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malaise

(268,693 posts)
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:03 AM Feb 2019

I think Smollett is an idiot but I am truly amazed that this false claim is getting

more coverage than the white supremacist who wanted to kill the Speaker of the House, other Democrats and many persons in the media.

Just saying!!

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I think Smollett is an idiot but I am truly amazed that this false claim is getting (Original Post) malaise Feb 2019 OP
Because Repubes have to prove they are victims. Shell_Seas Feb 2019 #1
Me too. dewsgirl Feb 2019 #2
It's really unfortunate this happened. forgotmylogin Feb 2019 #3
Not just racially motivated crimes, but all identity crimes, LGBT and sexual claims. Fla Dem Feb 2019 #12
Exactly... thats why I am so pissed at him lancelyons Feb 2019 #39
If he's guilty it usually means he'll get a lot of work. defacto7 Feb 2019 #65
Hope he makes it right romainetarra Feb 2019 #148
Well they shouldn't be unconditionally believed Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #54
+1 treestar Feb 2019 #59
This WillowTree Feb 2019 #74
+1 Certainly. forgotmylogin Feb 2019 #78
THIS !!!! uponit7771 Feb 2019 #91
Perfectly said. nt MH1 Feb 2019 #99
Exactly. mudpuddle Feb 2019 #113
Nothing should be unconditionally believed treestar Feb 2019 #58
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2019 #92
Shouldn't we all agree on that though? nt MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #110
because Smollett's "attack" garnered national news coverage Baltimike Feb 2019 #4
1500 radio stations to cover smollet and ignore domestic terrorism might make a difference certainot Feb 2019 #56
The right wing domestic terrorist attempted attack is being reported too and Jussie's story Baltimike Feb 2019 #84
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2019 #93
Unfortunately... Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #102
+1. nt Baltimike Feb 2019 #103
buph Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #5
Jonathan Capehart is raising the point I just made malaise Feb 2019 #9
I honestly am confused - the Smollett case is awful and needs coverage - but the White Supremacist Pachamama Feb 2019 #50
team limbaugh makes the difference certainot Feb 2019 #57
nailed it treestar Feb 2019 #63
Yes. Why it is the lead story on the national news is very puzzling. MineralMan Feb 2019 #6
+1,000 malaise Feb 2019 #10
The people I've seen talking about it on octoberlib Feb 2019 #7
Capehart just said thathe's like to hear from them malaise Feb 2019 #11
They all say it's either not a big deal or it's a false flag maryellen99 Feb 2019 #21
They may not know about the CG Lt. trc Feb 2019 #143
You're kidding right? underpants Feb 2019 #8
It's crushing because now, every hate crime will be suspect... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #15
I don't think Smollett is an idiot, so much as a guy with psychological issues. GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #119
You are as wrong as anyone could be. GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #122
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #131
Most of that damage has been done because the media made it their top story. GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #132
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Still completely misconstruing everything I said and missing the point, I see. GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #135
Maybe because Smollett went on TV to promote his story jberryhill Feb 2019 #14
yeah... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #17
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I think that's the bigger point. Dr. Strange Feb 2019 #55
+1 spooky3 Feb 2019 #28
If that were a Muslim or a Mexican with those weapons and threats to ReTHUGs malaise Feb 2019 #41
If my aunt had four wheels and an electric motor, she'd be a Tesla jberryhill Feb 2019 #45
... nolabear Feb 2019 #70
I'd pretend the analogy is relevant and accurate too. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #79
ah, I have you back jberryhill Feb 2019 #80
He got real quiet. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #112
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2019 #94
+1. n/t obnoxiousdrunk Feb 2019 #82
Say it again louder so the people in the back can hear you... ADX Feb 2019 #85
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #117
Trump hasn't been on TV multiple times promoting white supremacy and terrorism against the media? uponit7771 Feb 2019 #95
And called himself the "gay Tupac." cwydro Feb 2019 #152
Perhaps that's because we have limited details about the plot at this point. brooklynite Feb 2019 #16
Doubtful. Lack of details has never stopped media from looking into leftist violence before. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #71
+1 ck4829 Feb 2019 #153
I think it's just an interesting puzzle janterry Feb 2019 #18
I never heard of him before either malaise Feb 2019 #26
Maybe the real story is this: luvtheGWN Feb 2019 #44
Don't be amazed. RWrs love this story. They are the first to bring it up MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #19
I agree. It's a Kardashian type of news. He's an entertainer and more well known than the white jalan48 Feb 2019 #22
Smollett apparently has some fame in the entertainment world. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #23
we'd know the answer if there was nonstop coverage treestar Feb 2019 #67
He had large supplies of drugs that require an Rx like Tramadol (low-grade opioid) and HGH mr_lebowski Feb 2019 #86
K&R... spanone Feb 2019 #24
The coverage is totally overblown. Absurd, like Fox News shit. ooky Feb 2019 #25
I don't watch cable news until 4 PM eastern. watoos Feb 2019 #27
No shit. Breaking into regular programming?!?! LakeArenal Feb 2019 #29
They broke out quickly but that was unbelievable malaise Feb 2019 #42
I think it's ridiculous. I am wfh today and they just broke into regular programming to smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #53
+1000 nt DesertRat Feb 2019 #30
Again, I frequent a sports forum full of ReThugs True Dough Feb 2019 #31
Precisely malaise Feb 2019 #43
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2019 #97
His publicity stunt worked. Harker Feb 2019 #32
Smollett is more than an 'idiot". He falsely used a national issue over money. ksoze Feb 2019 #33
This is America!! We value celebrity above all else. Celebrity always gets top billing. Pisces Feb 2019 #34
Sometimes I wish we had royalty instead. nolabear Feb 2019 #72
It doesn't help that a leading exboyfil Feb 2019 #35
Certain parties have vested interests in delegitimizing ALL accusations of assault (or racism fwiw) RockRaven Feb 2019 #36
Agreed lancelyons Feb 2019 #37
This isn't a national news story. procon Feb 2019 #38
And some sit around wondering,,,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2019 #40
C'mon, malaise, it should't be even slightly surprising! JHB Feb 2019 #46
Perfect malaise Feb 2019 #48
... Anon-C Feb 2019 #51
THIS !!!! uponit7771 Feb 2019 #98
My recollection is that his allegations got a lot of attention here when they were first made onenote Feb 2019 #47
That's right melman Feb 2019 #69
They are still running this shit? Now 43 minutes and counting. ooky Feb 2019 #49
I turned them off ages ago malaise Feb 2019 #62
I don't think 'amazed' is the word you're looking for . . more like disappointed (as usual) pdsimdars Feb 2019 #52
It is consistent, ignore anything that would reflect badly on real Americans bigbrother05 Feb 2019 #60
I didn't even know about the white one wanting to kill the Speaker treestar Feb 2019 #61
Here malaise Feb 2019 #75
Thanks, I think I had heard treestar Feb 2019 #87
Hopefully they will be discussed this afternoon malaise Feb 2019 #89
It's all about celebrities these days. Shemp Howard Feb 2019 #64
Having to listen to the MAGA trolls at work crow about this today Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #66
Same thing on all the sports sites Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #116
Enough already! Greybnk48 Feb 2019 #68
Coverage is black and white IronLionZion Feb 2019 #73
Well said malaise Feb 2019 #76
Indeed ck4829 Feb 2019 #154
I'm not surprised at all. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #77
Good point but I'd expect Fox to do their bidding malaise Feb 2019 #81
More coverage than mass shootings.. unbelievable. onecaliberal Feb 2019 #83
i wish i was amazed. barbtries Feb 2019 #88
LOL re Jamaica malaise Feb 2019 #90
i was seeing a Jamaican for a minute in i wanna say 2003. barbtries Feb 2019 #136
We're up there in the top five malaise Feb 2019 #138
yeah. barbtries Feb 2019 #140
Moving to one of the most rabidly homophobic cultures on the planet is not a good idea jberryhill Feb 2019 #100
wow. barbtries Feb 2019 #137
Wherever you go, there you are jberryhill Feb 2019 #139
exactly. barbtries Feb 2019 #141
Come tomorrow, two, three days from now padah513 Feb 2019 #96
I was JUST saying that to my husband. Chemisse Feb 2019 #101
Notice that the vile MAGAcretin tweeted about Smollett but has not a word on malaise Feb 2019 #118
How many posts were here regarding the initial story? theboss Feb 2019 #104
It works for the MAGAts. dogman Feb 2019 #105
It's extremely disturbing ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #106
It's intentional Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #107
And yet the media does not expose their crap malaise Feb 2019 #111
It's happening too often. We had one at Drake University in Des Moines last year. MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #108
Most Definitely.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2019 #109
fox news is loving this dustyscamp Feb 2019 #114
This one do not get a lot of attention as I remember. spike jones Feb 2019 #115
DOJ didn't bother to announce white supremacist was arrested ... I wonder why ? eppur_se_muova Feb 2019 #120
We know why malaise Feb 2019 #123
The "liberal" MSM is anything but Liberal. n/t MarcA Feb 2019 #121
Never heard of him before this, and LibDemAlways Feb 2019 #124
They never followed this trial - wonder why??? malaise Feb 2019 #125
Thank God it doesn't have any religious undertones - they would have interrupted programming. walkingman Feb 2019 #126
The M$M is in it for ratings and money Alea Feb 2019 #127
It's because people click on the links! Petosky Stone Feb 2019 #128
CNN is covering Roger Stone malaise Feb 2019 #129
You seemed to think it was a big story at the time. former9thward Feb 2019 #130
It would have been if it were not a hoax malaise Feb 2019 #142
It made headlines when it was reportedly a hate crime of a celebrity, noose & all. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #133
I'm not amazed. Unfortunately. yardwork Feb 2019 #144
Haven't you heard IOWARDI?? proud patriot Feb 2019 #145
No surprise. American media serving their masters. hay rick Feb 2019 #146
We had no problem talking about it when we thought it was legitimate, did we? RhodeIslandOne Feb 2019 #147
Prime example of how low the country has fallen, how shallow, how stupid, how amoral, how empty. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #149
They want to make sure future claims by others are doubted nini Feb 2019 #150
just an "idiot"...that's too light a label Demonaut Feb 2019 #151
K&R ck4829 Feb 2019 #155
Republicans are Desperate for Any Distraction From Trump & the Endless Scandals dlk Feb 2019 #156
It got a lot of media attention on day one, when everyone thought hughee99 Feb 2019 #157
This message was self-deleted by its author panader0 Feb 2019 #158
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #159

forgotmylogin

(7,520 posts)
3. It's really unfortunate this happened.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:07 AM
Feb 2019

Smollett handed the redcaps an instance of fraud they can continuously point to as "proof" that claims of racially-motivated crimes aren't to be unconditionally believed.

Fla Dem

(23,586 posts)
12. Not just racially motivated crimes, but all identity crimes, LGBT and sexual claims.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:16 AM
Feb 2019

Hurts the "Me Too" movement. Smollett is a highly recognizable celebrity who made a claim that if proven false can have a ripple effect.

Had he been any Joe Smooze it probably would have never made it beyond local news.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
39. Exactly... thats why I am so pissed at him
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:35 AM
Feb 2019

Not only that.. he has undermined crimes against LGBTQ and African Americans.

If guilty, I think he should be rediculted for a very long time. What a shame and embarrassment.

romainetarra

(51 posts)
148. Hope he makes it right
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 01:13 AM
Feb 2019

Hopefully he makes it right and stands up to protect other minorities and turns this negative into a positive something the current white house hasnt done.

forgotmylogin

(7,520 posts)
78. +1 Certainly.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:11 PM
Feb 2019

But the people whose arguments benefit from blanket disbelief of race and minority crimes will wear this like a brooch.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
58. Nothing should be unconditionally believed
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:55 AM
Feb 2019

Saying that gives the redcaps proof on unreasonableness. Why is that better than saying they should never be believed or always doubted? I get the idea of that being the case in the past, but now saying just the opposite is not justice.

Baltimike

(4,137 posts)
4. because Smollett's "attack" garnered national news coverage
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:08 AM
Feb 2019

so the hoax portion of it will be swift.

he has relegated himself to the likes of the backward B girl from '08 and the stolen valor peeps.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
56. 1500 radio stations to cover smollet and ignore domestic terrorism might make a difference
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:54 AM
Feb 2019

making molehills into mountains and visa versa

Baltimike

(4,137 posts)
84. The right wing domestic terrorist attempted attack is being reported too and Jussie's story
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:22 PM
Feb 2019

will flame out in due course.

I am disheartened by this because he REALLY should have known better.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
102. Unfortunately...
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:56 PM
Feb 2019

It's over-correcting for reporting on the story in the first place. There was wall-to-wall coverage of the attack, so, it only makes sense there'd be wall-to-wall coverage of the hoax.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
5. buph
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:08 AM
Feb 2019

That's the noise I just made while trying to type what I just thought about all of this.

It's my best reaction to it.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
9. Jonathan Capehart is raising the point I just made
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:13 AM
Feb 2019

where is the press conference for the White Supremacist - where is the condemnation from the right on that.
The Superintendent of the Chicago police wishes gun violence could get this much coverage

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
50. I honestly am confused - the Smollett case is awful and needs coverage - but the White Supremacist
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:45 AM
Feb 2019

...who wanted to kill as many people as possible - that should be the top story and discussion and when I turned on TV and see this is the story on and being covered primarily?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
63. nailed it
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:57 AM
Feb 2019

why they have to follow his lead is a mystery, but they do it. He starts the ditto heads talking and they don't want to hear anything that does not confirm their bias. Has he said a word about the white supremacist? I bet not.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
6. Yes. Why it is the lead story on the national news is very puzzling.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:09 AM
Feb 2019

I think it's a sad story, but a relatively minor one. It has been leading the news for far too long.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
7. The people I've seen talking about it on
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:09 AM
Feb 2019

Twitter are all Republicans and nary a one has mentioned the Coast Guard guy.

maryellen99

(3,785 posts)
21. They all say it's either not a big deal or it's a false flag
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:24 AM
Feb 2019

Plus they are all what about Steve Scalise.

underpants

(182,603 posts)
8. You're kidding right?
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:10 AM
Feb 2019

A. He’s black
A+. He’s gay too

That Fox News GOLD right there.

The fact that he’s a celebrity gives CNN and the rest reason to follow it.

Lastly - MAGA! - the right ferociously attacks when something as blatant as the Covington kids happens. They also ignore the Parkland Shooter with a MAGA hat and the MAGABomber.

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
13. I don't think Smollett is an idiot, so much as a guy with psychological issues.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:16 AM
Feb 2019

But, yes. It's beyond disgusting that this gets top billing over the Coast Guard Nazi, and over every last bit of shit coming out of the White House. It doesn't get much more fucked up than this.

Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #13)

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
122. You are as wrong as anyone could be.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 04:01 PM
Feb 2019

I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that I want the Nazi to succeed, when I said that the media should be focusing the majority of its attention on him and the various White House scandals, rather than focusing on some actor's hoax. Especially given the context of malaise's original post.

Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #122)

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
132. Most of that damage has been done because the media made it their top story.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 05:25 PM
Feb 2019

And, then continued to talk about it, and dissect it, and hang onto it for days on end--at the expense of everything else. But, hey. If you want to keep on misconstruing what I said, knock yourself out. You'll still be wrong. I also find it interesting that you fixate on the Nazi guy, while ignoring that I also would like them to focus on the White House corruption, along with the Nazi guy.

Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #132)

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
135. Still completely misconstruing everything I said and missing the point, I see.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 06:34 PM
Feb 2019

Like I said, knock yourself out. I'm done wasting my time on you. Good day.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
14. Maybe because Smollett went on TV to promote his story
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:16 AM
Feb 2019

Maybe because he is a television personality.

Maybe because he is wealthy and relatively well known.

Dude went on national television to call out people who doubted him:



Just saying.

The ENTIRE POINT was that he was a celebrity seeking media attention.

He got it.

Response to jberryhill (Reply #14)

Dr. Strange

(25,916 posts)
55. I think that's the bigger point.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:52 AM
Feb 2019

The white nationalist would have been a much bigger story if he had already attacked someone. For Smollett, the story started out as an attack that had already occurred.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
41. If that were a Muslim or a Mexican with those weapons and threats to ReTHUGs
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:37 AM
Feb 2019

it would be BREAKING NEWS with non-stop coverage

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
79. I'd pretend the analogy is relevant and accurate too.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:11 PM
Feb 2019

But it's not. Admit that to yourself... if no one else.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
80. ah, I have you back
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:12 PM
Feb 2019

I was starting to miss you.

For your next trick, you'll explain why the woman from Alabama who joined ISIS is not getting as much coverage as the Smollett story, which was precipitated in large part by Smollett's own publicity-seeking efforts over it.

Because that story does involve a person of color, who is also Muslim, and who participated in terrorist related activities, and it still is not out-placing Smollett in the judgment of persons whose job it is to maximize ratings.

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
85. Say it again louder so the people in the back can hear you...
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:24 PM
Feb 2019

...If the story Smollet told had been proven true and two MAGA-cretins arrested, there'd be a hue and cry if it DIDN'T get the coverage it's getting now.

We can't have it both ways...

Response to ADX (Reply #85)

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
95. Trump hasn't been on TV multiple times promoting white supremacy and terrorism against the media?
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:40 PM
Feb 2019

slip showing?

tia

Caliman73

(11,725 posts)
71. Doubtful. Lack of details has never stopped media from looking into leftist violence before.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:06 PM
Feb 2019

What is keeping the White Supremacist Coast Guard plot out of the headlines is framing and attitude. We on the Democratic side of the political spectrum were aware that right wing hate group membership rose 100's of percentage points when President Obama was elected. Left leaning publications and some hosts on MSNBC covered that. It was however, largely untouched by national media. We know that President Obama had the highest number of death threats as well. Those were not huge national stories as they should have been.

Smollet is a celebrity who may or may not have engaged in a false, attention seeking action. Everyone is saying that his actions will hurt ENTIRE movements for civil rights. Why? Why didn't the actions of White hate groups, and White people making death threats against the President in numbers never before heard of hurt White people? The answer is because White people's actions are judged solely as individuals with no reflection upon White culture. In fact, there is always a major effort to distance the actions of White people who engage in violence from White culture. They are painted as "troubled" "mentally ill", or damaged in some way that separates them from normal culture. Smollett's actions are somehow indicative of problems within Gay people or Black people, or Liberals in general and everyone of those groups are indicted because of the behavior or one person who may have acted WAY outside the norms of any of those groups.

That is the more likely explanation for why one is leading coverage and the other, way more significant story is not.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
18. I think it's just an interesting puzzle
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:19 AM
Feb 2019

I'd never heard of him, never even heard of his show (I don't watch tv) - but as I wrote - as soon as I looked at his injured face, I knew it was a fib. I just knew it. There weren't enough injuries.

So, I kept sort of watching the news until it unraveled.

I guess what remains is the puzzle of why someone would do this. I don't know that we'll ever really know - but from a human interest perspective it's interesting.

Sure, it doesn't compare to other 'real' news events. But neither does anything the Kardashians do - or some other hollywood odd story.

But that's why it's getting coverage. Just human interest.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
26. I never heard of him before either
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:26 AM
Feb 2019

and I agree it is interesting but it does not deserve this coverage not when we have a story about mass killer.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
44. Maybe the real story is this:
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:41 AM
Feb 2019

Those two guys gave him a hard time (apparently one of them was an extra in the Empire show) about being gay, and this was his way of getting revenge on them. If his story is false, then it was all for nothing and he lost, badly.

MaryMagdaline

(6,851 posts)
19. Don't be amazed. RWrs love this story. They are the first to bring it up
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:21 AM
Feb 2019

Plays into their “see, racism doesn’t exist” theme. Every victim is now a hoaxster unless proven otherwise.

jalan48

(13,841 posts)
22. I agree. It's a Kardashian type of news. He's an entertainer and more well known than the white
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:24 AM
Feb 2019

supremacist. Focusing on him is much better for "ratings".

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
23. Smollett apparently has some fame in the entertainment world.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:25 AM
Feb 2019

So, of course, he gets coverage. Plus, he "asked" for coverage, getting on TV interview shows to talk about it.

White supremacist Coastie, I'm not quite sure what the charges are. He did a lot of amassing weapons, creating lists, talking with winger groups, but is he actually charged with a crime? I didn't get that from the TV news programs. Maybe he was using his government computer for non-government political purposes.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
86. He had large supplies of drugs that require an Rx like Tramadol (low-grade opioid) and HGH
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:25 PM
Feb 2019

And no Rx for them. Oops.

So he's in definite trouble for drug possession. I'd guess they'll likely find some illegal weapons mods as well, dude seems like the type would've turned his AR into full Auto, that kind of thing.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
27. I don't watch cable news until 4 PM eastern.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:26 AM
Feb 2019

Why put yourself through that misery?

One thing for sure, the white supremacist may not have made the headline news but the judge who Stone must see today is very much aware of that white supremacist.

LakeArenal

(28,802 posts)
29. No shit. Breaking into regular programming?!?!
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:28 AM
Feb 2019

Poor Jusse. This is such a sad story that does not need universal coverage. He’s not a mass shooter or a climactic disaster.

Just a sad man searching. Not sure for what. But he’s not even violent.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
42. They broke out quickly but that was unbelievable
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:38 AM
Feb 2019

What could make this worthy of breaking into coverage of regular programs?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
53. I think it's ridiculous. I am wfh today and they just broke into regular programming to
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:51 AM
Feb 2019

report on this. I had never heard of the guy before this incident. It was a stupid thing for him to do, but this insane over-coverage of the event is unwarranted.

I am getting the impression that they now want to point to every claim by a minority or LGBT person who claims to have been victimized (or woman) and say "Hey, remember Jusse Smollet? They are probably just making it all up to get attention!"

True Dough

(17,246 posts)
31. Again, I frequent a sports forum full of ReThugs
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:30 AM
Feb 2019

and in the "general discussion" forum, many of them are writing off the naval officer story as a "false flag."

As usual, they bury their heads in the sand while, at the same time, making hay over the Smollett story.

ksoze

(2,068 posts)
33. Smollett is more than an 'idiot". He falsely used a national issue over money.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:31 AM
Feb 2019

For starters, the actor picked the wrong city to use in his criminal act. A city that has been under extreme pressure that is vilified in a scam made it worse for him. The Chicago Chief of Police asked that this press conference received the same coverage as Smollett's false allegations got. In an era of heightened awareness of racial bias, his "idiot" move hurts us all as its detracts from the real issues.

The white supremest story is getting attention (as it should) and lead the news ahead of the Smollettt stuff on national news yesterday.

nolabear

(41,932 posts)
72. Sometimes I wish we had royalty instead.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:06 PM
Feb 2019

Just one big bunch with no use except to be obsessed over.

RockRaven

(14,898 posts)
36. Certain parties have vested interests in delegitimizing ALL accusations of assault (or racism fwiw)
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:33 AM
Feb 2019

and I think that is a driving force behind some parties' decisions about how to allocate coverage.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
37. Agreed
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:33 AM
Feb 2019

I said this earlier. Its crazy.

Maybe its just timing and the other thing is coming.

But i dont think so. I think the white supremacist deal is essentially over in terms of coverage.

procon

(15,805 posts)
38. This isn't a national news story.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:34 AM
Feb 2019

It's the stuff that generally makes Hollywood gossip headlines in the throwaway supermarket tabloids that titillate the interests of lowbrow consumers of endless celebrity scandals. It might have gotten a couple of column inches in the NY papers as a local event, or the acting trade magazines would have ran the story.

JHB

(37,154 posts)
46. C'mon, malaise, it should't be even slightly surprising!
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:43 AM
Feb 2019


Conservatives have built an outrage machine that makes the most "snowflakey" liberal arts college students look like veritable stoics by comparison.

In dozens upon dozens of RW venues the favorite sport is railing against liberal "outrages" and Democratic "corruption". Most of it is deliberate exaggeration, purposeful spin, fantasy, and horseshit. They love it when they get ahold of one they can wave around to prove to themselves they are right, that they are the people truly being wronged. They echo it and demand every venue shout it from the rooftops.

And mainstream media, always ready to prove they don't have "liberal bias", will echo it too. They have to talk about it endlessly, "it's out there".


onenote

(42,581 posts)
47. My recollection is that his allegations got a lot of attention here when they were first made
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:44 AM
Feb 2019

And I imagine that if the media hadn't covered those allegations when made there would have been a lot of complaints about that. So it's hardly surprising that there is a lot of coverage when it turns out the story was a hoax.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
60. It is consistent, ignore anything that would reflect badly on real Americans
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:55 AM
Feb 2019

Smollett's original story called out the hatred fanned by the MAGAts, now they can claim that they are the victims of a radical left agenda.

The CG LT while clearly a hardcore MAGAt, so don't pay any attention/wait until the facts are in/clearly had problems/acted alone.

See, civil rights are only for the real Americans so quite trying to scapegoat MAGA Supreme.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
61. I didn't even know about the white one wanting to kill the Speaker
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:56 AM
Feb 2019

That you'd think would be a big deal.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
75. Here
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:08 PM
Feb 2019
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/20/coast-guard-officer-white-nationalist-terror-attack/2933311002/

A U.S. Coast Guard lieutenant and self-described white nationalist planned a domestic terrorist attack targeting politicians and journalists, federal prosecutors say in court papers.

Christopher Paul Hasson was arrested last week on gun and drug charges, but intended "to murder innocent civilians on a scale rarely seen in this country," according to court documents filed Tuesday in the U.S. District Court in Maryland.

Hasson was scheduled to appear in court Thursday afternoon in Maryland.

Hasson has been stockpiling weapons since 2017, the government said, and created a list of targets including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Allegedly expressing extremist views for years, Hasson viewed pro-Russian, neo-fascist, and neo-Nazi literature thousands of times between January 2017 and 2019. He once wrote, "I am dreaming of a way to kill almost every last person on the earth" in an email draft, court documents said.

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M$Greedia better be at the Court House this afternoon

treestar

(82,383 posts)
87. Thanks, I think I had heard
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:28 PM
Feb 2019

but not much. You'd think those plans would be discussed; they are horrifying.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
64. It's all about celebrities these days.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:58 AM
Feb 2019

Take a look at the magazines at the checkout counter. The average American wants to know what celebrities are doing. And they love a juicy angle.

Smollett is a (minor) celebrity. This Coast Guardsman is not.
The Smollett story is bizarre. The Coast Guardsman story is not.

The Guardsman story just another 'gun nut about to go crazy' story.
Nothing juicy there.

So I'm not a bit surprised that the Smollett story is overwhelming the Coast Guardsman story. Saddened, but not surprised.

Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
66. Having to listen to the MAGA trolls at work crow about this today
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:58 AM
Feb 2019

All of them crowing about this case as if it somehow proves that they are correct about everything and liberals are idiots. Yes I'm exaggerating but damn these fuckers annoy me and I'm surrounded by their crap

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
116. Same thing on all the sports sites
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 02:59 PM
Feb 2019

It is unbearable. All the wingers are rejoicing as if it validates everything they have ever said about society and the media.

At least it happened far from an election day. But Trump is guaranteed to bring this up time and again from the stump in 2020, knowing his base will delight in the mockery.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
73. Coverage is black and white
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:07 PM
Feb 2019

White Americans are uncomfortable accepting the existence of white terrorism and choose to pretend it doesn't exist.

They need to believe in brown and black villains. Sure, for some the whole concept of white is right and black is bad may just be subconscious. But there are others who are deliberately promoting it and enjoy the privileges.

White villains enjoy the benefit of a doubt. There are a lot of people claiming the white terrorist is mentally ill. No one is saying that of idiot Jussie Smollett.

Just like no one is concerned that a US military officer could be a terrorist. There have always been many calls to stop Muslims and anyone who "looks like the enemy" from serving in our military. There's nothing like that when it's a white fellow. In fact, when a white woman Air Force intel analyst defected to Iran, there were folks on the right saying diversity was the real problem because a white woman could be seduced by a charming Iranian man.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
77. I'm not surprised at all.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:10 PM
Feb 2019

It's red meat for the bumper-sticker crowd who want to minimize and trivialize the reality of hate crimes, racism, and sexism; and incidents like this allow them all the cover they need to continue doing so, and all the excuses they desire.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
81. Good point but I'd expect Fox to do their bidding
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:19 PM
Feb 2019

I did not expect them to break into regular program on networks for this.

barbtries

(28,769 posts)
88. i wish i was amazed.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:32 PM
Feb 2019

racism is prevalent. watched a snatch of MSNBC this morning when a commentator brought exactly this up - they cut him off to air the press conference about Smollett.

In reality, the white supremacist who had a list of liberals he wanted to murder is a way more consequential story. this illustrates the failure of the media as well as the pervasive nature of racism in our fucked up, sick country.

tired now. i don't want to spend another second trying to figure out why Smollett pulled this absurd stunt. I want to know how many other nazis/white supremacists are plotting to assassinate innocent people and what's being done to stop them. i don't get your amazement though. this is par for the course in the USA.

what would it take to go live in Jamaica??? (jk. kinda)

malaise

(268,693 posts)
90. LOL re Jamaica
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:34 PM
Feb 2019

You haven't seen our murder rate.

THIS

tired now. i don't want to spend another second trying to figure out why Smollett pulled this absurd stunt. I want to know how many other nazis/white supremacists are plotting to assassinate innocent people and what's being done to stop them. i don't get your amazement though. this is par for the course in the USA.



barbtries

(28,769 posts)
136. i was seeing a Jamaican for a minute in i wanna say 2003.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 07:43 PM
Feb 2019

he was from Kingston and told me it had the highest murder rate in the world. is that true? or still true?

We take the prize for mass shootings by a mile. i think. I come from LA, where homicide is the leading cause of death for black and latino men aged 18 to 24.

I can't leave in reality. I have a family. Some of them are immune or ignorant to the ills in this country that distress me day and night. but I love them and will stay to be near them.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
138. We're up there in the top five
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 08:12 PM
Feb 2019

The hardest thing is life is to pick up and start over over a certain age

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
100. Moving to one of the most rabidly homophobic cultures on the planet is not a good idea
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:52 PM
Feb 2019
Marriage is an exception to rape in Jamaica, and male gay sex is punishable by imprisonment.

There is a higher per-capita rate of police killings in Jamaica than in the US. If you are a black person in a confrontation with police, your odds of survival are greater in the US than in Jamaica.

If this were Jamaica, Smollett would have been the victim of anti-homophobic violence long before now, and it wouldn't be a big story at all, given how commonplace violence against LGBT is in Jamaica.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/americas/jamaica/report-jamaica/

"Between January and March, the police oversight mechanism, the Independent Commission of Investigations (INDECOM) received 73 new complaints of assault and documented 42 killings by law enforcement officials. During the year, 168 people were killed by law enforcement officials, compared with 111 people in 2016."

Okay, that is 168 people out of a population of just under 3 million. 56 per million.

https://www.theroot.com/here-s-how-many-people-police-killed-in-2018-1831469528

"Police killed 1,165 people in 2018."

Out of a population of 325 million, that works out to around 3.6 per million.

You are 15 times more likely to be killed by police in Jamaica than in the US.



barbtries

(28,769 posts)
137. wow.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 07:45 PM
Feb 2019

there's nowhere is there? i have to keep my marching shoes in working order and stay. but that was the case even if Jamaica was the democratic, egalitarian island paradise of which I dream

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
139. Wherever you go, there you are
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 08:32 PM
Feb 2019

There are, of course, many wonderful things about Jamaica.

Every place has its issues.

padah513

(2,496 posts)
96. Come tomorrow, two, three days from now
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:43 PM
Feb 2019

We won't even remember this story. Especially if the judge tosses Stone in jail even though I doubt that'll happen. It's just the nature of the media ratings beast.

Chemisse

(30,803 posts)
101. I was JUST saying that to my husband.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:53 PM
Feb 2019

It's disgusting that they are going on and on about Smollet when what he did (while abhorrent) was trivial in comparison to the massive carnage that was planned by the White Supremacist, who had a political hit list and the means to carry it out.

When are these right-wing terrorists going to be taken seriously?

malaise

(268,693 posts)
118. Notice that the vile MAGAcretin tweeted about Smollett but has not a word on
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:14 PM
Feb 2019

the white supremacist.

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
104. How many posts were here regarding the initial story?
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 01:26 PM
Feb 2019

We seemed to think this story was a huge deal at one point, didn't we?

ZeroSomeBrains

(638 posts)
106. It's extremely disturbing
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 01:44 PM
Feb 2019

I'm afraid of what it will take for the mainstream media to actually take these domestic terrorists seriouspy. I imagine the problem is that these extremists are quite close to the modern Republican Party. That is still no excuse though and I have now lost all remaining respect for mainstream media after this.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
107. It's intentional
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 01:54 PM
Feb 2019

so the next time a genuine hate crime occurs, the usual suspects can throw this shit in our face... It's the new "Duke Lacrosse" for 2019...

malaise

(268,693 posts)
111. And yet the media does not expose their crap
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 02:08 PM
Feb 2019

like the Sandy Hook and other school shooting denials.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
108. It's happening too often. We had one at Drake University in Des Moines last year.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 02:03 PM
Feb 2019

Air Force academy a few years ago. While Drumpf runs his mouth alot, actual hate crimes are extremely rare. Unfortunately, these kinds of fake incidents are becoming common enough that they're almost getting as much press as real hate crimes themselves.

It's also a product of the press coverage of the initial incident. If the initial incident gets wall to wall coverage, of course the determination that it was fake will get the same wall to wall coverage, as it should. We should rightly WANT press attention of these increasingly fake incidents that do so much damage to the racial justice movement; to hide it would be even worse.

Which begs the question: why the fk do people do this?

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
120. DOJ didn't bother to announce white supremacist was arrested ... I wonder why ?
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 03:42 PM
Feb 2019

Already posted my explanation elsewhere.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
124. Never heard of him before this, and
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 04:37 PM
Feb 2019

don't care if I never hear of him again. What a waste of time and resources to cover this.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
125. They never followed this trial - wonder why???
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 04:40 PM
Feb 2019
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/02/14/world/crime-legal-world/white-supremacist-gets-life-killing-ny-black-man-sword-bid-spark-race-war/#.XG8MUPlKjIU

White supremacist gets life for killing NY black man with sword in bid to spark race war
AP

FEB 14, 2019
ARTICLE HISTORY PRINT SHARE
NEW YORK - A white supremacist who killed a black man with a sword wanted to ignite a worldwide race war, a prosecutor told a judge who sentenced the man Wednesday to life in prison without parole.

Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance read excerpts from James Jackson’s hate-filled manifesto as he decried the “horror of his actions” when he fatally stabbed 66-year-old Timothy Caughman in March 2017 after stalking a number of black men in New York City.

“James Jackson is a white supremacist and a terrorist,” Vance said of the Baltimore man and veteran who served in Afghanistan.

Given a chance to speak, Jackson, who is white, said he wanted to apologize for “this horrible and unnecessary tragedy.”

walkingman

(7,580 posts)
126. Thank God it doesn't have any religious undertones - they would have interrupted programming.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 04:47 PM
Feb 2019

We live in a clickbait world which I don't think will ever go away. I worry that mental illness has become the result of this technological era.

Alea

(706 posts)
127. The M$M is in it for ratings and money
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 04:48 PM
Feb 2019

They keep us hating, and hating each other. They got a little mileage out of the coast guard guy but since he's arrested now and off to jail, and didn't provide any bodies, they move on to a story to generate more hate. Hate makes us mad and makes us tune in to find out the next person to hate. Ratings and money.

 

Petosky Stone

(52 posts)
128. It's because people click on the links!
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 04:48 PM
Feb 2019

Newspapers sell advertising. The more people that read their stories, the more they can charge for the ads. Page-clicks are a huge indicator of readership.

The more people that click on a certain news story; the more the media outlets will play up that story.

If you want something to become a non-story, don't click on it. It'll quickly go away.

Our blooming national debt isn't news;

Just some unheard of actor that faked a hate crime.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
142. It would have been if it were not a hoax
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 08:38 PM
Feb 2019

It is a hoax with consequences but it sure isn't the biggest story today

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
133. It made headlines when it was reportedly a hate crime of a celebrity, noose & all.
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 05:51 PM
Feb 2019

It continues to make news as facts unfold that suggest he may have faked the whole thing. So anyone who didn't complain that it made headlines at first, then I don't see any basis to complain now, when the story has changed.

This IS news, when someone possibly falsifies a heinous crime. It diverts precious resources from real crimes, and this particular crime being a hate crime, stokes the racial divide in the country right now. So this IS news, whether it is a hate crime, or whether it was faked. Either way.

proud patriot

(100,704 posts)
145. Haven't you heard IOWARDI??
Thu Feb 21, 2019, 10:05 PM
Feb 2019

Republicans can do 100s of things wrong and not a blip .. one liberal burps and it's all news all the time ..

The media is only as liberal as the republican owners allow..

same shit different decade

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
149. Prime example of how low the country has fallen, how shallow, how stupid, how amoral, how empty. n/t
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 01:20 AM
Feb 2019

nini

(16,672 posts)
150. They want to make sure future claims by others are doubted
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 01:54 AM
Feb 2019

Every hate crime claim will now be suspect -even more than they are now. Smollett really messed up here and people other than himself will suffer because of it.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
157. It got a lot of media attention on day one, when everyone thought
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:35 AM
Feb 2019

A gay black celebrity got attacked by two white Trump supporters. I don’t remember anyone saying it was getting too much attention until the story started to fall apart.

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