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Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:28 PM

The real reason Manafort willing to serve 24 years...

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Thread) About Manafort

My guess: He's not reckless, and he isn't stupid enough to think a pardon will save him.

So why can't he tell the truth?

I think it's helpful to remember a few things about the nature of the criminal enterprise.

1/ Trump and Manafort are not the top of the international criminal enterprise.

In a 1-27-2011 lecture—given while Mueller was FBI director—he talked about a new kind of organized crime threatening the US.

Today’s mobsters have gone international.
The Evolving Organized Crime Threat
Citizens Crime Commission of New York
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/speeches/the-evolving-organized-crime-threat
2/ They're “iron triangles” consisting of (1) organized criminals (2) corrupt government official, and (3) business leaders.

And they pose a signifiant security threat.

They're also cornering the international market on natural gas & oil (which explains climate change denial).
3/ They infiltrate US businesses, and try to manipulate people at the highest levels of government.

Motivated by greed, they sell to the highest bidder and will stop at nothing to make money.
4/ Mueller explained that by 2011, the FBI was developing a long-term strategy for dismantling these enterprises, including Threat Focus Cells to target mobsters like Semion Mogilevich—who he said was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list.
4/ Mogilevich— “Russia’s top crime boss”—has ties to Trump Tower.👇

Mogilevich’s operative David Bogatin bought 5 condos in Trump Tower for $6 million cash. 1,300 Trump-branded condos were sold in all cash purchases to anonymous shell companies.
Understanding Trump vs. Bruce Ohr: Think Russia’s top crime boss, Semion Mogilevich
Amidst President Donald Trump’s ongoing threats to revoke security clearances from various critics, perhaps the most mysterious person on his enemy
https://www.justsecurity.org/60528/understanding-pres-trump-vs-bruce-ohr-russias-top-crime-boss-semion-mogilevich/
5/ Mogilevich got rich stealing from Russians and scamming Americans. He's also one of Russia's most powerful oligarchs.

Russian oligarchs, don't forget, are Manafort's buddies and clients.

From Manafort's guilty plea:
Document: Superseding Criminal Information Against Paul Manafort
The special counsel's office has filed a superseding criminal information in the case against Paul Manafort. The document is available here and below. The plea agreement and statement of offense are …
https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-superseding-criminal-information-against-paul-manafort
6/ Manafort conspired with Gates and Konstantin Kilimnik to act (and acted) as an agent of the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions—the pro-Putin party—between at least 2006 and 2015.

Kilimnik is another Russian oligarch. Manafort's buddy.
7/ We all know what happens to people who rat on Russian oligarchs—and do their families. I never believed Manafort, who cares about his family, was really going to rat on his Russian buddies.

But Mueller is confident Manafort is lying, which means Mueller knows the truth.
8/ And Mueller is after something bigger (and more dangerous) than either Manafort or Trump.

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Reply The real reason Manafort willing to serve 24 years... (Original post)
pbmus Feb 15 OP
WheelWalker Feb 15 #1
50 Shades Of Blue Feb 15 #2
PeeJ52 Feb 15 #10
50 Shades Of Blue Feb 15 #13
guillaumeb Feb 15 #3
Hoyt Feb 15 #4
pbmus Feb 15 #8
KPN Feb 16 #24
ms liberty Feb 15 #5
FM123 Feb 15 #6
dlk Feb 15 #7
Dan Feb 15 #12
Kitchari Feb 15 #9
pbmus Feb 15 #11
Kitchari Feb 15 #17
MelissaB Feb 15 #14
Lonestarblue Feb 15 #18
MelissaB Feb 16 #25
mac56 Feb 15 #15
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 15 #16
Achilleaze Feb 16 #37
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 16 #38
certainot Feb 15 #19
liberaltrucker Feb 16 #27
certainot Feb 16 #31
zaj Feb 15 #20
Mme. Defarge Feb 15 #21
orangecrush Feb 16 #22
bluestarone Feb 16 #23
sharedvalues Feb 16 #26
world wide wally Feb 16 #28
LiberalFighter Feb 16 #29
RAAD2 Feb 16 #30
Cha Feb 16 #34
wiggs Feb 16 #32
MFM008 Feb 16 #33
Nevermypresident Feb 16 #35
Achilleaze Feb 16 #36
BSdetect Feb 16 #39
JudyM Feb 16 #40
Pluvious Feb 16 #41
FakeNoose Feb 16 #42

Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:30 PM

1. Yep.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:34 PM

2. I'm honestly surprised Manafort is still sentient.

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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:48 PM

10. Does sentient mean alive?

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Response to PeeJ52 (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:13 PM

13. It means not brain dead from a special Russian cocktail...

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:36 PM

3. Recommended.

Manafort has no integrity, but he is aware of the danger of crossing Putin.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:37 PM

4. So trump is just a poor victim?

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:40 PM

8. No, just a greedy fucking real estate whore...part time reality show actor

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Response to pbmus (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 12:31 AM

24. +111111!

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:38 PM

5. K&R. n/t

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:39 PM

6. Yep!

Manafort has a law degree from Georgetown, he is not stupid or ignorant - he must be scared of something / someone to keep doing what he does....

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:40 PM

7. In Conspiracies this Far-Reaching, There is Always More to the Story

Without a doubt, Manafort fears what the Russians would do, not just to him, but to his family, as well. Mueller’s specialty is prosecuting organized crime. There is much more to come with this investigation.

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Response to dlk (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:49 PM

12. Okay, given what Manafort probably knows,

Prison is not going to protect him.

If what is said is true, then Manafort knows too much ...

And, if the Court decides to take between $24M to $28M from him (and family), then there is nothing left.

I have to wonder if the Russian mob will send him a message - of what he needs to do.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:47 PM

9. The FBI.gov link in the thread

contains Mueller's 2011 speech showing his awareness of "multinational, multi-billion dollar" criminal gangs--He's known for A LONG TIME what we have recently realized

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Response to Kitchari (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:48 PM

11. Exactly....and Welcome to DU

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Response to pbmus (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:21 PM

17. Thanks, pbmus!

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Response to Kitchari (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:13 PM

14. Does anyone have a link to Mueller's speech on video?

I know I saw it many months ago and was telling my husband about it.

I'd love a link if anyone has it handy.

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:27 PM

18. I think this is the Mueller speech mentioned here.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 01:06 AM

25. Yes, that's the speech. I'm looking for the video.

I could have sworn I've seen it.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:17 PM

15. K & R

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:18 PM

16. looks like GOPer elixir

This has all the ingredients needed to explain Moscow Mitch and the Russiapublicans.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:49 AM

37. #MoscowMitch and the #Russiapublicans - Traitors to America

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #37)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 10:48 AM

38. Deripaska and the Senate Russiapublicans are best buddies (nt)

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:27 PM

19. they need to put trump on suicide watch

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Response to certainot (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 01:12 AM

27. Or provide the cyanide

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Response to liberaltrucker (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 01:20 AM

31. he has stories to tell

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:40 PM

20. Holy crap, I'm 4 tweets in and both relieved and terrified.

Mueller is way ahead of us, and the GOP has been lost to a global mob enterprise.

WTF!

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:50 PM

21. So what happens if the take-down is successful?

Will their funds be frozen? Can they be taken into custody, prosecuted and sent to prison? If so, by whom?

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 12:11 AM

22. K&R

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 12:26 AM

23. KICK

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 01:09 AM

26. Let's not get too conspiratorial. Manafort-Putin is enough.

Yes, it's true that in Putin's Russia, oligarchs and corporations and the spy services all do crimes and use money to buy Western interests.
Yes, it's true that Manafort is likely a Russian asset.
Yes, it's true that Putin attacked America by using money; American oligarchs have as much in common with Russian billionaires and Putin as they do with American workers.

But we don't have to go farther than that. Maybe Mogilevitch is involved in election hacking. Or maybe not.

But we KNOW everyone in Russia reports up to Putin. And we have two links:
Trump -> Manafort -> Kilimnik -> GRU -> Putin
And
Putin -> Peskov/oligarchs -> Moscow Tower dangle -> Cohen -> Trump

That's collusion we know about. Let's not get too speculative about crime bosses and the mob until we get new real info about them.

There's enough bad stuff between Putin and Trump.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 01:16 AM

28. As much of a squirel Manaforts is, I think it was threats to his family that makes him want to do it

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 01:18 AM

29. corrupt government official McConnell

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 01:19 AM

30. Putin Is The Don

 

Not the orsnge menace.

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Response to RAAD2 (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 03:31 AM

34. I would say so.. who's the whipped one

here?

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 01:35 AM

32. What are the chances Manafort is doing both...lying for show and cooperating with

Mueller at the same time?

Wouldn't it make sense that Manafort publicly makes a show of NOT cooperating, thereby extending his life perhaps, while at the same time helping Manafort bring down the cabal that threatens him the most? Who chooses life in prison when offered lesser deals?

Didn't Trump tell friends that if Manafort flipped Trump would be in big trouble? Manafort must have the goods....

Manafort enters into plea agreement, then Mueller and Manafort decide that the best way forward is to not let the public know that he's cooperating...then the story is that Manafort broke the plea agreement. If Manafort isn't needed for trial testimony, he could work behind the scenes and answer Mueller questions...point Mueller in right directions...and live for a bit in high security prison while the world thinks he's a loyal Putin/Trump hack?

Why didn't DOJ pursue the pretty big remaining count that the jury was hung on? And weren't there other state indictments that were dropped?

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 02:54 AM

33. He must have had

Reliable assurances maggot will pardon him.
I believe maggot will pardon every single criminal
Involved in the Mueller investigation from Mike Flynn to Russians.
Hes crazy enough to do it.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:28 AM

35. IMO, our MSM has not delved enough into transnational crime (and trump's role in it). Most

adult Americans are familiar the old Gambino, Columbo, etc. italian mobs operating in the U.S., but are clueless about the current transnational mobs (think mobsters without borders).

Not only is it terrifying, but it helps to connect the dots. Don the Con was certainly not smart enough to be a Mogilevich but has been a willing and enthusiastic participant, i.e. moneylaundering their dirty money.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:47 AM

36. US media needs to get off their knees and tell these stories

k and r

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 11:00 AM

39. The weakest link (in the defense against such gangs) is corruption of Govt. officials / bureaucrats.

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 02:52 PM

40. Right on. And the lack of conflict of interest rules for Congress and the Supremes plays right into

that.... Until we get a grip on the integrity of our government and elections, our country - and planet - will continue slipping into oblivion. Isn’t that a pleasant thought for a Saturday...

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 02:53 PM

41. We are SO god damned fortunate Al Franken caught Sessions in...

We are SO god damned fortunate Al Franken caught Sessions in the lie that led to Rosenstein being able to appoint Mueller.

That last line...

This whole mess is runs deep.
Way bigger than just Manafort and Comrade Combover...

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 03:03 PM

42. K & R bookmarking

There's a lot to read here and I'm gonna save this for tomorrow.
Thanks for posting this! It's all interesting stuff.


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