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Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:09 AM

 

The Benefits of a Bernie Candidacy

We're just an hour or two into Bernie being part of the 2020 Presidential Primary, and already I am seeing posts here about him being a "Narcissist" and worse.

I think that any progressive can embrace Bernie's presence in the campaign at this point, whether they endorse him or not. Having Sanders (and Warren) in the campaign already has shifted the discussion on issues like minimum wage, health care, etc. far beyond how they were being discussed at this point in time in 2014 when the first Bernie campaign was just getting going. Love him or hate him, the man has shifted many discussions leftward, creating room for other candidates to take progressive stands while still potentially positioning themselves as more "centrist" (a word which I despise, but it ain't going away...)

Remember that at this point in a Primary, it's all about ideas and building momentum. Bernie's presence will strengthen the Democratic race overall. And I say that as someone who leans toward Warren at this point in time. Seeing and hearing her and Bernie on a debate stage with all the rest of our fine field of candidates is a prospect I relish.

-app

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we can do it Feb 2019 #34
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mac56 Feb 2019 #136
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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:11 AM

1. So MANY benefits... GO BERNIE!!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:46 AM

34. Hell no. EW is a real Democrat.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:05 AM

75. So wrong

Democratic Underground supports Democrats. Bernie is not a member of the Democratic Party. Maybe you need to find a new site.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #75)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:49 AM

120. agree

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #75)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:11 PM

131. Bernie is supported here on Democratic Underground

Perhaps you are the one needing a new site?

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #131)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:22 PM

136. THIS

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #131)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:45 PM

194. Oh you went there!!!

Good job.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #75)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:47 PM

176. He announced he is running as a Democrat -- not an independent like the Starbucks former CEO.

He's not a Ralph Nader.

If Sanders fires up and motivates lots of progressives and Democrats to get out and vote, regardless or whether he wins or another Democrat wins the primary race, it could be a net positive.

Hopefully he will level his criticisms against Trump and the traitorous Republicans, not Dems in the primary.

Remember that some of those divisive voices last time running down others purporting to be with Bernie turned out to be Russian bots. Hopefully people are more savvy this time and less apt to be duped.

That said, I think many of his past supporters may shift to Elizabeth Warren now that there is a true progressive option in the race with a solid track record--and a woman to boot.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #176)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 11:36 AM

201. Do you really think Bernie supporters will support

the Democratic nominee if he loses? A lot of them will blame the loss on some conspiracy theory, or "establishment Dems" or some crazy ***t like that and simply not vote or do another "protest vote" and vote for trump or the Green party.

From what I see on Twitter from them, and from what I saw from them in 2016, a lot of them won't and that only helps trump.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:10 AM

84. Agreed- and thank you!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:14 AM

89. No thanks. No Indies

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #89)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:30 PM

142. No indies? That's rich. An underground, by definition, is independent

Go Democrats, the party of free thinkers (with a conscience)!

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #142)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:38 PM

152. Where is this definition of underground as "independent"?

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #142)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:37 AM

196. ' That's rich'

Indeed and thanks

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 11:04 AM

198. Yeah! Go Bernie! Go! Keep going! Further!

All the way until you’re gone and I don’t have to hear your baying hounds anymore!

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:12 AM

2. No. He's not a Democrat and will spend the primary attacking the Democratic party.

 

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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:17 AM

6. Would you rather a third party run in the general election?

 

I think that it's really important to remember that third party runs kill the side that the third party is closest to. Perot killed the GHW Bush reelection campaign. Nader may have helped to kill the Gore campaign (although I blame Gore himself, his choice of Joe Loserman as VP, and the Supreme Court all much more).

If you or the Democratic Party as a whole squelch the Sandernista voice during the Primary process, you are only pushing those voices toward third parties. Not my idea of a good strategy...

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:19 AM

11. What's the difference in effect? Still hitting the Democrats from outside while absorbing votes

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:36 AM

23. Are you suggesting if he doesn't get the nod he'll throw the election to the GOP?????

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Response to marble falls (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:39 AM

26. Like last time?

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:41 AM

27. He didn't make a third party run last time.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:47 AM

36. May as well have.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:24 PM

157. EXACTLY.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:32 PM

160. Nonsense. He appeared in support of Hillary more than any other public figure

 

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Response to onit2day (Reply #160)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:36 PM

162. 🤣😂🤣

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Response to onit2day (Reply #160)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:35 PM

174. Does that include Bill Clinton?

I think that Bill still qualifies as a public figure.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:42 AM

30. Yep

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:19 PM

141. He campaigned for Hillary

Please stop scapegoating someone who campaigned vigorously for our candidate

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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #141)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:45 PM

153. And he refused to get out of the race...

When it was obvious to anyone with an inkling of understanding about how the primaries work, that he had no path to the nomination.
He then vocally complained about "undemocratic SuperDelegates" while attempting to woo them with the specious claim that only he could defeat Trump, and they should therefore ignore the will of the voters and make him the nominee. All the while touting conspiracy theories about how the DNC was handicapping him and firing up the Bros. Then, after his delegates made a stink, booing civil rights leaders at the Convention, he went on a book tour and half-assed promoted Hillary.

What he should have done was drop out after Super Tuesday (or, even better, South Carolina) and hit the road for Hillary hardcore.

Hopefully he won't be treated with kid gloves this time, and will have to explain how his pie-in-the-sky plans will work. As well as his recent missed votes and racist statements regarding white voters and minority candidates...

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Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #153)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:36 PM

163. None of your "Facts" are true as we later found out he won majorities but

 

was denied by those in power. See Michael Moore's film "Farenheight 11/9"

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Response to onit2day (Reply #163)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:38 PM

164. What the fuck are you talking about

Where did he win majorities and was denied? And I’d suggest that you actually refute the facts you take issue with rather than make up another conspiracy theory

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Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #153)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:03 PM

167. You think

He should have dropped out after South Carolina when about 1% of the country had voted? When you play basketball is the game over after the first 2 points?

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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #141)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:32 PM

159. 🤣Campaigned vigorously🤣

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Response to we can do it (Reply #159)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:20 PM

170. Nice comeback

Packed with hard facts. I hope you didn’t spend all day researching that. Do you realize how many events he did campaigning for her? His schedule was packed with rallies for her. That’s just a fact.

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:13 AM

56. He practically did that the last time

Had the same effect.

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:16 AM

91. That's his choice

Why should we bow to Bernie? No way.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #91)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:35 AM

109. "Bernie" the person is secondary at this point.

 

I've said it before (look at my Journal if you want) and I'll say it again: 2020 (or beyond for that matter, given his age) is probably not Bernie's moment to become President. It is a continued opportunity for his voice and ideas to be part of the conversation though...

The Democratic constituency known as "Sandernistas" or "Democratic Socialists" or even "the Economic Left" are emerging into a moment (or hopefully an enduring position of influence) such that they deserve a voice, and a candidate that pays them more than lip service.

No one is asking anyone to "bow" to Bernie. But the Democratic party needs to take the Economic Left seriously, and treat it as an essential and influential piece of the Democratic constituency overall. This was not a problem in the least from FDR to LBJ and beyond (you know, back when Democratic policies shaped America's domestic organization); why should it be a problem now?

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #109)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:46 PM

154. Why on EARTH would you want to call yourself a Sandernista????

Jesus Christ - brand yourself a fucking Communist and wonder why you don't get elected....

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Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #154)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:32 PM

173. I use "Sandernista" with my tongue firmly in cheek.

 

I know that many people use "Sandernista" as a pejorative, but I am amused by how it sounds for us fans of a longtime Democratic Socialist. Just a bit of humor to throw back in the faces of those who would red-bait an opponent whom they deem too far left...

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:56 AM

122. The vitriol never ends.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with you: Bernie's presence in the race last time and I hope this time will push the Party where it needs to go, to the left. We and the country will be stronger for it.

Posts to the effect that Bernie somehow lost Clinton the race are nonsensical to me. 43% of Democratic primary voters voted for Bernie! Giving those people a nod, not just with the platform* but say, a leftie VP pick--could have won the race. Showing them the door now would be political malpractice.

*the very progressive platform that, 2 years on, is looking mainstream--interesting how that worked.

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Response to shanny (Reply #122)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:46 PM

165. Well Said Shanny. Seems so many suffer from Bernie Derangement syndrome

 

5-6 yrs ago Bernie could not even get one Democratic sponsor on his Medicare for all bill. Now almost all are in support of it, just like free college, increased in Min Wage, breaking up the big banks, increased SS benefits etc. We live under a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC already but we need to increase benefits of our social safety net and decrease our give aways to the Billionaires and their deregulation tactics that are killing us and the planet we live on. Supporting Bernie's ideology is the democratic party agenda.

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 01:18 PM

204. Yes. Let's be honest here...as a Democratic candidate who is not a Democrat...he can run against

not only Democratic candidates but the party itself...that is very damaging coming from within a primary and can dissuade voters from voting for the eventual nominee.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:52 AM

65. That's what he did last time. Why would he change now?

He's voted more in line with the rethugs than with the Dems. He is NOT a Democrat.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:57 AM

68. His campaign manager,

 

just said that Bernie is staying a Democrat win or lose.

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Response to watoos (Reply #68)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:06 AM

78. We heard that promise

Last time!

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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:01 AM

70. Huh? As Democratic as say... Joe Manchin?

Bernie will be running for the Democratic Party nomination. He is a Democrat in all but name. He could try an independent run like Mr. Coffee (I forget his name) and that would be far worse for the Democratic Party than running as a true independent.

It is also interesting to note that the Democratic mainstream have coopted a lot of his policies.

While I welcome his candidacy and while I believe he is not the right candidate at this time I hope we can have a courteous and civilised debate about the issues and not re-live the 2016 primaries. Those primaries were divisive as heck and forced a number of people who backed Bernie but felt ganged up on here at DU to leave (JackPine Radicals coming to mind).

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #70)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:05 AM

77. +1, nt

 

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #70)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:26 AM

100. Amen. Ruben "Gay Agenda" Diaz in New York is a "Real Democrat."

Kim Davis, at the time she was denying marriage licenses to LGBT people, was a Real Democrat™. Fred Phelps ran for public office as a Real Democrat™. Joe Manchin, Real Democrat™, has voted to put Trump's fascists in the federal courts and his wreckers in federal agencies like the EPA.

Party affiliation matters--I've been a Real Democrat™ since I registered to vote at eighteen years of age--but it's not the only thing.

I wish some people could come up with substantive arguments about policy instead of resorting to this one:

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Response to QC (Reply #100)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:01 PM

126. +1

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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:40 AM

114. THIS n/t

 

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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:00 PM

148. bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT!!! He is afraid of releasing his taxes and he has a #MeToo problem

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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:31 PM

158. What is "not a democrat" about him? He's more for our party thyan anyone

 

else, including making more campaign appearances in support of Hillary after she became our nominee than any other legislator or public figure during her run for president. Leading the party and being critical of aspects of our party that are regressive is being a strong Democrat. Robert Reich says he's done more to bring our party into modern times than anyone else and change the conversation and discussion to FDR's 2nd bill of rights and what the majority of Democrats stand for as well as the majority of Americans stand for. Support him or not he deserves our appreciation and respect for his tireless effort in support of our party and of our principles. At age 21 he was arrested chained to a black woman at a civil rights protest. He is a Democrat by every measure that defines us.

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Response to onit2day (Reply #158)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:56 PM

202. Except the one measure that defines us...

Membership in the Democratic party.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:13 AM

3. taxes please !

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:19 AM

10. Yes, this is a reasonable request.

 

Especially after Trump, we the people deserve to see our candidates' tax returns. No argument otherwise from me!

-app

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:56 AM

46. Chairman Neal should request them.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:02 AM

71. Yep and if he does in the next week or two

will you be happy?
I say let him run and I won't vote for him.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:13 PM

169. Yes. From everyone. nt

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:13 AM

4. Absolutely agree!

After nearly 40 years of the economic trajectory being swung wildly in favor of the rich, we NEED the conversation Bernie is starting.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:17 AM

93. + 1000

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:56 PM

146. Too bad Bernie is the least equipped to deliver that.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:15 AM

5. The Benefits of a Bernie Candidacy ? Not one thing we don't already have .

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:34 AM

22. Nonsense. The number and diversity of voices matter.

 

Like I said above, I really lean toward Warren at this point in time. But without Bernie (and Tulsi maybe?), Warren would be the most "extreme" (translation = moderately leftist on economic issues) of the candidates. The Warren candidacy needs a Bernie campaign at this point, and a Tulsi campaign would only further reinforce the idea that Warren's ideas are solidly in the mainstream of American politics.

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:38 AM

25. Bernie brings nothing new to the Democratic party !

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:49 PM

166. He already brought it. It's what we all are talking about now.

 

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:47 AM

37. Bernie and diversity🤣

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Response to we can do it (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:41 AM

116. hahahahahahahahaha

 

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:17 AM

7. He's going to get a base of people who will say he was cheated by the DNC and they'll refuse to vote

for the elected Democratic nominee.

Most of his supporters will vote for the Democratic nominee, but some will withhold their vote (which counts just like a vote for trump). All he needs to do is whittle off enough votes for trump to manipulate the system again.

Jill Stein played a role last time and she knew it. Bernie played a role last time and may or may not know it.

Why won't he release his taxes? What's he hiding? Is he still receiving support from somewhere he doesn't want us knowing about?

We've seen this movie and know how it will come out. We'll lose.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:45 AM

32. What were DWS and Donna Brazile's roles?

 

I am ALL for a robust and transparent Primary process, where Bernie and every single other potential Democratic candidate rise and fall upon their own merits.

No doubt, 2016 was a clusterf---, with Putin and his bots (one of whom was named Jill Stein) playing horrendous roles. But Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Donna Brazile fed the flames with the appearance of impropriety. I'm not interested in re-fighting whether there was impropriety or not: the appearance itself fed into the bots' strategy.

Let's just have a debate on the merits of ideas and campaign organization. I have faith that the voters can make informed choices if given the chance.

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:48 AM

38. It's always blame the women.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:53 AM

44. I blame the actions.

 

Genitalia, secondary sex characteristics, or even gender a a whole really don't play a role here. If Tom Perez shepherds a fair and transparent Primary Process, I will applaud him. If he makes the same mistakes as DWS, I will excoriate him.

-app

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Response to we can do it (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:05 AM

76. Oh, come on., give me a break...



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Response to we can do it (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:32 AM

107. Cripes. Clarence Thomas much?

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Response to we can do it (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:09 PM

195. +1

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:43 AM

117. Just scapegoats to explain Bernie's failure

 

to attract people of color.

(Except Cornell West, Nina Turner and ... oh oh oh ... Killer Mike!)

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:04 AM

74. "... but some will withhold their vote (which counts just like a vote for trump)."

Will these same people also withhold their vote for the eventual Dem candidate if Bernie DOESN'T run?

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:18 AM

8. Regardless I hope us Dems wake up and realize the infighting cost us Trump - not this time!

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Response to walkingman (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:19 AM

12. +1

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Response to walkingman (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:29 AM

19. Absolutely.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:18 AM

9. Is Sanders running as a democrat or not? thx in advance

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:21 AM

15. Anyone can run for a Party nomination.

 

Bernie is an independent campaigning for the Democratic nomination. He refrained from making a third party run in 2016 even though many of his supporters were begging him to do so. That's good enough for me.

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:23 AM

17. Is Sanders going to run for the democratic nomination as a democrat? thx in advance

... advance

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:27 AM

18. As a voter, you can ask him. nt

 

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:45 AM

33. You can't be an "independent campaigning for the Democratic nomination"; the rules were changed

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:57 AM

48. Well, Bernie's either in or he's not.

 

I am sure if he is declaring a candidacy, his team is aware of the rules. It's not my role as a voter to enforce that: the Party has all sorts of higher-paid people to do so. I trust the process.

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #48)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:30 AM

58. So you're just supporting him whether or not he's gaming the rules. Gotcha

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Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:04 AM

73. Reading IS Fundamental, my friend.

 

Had you read my OP and replies, you would not think this at all.



-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #73)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:13 PM

149. I have read your evasions and non answers

But thanks for the personal attack!

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Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #149)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:51 PM

171. Can you point out this supposed personal attack on you?

 

For that matter, can you point to those "evasions and non answers" you are accusing me of?

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:19 AM

13. Where are his taxes?

 

That's what each of the candidates should ask every time his name is even mentioned.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:23 AM

16. +1

Also, nice to see you back!!

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:49 AM

41. Thanks

 

Good to be back.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:25 AM

99. Primary candidates have never been asked for their tax returns.

Until the DNC makes it a rule (which I think it should be) then don't complain about one person.

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Response to Delmette2.0 (Reply #99)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:04 PM

127. He's the only one

 

who wont show them so I'll name him whenever I please.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:20 AM

14. We need transparency. Show your taxes, Sanders!

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:58 AM

124. Just out of curiosity, have you asked every other declared candidate

 

for his or her taxes? Like, right now?

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Response to shanny (Reply #124)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:05 PM

128. Sanders (and trump) is the only one who ran last time who promised to release his taxes

and didn't keep that promise.

We have been waiting TWO years to see those taxes

So, your whataboutism doesn't work here.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #128)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:30 PM

137. That was a mistake on his part

 

since heretofore it had been the norm for the nominee to show his taxes and he was never the nominee. What I don't understand--since he wasn't the nominee--is why anyone spent the last two years waiting to see them. Seems like a total waste of time, not to mention a pointless invasion of privacy...but whatever. Enjoy.

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Response to shanny (Reply #137)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:35 PM

138. The fact is that he promised they would release them, and he didn't. Hillary showed hers

during the primary, before she was the nominee.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #138)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:36 PM

143. I said it was a mistake

 

but I do think it is funny that to drive home your point you say, what about Hillary?

Hillary also broke with tradition, in the other direction. In our current circumstance, that looks like a good thing and maybe there needs to be a law for anyone filing for office, or at least for preznit. But there isn't, at this time, and there wasn't then. So--sorry!--but it just looks like another thing to flay Bernie with. That seems to be a favorite sport around here...despite the fact that 43% of D primary voters picked him last time.

Including me. I don't know if I will again but I will share my main criteria: my primary vote will go to a candidate hated by Wall St.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:32 AM

20. i am nit certain that i support him, but

sen sanders extends and enhances out values and continues to inspire younf candidates and voters that we will need in 2020 and beyond.

hell, our statewide elections are this year (louisiana) and i would love for sen sanders, or any of our candidates to come down and support john bel edwards' reelection. we need all the help we can get.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:33 AM

21. What will happen...

.... as evidenced in 2016 is that many Bernie Sanders supporters will feel like victims when he is not nominated, and will take it out on the eventual nominee. If not nominated, Bernie Sanders and his supporters will have the same effect on the Democratic party's efforts that a Schultz independent campaign will have. Although this scenario may end up applying to other candidates, Bernie Sanders and his supporters have a verified history of this behavior. Many of Bernie Sanders supporters have proven they are a vindictive lot. That is my opinion on what I believe will occur if Bernie Sanders runs and loses.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:49 AM

40. A robust and open Primary will avoid this.

 

The Primary process is the chance to bring Democratic constituencies together. I see no evidence that Sandernistas will take their bats and balls and go home at this stage. Let the man campaign. Let his supporters support. A robust series of debates and media events will bring relevant issues to light.

We have more than a year to pick a candidate. Trust the voters and the process while standing up for what you believe!

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:17 PM

172. Well....

...he's running, so there's not really a choice but to rely on the voters to make the right choice, and not have a repeat a 2016. My remarks are more observatory than anything else.

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Response to quickesst (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:24 PM

179. +1

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #179)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:41 PM

193. ****

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:38 AM

24. Bernie IS a Narcissist...as is every other candidate

It's in the nature of the job that you have to have a large measure of self-admiration to think that you have the skills and accomplishment to get elected President, much less actually serve competently.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:41 AM

115. I agree. It takes a certain amount of arrogance

to think you and only you, are the best person to run the United States. Of course, arrogance does not equal competence. We see that with Trump.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:57 AM

123. Yep.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:41 AM

28. All Democrats should avoid infighting -

and make it a contest on who can point out flaws in non-Democrats like Trump - and Bernie the best.

Where are your Taxes, Trump??? - And Bernie.

Why do you support the NRA, Trump??? - And Bernie.

Etc.

ha

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:42 AM

29. No I see no benefits. I fear we could end up with a situation similar to 16...lose the general.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:44 AM

31. ABB Anybody But Bernie!

Dear Bernie:

Just go away. Your time is WAY past! And thanks for helping elect Trump!

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Response to kennetha (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:47 AM

119. But his ideas are very present. Others are echoing his message. Why not at least

include the original in the selection process!

And I will again vote for the nominee.

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Response to Doitnow (Reply #119)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:22 PM

156. I don't think many of those ideas originated with Bernie.

I recall hearing about economic justice when I took U.S. government my first year in college. Economic justice and social justice were emphasized in the liberal arts university I graduated from in the 1980s.

The message that others are echoing were part of the Democratic platform for decades.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #156)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:39 PM

175. Apparently it was not stressed enough.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:06 PM

129. Yes, except that I'll add: Anybody but Bernie and Tulsie!

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:46 AM

35. The Benefits of a Bernie Candidacy

Trump wins re-election?

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Response to Botany (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:08 PM

130. I have faith that Democrats are stronger than that.

 

Trump is exceedingly incompetent and criminal. We can defeat him.

Bernie's ideas and campaign have strengthened the Democratic position for 2020, and I see no reason why this should not continue to be true.

We have a great Democratic field, and I believe that a winner will emerge.

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:48 AM

39. Russian Trolls

There are flat out Russian trolls and those influenced and spurred by Russian Trolls attacking Bernie right now.

Bernie can do a lot for the Democratic Party, including bring us the White House. I love his the direction he pushes our party in.

Anti Hillary Russian Trolls found their footing in the primaries in 2016, they found their footing in Bernie supporters many of who fell for and spread their lies. Now it seems Bernie is the biggest threat because it's starting all over again in the opposite direction.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:52 AM

42. I like pictures

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Response to Botany (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:00 AM

69. Сделать Россию великой снова!

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #69)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:38 AM

112. Сделать Россию великой снова

Make Russia Great Again

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Response to Botany (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:09 AM

83. One of my 2 or 3 favorite cities in the world....




Thanks for posting...


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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:08 AM

53. No. The Russian trolls attack Democrats. We don't get

to rewrite history and known facts to present another false narrative of victimization. In fact, spreading the altered scenarios is a Russian troll’s job.

The Russian trolls attack Democrats. They promoted Bernie because of his stances that questioned Democrats. This is proven fact, all over the news, the subject of criminal FBI probes (how the Russians helped Trump win by helping TrumpSandersStein).

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:12 AM

55. Russian Trolls!

How weird. That's exactly what Jill Stein said/predicted for Bernie.

Coinky-dink, I'm sure.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:29 AM

105. Where is Tad Devine?

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:36 AM

111. Right here as we speak. Sanders is joining with us officially; he has continually voted with us.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:53 AM

43. Bernie brings so much to the table and opens discussions

That will not be heard from others.

Go, Bernie!

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:55 AM

45. The Negatives of a Bernie Candidacy

He will bash our good nominees and gin up all sorts of anger among his loyal followers who in the end will be so pissed off they will either not vote, vote write-in or hold their nose and vote Dem but wont work for the nominee or donate. Much like 2016.

We cannot afford this again.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:57 AM

49. Yep. Screenshotting this.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:03 AM

72. Yep.

The spotlight beckons and he believes he must respond.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:26 PM

180. +1

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:57 AM

47. All I'll say is this:

*WHEN* Bernie bows out, he needs to fucking fall in line and support the nominee... No bullshit about the primary process being unfair, no bullshit accusations of cheating or rigging, and no bullshit screaming for weeks about how he's going to take his case to the Supreme Court...

I am not kidding.

The stakes are too high around this time, and if his people stick us with another four years of Donnie, I won't be responsible for my actions.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:00 AM

52. The stakes were too high last time, and he didn't care. It's all about him. I don't see him changing

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:08 AM

80. This time, if Bern says the system is rigged against him....

It simply won't work.
Too many qualified and much younger candidates with similar platforms. The media has only so many broadcast hours in the day.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:23 PM

178. The other benefit is I'll know which DUers to put on ignore until the silliness is over

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:58 AM

50. I just made my first 2020 donation! Eom

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:58 AM

51. I'm glad he's in

Although I'd never vote for him in a primary. I think he did well enough last time to run again, and have his issues heard. It bothers me less that he's not a Dem than it does others, but he needn't attack our party again. He has no "establishment" to run against this time, and several other candidates talking about Medicare for all, higher minimum wage, etc. I don't think he'll fare well this time, and I hope he doesn't. He's, in my opinion, not a person given to building the coalitions needed to govern. He's always been on the fringes of the party, never having to lead, just able to be a bomb thrower. I'm glad he's in, so he can be beaten again. If he's not, and he's our nominee, of course I will be voting for him in the general.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:10 AM

54. One benefit is when it's clear he's lost the primary he likes to still soldier on in the hopes of

achieving...????

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:15 AM

57. Bernie is a drag on a party he refuses to join.

To hell with him. There are a slew of better, for-real Democratic candidates, this time around.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:40 AM

59. No Bernie. No Biden. No old men. nt

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:43 AM

60. Bernie has had

.....a tremendously positive effect on the Democratic Party and his ideas are now embedded in the policies of most of the candidates. Thank you Bernie! He changed the world.

But his time is past and his only role at this point is to keep pushing the progressive agenda at the back of the front runners. I hear he's second choice among polled Democrats after Biden.

Would love to have one of the women (except Gillibrand) be the candidate but am terrified that the country will not vote for a woman. We must beat Trump. It's the number one criterion.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:43 AM

61. I agree 100%. Bernie is issue-focused, and will challenge his opponents to be so as well.

As you have already astutely pointed out, Bernie's presence will help guide the discussion on all levels to issues that are actually important to the vast majority of Americans. This elevates his opponents as well as him and will greatly help whomever the nominee will be (even if it isn't him) in squaring off against Dotard and his inevitably tawdry and lie focused campaign....provided they don't allow themselves to be dragged into the gutter and sewer by Rump. That's where he always wins. We win when we focus on issues that are important to the people, and that's what Bernie will help all involved to do with his candidacy.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:49 AM

62. This is well said. Bernie's voice will be valuable in the primaries. nt

 

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:51 AM

63. "any progressive can embrace Bernie's presence in the campaign" at this point.

After his failure to release multiple years of full tax returns? After having to drag out of him just a single, 7 page return? After his months-long delay in conceding, waiting almost till the convention? After his lukewarm campaigning for Hillary, once he finally started in September?

I think many progressives will not be "embracing him," even if they have no choice but to put up with him. Again.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:52 AM

64. This worked out so well last time didn't it?

 

Come on. It's time we stopped shooting ourselves in the foot.

Democrats should run as Democrats. Independents as independents. We have to know who and what is representing us on our ballot, IMO. If you don't want to identify as a Democrat why enjoin Democratic voters?

Bernie stayed in way too long in 2016. That was a mistake, IMO. We can't afford any errors in 2020 and that's not IMO, that's a fact.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:55 AM

66. No

I’m sorry no benefit in having someone join the Democrats only when he needs to,then going back to his original plan,NO

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:56 AM

67. What Part of "YOU ARE TOO OLD" Does Bernie Not Understand?

 

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Response to DoctorJoJo (Reply #67)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:06 AM

79. Huh? I wish I had Bernie's fitness.

Bernie is probably fitter than a whole lot of people his age. Age is a number.... If he's fit enough and we'll enough then why not?

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Response to DoctorJoJo (Reply #67)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:12 AM

86. Warren is eight years younger than Bernie...

 

...one of the many reasons I lean toward Warren as my pick for President at this time.

It's a long campaign ahead, and I am happy to hear from all Democratic candidates.

-app

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Response to DoctorJoJo (Reply #67)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:24 AM

98. Is that TOO OLD to contribute?

Enough with the damn ageism. I’m 71 and not TOO OLD.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #98)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:50 PM

139. Well, I'm Bernie's Age, and I'M Too Old! He'd Be 80 the Year He Took Office!

 

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:08 AM

81. Good points!

He can make outstanding contributions.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #81)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:26 PM

181. but will he?

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:08 AM

82. Good points!

I'm not thinking Bernie will get all that far this time. There's too much bench strength at this point. We have some really good candidates in the race - all imperfect in one or another area - but all several orders of magnitude superior to Trump (and Pence).

Not everyone here will agree with me, but in 2016, Bernie and his group forced the Democratic platform a bit left, and I see that as a very good thing.

Now, with both he and Warren in the race, we have automatically elevated the dialog around real kitchen table issues of economic justice, and we have other candidates who are really strong and will force the dialog to include social justice. This is a really great field.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #82)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:14 AM

87. Exactly. nt

 

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #82)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:20 AM

96. Yes it did and we are the party for the people.

I completely agree with you and the OP.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:12 AM

85. Ind #1 re-election. nt

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:14 AM

88. To pull the discussion left, YES. For president, NO

I like Bernie, but let's face it, we don't need another crusty old white guy at the helm.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:16 AM

90. Yep. This is a different time and we are in a different place as a country than we were then.

Ater two years of Trump Bernie's message is more welcome...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #90)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:27 PM

182. And if he isn't the nominee will his fanatics fuck us like they did last time?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #182)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:34 PM

183. I'm not referring to his "fanatics." They were considered so then but now his ideas seem just

mainstream Dem (except for Amy K.'s demurral on college tuition for all). I think Bernie's ideas are more mainstream now. People have gotten used to them and after two years of Trump are seeing the good things that Bernie was promoting.

I consider this to be a good development. What a difference two years make!

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #183)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:43 PM

186. My question still stands

If Sanders isn't the nominee, will his followers seek revenge again by sabotaging the primary winner?

I'm just trying to reconcile how someone could be a Sanders Democrat and love his policies and anti-Wall Street rhetoric only to turn into a Trump Democrat at the flip of a switch...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #186)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:51 PM

187. Not sure they have remained a static group. Times change and most, if not all, have changed with the

I live in CT where there are plenty of Bernistas (I was one but not a fanatic, I voted for HRC in the general but Bernie in the primary, because I wanted his ideas to prevail in the Dem Party). We were a civilized lot. My husband was HRC all the way but wasn't upset that I voted for Bernie in the CT primary.

This might not be a bad idea for some progressive media types to investigate. Talk to some former Bernistas and ask them how they have changed, if any. My guess is the mindset of 2016 re Bernie is by and large now outdated -- not totally gone, of course, but not what we thought it was in 2016.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #187)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:59 PM

189. Hell, I voted for Sanders in the primary

But the Sanders crowd was such a turn-off and laughably tone-deaf on matters of race I held my nose while doing it.

And seeing what the Sanders crowd is saying about Kamala doesn't bode well for their chances... But it's not like they'd listen to me anyway (which is tragic, since if they did he could very well be POTUS right now)

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #189)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:07 PM

190. So maybe today's Bernistas are different from the old ones?

It's kind of stupid that the new ones are dissing Kamala (who I support).

My view: been there, done that with Bernie. We've moved on. The party has moved on. We are much too excited tohave all the women running to care much about Bernie. For one thing, he's too old and I say that as an old person myself. But we've moved on. We now have the distinct possibility of a woman president, a monumental first in this country. That, coupled with the Trump disaster, gives our movement new energy and commitment: we smell success for our efforts.

I'm psyched!

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #190)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:10 PM

191. Not if Twitter is any indication n/t

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #191)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:12 PM

192. I'm too old to care about Twitter...maybe I should, but I don't.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:17 AM

92. I Want His Ideas Out There!

I am glad he is a candidate. I want his voice out there. We need him to defend Medicare for All and Free College and on other issues. The primary is about issues. This is the value of his candidacy. I will vote for whoever is the nominee from our party. It is good to have voices from The Left, The Left has been squished and battered in this country, that is why things are so tipping to The Right.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:18 AM

94. The GOP is loving Bernie...

 

...for bringing back the bitter 2016 infighting that got Trump elected.

Hillary fans would be tempted to boycott Bernie if he actually won the nomination. Most wouldn't be immature enough to do that -- like the Bernie-or-Busters did -- but they'll sure as hell fight to defeat him in the primary.

If Bernie loses the primary, his hardcore fans will boycott ANY other Democratic Nominee again. That's not just my opinion; They were posting that several months ago.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:20 AM

95. The drawback of a Bernie candidacy...

...is that many DU discussion threads will deteriorate into nasty catfights with behaviors more befitting conservative trolls in tone and logic. I'm dreading this.

Sometimes I think it's better to take a break from DU rather than live through these divisive battles.

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Response to SpankMe (Reply #95)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:40 PM

184. What gets me are the "purists"

I voted for Hillary, just to get that out of the way.

However I support Bernie's issues and values.

Anyone remember Joe Lieberman? He was always a "Democrat" but a traitor to my core issues and values.
The reason I am a Democrat is because of my values.


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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:22 AM

97. I would be lying if I said I don't see the benefits of Bernie running

Medicare for All is something he campaigned on in 2016 and now most Democratic candidates have called for some form of Medicare for All in their platforms.

More importantly than already getting at each other's throats about how great or evil Bernie is is to realize that no Democratic president will be able to get anything done without a US Senate in Democratic hands. Good luck to all the candidates and let's focus on getting the most we can out of a future Congress by voting in higher numbers than in any other US election in history.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:27 AM

101. During the 2016 primary

I blocked a good many DU posters for their ruthless, petty, "mean girl" snark about Sanders.

I've never gone back to un-block them.

Threads like this have given me a whole new set of blockees.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #101)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:13 PM

134. + about ten thousand

fully ignored

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:28 AM

102. I want to see sanders' tax returns

Senator Harris released 10 years of tax returns when she announced. Where are sanders' tax returns

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:28 AM

103. i have a real problem with bernie running

it has nothing to do with his stand on the issues. it has to do with him not being a democrat

he's only a democrat when its convenient for him. he wasnt one before he ran in 2016. after he lost he wasnt one again. and yet now he wants to run as one...



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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:28 AM

104. Go Bernie....

GO AWAY

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:31 AM

106. Or his voters will just embrace Trump

When he complains that the primary was rigged by the DNC after he loses fair and square.

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Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:36 AM

110. NO

 

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:45 AM

118. As long as he and his followers pledge to fully support the nominee, if he does not win

it is fine.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #118)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:48 PM

145. I don't think we get to set that requirement

His followers are pretty much free to support to do what they want.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #145)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:29 PM

150. And they can be freely kicked out of the DU if they choose not to comply

Works for me.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #150)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:34 PM

151. OH we are just talking about DU

Yea I suppose so.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:55 AM

121. Until he (A) releases his full tax returns (B) pledges to become and remain a D *permanently*,

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(including any reelection bid for his Senate seat in VT, and including a pledge to share mailing/donor lists and other data with the party), and (C) pledges to leave the race if and when it becomes mathematically improbable for him to win and to immediately and wholeheartedly support the D nominee in the general,

he can fuck off.

He has a lot to atone for from 2016.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:01 PM

125. Bernie broadbrushes legislation. It's annoying

Bernie could have done a lot of good by NOT running and kept true to his values. He could have influenced all the candidates. Now they will most likely need to distance themselves because Republicans are going to hit hard on the “socialist” bullshit.

He will not win, of course, he’s using his political capital to keep eyes on his core reforms, and “ideas” to the forefront. Healthcare, labor, and tax reform have been on the Democratic platform for a longtime. Bernie is a master at taking credit for these things because his message is simple and repeatable

If he dismisses social justice as “”identity politics” again he’s toast, before he ever gets started.


I’ve been sick for days, not happy to check in to this news, but it was expected.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:11 PM

132. I agree 100%. Bernie has strengthened the progressive movement immensely over the course of his

career by effectively discrediting the "radical left" arguments of the right and even so-called moderates/centrists. His voice is important to building on the recent progress made on this within our great party in 2020 and beyond.

Frankly, I don't think Bernie has a chance of winning the nomination in 2020. I really don't think he does either. This is about keeping the pedal to the metal on economic justice issues in America and in our party (because when it comes right down to it, economic justice is pretty much dependent on the Democratic Party -- for the GOP, it's not even a consideration).

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:12 PM

133. Bernie will keep the campaign honest

This primary is looking healthy already.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:15 PM

135. This is how Republicans win, divide and concur.

We get hung up over a title, what s/he said about a candidate, is a certain candidate black enough, etc? As long as when the rubber hits the road, we aren't so angry that we don't vote at all OR vote for a third party candidate, that would definitely ensure a win for Trump.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:11 PM

140. Excellent analysis!

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:11 PM

144. Just about all of our candidates have the same voting record. The problem with Sanders and others...

...is that they bash identity politics in one sentence and want to talk about the "white working class" in the next sentence. Sanders also bashes his Democratic peers and constantly sticks his foot in his mouth with regard to issues of race and sex.

Sanders has no path to victory and wouldn't be a VP selection, nor does he need to boost his public profile. Plus, other candidates who appeal to his constituency will be in the race. I'm not sure why he's running beyond ego.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:58 PM

147. ...

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:07 PM

155. As long as he doesn't continually attack the party like he did before fine.

There is a way to promote your ideas without attacking the party you are running for.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:33 PM

161. Voter registration drives on college campuses

Sanders has an appeal to the youth vote, or at least he did in 2016

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:08 PM

168. I like hearing what he has to say.

He should be heard for sure. He should be considered as V.P.

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:41 PM

185. Thank you, appal_jack! +100

🙏

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 10:31 AM

197. I also like Warrens POV's..

 

Tulsis anti-war campaign also interests me - the debates should be very good this go around..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #197)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 11:05 AM

199. We are going to have some kick ass debates this time. Can't wait.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #199)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 11:10 AM

200. You got that right..

 

Ojeda dropping out maybe made things a bit more civil, because he was gonna bring some serious intensity.. but the current crop will give us some seriously substantive & policy driven discussions.. not that the media won't try to drive some wedges/ gutter politics & bring in the nonsensical fluff into the fold.. we can count on them for that - it's always about the horse race/drama with them..

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Response to appal_jack (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 01:15 PM

203. I see no benefit at all...personally. I think it will only cause division which we don't need.

And we need a candidate that can appeal to moderates as well as progressives who gave us the house in 18...it is our reality.

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