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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:54 PM

AFTER 157 DEATHS, TRUMP RESPONSE WAS "MISLEADING AND LACKED CONTEXT"

Ethiopian Airlines Crash Updates: E.U.’s Biggest Economies Ban Boeing Max 8 Jets; Trump Says Planes Are Too Complex

• The European Union’s three biggest economies — Germany, Britain and France — joined Ireland, Australia, Singapore, Malaysia and Oman in banning all Boeing 737 Max 8 planes from their airspaces on Tuesday. The decisions came two days after 157 people were killed on a Max 8 during a flight from Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, to Nairobi, Kenya, and could cause considerable disruption to global air travel.

• At least 27 airlines have now grounded the Max 8, which has crashed twice in five months. Roughly half of the Max 8 planes in operation are now idled.

• Pressure escalated inside the United States for a grounding of the Max 8, despite the Federal Aviation Administration’s declaration that the plane was considered safe. The union representing flight attendants at American Airlines, a heavy Max 8 user, urged management to “strongly consider grounding these planes until a thorough investigation can be performed.” Senators on opposite sides of the aisle, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Mitt Romney of Utah, also urged a grounding.

• President Trump, weighing in for the first time, posted Twitter messages deploring what he described as the technological complexities of commercial aircraft. “Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT,” Mr. Trump said. Much of what he asserted, however, was misleading or lacked context, aviation experts said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/world/africa/boeing-ethiopian-airlines-plane-crash.html

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Reply AFTER 157 DEATHS, TRUMP RESPONSE WAS "MISLEADING AND LACKED CONTEXT" (Original post)
real Cannabis calm Tuesday OP
Maru Kitteh Tuesday #1
Kitchari Tuesday #2
ProfessorGAC Tuesday #9
gratuitous Tuesday #3
malaise Tuesday #4
real Cannabis calm Tuesday #5
gratuitous Tuesday #6
real Cannabis calm Tuesday #8
gratuitous Tuesday #10
CatWoman Tuesday #7
real Cannabis calm Wednesday #11
CatWoman Wednesday #14
Vinca Wednesday #12
real Cannabis calm Wednesday #15
spanone Wednesday #13

Response to real Cannabis calm (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 02:01 PM

1. He doesn't understand it, so therefore there is something wrong with it.

Because it is always about him. Always. That is the first and only rule of Trump.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 02:14 PM

2. Exactly

He doesn't understand it, but he thinks he does, therefore he proffers his useless opinion. "Pilots aren't needed"--HA! Tell that to Sully Sullenberger

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 08:12 PM

9. If That's The Standard...

...there is something wrong with every thing!
He understands nothing!

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Response to real Cannabis calm (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:33 PM

3. "Misleading or lacked context"

Hey, NYT! Why not say that Trump's response lacked humanity or compassion? Call it the unfocused ranting of an old man who doesn't grasp the problem? Plane crash! Trump confused and enraged! Trump SMASH, grrrr!

Why in the world does the Times need "aviation experts" to point out that what Trump said was 100% Nonsense?

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:37 PM

4. +1,000

His response was 100% absolute fuckery!!

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:21 PM

5. Do you see a similar lack of "compassion" to much larger, more deadly catastrophe?

Trump Calls Storm Response in Puerto Rico, Where 3,000 Died, ‘One of the Best’

He noted that the United States military sent a “tremendous military hospital in the form of a ship” to the island. That ship, however, was largely underused. Prepared to support 250 hospital beds, it admitted an average of only six patients per day, or 290 in total, over its 53-day deployment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/us/trump-puerto-rico-maria-response.html

And to answer your question, reliable media requires quotes and expert opinions to verify the reports or they cannot call it news. Although I am retired, I spent most of my career in media.

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Response to real Cannabis calm (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:23 PM

6. Media reliance on expert opinion is a self-imposed straightjacket

The Times may need unidentified aviation experts to contradict Trump's uninformed opinion about the complexity of flying an airplane. But no such expert opinion or outside quote is required to call Trump's unhinged tweet unhinged. That's an objective observation based directly on his unhinged tweet. The media have ceded their responsibility to report facts due to conservative squawks of media bias, whether those squawks are warranted or not. I would go so far as to call that concession by the media "craven," and feel I'm on solid, objective ground in doing so.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 08:07 PM

8. Do you also consider "expert opinion" in court-rooms a self-imposed straight-jacket?

Judges, juries and lawyers consider "expert opinions" as reliable evidence.

Without direct quotes or expert opinions, from sources, not associated with a particular news media, a story is nothing more than a writer's personal opinion, which also appears in newspapers, as editorials.

Professional criticisms of the news article include, burying the lead, which I featured in the headline seen by readers of Democratic Underground.

Also, Trump viciously attacks actual media because many sources report facts on his High Crimes and Treason. I wish news media was not owned or manipulated through advertising support by large corporations that are enjoying enormous tax cuts.

Especially television, and including online media has essentially become an "Opiate of the Masses" because it dramatically reduces the possibility of citizens exercising their right to peaceful protests against having criminals in Congress and the White House.

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Response to real Cannabis calm (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:28 PM

10. In this hand I have an orange

In the other hand I have a hubcap.

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Response to real Cannabis calm (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:04 PM

7. and earlier (in October) a Max 8 flying out of Indonesia fell into the ocean

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:55 AM

11. Last night on PBS News, the reporter said:

While over thirty nations had grounded the passenger aircraft, the USA and Trump still claims the aircraft is safe enough to carry passengers.

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Response to real Cannabis calm (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:49 AM

14. Icertainly wouldn't get on one of those planes

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Response to real Cannabis calm (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:57 AM

12. He's a blubbering idiot. Imagine Sarah's tap dancing act if one happens to crash here.

As it is, the Trump shutdown is directly responsible for the delay in the fix to the aircraft.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:54 AM

15. On the topic of the recent, partial government shutdown, I have questions...

Although DHS related agencies (especially the entire US Coast Guard, which saves sinking passenger vessels and prevents a massive amount of dangerous drug-smuggling) were supposedly the target of the recent "Nuclear Option;" why did FBI and IRS agents also miss their checks for two weeks?

Who thinks that these shutdowns caused all of the agencies to lose highly qualified recruits to private industry?

Instead of a ripple effect, didn't the recent shutdown have more of a Tsunami Effect on the entire economy?

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Response to real Cannabis calm (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:24 AM

13. he's proud of his ignorance.

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