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Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:13 PM

Omar Has Opinions. Get Used To It.

I don't care what the media has to say. I read these quotes. I am not in agreement. So what? Omar didn't sign some pledge that requires her to think like me. I think she is misinformed to a degree, but that does not make me more important. I am proud of my association with the Obama era. I believe there are more than a few things she is off base about.

That is disagreement. That's it. The way the press would is presenting it is something akin to a disciple spitting on their religious savior. That is spin. Spin is poison to a free country. Now disagreement? That is something we used to use as an ingredient for self-governance.

I don't know what goes on obviously, and I am not saying Barack is or was perfect, but this freshman rep is not likely to have any understanding of the inner workings or agendas of the Chiefs. But this I believe-Barack Obama did not lie with a straight face to enter us into an unwinnable war with no foreseeable conclusion and endless sacrifice, or completely destabilize the region by handing Syria to Russia.

So on this continuum of rage, the letters W and DJT should in this case, precede B and O. That said we do need to have a real conversation about a recalibration of our military approach and a reassessment of this commitment to manifest destiny the USA seems to be addicted to. Understand this-that is something that one could hypothetically express to someone over a friendly lunch. No rage. Just points of view.

I don't in any way shape or form take kindly to comparing Trump and Barack. That is the reality. There is a way of responding to that without giving an appearance of disarray however.

We must stay focused and I must say the media is making a concerted effort to divide us, and it seems only us.

In an world where people of color and the LGBT community is no longer low hanging fruit for the right wing, we can count on them to use Islam as a cudgel. Like another DU member said, (apologies for not remembering it is on a now blocked post) it will always be something, don't you see? If it isn't real, they will just make something up, some TV corporoslut will point out something AOC said, or Omar, or dredge up Lewisnsky and look at the camera to tell you with a straight fucking face that multiple felonies and an indiscreet sexual favor are "both sides behaving badly."

Cutting healthcare for millions while complaining about Amazon's lack of tax burden is "both sides being out of touch."

That in mind, whether we love Omar, or AOC, or not, is also not relevant. What is is that we are remember what the media is and that whores are gonna whore. So us constantly bickering over these freshmen is nothing more than than driving up on the political street corner and asking how much.

We have been fucked enough already-we don't need to do it to ourselves.

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Reply Omar Has Opinions. Get Used To It. (Original post)
Stare Decisis Mar 8 OP
jberryhill Mar 8 #1
allgood33 Mar 8 #2
wellst0nev0ter Mar 9 #109
allgood33 Mar 9 #112
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 8 #3
leftynyc Mar 8 #15
BannonsLiver Mar 8 #19
Kurt V. Mar 8 #66
John Fante Mar 9 #107
Kurt V. Mar 9 #108
John Fante Mar 9 #110
Lotusflower70 Mar 9 #102
malachi Mar 8 #54
still_one Mar 8 #76
Lotusflower70 Mar 9 #103
ZeroSomeBrains Mar 8 #63
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 8 #4
Stare Decisis Mar 8 #6
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 8 #9
Scruffy1 Mar 8 #60
PatrickforO Mar 8 #85
treestar Mar 8 #7
melman Mar 8 #10
George II Mar 8 #24
melman Mar 8 #30
George II Mar 8 #32
melman Mar 8 #33
Cha Mar 8 #37
George II Mar 8 #44
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Kurt V. Mar 8 #59
Cha Mar 8 #87
Mosby Mar 8 #61
brush Mar 8 #65
Cha Mar 8 #35
onenote Mar 8 #43
uponit7771 Mar 8 #67
lapucelle Mar 8 #73
still_one Mar 8 #77
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FrankBooth Mar 8 #5
Stare Decisis Mar 8 #8
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47of74 Mar 8 #82
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pnwmom Mar 8 #13
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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:19 PM

1. That's the power of the internet outrage machine training


If DU was, collectively, a person, it would be a person with borderline personality disorder.

You are my best friend or my worst enemy.

Anything, anything at all, is either wonderful or horrible.

If your opinion differs from my opinion it is because you are dishonest, a paid troll, or simply morally bankrupt.

It can't be that many things are a mixed bag or complex. You must totally agree or totally disagree with whatever is the current mood.

This seems to have picked up in the last couple of weeks, more so than depressingly usual.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:20 PM

2. I don't have to agree with her, but i want to hear what she has to say. I want to see how she votes

on legislation. If 35% of the voting population can support a scumbag like Trump...

What she said about Obama and drones and immigration is not untrue. I was disappointed in him for those actions too. But no one should ever equate Obama to Trump. Omar is not familiar with the cultural innuendo of our language so I give her the benefit of the doubt. I adore Obama but not all of his war actions. I adored Bill clinton too bu really did not agree with some of his policies with respect to welfare and crime. No one is going to be perfect in the job of President. But no one but Trump is a scumbag as President.

Speak your truth Omar...and we will speak ours.

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Response to allgood33 (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 09:55 PM

109. Obama should not get a pass

for cruel policies just because Trump is worse. That is what she is saying.

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Response to wellst0nev0ter (Reply #109)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 10:31 PM

112. Yes. i adore Obama and Carter. Both were the most decent men to occupy the WH in my lifetime.

Both made mistakes. Both carried out some action with which I did not agree. They were not perfect, nor should we pretend that they were. I only get angry when others lie about them, not when they are criticized...no matter the language.dkkkdk

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:22 PM

3. Love Omar... criticizing women with strong opinions is nothing new.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:54 PM

15. When she compares Pres Obama to

degenerate donnie and calls Pres Obama a pretty face, she deserves whatever blow back she gets. That's not a strong opinion. That's bullshit

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:59 PM

19. Some folks are cool with that, apparently.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:13 PM

66. how is that not a strong opinion. bc she hates war....?

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #66)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 07:37 PM

107. It wasn't a strong opinion, it was a moronic one.

One she tried to backpedal from on Twitter, to no avail.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #107)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 08:20 PM

108. to no avail is only your (and many tweeters) opinion. that doesn't make it fact.

She has many backers for many reasons.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #108)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 09:59 PM

110. She has backers? Whoopity doo. So does Jill Stein.

Trumpism must be destroyed in 2020, simple as that. The last fucking thing we need is this bothsideism shit from our own representatives. Equating Obama to Trump is appalling on countless levels.

I will gladly donate to the Democrat who primaries her.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 06:05 PM

102. I know right

I am definitely not cool with that. It's incredibly insulting.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:57 PM

54. Good chrst! Are you kidding. Women can't be criticized

when they say some really offensive shit. Give me a break.

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Response to malachi (Reply #54)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:42 PM

76. excellent observation

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Response to malachi (Reply #54)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 06:10 PM

103. Agree 100%

I call bullshit on this one. She is wrong. Hopefully she gets a clue and learns from it. As a woman, I will critique women as well as men in politics. I am not talking about looks, age, what she wears, etc but I am talking about the issues.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:10 PM

63. I agree

I didn't see anything she said as offensive. I think it's anti-semetic that people think all Jewish Americans are unanimous in their disagreement with what she said. It's the only group that people are allowed to make a blanket statement about when some faction within the Jewish community speak their mind. Strong islamic women who speak out against what Israel is doing are rare especially in Congress.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:24 PM

4. The cult of personality developing around Obama on here is, frankly, alarming.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:31 PM

6. I don't think the country moves forward

unless we can honestly assess ourselves and our leaders. Barack Obama is not perfect. He honestly was not even very liberal. He governed with a cautious approach however it suited us at that time. But it can't be all or nothing. We can't find perfect or even close, so at the least we must be able to come up with respectable. On that count, there is no comparison between Trump and Barack.

As far as the cult of personality, that always existed with his followers. There is a nostalgia for that era so that will exacerbate it.

This is my concern with Beto-there has to be a logical reason to support him, policy wise, he is basically Obama. Yes charisma is awesome, but we need the Overton window shifted. Yesterday.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:37 PM

9. Very well said.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:08 PM

60. Spot on.

IMHO he is a very good man, with limitations like everyone else. We'll never know what could have been done if the Obama Care roll out disaster hadn't happened. It was a fiasco but not really as much his fault as critters like Baucus with enlarged ego syndrome.They should have studied their history better and learn to strike quick before the enemy could organize. I am old enough to know how Civil rights and Medicare were passed. That led to the electoral debacle of 2010. with a Republican controlled legislature he was handcuffed.
We really need to be honest about ourselves and look at our failures to learn from them. I have no problems with Ilhan and many in her district agree with her comments. I live here and have quite a few Somali, Palestinian and Jewish friends. None of them has any problems with her comments. The African American population is on her side Ill wager forty acres of black bottom land she will get reelected.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:44 PM

85. Agreed.

Trump can't hold a candle to Obama. But Obama was not perfect. Definitely a bit to my right. Yet, he was who was needed. The country was sliding to an economic abyss and we needed some good old-fashioned Keynesian economics to get us out of it. That's what we got, along with the ACA.

Now, I think Obama was the best president in my lifetime (I'm 60) by virtue of the scope and magnitude of his accomplishments.

How old is Omar, maybe 20-something? She's in a whole different generation, a generation that has never enjoyed the opportunity we boomers had. 44 million people are slaves to student debt. These kids can barely afford a car and an apartment. There's nothing, nothing good - they had their friends blown away in the forever war, they have been exploited every which way but loose, and they have seen old white greed-heads pollute this world until it is almost too late to ensure its continued habitability.

Omar's comments remind me of the old movie Cross of Iron, with James Coburn as Rolf Steiner. They are on the Russian front. It is 1943, the beginning of the end as the Germans were forced to retreat across the Taman Peninsula towards the Crimea, which was itself in the process of being surrounded.

Rolf leads a rag-tag platoon and he's in the Colonel's dugout. The Colonel tells him, "I'm getting tired of getting you out of trouble with other officers," and Steiner replies, "I never asked you to."

This infuriates the Colonel, who tells Steiner to 'get out!'

On the way out, the adjutant asks Steiner why he is so ungrateful, and Steiner looked at him unbelievingly and replied, "WHAT do I have to be grateful FOR?"

Same thing with Omar and the whole Millennial generation. As I say, they have been screwed every which way but loose in this capitalist utopia of ours.

So, just a warning, I guess - when these kids get their voice, and they ARE getting their voice, we shouldn't insist on liking what they have to say, because we've left them a world that is much worse, less forgiving and more tilted against them than the one we found.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:34 PM

7. not agreeing with the idea of him as a polished Trump

is hardly a cult of personality, let alone an alarming one.

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Response to treestar (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:40 PM

10. She didn't say he was a polished Trump

That's the other thing that always happens here. Things get distorted into the worst possible version for max. outrage.

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Response to melman (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:13 PM

24. Among other things, she said Obama had the same policies but they were more polished. Plus...

She said, in reference to Obama, she doesn't "want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished."
She spoke of Obama's "caging of kids" at the border.
She spoke of the "hope and change" offered by Obama being a mirage.

Spin it any way you want.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1Ir0X-WkAA963I?format=jpg

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Response to George II (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:19 PM

30. "Spin it any way you want. "

Accuracy isn't spinning. Nowhere does she say the words "Obama was a polished Trump"

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Response to melman (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:24 PM

32. Yes, spin it any way you want.

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Response to George II (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:26 PM

33. I'm not spinning anything

Truth and accuracy are important. That's not spinning.

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Response to George II (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:50 PM

37. Rep. Omar says Obama was a more polished version of Trump, and suggests -- incorrectly -- that Obama j



"They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011


What "media" does she consume?

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Response to Cha (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:07 PM

44. Children were NEVER jailed nor was there "caging of children".

Comparing one of the best presidents in our lifetimes with the worst in our history is uncalled for. Period!

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Response to George II (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:24 PM

48. It's a travesty.. Omar owes Pres Obama a huge apology.

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Response to Cha (Reply #48)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:08 PM

59. That's probably not going to happen. i was never ok with Obama's

drone program.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #59)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:58 PM

87. I understand that and neither was I, but

Omar is not being truthful here.. and she owes President Obama an apology.


"They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011

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Response to George II (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:13 PM

65. Makes you wonder whose side is she on.

She's got a lot to learn. Attack repugs not Democrats. How fucking hard is that? She gained a high profile platform but if she keeps this up attacking and alienating those on her side, she won't last long to do what her voters sent her to DC to do.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:44 PM

35. Now you're just insulting members who

object to her trying to smear President Obama with the maniac trump.


"They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011




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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:03 PM

43. I would say the same thing about the cult of personality developing around Omar.

Obama put up with a lot of bullshit from Republicans, in case you don't remember. I for one don't need to see bullshit from Democrats aimed at him (such as denigrating him as a pretty face version of Trump.

If someone can't comprehend the fundamental difference between Barack Obama and Donald Trump, that person has no business being a Democratic member of Congress.

That being said, she's inexperienced and, to some degree, unprepared for the attention that she is getting. So I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope she figures out that she doesn't have to say everything that comes into her head -- and that she'll be a more effective politician, building alliances, working as part of a team, once she learns that.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:14 PM

67. This, too, was said last primary

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:34 PM

73. What cult of personality? N/T

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:45 PM

77. hmmm, The cult of personality developing around Omar on her is, frankly, alarming

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 10:01 PM

111. So you also believe he's just a well-dressed version of Trump?

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:26 PM

5. She's not doing herself or the party any favors

hey, she's a 37 year old woman, not a child.  She is entitled to her opinions, and the Dem brass is entitled to judge if her methods of opining are worthy of party support.  So far I think she's been reckless and immature, and I hope she can turn it around. Offering up fodder for the GOP is not smart and shouldn't be tolerated by party brass IMHO.

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Response to FrankBooth (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:36 PM

8. Anything can be fodder.

Dijon mustard can be fodder. We probably need to adopt their "So what?" approach. I remember once I broke a window playing ball. I was so upset. The neighbor was cool-he said mow his lawn a few times, call it even. But I was apoplectic. In fact I was so ashamed I quit baseball. I was more worried about it than anybody. So I didn't play. The guy whose window I broke was chill-my point is we tie ourselves up worrying about how "they" will respond. And so we treat a political broken window like somehow politically "torching" the place.

And quit playing. And they win.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:40 PM

11. Respectfully disagree.

Will be interesting to see what the Dem brass does about it, if anything.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:01 PM

21. +1. Welcome to DU. Well put.

Nice to meet you.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:32 PM

51. The GOP even used the color of Obama's suit as fodder, they should never be taken serious

and their warped opinions never count.

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Response to FrankBooth (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:43 PM

12. That's what I think. She is not ready for prime time.

Of course a Muslim woman is going to have a target on her back. She needs to learn how to protect herself and deal with it. AOC also has a target on her back but she is much better at handling it. She should give Omar some pointers.

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Response to FrankBooth (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:28 PM

82. the dem brass throws people under the bus all the fucking time

They're so goddamn afraid of what the GOP will say they betray the members

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Response to 47of74 (Reply #82)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 10:58 PM

88. Bullshit! There not afraid of what Republicans will say.

They are rightly concerned about how the majority of voters will respond. That’s their only concern.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:45 PM

13. And if she keeps this up, someone may start to primary her a year from now. Get used to it. n/t

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:51 PM

14. Yes, she has opinions.

I voted for Omar. But I don't remember her sharing these opinions when she was running for office. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. But I am now. I've always ben sorry that Ellison ran for the SOS instead of staying put.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:58 PM

16. Do we need more of this:



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Response to dalton99a (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:54 PM

38. Thanks for this, dalton.. I am PISSED!




"They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011


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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:59 PM

17. I refuse to be a human pinball for the right's use to divide us.

Thanks for your post.

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Response to mahina (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:02 PM

57. Did they right force her to say incredibly dumb shit?

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Response to malachi (Reply #57)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 07:32 PM

106. Really! Lying about Pres Obama has nothing to do with

the fascist wing.. except their lapping it up.

Omar deleted her "dumb shit opinion".. That's what she thought of it.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:59 PM

18. Yeah, if her opinion is...

 

.... that Obama got away with murder, she can GTFO.

Disagreeing about policy is one thing. Accusing him of murder, however, is beyond the pale.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:02 PM

22. Get used to the pushback.

She’s not above criticism either. And she’s about to get a boatload of it. And it’s well deserved, too.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:14 PM

25. Did you take a poll?

I didn't get my ballot.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:15 PM

26. Did you?

I've been on DU long enough to know this place usually doesn't march lock step to any one DUer telling it what to do.

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Response to kcr (Reply #26)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:16 PM

27. I didn't try to speak for most of DU. /nt

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:16 PM

28. But you're ok with the OP, who did.

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Response to kcr (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:21 PM

31. I don't see where the OP...

is claiming to speak for anyone except themselves. In your post, #23, you said Most of DU doesn't care what you think. Get used to it. I merely wanted to know the basis for you being spokesperson for most of DU.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:19 PM

29. I'm fine with her.

I don't agree with all she said, nor do I agree with all Obama nor any candidate says. Big deal.
The media works to divide us. DON"T FALL FOR IT.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:28 PM

34. Too late, unfortunately.

There are posts calling her a fake Democrat, for fuck's sake.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:56 PM

40. Indeed. See post 39

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:55 PM

39. I wonder how some who seemed to love her "opinion" so much will like this one?

Going to make it hard to get used to


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Response to kcr (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:12 PM

64. Thank you for posting this.

It gets scary sound here sometimes.

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Response to kcr (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:13 PM

90. The tweet was scrubbed... what did it say?

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:57 PM

41. Omar Coming!

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:02 PM

42. Many missed my point.

I am not attempting to tell anybody what to do or think. My point is get used to the fact this young woman has opinions. She isn't going to stop having them. She isn't going to bow down to any factions or crater to any media.

You don't have to like them, her, me, the blue sky, anything. BUT-for every ounce of breath we waste on this, which is a disagreement about one person, however vaunted, we have this much less attention being given to say, Senator Warren, who just proposed something pretty awesome.

But I am NOT going to tell you what she proposed, because if you don't know already, but you are tied up with this, then you are DEMOCRATING wrong.

And look it up.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:08 PM

45. I'm not asking her bow down to factions or crater to any media

I'm simply hoping she wises up and figures out that making outlandish headline grabbing statements (and if she didn't know that's what she was doing she would be hopeless naïve and I don't think she is) she undermines her effectiveness. Being the outspoken renegade may get her attention, but it isn't going to make people want to work with her.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:13 PM

46. You're not going to tell us what to do or think

But feel free to tell us we're DEMOCRATING WRONG!

But what do you make of this? Which opinion is it? I want to be sure I'm DEMOCRATING THE RIGHT WAY!


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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:22 PM

47. If her opinions are anti semetic get used to

Her going criticized for them. Same if she attacks other Democrats.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:27 PM

49. I will never "get used to" ANYONE saying that Obama was "get(ing) away with murder"!

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:30 PM

50. I hope she doesn't tarnish the Democratic party.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:39 PM

52. She needs to get it together

Im just about sick of her. The anti-semetic accusations were pure bs but she needs to understand that there is only one goal right now. Defeat trump at all cost. Fracturing her own party is not helping. Debates can be had as soon as the troll and his republican enablers are gone.

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Response to keepFocused06 (Reply #52)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:23 PM

92. Are you Jewish?

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Response to JudyM (Reply #92)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:44 PM

95. no

No I'm not. I just don't like her and think she's becoming a problem.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #92)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:50 PM

98. Why does being Jewish matter?

What a weird question.



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Response to Mosby (Reply #98)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:57 PM

100. Same reason a white person opining about whether something is racist matters. Or a guy about sexism.

This statement by the poster is, as we now know, “‘splainin”:
The anti-semetic (sic) accusations were pure bs

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:56 PM

53. Mouth in forward brain in nuetral?

My advice to her would be to think before she speaks! Unless she's going for the alt-right vote and the last time I checked they do not like people of color nor muslims.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:01 PM

55. I stand with Barack Obama.

I hold him in the same reverence as the martyred Kennedy brothers, Abraham Lincoln, and Dr. King and am not ashamed to say so.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:01 PM

56. Why'd she run as a Democrat and then proceed to bash Dems?

I don't get it. Obama strove mighttly to stay out of wars and did. If she's naive enough to think that no deaths are going to happen in any president's term she needs to go study some history. And the Palestinians, who she advocates for are responsible for deaths to in fightingfor their cause.

She's alenating people who are on her side. She won't last long in Congress doing that.

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Response to brush (Reply #56)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:05 PM

58. I have to censor myself from saying worse.

People of small intellect are totally unaware of the cross pressures Barack Obama labored under. His critics remind me of armchair generals and quarterbacks.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #58)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:39 PM

75. I know. She needs to study the history of what forces...

were arrayed against O from his first day. He stayed out of wars despite repeated calls to send troops here, send troops there. She was right about Abrams but her bashing of O and her less than artful critique of Netanyahu's right wing policy alienated Jewish voters and now she's alienated many African Americans.

Unfortunately she seems to talk first and have to apologize later.

It's not smart to go after your friends and I doubt she's making many in the Dem Black Caucus, those who look like her in Congress.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:09 PM

62. Circular firing squad. I get so fucking sick of it

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:15 PM

68. She shouldn't have called President Obama an empty suit.

She didn't use those exact words but if what she said was in the form of a SAT question asking what the author of the passage was trying to convey that would be the correct answer.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #68)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:04 PM

80. She has the right to say whatever the FUCK she wants to say

as long as she votes with the Democrats and votes for ME, I'm NOT going to pick her mind apart. I love President Obama, but he was NOT a perfect president. If anyone can't understand that, then it's their fault. If someone wants to point it out and is STILL a true blue Democrat, I will SUPPORT THEM.
Do what you want.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #80)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:26 PM

81. She shouldn't have suggested President Obama is an empty suit.

I am truly sorry that upsets you.




https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211902027




I would like to amend my comments:

I hold him in the same reverence as the martyred Kennedy brothers, Abraham Lincoln, Muhammad Ali, and Dr. King and am not ashamed to say so. He was the fundamentally most decent man to ever hold that office.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #81)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:36 PM

83. I agree with you, BUT

I am unwilling to throw her under the bus. Besides, I thought speaking badly about Democrats was discouraged here.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #83)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:43 PM

84. My friend...

There was a bit of hyperbole in my effusive praise for President Obama but beside being a great president he was a good guy. Suggesting he's an empty suit is hurtful to those of us who hold him in high regard. Ms. Omar should know how hard it is for a person of color to navigate the white man's world and President Obama was the leader of it. Sadly Ms. Omar is not alone in ignoring that fundamental truth.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #80)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:49 PM

97. Totally agree. We have to protect the right to different opinions.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:19 PM

69. Her takedown of Elliot Abrams was brilliant.

What the hell is he doing in politics again? Especially anything to do with South America.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:30 PM

70. I don't have to "get used to her". I don't like her, and I don't care for her divisive rhetoric,

but she isn't my representative. She represents those in her district in Minnesota. If they like her they will re-elect her, if they don't they will elect someone else

However, if she wants to engage in attacks on President Obama, and her other colleagues in Congress, inferring allegiance to other countries or dual loyalties, she is NOT going to get a free pass




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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:31 PM

71. Some Democrats disagree with and are even offended by her opinions. Get used to it. N/T

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:33 PM

72. So do the rest of us.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:38 PM

74. My thoughts

She is an anti semitic and anti Israel. Now she is attacking Obama with right wing talking points. I hope she is primaried. She is causing damage to dems. I will vote for dems but I won’t supprt them financially if they continue on of the path of defending her and people like her.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #74)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:58 PM

79. +1

I’d like to see a primary challenge. She’s revealed herself as someone unready for the big stage.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #79)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:56 PM

86. Hillary Clinton won her district by fifty five points. Let that sink in.

You or I could win it with all the important (D) after our name.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #74)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:34 PM

94. +1. She has a history of expressing antisemitic sentiments that she has been enlightened about

before, yet they continue to spew out of her.

Some don’t have any problem with this... racism against Jews is too subtle for them to see unless there’s physical violence involved. And even then... they find it’s excusable because of Israel.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #94)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:53 AM

113. +1 nt

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:54 PM

78. The reckoning has begun.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 11:16 PM

89. We have "Opinions" about her opinions.. Get Use To It.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:19 PM

91. I have opinions also so get use to it.....

I do not like Omar one little bit.

Never in my life has any democrat ever turned me off the way she does. Never. If this is where my party is going then I'm not following.


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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:30 PM

93. She needs to learn the lessons of today.

If you make comments that are viewed as bigoted or stupid, you are going to get push-back on it.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:46 PM

96. If you are simplistic enough...

..to think that the use of drones is "murder," (unjustified killing) then you ought to be able to point out that a Democrat (a beloved Democrat) engaged in these policies without being personally attacked. Obama had a policy that she strongly disagrees with. Fine. It doesn't mean she's not a Democrat. Surely we can disagree with one another's policies???

"We can't be only upset with Trump because he's not a politician who sells us his policies in the most perfect way. His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was, and that's not what we should be looking for anymore," Omar added. "We don't want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished, we want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile so that we can understand the kind of negative impact, or positive impact they will have on us for generations to come."


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-controversy-rep-ilhan-omar-criticism-president-obama/story?id=61564148

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:52 PM

99. Identity politics demands loyalty to your identity group.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 06:46 PM

104. Get used to the fact that not every Democrat is on board with her. Her opinions can be criticized

as much as any public figure.

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Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2019, 07:28 PM

105. Omar Deleted her "Opinion" Tweet.

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