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Bayard

(22,057 posts)
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 08:01 PM Mar 2019

Trump's attorney general wants god's moral order enforced by government

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In a 1995 essay, Barr expressed the extremist Christian view that “American government should not be secular;” secularism is an abomination in Barr’s theocratic mind despite the law of the land is unmistakably secular. Furthermore, Barr contends America’s government is supposed to be imposing “a transcendent moral order with objective standards of right and wrong that flows from God’s eternal law;” eternal law best dictated by the Vatican and taught in public schools at taxpayer’s expense.

It is true that as attorney general William Barr will defend Trump’s criminality and corruption; it is one of the only reasons Trump nominated him. However, the real danger to the nation is Barr’s belief that the government’s primary function should be defending and enforcing his god’s moral edicts while ardently opposing any legislative branch effort to make secular laws according to the secular Constitution.

As noted by Michael Stone a couple of weeks ago, in addition to the racism and misogyny one expects from a radical conservative Christian, “Barr is also a bigot when it comes to non-religious people and others who respect the separation of church and state.”

Barr epitomizes the typical extremist religious fanatic by blaming everything from crime to divorce to sexually transmitted diseases on what he alleges is “the federal government’s non-stop attacks on traditional religious values.” In fact, he joins no small number of Republican evangelical extremists who demand that taxpayers fund religious instruction, specifically Catholic religious instruction, in public schools. Barr, as a matter of fact, has called for the United States government to subsidize Catholic education and categorically called for federal legislation to promote Vatican edicts to “restrain sexual immorality;” an explicit reference to his religion’s ban on homosexuality, extramarital sex, and “artificial” birth control.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/2/25/1837456/-Trump-s-attorney-general-wants-god-s-moral-order-enforced-by-government?detail=emaildkre

This is a damn scary article. Anyone who thought this guy might work out ok is in for a shock.
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Trump's attorney general wants god's moral order enforced by government (Original Post) Bayard Mar 2019 OP
religious dictatorship? Is that what the republicans want? demigoddess Mar 2019 #1
SCARY shit here bluestarone Mar 2019 #2
... Scurrilous Mar 2019 #3
I will not be forced to pretend I believe in myth! DontBooVote Mar 2019 #4
Uh-oh -- we're in trouble vlyons Mar 2019 #5
Because they believe all morality comes from putting God at the center of all things... JHB Mar 2019 #15
yes indeed vlyons Mar 2019 #19
let us return to the wondrous days of persecution Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2019 #6
Catholics on the USS Court.... magicarpet Mar 2019 #7
Really? He backs both God's eternal law and Donald Trump? Jim__ Mar 2019 #8
Methinks the man needs to bone up on the wisdom of the "founding fathers" ZZenith Mar 2019 #9
Oh My! Varaddem Mar 2019 #13
Please spread them liberally. ZZenith Mar 2019 #14
Heck, they're clueless about their own religion. trev Mar 2019 #17
should we bdamomma Mar 2019 #10
Barr should be onboard with getting the morally bankrupt DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #11
Thanks for exposing this UTUSN Mar 2019 #12
Is he Opus Dei? Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #16
Omfg! This stance is breaking his oath of office. Duppers Mar 2019 #18

bluestarone

(16,906 posts)
2. SCARY shit here
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 08:05 PM
Mar 2019

This why the religious rt feel it's ok to kill an abortion DR'S. In The name of the LORD!

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
5. Uh-oh -- we're in trouble
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 08:10 PM
Mar 2019

Why does it never occur to those assholes that ethical morality can be taught within a secular context? Hey, I'm a Buddhist. I don't believe in a creator God. Yet I recognize that ethical morality is the foundation for living a happy life. I have been taught unwholesome actions are

No killing, stealing, lying, sexual misconduct, harsh speech, divisive speech, idle chatter, ill-will, envy, ill-will, and wrong views. I don't need a God to realize this. I just have to contemplate this teaching and use my brain.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
15. Because they believe all morality comes from putting God at the center of all things...
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 09:40 PM
Mar 2019

...and since by definition secularism doesn't do that, it is inherently immoral.

It's that simple and that simplistic.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
19. yes indeed
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:50 AM
Mar 2019

They think that without the threat of punishment by a vengeful and jealous God, we would all be justified to merrily kill, steal, lie, commit sexual behavior, speak divisively, harshly, envy, hold grudges, and ill-will, and be bigoted and racist.

Oh wait, that's what they do all the time! Pretty ironic.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,321 posts)
6. let us return to the wondrous days of persecution
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 08:13 PM
Mar 2019

https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/private-lives/religion/overview/persecution/

Strict uniformity of religious worship among the people was a vital political priority during the 17th century. Those who did not support the Church were seen by monarchs and their advisers as a threat to the state and the social order.

[ ... ]

Enforcement of these laws unleashed a period of violent religious disturbance and hatred across England, Scotland and Wales.

Under the Test and Corporation Acts, holders of public office - including peers and MPs - schoolmasters, clergy, students of Oxford and Cambridge, members of local corporations and others, all had to swear an oath upholding the position of the King as head of the Church of England.

Those who did not risked losing most of their civil rights. Attending Catholic worship or nonconformist religious meetings was declared illegal and punishable by fine or imprisonment.

magicarpet

(14,144 posts)
7. Catholics on the USS Court....
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 08:20 PM
Mar 2019

How many belong to Opus Dei,

begin snip,

If confirmed, Judge Brett Kavanaugh—the second of President Trump’s nominations while in office—would become the fifth Catholic (and the 14th in U.S. history) serving on the Supreme Court.

end snip,

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2018/07/18/why-do-catholics-make-majority-supreme-court

ZZenith

(4,119 posts)
9. Methinks the man needs to bone up on the wisdom of the "founding fathers"
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 08:30 PM
Mar 2019

“It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.”

“All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”

“It is a want of feeling to talk of priests and bells while so many infants are perishing in the hospitals, and aged and infirm poor in the streets, from the want of necessaries.”

“Every national church or religion has established itself by pretending some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals. The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet; as if the way to God was not open to every man alike. Each of those churches show certain books, which they call revelation, or the word of God. The Jews say, that their word of God was given by God to Moses, face to face; the Christians say, that their word of God came by divine inspiration: and the Turks say, that their word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from Heaven. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.”

“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.“

“The age of ignorance commenced with the Christian system.“

“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries, that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion.“

- Thomas Paine

“Allowing rights and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it were by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.”

- George Washington

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.”

- Thomas Jefferson

ZZenith

(4,119 posts)
14. Please spread them liberally.
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 09:38 PM
Mar 2019

Modern American conservatives are clueless about the origins of their own country and are relying on us to inform them.

Duppers

(28,118 posts)
18. Omfg! This stance is breaking his oath of office.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:32 AM
Mar 2019

It opposes the Constitution of the United States. If he took any actions that enforced this unconstitutional stance, he could be impeached by Congress.

Wiki..

"The U.S. Constitution provides that civil officers of the United States, which would include the U.S. Attorney General, may be impeached by Congress for treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors. ..."


The problem is getting enough rethugs to vote him out. They are hell-bent in turning this country into a theocracy!




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