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Spoiler Alert: I have all the good stuff :-) (Original Post) Soph0571 Mar 2019 OP
This ↑↑ - plus Elon Musk plans on world wide, fast internet satellites OxQQme Mar 2019 #1
Yes, although not fooled Mar 2019 #9
Being able to massively jam satellite signals Duppers Mar 2019 #25
I think the way the censorship will be exerted not fooled Mar 2019 #26
Be afraid, be very afraid Charlie G Mar 2019 #19
Speak for yourself Farmer-Rick Mar 2019 #44
Underlying philosophy of the growing up internet connected next gen politicians? irisblue Mar 2019 #2
So how did we end up electing Trump? yardwork Mar 2019 #3
Majority in deathly fear of becoming the minority. Iggo Mar 2019 #11
THIS! And let's not even mention the hard right wing shift in Europe. Kind of Blue Mar 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2019 #17
Exactly, no excuse whatsoever. Kind of Blue Mar 2019 #22
Because they cheated. End of story. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #23
Hillary was pre-scandaled... sfwriter Mar 2019 #28
Too many Dems decided to "send a message" by staying home Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #45
We didn't, Traitor was installed by Putin. I'm certain the votes were hacked Arazi Mar 2019 #47
"us pesky liberal European, Canadian, Australian and New Zealand elites luvtheGWN Mar 2019 #4
Ha! Very good point Soph0571 Mar 2019 #10
The retirement age in the UK Scarsdale Mar 2019 #5
It's all a matter of priorities how we spend our tax dollars. watoos Mar 2019 #6
Absolutely. Where we put it PLUS how we have excessive conflicts of interests in contracting PLUS JudyM Mar 2019 #15
Fortunately, the Dem-controlled House is very unlikely to give Trump much of what he wants. nt spooky3 Mar 2019 #18
I think you need a bit more emphasis on that statement A HERETIC I AM Mar 2019 #20
I bet NFL helmets are cheaper yuiyoshida Mar 2019 #39
Vacation in Spain ? rickford66 Mar 2019 #7
Very true Myrddin Mar 2019 #40
Trumpers. They're everywhere. rickford66 Mar 2019 #41
Isn't this pathetic? In our own country, when I travel to Chicago from STLMO or etc., the hotel ... SWBTATTReg Mar 2019 #8
I Know this Because I am First Generation fascisthunter Mar 2019 #13
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #14
Joe as much as we are a basket case cause of Brexit Soph0571 Mar 2019 #32
Thanks for sharing Soph. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #34
Excellent thread, thanks yonder Mar 2019 #16
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2019 #21
Soshalism is just godless communism moondust Mar 2019 #24
In Australiua teachers get paid for summer holidays and other public holidays BSdetect Mar 2019 #27
Yeah, I worked for 2naSalit Mar 2019 #29
how come I can't rec this 100 times? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2019 #30
So true homegirl Mar 2019 #31
+well yea but we have to service the capitalist propaganda in 'merica jimlup Mar 2019 #33
The conservative response: "Oh, sure, but THAT wouldn't work HERE." Beartracks Mar 2019 #35
Jobs are more flexible for moms with young kids here in England iwillalwayswonderwhy Mar 2019 #36
SOCIALISMMMMMMMMMM! tclambert Mar 2019 #37
We were also told we needed to go to war when we didn't and... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #38
the opening question of 'what church do you go to' is exactly right! My dtr spent 10 yrs in samnsara Mar 2019 #42
INCOMPLETE message Pobeka Mar 2019 #43
FWIW, certain politicians HAVE tried to pass Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #46

not fooled

(5,790 posts)
9. Yes, although
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 12:50 PM
Mar 2019

Governments of individual countries will still be able to erect gateways to restrict what their population receives from the satellite networks.

Big Tech will continue to work hand-in-hand with authoritarian states.


Duppers

(28,088 posts)
25. Being able to massively jam satellite signals
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 03:49 PM
Mar 2019

is very scary. Could be used in a weapon-like fashion between countries? Researching this info now.

Thank you.

not fooled

(5,790 posts)
26. I think the way the censorship will be exerted
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 04:02 PM
Mar 2019

is that the satellite signals would be received by gateway earth stations, the control points which would then pass along only approved content within a specific country.

Of course there presumably could be jamming also, for hostile purposes.

 

Charlie G

(32 posts)
19. Be afraid, be very afraid
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 01:49 PM
Mar 2019

Do not let Trump and the RW pin the label Socialist on us. We are not Socialist, or very few of us are. We do not believe workers should own the means of production, to the exclusion of capital investment. We are Social Security Democrats who believe the government has the duty to look out for the welfare of it citizens and give them security in their life, like medical care when they are sick and the education needed for a job.

Farmer-Rick

(10,034 posts)
44. Speak for yourself
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:57 AM
Mar 2019

Socialism sound so much better than capitalism. Just looking at the basic description of both makes me think capitalism is so 16th century. I'm not a socialist because there are so many other evolving economic systems out there that I haven't made a decision on what system is best. But capitalism is better only in comparison to slavery, feudalism, dictatorships and totalitarian regimes like China and Soviet Russia.

I do believe workers should own the means of production. I certainly think workers could do a better job than the capitalist who are running things now. Workers certainly couldn't do a worse job than capitalist.

irisblue

(32,794 posts)
2. Underlying philosophy of the growing up internet connected next gen politicians?
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 11:37 AM
Mar 2019

Sure is looking like threads weaving together

Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #12)

 

sfwriter

(3,032 posts)
28. Hillary was pre-scandaled...
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 05:02 PM
Mar 2019

...they had vilified her for years. It doesn't have to be true if you can get the FBI Director to mention it 8 days out.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
4. "us pesky liberal European, Canadian, Australian and New Zealand elites
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 11:58 AM
Mar 2019

and our socialist give-away agenda."

There, FIFY!

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
5. The retirement age in the UK
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 12:00 PM
Mar 2019

is 60. Citizens then can claim their "Old Age Pension". I am British. When I applied for SS at 62, I was told I had to declare my pension from the UK. I had not worked in the UK for many, many years. The officer at the SS office said he would check it all out. I received back pay of my pension for the two years since I had turned 60, plus receive a pension every month since! I worked full time in the UK from the age of 16 until 21.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
6. It's all a matter of priorities how we spend our tax dollars.
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 12:07 PM
Mar 2019

The military is upset that we are down to 12 aircraft carriers, the rest of the world has 3.

Trump is planning on putting more military spending in the budget.

It's a matter of priorities. Read or listen to Ike's farewell speech and Ike was a Republican.

JudyM

(29,105 posts)
15. Absolutely. Where we put it PLUS how we have excessive conflicts of interests in contracting PLUS
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 01:35 PM
Mar 2019

chronic widespread excessive wasteful spending that isn’t controlled at all. We need to spend money on widespread audits and outlaw conflicts of interest in all government spending.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,307 posts)
20. I think you need a bit more emphasis on that statement
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 01:58 PM
Mar 2019

You said;

The military is upset that we are down to 12 aircraft carriers, the rest of the world has 3.



Allow me, if you would be so kind;


The military is upset that we are down to 12 aircraft carriers, WHILE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CARRIERS IN ALL THE REST OF THE ENTIRE WORLDS NAVIES Is 3


THREE!


We can't have nice things because the military orders aircraft that have systems requiring pilots to have helmets that cost $400,000 a piece.

You read that right. FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND FUCKING DOLLARS A PIECE FOR A GOD DAMNED HELMET!


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/26/f-35-helmet-costs-400000-4-times-predecessor/74650574/

Now to be clear, as some of my past threads might seem a bit contradictory (my "Aviation Enthusiasts" threads for example), I am an enthusiast of all things aviation. Planes are cool. What I am NOT a fan of is the absurd wastefulness of the United States Defense Department and it's insatiable appetite for money.

yuiyoshida

(41,736 posts)
39. I bet NFL helmets are cheaper
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 11:44 PM
Mar 2019

Especially the ones with ear phones installed so the quarterback can hear from the coach in the huddle.

rickford66

(5,491 posts)
7. Vacation in Spain ?
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 12:15 PM
Mar 2019

Back in the 80's,I was doing some work in the UK. One of the British engineers went to Spain for two weeks. I was told it was cheaper to go there than to stay at home. True or not, it didn't sound too socialist to me. It sounded humane.

Myrddin

(327 posts)
40. Very true
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 12:45 AM
Mar 2019

As a Brit who has spent many years working as an expat; when I have needed to visit the UK, I've always been aggravated that for the cost of a flea-pit Brit hotel (way outside of London), I could have had a decent hotel just about anywhere in Europe, save the major capital cities.

Many Brit pensioners chose to relocate to Spain, where their pension would go much further. Inexplicably, some of those pensioners voted for fu(#ing Brexit??

Hope they enjoy the astronomic heating bills and housing costs they voted for.

rickford66

(5,491 posts)
41. Trumpers. They're everywhere.
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:24 AM
Mar 2019

My late wife was British and grew up in NZ. We always thought if things got bad here we'd either go back to NZ or move to Canada or England. Her second to last passport didn't include the right of residency in Britain. So I imagine we'd have to apply for it. I see now US citizens need visas or permits to travel. In 88, I needed a visa to go from England to France for a long weekend. Had to spend a whole day in London to get it. These Worldwide Trumpers are retreating into their forts and the future will be more like the past.

SWBTATTReg

(21,811 posts)
8. Isn't this pathetic? In our own country, when I travel to Chicago from STLMO or etc., the hotel ...
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 12:21 PM
Mar 2019

rooms (and not just in Chicago too, but seemingly everywhere) are at least $500 a night it seems like, and trips that you see on Wheel of Fortune seem to start at $5000-$6000 on up. Where has America gone? Has predatory capitalism ruined it all for us? You can only squeeze a turnip so much...

Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
32. Joe as much as we are a basket case cause of Brexit
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 06:44 PM
Mar 2019

Some things are undeniable. A couple of years ago I had a very inconvenient stomach ulcer. I did not know this until it burst and I started vomiting blood. To be fair I ignored the symptoms for a wee while. My SO phoned for an ambulance. It was there at my home in 15 minutes. I was in the emergency room for about 3 hours. I was admitted, I spent 3 days in the hospital and then insisted I needed to be discharged because we had a general election that day and I was going to vote. I went back the next day for further tests. I have been back 4 times in the last couple of years, to manage my ulcer (finally ulcer free, yay!). COST? ZERO. I pay my tax (more than the average) and when I need it.... I told you I was ill...

BSdetect

(8,988 posts)
27. In Australiua teachers get paid for summer holidays and other public holidays
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 04:55 PM
Mar 2019

and get 6 months paid long service leave after 15 years. Or thay can take 12 months on half pay.

Unemployment rate was about 5% during the last US banking crisis / stock market plunge.

And health care for all.

2naSalit

(85,639 posts)
29. Yeah, I worked for
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 05:11 PM
Mar 2019

over fifty years, worked my body to ruin and I have had a grand total of two vacations in my entire life where I received pay during the time of vacation. And one of my employers fired me for taking my vacation after three years, one lousy week and all did was go get my furniture from a storage in another state.

Capitalism, fuck it.

Beartracks

(12,754 posts)
35. The conservative response: "Oh, sure, but THAT wouldn't work HERE."
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 09:12 PM
Mar 2019

Wouldn't work for WHOM??

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iwillalwayswonderwhy

(2,598 posts)
36. Jobs are more flexible for moms with young kids here in England
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 09:29 PM
Mar 2019

My daughter in law gets time off whenever school is out. Now mind you, she doesn’t get paid as much as a full time worker. But when the school day ends, she goes home. If schools are out for a week, she’s off. When her son gets older she can switch to full time. It amazes me. I’ve only been in England for 2 years and I’m continuously surprised.

2 weeks ago, my husband injured his back and couldn’t drive himself to the doctor. My vision is too weak for driving. We called his doctor, who at the end of his workday, made a housecall. He checked my husband, wrote two prescriptions, which I filled at the pharmacy two blocks away. Not our regular pharmacy but I explained the situation, had the medication in hand in 5 minutes. Cost was zero.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,480 posts)
38. We were also told we needed to go to war when we didn't and...
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 11:23 PM
Mar 2019

then we read that doing so killed or displaced millions, laid entire cities into rubble and cost our economy trillions.

........ ...........

samnsara

(17,554 posts)
42. the opening question of 'what church do you go to' is exactly right! My dtr spent 10 yrs in
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:14 AM
Mar 2019

..Tennessee and when she moved back to the Pacific Northwest she said the first thing she noticed was the opening question here was 'What college did you attend?'

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
43. INCOMPLETE message
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:18 AM
Mar 2019

The easy rebuttal to this is those people pay so much in taxes! And americans instantly run away from the idea...

The message has to be -- citizens in those countries enjoy a higher standard of health care for less cost in in premiums because they are willing to pay the government a lower premium via taxes versus USA paying higher premiums to private for-profit health care.

Most of these items on the list fall into that category -- not only do you get better service, but it's cheaper. Americans just need to wake up and see taxes aren't a bad thing, taxes can provide a high standard of service for many things that private companies could never compete with.

I support many of these things because I am a financial conservative -- it's cheaper for me, and cheaper for society as a whole. I'd much rather have extra $$ left over to spend on other things.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
46. FWIW, certain politicians HAVE tried to pass
Mon Mar 11, 2019, 10:22 AM
Mar 2019

many of the programs he's talking about, but they have usually been roadblocked by the GOP

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