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crimson77

(305 posts)
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:25 PM Aug 2012

Flipside: What is the worst city you ever visited and why?

Mine is Gary,Indiana. Our car broke down on our way to South Dakota, I had to walk 2 miles to a working payphone(before cells). I was 16 and absolutley petrified, everything was broken down.

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Flipside: What is the worst city you ever visited and why? (Original Post) crimson77 Aug 2012 OP
NYC. Dirty and noisy. n/t RebelOne Aug 2012 #1
When's the last time you were there? It's clean and full of life. Noisy, yep, part of the charm. HERVEPA Aug 2012 #28
12 years ago, the subways smelled like urine every single day. tridim Aug 2012 #80
I go up to NYC from Philadelphia 5 or 6 times a year HERVEPA Aug 2012 #172
I ride the subway almost every day and they don't smell like urine Renew Deal Aug 2012 #241
New York is great - yes it's dirty and noisy, but it's also the most alive, exciting smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #52
REally its cleaner than the smaller cities north of it. ... Historic NY Aug 2012 #77
Most large cities I have been to are noisy and relatively dirty KurtNYC Aug 2012 #164
New York was an extraordinary experience for me Herlong Aug 2012 #282
This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Aug 2012 #240
Seriously?? Have you been to Europe?! WinkyDink Aug 2012 #262
I've never had a bad time in NYC.... steve2470 Aug 2012 #323
East St Louis. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #2
I agree. We got lost, trying for a short cut...1970's. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #5
Never stop your car in East St. Louis. liberal N proud Aug 2012 #6
Excellent advise. pintobean Aug 2012 #51
Kids, you noticing all this plight? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #136
LOL-I had forgotten that scene. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #243
Oh geez! Jazzgirl Aug 2012 #288
East St Louis... roamer65 Aug 2012 #306
Yes dems_rightnow Aug 2012 #334
Newark. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2012 #3
I've heard Cory Booker has really done wonder for Newark. Terra Alta Aug 2012 #7
I have been to Newark on the Amtrak crimson77 Aug 2012 #10
Anyone who says "Newark" hasn't been to Jersey City. J/S. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #263
LOLOL!!!! Jazzgirl Aug 2012 #289
Dayton, Ohio Lebam in LA Aug 2012 #4
I second that AnnieBW Aug 2012 #31
Yes, Dayton spinbaby Aug 2012 #47
I liven in Dayton Ohio for a few months in 1978 whilegoing to grad school @ UD. MarianJack Aug 2012 #106
Dayton's gritty, but it has heart. n/t rucky Aug 2012 #155
Gary, Newark, East St Louis, Buffalo and Detroit liberal N proud Aug 2012 #8
The city I live in Floyd_Gondolli Aug 2012 #9
yet they seem proud of the very stuff that makes me hate dallas. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2012 #255
Flipside of what? DURHAM D Aug 2012 #11
I started a thread earlier about most beautiful city. crimson77 Aug 2012 #14
ubud bali DonRedwood Aug 2012 #90
Camden, NJ. nc4bo Aug 2012 #12
Camden was frightening Freddie Aug 2012 #45
My vote goes for Camden, NJ. Eons and eons ago it was bad, haven't been there for RKP5637 Aug 2012 #56
I drive through Camden everyday... tallahasseedem Aug 2012 #228
Camden, New Jersey Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2012 #13
Whoa, we must just had a psychic connection. nt nc4bo Aug 2012 #15
Was thinking the same thing! Freddie Aug 2012 #42
They're averaging a murder or some sort of violent crime a day nc4bo Aug 2012 #48
I was visting Philly once high density Aug 2012 #311
Tijuana, Mexico. Cleita Aug 2012 #16
That was a few years back. Have you read The Abortion by Richard Brautigan? slackmaster Aug 2012 #19
I second that taught_me_patience Aug 2012 #27
Funny, I've been to most of these cities Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #58
Tallahassee ? steve2470 Aug 2012 #64
I chose cities that I've visited with combinations of crappy features taught_me_patience Aug 2012 #201
What's wrong with Visalia? vanlassie Aug 2012 #97
Jim Robinson UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #140
So, you condemn an ENTIRE region Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #145
That was humor. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #146
Riiiiiight. Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #149
I was just kidding. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #151
Tallahassee, huh? tallahasseedem Aug 2012 #233
I've always liked Tally steve2470 Aug 2012 #234
I'll call your Tijuana and raise... meaculpa2011 Aug 2012 #41
I've never been to Juarez, but I have heard it's even worse. n/t Cleita Aug 2012 #75
Tijuana. Please don't tell me there's worse. vanlassie Aug 2012 #93
Mexicali KurtNYC Aug 2012 #165
OMG. vanlassie Aug 2012 #171
Wife and I went on vacation to Juarez in 2007.... cbdo2007 Aug 2012 #245
Oh yeah-- that's a great one. Marr Aug 2012 #187
OMG---YES!!! WinkyDink Aug 2012 #264
Ha! Herlong Aug 2012 #285
Waco warrior1 Aug 2012 #17
Parts of Birminham, AL; Detroit, MI, and Baltimore, MD slackmaster Aug 2012 #18
Earlier in the thread I talked about Amtrak, crimson77 Aug 2012 #20
The part I stumbled on was dramatic. One block had well-maintained Victorian row houses, slackmaster Aug 2012 #22
A few blocks from the Inner Harbor is horrible poverty. kwassa Aug 2012 #24
My cousin bought and renovated several rowhouses in a part of B-more called Canton crimson77 Aug 2012 #26
Baltimore has good sections and bad sections AnnieBW Aug 2012 #32
We stayed at the Inner Harbor once DiverDave Aug 2012 #98
we had a similar experience in Baltimore Danmel Aug 2012 #131
About fifteen years ago I went to SheilaT Aug 2012 #207
I used to live in B-more, and know what you mean.... eek MD Aug 2012 #157
That can't be more than 10 blocks from the exact place I described slackmaster Aug 2012 #169
Yup, that's what I remember. Blocks and blocks of boarded-up houses in Baltimore. E-Z-B Aug 2012 #203
Yes, it's very easy to find youself in a scary place in B'more deutsey Aug 2012 #324
Forks, Washington Rainngirl Aug 2012 #21
Forks has got nothing on Aberdeen though. cemaphonic Aug 2012 #127
last time i was in aberdeen it was being bought up by rich people. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #137
They must have decided to sell. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #177
Whenever it gets hot in Seattle and they show the weather map, I think gateley Aug 2012 #252
Lol....I lived in Forks decades ago. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #330
Ogden, Utah....sorry but where we went was absolutely filthy..The nice city/county Park Ranger... Tikki Aug 2012 #23
Another for Camden, NJ n/t Earth_First Aug 2012 #25
Hays, Kansas. kwassa Aug 2012 #29
I had to work with people in Hays KS over the phone lunasun Aug 2012 #62
well, the somewhere else was ... kwassa Aug 2012 #91
My life Herlong Aug 2012 #290
I bet they are all ReThugs. nt Auntie Bush Aug 2012 #188
I dated a girl from Hays when I went to KU. tridim Aug 2012 #81
My girlfriend and I will not go there then sakabatou Aug 2012 #123
Emporia, Kansas KansDem Aug 2012 #202
Sorry to hear that and wow! Cleita Aug 2012 #239
Muleshoe, Texas gopiscrap Aug 2012 #30
Bangkok--one big unending traffic jam bbgrunt Aug 2012 #33
One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble! lunasun Aug 2012 #67
I just have to reply because I LOVE that song. :) n/t susanna Aug 2012 #117
Yep!!! Same here! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #253
Can't believe that Murray's character in the video TlalocW Aug 2012 #132
Maybe it's a joke, SnohoDem Aug 2012 #152
Longest traffic light ever jsmirman Aug 2012 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Aug 2012 #34
Detroit. al_liberal Aug 2012 #35
There's beauty even in decrepitude.... DeSwiss Aug 2012 #36
That's beautiful -- what/where is it? nt gateley Aug 2012 #284
Gary, Indiana DeSwiss Aug 2012 #291
Hauntingly sad. Thanks. I'd love to get the book. gateley Aug 2012 #313
Olongopo, Republic of the Philippines Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #37
A lot of people pintobean Aug 2012 #55
Never said I didn't have fun.. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #96
I like traveling so... AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #38
I was going to say, Murfreesboro*, Tennessee, but your answer is way cooler. FSogol Aug 2012 #40
This! Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #61
Me too. hunter Aug 2012 #79
I was once stuck in O'Hare airport over night AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #83
I was stuck in Seattle airport overnight. DiverDave Sep 2012 #336
Hoboken, NJ? UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #141
never been there.. AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #232
Not seen it lately, have you? WinkyDink Aug 2012 #265
You think I'm lying? UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #298
Naples, Florida where I live HockeyMom Aug 2012 #39
"Worst Cities in the USA" Freddie Aug 2012 #43
Newark Canuckistanian Aug 2012 #44
I was thinking of Newark too Life Long Dem Aug 2012 #191
Naples, Italy lpbk2713 Aug 2012 #46
lived there for 2 weeks with a friend-local- and loved it but lunasun Aug 2012 #73
Dade City Florida DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #49
Jersey City, NJ steve2470 Aug 2012 #50
Hey! UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #144
I thought so steve2470 Aug 2012 #147
That's why I moved here. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #150
Sorry but is that a real statue or Photoshopped ? steve2470 Aug 2012 #219
No offence taken. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #235
LMAO WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #267
I love that statue! UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #299
springfield, mo Dkc05 Aug 2012 #53
Bullhead City, AZ LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #54
I agree between that and Laughlin ugh! kimbutgar Aug 2012 #101
What a terribly divisive thread. Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #57
Well, in Camden's case it's greedpolitics and politicians which have caused so many of the problems. nc4bo Aug 2012 #63
But what about the feelings of the other people who expect but don't see their hometown on the list? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #71
Good points RZM Aug 2012 #113
Not every town has good things jeff47 Aug 2012 #116
No, I'm left coast but Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #142
Barstow's a little dusty, but the people are friendly. jeff47 Aug 2012 #170
A tie: teenagebambam Aug 2012 #59
I was there in Jerusalem for a week sakabatou Aug 2012 #122
Mogadishu, Somalia pintobean Aug 2012 #60
What the hell were you doing there? UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #153
Navy. pintobean Aug 2012 #294
Wow. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #301
San Francisco... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #65
Just about the only place in the city you can get away from it is Chinatown. I won't kelly1mm Aug 2012 #87
It was just a far cry from expectations... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #139
Good Don't Come Back Anytime Soon HangOnKids Aug 2012 #248
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #274
LOL! I Must Edit. HangOnKids Aug 2012 #279
That's not fair slutticus Aug 2012 #256
I hate San Francisco as much as the next person XemaSab Aug 2012 #280
We serve steaming hot pizza here every day at the DU. Major Hogwash Aug 2012 #318
Thank you. I had same vote. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #331
Gross... Mmm_Bacon Aug 2012 #335
Butte, Montana slampoet Aug 2012 #66
That toxic pond.... Zambero Aug 2012 #115
Lawton, Oklahoma Zambero Aug 2012 #118
Wetlake Village, California. hunter Aug 2012 #68
Really? What is wrong with Westlake Village? kwassa Aug 2012 #281
Seems like they've elected all Democrats. That's a plus! gateley Aug 2012 #286
Affluent Republican Prosperity Christians... Suffocating hunter Aug 2012 #296
Doesn't sound like the place for you. kwassa Aug 2012 #297
Also land of Elton Gallegly on the Thousand Oaks side.... hunter Aug 2012 #302
A neighbor a block away has a Camarro ... kwassa Aug 2012 #307
New York City.. opiate69 Aug 2012 #69
I heart NY! lunasun Aug 2012 #76
Bakersfield, CA alittlelark Aug 2012 #70
My dad hated it due to the weather sakabatou Aug 2012 #124
Don't remind me. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #143
Manteca, CA Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #72
Bogolusa La. cliffordu Aug 2012 #74
Dallas, Texas. tridim Aug 2012 #78
I like Chicago a lot, but Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #82
Been there, done that.. mwdem Aug 2012 #114
Chicago in January is very brrrr-tastic steve2470 Aug 2012 #249
Prague. Also the best city. Robb Aug 2012 #84
Augusta, Georgia GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #85
Phoenix, AZ. Arctic Dave Aug 2012 #86
Do tell. I lived in that shithole for too many years, but my experiences in TX put them below Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #95
We lived in Phoenix for four years SheilaT Aug 2012 #209
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Arctic Dave Aug 2012 #295
The only time I've been to Phoenix was in February, Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #303
medan sumatra DonRedwood Aug 2012 #88
You present a dilema quaker bill Aug 2012 #89
Houston, TX. Filthy, smelled it long before we saw it, the 2nd worst drivers I've ever encountered, Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #92
Hands down Tiajuana, Mexico. Cary Aug 2012 #94
Tijuana's clean...try Alexandria or Cairo tjwash Aug 2012 #100
No it isn't, and no thank you. Cary Aug 2012 #109
Revolution Boulevard has changed a lot in the last 5 years FreeState Aug 2012 #120
Okay. It has been about 15 years or so for me so I accept this too Cary Aug 2012 #174
used to travel to Cairo monthly - at least 25 trips there DrDan Aug 2012 #160
I was standing on the sea wall in Alexandria, looked down on the beach and there was a rat king DonRedwood Aug 2012 #178
It's a tie. Colorado Springs, Colorado, and Juarez, Mexico. Zorra Aug 2012 #99
Heh. You and I think alike. distantearlywarning Aug 2012 #168
Yep, and the thing is, like you, I was also in Juarez in the (early) 80's. Zorra Aug 2012 #268
I'm not a fan of Los Angeles. Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #102
+1 FreeState Aug 2012 #121
I live in Los Angeles and I agree it's a pretty shitty city. Marr Aug 2012 #192
Sometimes when where I wanted to go was a few miles away, I found Cleita Aug 2012 #273
home sweet home barbtries Aug 2012 #194
Me neither and I lived in various places within the county and city Cleita Aug 2012 #271
UCLA has a beautiful campus, and like you say, there are nice enclaves and so forth there ... Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #283
This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Aug 2012 #292
LA is good for Beaches and Food and some other stuff JI7 Aug 2012 #293
I lived in Los Angeles 17 years and really like the city and the area. kwassa Aug 2012 #300
I used to live in DC. Great town. Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #332
Memphis in August tularetom Aug 2012 #103
I once had a crush on a French Quarter bartender who was from Leesville KamaAina Aug 2012 #229
Not only visited, but lived there. frogmarch Aug 2012 #104
Atlanta, Georgia. Because of the weather. Speck Tater Aug 2012 #105
Fayeteville, North Carolina. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #107
Gulfport/Biloxi, MS. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #108
Most of the beautiful old homes along Hwy 90, which parallels the coast, were wiped out by Katrina fleur-de-lisa Aug 2012 #180
I didn't know that. JoeyT Aug 2012 #314
Buffalo, some parts of Paris. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #110
Little Rock and Miami are both pretty shitty snooper2 Aug 2012 #111
The downtown of Little Rock was OK hifiguy Aug 2012 #190
Probably Some Place in India JI7 Aug 2012 #112
a weird little boonie town in idaho that consisted of a dirt road cut through a narrow canyon HiPointDem Aug 2012 #119
That's most of the towns in the middle of the state jmowreader Aug 2012 #316
really? most of the towns in central idaho look like that one i saw? weird. i would like to see HiPointDem Aug 2012 #320
There are three towns in south Idaho that still have one telephone line for the whole community jmowreader Aug 2012 #333
Port Au Prince limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #125
Port Au Prince is heartbreaking but... tosh Aug 2012 #329
Limerick wickerwoman Aug 2012 #126
El Paso, TX Quantess Aug 2012 #129
Portland, Oregon hfojvt Aug 2012 #130
Is Portland the ONLY city you've ever been to? Nostradammit Aug 2012 #238
Someone tried to run my DH down in NC! I know a state not a city let me explain Heather MC Aug 2012 #133
I've done a lot of travelling and I can't honestly think of a city that I hated. Every city has... Locut0s Aug 2012 #134
Durham, NC, when the tobacco warehouses were full Warpy Aug 2012 #135
Fresno - nuff said. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #138
Ditto on Fresno roamer65 Aug 2012 #304
Detroit, MI BlueinOhio Aug 2012 #148
Celebration, FL rucky Aug 2012 #154
Detroit, MI, hands down! mfcorey1 Aug 2012 #211
I'm with you. Central FL - Ground-Zero for Zombie Reagan values. See #276. leveymg Aug 2012 #278
Houston: Governor of Texas, George W Bush, & Mayor of Houston sued Feds to stop clean air act twins.fan Aug 2012 #156
When was that? LTX Aug 2012 #181
Mid nineties, back when W was Governor of Texas twins.fan Aug 2012 #200
Houston is also my worst city. SheilaT Aug 2012 #210
I noticed that too! One accompanying characteristic was cheap home prices twins.fan Aug 2012 #322
Trona, California. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #158
Orlando, FL Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #159
I would never nominate Orlando as the most beautiful city in the world, however.... steve2470 Aug 2012 #250
Midland/Odessa,TX JCMach1 Aug 2012 #161
Boston. Nearly everyone was rude and unfriendly. Shrek Aug 2012 #162
Boston is the bomb-diggity crimson77 Aug 2012 #173
I visited in mid-May Shrek Aug 2012 #176
Shamrock Texas. hobbit709 Aug 2012 #163
I'm betting that was actually a tornado shelter. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #244
Sign said bomb shelter-looked like it was built in the late 50's. hobbit709 Aug 2012 #246
Mazatlan Mexico otohara Aug 2012 #166
That would have to be Ciudad Juarez, Mexico distantearlywarning Aug 2012 #167
I grew up in the Springs Nostradammit Aug 2012 #242
Any city in the northern half of Utah. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #175
Utah has some terribly unattractive cities. I really don't know why. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #183
It's the rugged individualist ethos. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #195
I have to agree. Lived near Ogden, attended college there for a little while-- TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #196
i was disappointed in Nashville. barbtries Aug 2012 #179
Now I am going to win this: Boxcar Willie Aug 2012 #182
Atlantic City feels like the best place anywhere - closeupready Aug 2012 #214
Yeah Boxcar Willie Aug 2012 #328
Detroit, hands down. hifiguy Aug 2012 #184
Funny About Detriot On the Road Aug 2012 #266
So, So many to choose from…. FAHQ69_7 Aug 2012 #185
Charleston and Savannah--two beautiful, walkable gems of cities. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #189
Thank you for your opinion enjoy visiting the places, I will never go back to either place. FAHQ69_7 Aug 2012 #193
So many to choose Brewinblue Aug 2012 #224
The entire thread does not make any sense FAHQ69_7 Aug 2012 #236
San Jose, Costa Rica. Marr Aug 2012 #186
Riyadh Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #197
It's also 115 degrees, but a dry 115 degrees. crimson77 Aug 2012 #204
Panama City, Panama. Scabies n/t librechik Aug 2012 #198
Bakersfield wins, and Houston comes next quinnox Aug 2012 #199
Seattle, WA... cynatnite Aug 2012 #205
No! Say it ain't so! Next time I'll be your tour guide. :-) gateley Aug 2012 #254
I needed a tour guide... cynatnite Aug 2012 #257
Was it also your last time here? gateley Aug 2012 #272
Yes... cynatnite Aug 2012 #275
NYC in 1970. Greybnk48 Aug 2012 #206
Nashville gadgets505 Aug 2012 #208
I gotta say... slutticus Aug 2012 #260
Chung Qing China, No US city or Mexican city is this bad. broiles Aug 2012 #212
Probably Warsaw. Got a nosebleed from the air pollution; closeupready Aug 2012 #213
Not all their fault, of course RZM Aug 2012 #215
Good points. It was known as Paris of the East (Europe) closeupready Aug 2012 #223
Weirton, WV - nasty nasty nasty 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #216
since others have multiple entries, here's one more: Barrow Alaska steve2470 Aug 2012 #217
Most people are picking vast poverty-riddled places dmallind Aug 2012 #218
Hmm, if I had to pick one Broken_Hero Aug 2012 #220
Forgot to add my why, Broken_Hero Aug 2012 #221
I rode my bicycle through Picher back in the '70s, Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #317
Yep, Broken_Hero Aug 2012 #325
Champagne/Urbana, IL Brewinblue Aug 2012 #222
There certainly is something to do in C-U AngryAmish Aug 2012 #225
That's all I could think of. Brewinblue Aug 2012 #226
correct, nothing to do because most go home on the weekends - closeupready Aug 2012 #230
Nanchang, China get the red out Aug 2012 #227
Oakland (which also happens to be my hometown). Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #231
i love oakland slutticus Aug 2012 #261
The Oakland Hills and adjacent Piedmont rival anything in SF in terms of beauty and scenic splendor spiderpig Aug 2012 #287
Marianna, Florida Laochtine Aug 2012 #237
Thermopolis, Wyoming. Aristus Aug 2012 #247
Probably some soulless suburb or exurb somewhere YoungDemCA Aug 2012 #251
I'm shocked at some folks. jehop61 Aug 2012 #258
most people here haven't traveled outside usa it seems... NuttyFluffers Aug 2012 #259
I Don't Know to Say This, On the Road Aug 2012 #269
This message was self-deleted by its author On the Road Aug 2012 #269
Orlando, FL. leveymg Aug 2012 #276
The one I lived in for the past several years...thank goodness no more... rateyes Aug 2012 #277
I am moving to Downtown Detroit jpbollma Aug 2012 #305
This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Aug 2012 #308
IMHO, best American large city I have seen is Seattle. roamer65 Aug 2012 #309
it *used* to be a nice working class town. now it's yuppie central with all its quirks commer- HiPointDem Aug 2012 #319
Subjective, but Charlotte, NC - It's Stepford-like SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2012 #310
There are several places I've lived that Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2012 #312
Terre Haute, Indiana........ mrmpa Aug 2012 #315
Yangon and Bago, Burma/Myanmar agentS Aug 2012 #321
Lima, Peru tblue Aug 2012 #326
Miraflores is pretty nice. crimson77 Aug 2012 #327
 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
28. When's the last time you were there? It's clean and full of life. Noisy, yep, part of the charm.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:09 PM
Aug 2012

tridim

(45,358 posts)
80. 12 years ago, the subways smelled like urine every single day.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:20 PM
Aug 2012

I lived in Queens and worked in the city for a year.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
172. I go up to NYC from Philadelphia 5 or 6 times a year
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 10:33 AM
Aug 2012

Always ride the subway. Seldom is there a urine smell. And the array of cultural things to partake of is almost endless.

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
241. I ride the subway almost every day and they don't smell like urine
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:32 PM
Aug 2012

Of course, maybe these are different stops.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
52. New York is great - yes it's dirty and noisy, but it's also the most alive, exciting
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:24 PM
Aug 2012

city in the world. You don't have the sense that it's a decaying city like you do in so many other cities in this country. If you didn't enjoy New York, you didn't really know where to go to really enjoy the city.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
164. Most large cities I have been to are noisy and relatively dirty
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 08:17 AM
Aug 2012

NYC is like a party every day. You can talk to anyone. Start a conversation in the middle -- not 'hi my name is..' but rather "did you see that guy almost get hit by that cab?! Yeah, and he doesn't even know it, still texting away'

Free concerts, free movies, free street entertainment, great food, great people, great energy and, rent aside, not all that expensive a place to live since you don't need a car and food is cheap (especially in Brooklyn).

Response to RebelOne (Reply #1)

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
262. Seriously?? Have you been to Europe?!
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:18 PM
Aug 2012

NYC is CLEAN! No dog poop; no litter; and the only "noise" is traffic! Man, if you can't take traffic noise........

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
323. I've never had a bad time in NYC....
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 08:39 AM
Aug 2012

I've been to NYC several times between 1964 and 2009, and not once have I had a bad time. Yes, it's not Disneyland but no one expects that. It's vibrant, exciting, entertaining, a tad exotic to someone like me, and probably a great place to live if you find the right place.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
2. East St Louis.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:26 PM
Aug 2012

Or possibly Washington DC in the early 90's. (Gary probably has nothing on Southeast DC.)

Jazzgirl

(3,744 posts)
288. Oh geez!
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:41 PM
Aug 2012

I was gonna post East St. Louis too! You couldn't pay me to go to that shit hole!! That is the scariest, nastiest place I have ever been. It's really strange when all the police cars have at least one busted headlight. Very dangerous shitty city.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
306. East St Louis...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:12 PM
Aug 2012

I remember driving thru it on the freeway at night in late 1980's. Most houses were dark, very very few lights...in contrast to the MO side...it was scary and I couln't wait to get out of the area.

dems_rightnow

(1,956 posts)
334. Yes
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 07:21 PM
Aug 2012

I have a cousin that is a US Marshall in East St Louis. He volunteered for a 6 month stint in Afghanistan, and he felt MUCH safer there.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
3. Newark.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:27 PM
Aug 2012

It's been awhile since I was there, and maybe it's better now, but it just seemed run-down and cruddy.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
7. I've heard Cory Booker has really done wonder for Newark.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:34 PM
Aug 2012

Granted, I've never been, but I've heard he's really turned the city around.

 

crimson77

(305 posts)
10. I have been to Newark on the Amtrak
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:43 PM
Aug 2012

We were stopped on the Amtrak, I got off and asked the conductor how long we were going to be there, he told me about 40 minutes. I asked him if I could go grab some dinner and be back. He advised me against it.

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
47. Yes, Dayton
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:05 PM
Aug 2012

I spent a weekend in a hotel in downtown Dayton once for a meeting. I went outside in the middle of the day on Saturday to see what was going on and there was no one there. I mean, the whole damn town was shut down and the only people I saw were a few people huddled around a bus stop. There was this giant bankruptcy court building. It was eerie and depressing.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
106. I liven in Dayton Ohio for a few months in 1978 whilegoing to grad school @ UD.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:36 PM
Aug 2012

One word about the city. BOOOOOOORING!

Kettering was OK, but if I never go to Dayton again it'll be too soon.

PEACE!

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
8. Gary, Newark, East St Louis, Buffalo and Detroit
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:37 PM
Aug 2012

Tough choice for worst. Make living where the sun don't shine (Cleveland) look bright.

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
9. The city I live in
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:39 PM
Aug 2012

Its full of knuckle dragging tea party fundies and everyone worships at the altar of large energy corporations. Their leaders, including one who has been in the news lately for being reckless with his company's money, are treated like Gods by the locals.

It's basically a big concrete slab in the middle of Oklahoma almost completely devoid of expansive green space.

As far as cities I've visited it's Dallas. Literally hotter than hell in the summer and is also devoid of scenery. It also has spectacular traffic problems.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
12. Camden, NJ.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:45 PM
Aug 2012

Hubby's family still in Jersey warn to never EVER go there after dark.

Thanks Piggy Christie.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
45. Camden was frightening
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:02 PM
Aug 2012

Long before Christie came along
Went to Temple U back in the 70s and had lots of friends in the Jersey suburbs which meant driving thru Camden--quickly--with the doors locked.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
56. My vote goes for Camden, NJ. Eons and eons ago it was bad, haven't been there for
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:28 PM
Aug 2012

decades and from what I hear it's still bad.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
48. They're averaging a murder or some sort of violent crime a day
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:12 PM
Aug 2012

if not, it's awful close.

Forget about property thefts, probably worse than that.

Used to go through there too, dated a guy in Camden, had a friend in Collingswood and another not far from Ferry Ave - that was decades ago and I've never felt the fear of going through or visiting there. Never had any one tell me don't even drop someone off or drive through because it's not safe.

It's very, very bad. Piggy Christie basically gutted funding for police and fire departments and now there is chaos and death.

high density

(13,397 posts)
311. I was visting Philly once
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:31 AM
Aug 2012

and rode PATCO over to visit Battleship New Jersey. This appeared to be a better part of town but definitely still quite sad.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
16. Tijuana, Mexico.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:48 PM
Aug 2012

It's just a dirty border town where everything can be had for a price. I went there with family who were looking to get some good deals on stuff. Second time I went there was to help a friend get an abortion at a time when they were illegal here. I've never been back there since then. I know the rest of Mexico is not like this place. It's the American sin trade that makes it a dirty border town.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
27. I second that
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:08 PM
Aug 2012

a complete dump that I don't even like to drive through. Although Juarez is probably worse, I've only seen it from the El Paso border... never actually been through.

Other shit cities in America:
Visalia
Fresno
Tallahassee
Jackson Mississippi
Spokane
Tulsa

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
58. Funny, I've been to most of these cities
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:31 PM
Aug 2012

and found them not at all unpleasant. Eye of the beholder and all that, I suppose. And, btw, you're from . . . ?

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
64. Tallahassee ?
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:45 PM
Aug 2012

I'll grant you it's not the most beautiful city in the world. Bad part of town ? Rude people ? I'm genuinely curious, not snarky.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
201. I chose cities that I've visited with combinations of crappy features
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:37 PM
Aug 2012

Tallahassee, Spokane, and Tulsa, to me, have bland architecture, horrible land locked locations, and terrible weather. Tallahassee is the best of those three cities, though.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
145. So, you condemn an ENTIRE region
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:36 AM
Aug 2012

because of the actions of ONE person? Dayem! Aren't you glad you don't have any assholes in your town? Oh, wait . . .

Here, this was recently:

New apartment complex for the chronically homeless - 70 apartments nearFresno tent city

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1161929

As was this:

The Anti-Chick-fil-Hate protest:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021070515

And then there's this about Peace Fresno
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021070515

I could post THOUSANDS more but go ahead and ignore all the people who made these things happen and, by all means, focus on ONE jackass.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
234. I've always liked Tally
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:19 PM
Aug 2012

Nice hills, nice people (very southern), not real crowded.

I think all of us can take solace in the fact that even NYC, San Francisco and *gasp* Paris are getting criticized. All cities have bad sections and it's possible to have a bad time or bad experience anywhere.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
245. Wife and I went on vacation to Juarez in 2007....
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:57 PM
Aug 2012

right before it really started getting bad and it was lovely. There was only one street we went down where we were legitimately scared but we just walked 2 blocks back to the main road and it was fine again. We spent the whole day there walking around the tourist area and even off the tourist area a bit to hang with the locals. It was fun....but I probably wouldn't do it again, especially now.

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
17. Waco
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:49 PM
Aug 2012

I lived there during the early sixties. Yes when JFK was assassinated. It's an ugly depressing place. I lived there from 6 to 9.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
18. Parts of Birminham, AL; Detroit, MI, and Baltimore, MD
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:49 PM
Aug 2012

The flea-bag motel I crashed at in Birmingham for its sheer sleaziness,

Detroit for having non-stop SWAT action on TV for the entire three weeks I spent in Riverview,

One very bad part of Baltimore I mistakenly drove into while exploring, for being the scariest urban place I've ever been in.

 

crimson77

(305 posts)
20. Earlier in the thread I talked about Amtrak,
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:51 PM
Aug 2012

On the Northeast Corridor route, You go through a part of Baltimore that I wouldn't go through if a million dollars was at the other end of the street.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
22. The part I stumbled on was dramatic. One block had well-maintained Victorian row houses,
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:02 PM
Aug 2012

...very clean, well-maintained, fresh paint. It reminded me of renewed parts of Harlem in New York City that I've visited.

I crossed one street and it was like going into Hell. Same architecture, but lights were out, windows broken, and groups of young men were yelling at me. I think they were trying to sell drugs or something.

It was December, after dark. I was driving a rented GMC Jimmy or something similar. I did an Emergency Bat-Turn and left the way I had come in. Fast.

 

crimson77

(305 posts)
26. My cousin bought and renovated several rowhouses in a part of B-more called Canton
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:07 PM
Aug 2012

Which is absolutley lovely. It's over by the inner harbor.

AnnieBW

(10,424 posts)
32. Baltimore has good sections and bad sections
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:13 PM
Aug 2012

And they change pretty quickly. I've been in the same situation - driving with a friend, I took a wrong turn and wound up in a setting for "Homicide". We had a cop take down someone driving a minivan right next to us. Scared the crap out of us two suburban chicks.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
98. We stayed at the Inner Harbor once
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:03 PM
Aug 2012

and asked if it was O.K. to walk the 3 blocks to Ruth Chris Steak house(I'd never been).
The front desk guy said that the hotel would pay for the cab ride there and back.
Fells point was cool, but, yes, it's a battle ground around there.
Oh, We took them up on the cab.
Worst restaurant experience I've EVER had.
Spendy, the waiter was snooty, the food was blah.
LAST time I'll ever go there.
2 Dinners=105 bucks...just ridicules
Oh, on Edit:
Salt Lake City.\
Those Mormons are WEIRD.
Worst Newspaper EVER.
I think the USA Today sold more then the Deseret news.

Danmel

(4,913 posts)
131. we had a similar experience in Baltimore
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:25 AM
Aug 2012

We were warned not to walk to a restaurant from our hotel at the Inner Harbor.

I love New Orleans, but it is a really dangerous place. The crime is everywhere, even in the quarter & the garden district.,,our daughter goes to tulane & we get crime reports from the school on an almost daily basis, and a lot of them involve guns. Pretty scary stuff. A lot of the city is really run down, poor & still hasn't recovered from Katrina & the neanderthal political thinking and corruption in Louisiana doesn't help.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
207. About fifteen years ago I went to
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:56 PM
Aug 2012

Baltimore for the rehearsal dinner for a wedding. I got trapped on one-way streets, after dark, and after getting farther and farther away from the restaurant -- which I'd seen from half a block away before I got trapped on those one-way streets -- I finally asked someone for directions. After consulting with his wife, they decided to lead me since they knew where I was headed. After they got me there, they themselves got briefly trapped on the one-way streets, and I know because after they'd circled around they caught up with me right as I was getting ready to enter the restaurant and told me what had just happened to them. And they were locals.

I must say, I was lost in a neighborhood that was quite scary.

eek MD

(391 posts)
157. I used to live in B-more, and know what you mean....
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:46 AM
Aug 2012

One block seems perfectly fine, but you realize you're driving the wrong way, and try to "go around the block" to turn around, and run into something like this (which may not look so bad during the day, but at night with gunshots in the background gives a whole different perspective). I truly feel pity for people who have to live in places like this every day.

[link:http://maps.google.com/?ll=39.311415,-76.588642&spn=0.000004,0.002411&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.311415,-76.588642&panoid=83M-bTjht3S90UHmEC91gA&cbp=12,131.34,,0,-0.1|

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
169. That can't be more than 10 blocks from the exact place I described
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 09:31 AM
Aug 2012

The buildings there had curved faces rather than flat.

If you zoom out from eek MD's link you can see that about half the buildings in that neighborhood have been razed.

It's frightening to me that such extreme decay can happen in my country, even in a historic city with so many beautiful places. At one time that neighborhood must have been thriving with gainfully employed people.

ETA I've lived in San Diego most of my life. There is nothing even close to that here. Even the worst parts of Los Angeles aren't that badly deteriorated.

E-Z-B

(567 posts)
203. Yup, that's what I remember. Blocks and blocks of boarded-up houses in Baltimore.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:45 PM
Aug 2012

I live near Camden now, and have always thought that Camden is better than Baltimore.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
324. Yes, it's very easy to find youself in a scary place in B'more
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 09:42 AM
Aug 2012

A friend of mine and I had a business meeting at Johns Hopkins (I think...it was back in the '90s). When we left, we wanted to find a place for lunch and in one or two turns we were on a street of nothing but boarded up buildings...one of the buildings had numerous police cars parked outside it.

The worse place, though, that I've ever found by making a wrong turn in a city was in Philadelphia. I swear it was like I was in a bombed-out warzone. I've never seen a place like that before or since.

Rainngirl

(243 posts)
21. Forks, Washington
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:57 PM
Aug 2012

If it weren't for the vampire thing, they'd have nothing at all. (Sorry, people in Forks. But it really is depressing.)

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
127. Forks has got nothing on Aberdeen though.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:09 AM
Aug 2012

Forks is just another small, poor rural town with the extra gloom of being in the middle of a rainforest.

Aberdeen was a booming port city in the early 20th century that has been dying a slow agonizing death ever since the Great Depression, and really accelerating in the 70s-80s. As a result, its downtown is full of these (abandoned) neat old buildings crumbling into ruin while the waterfront sinks into the harbor. Much of the housing stock is the same - even the beautiful Victorian homes that were built during the boom years are dilapidated and rotting. Homelessness and meth are everywhere, and most of the youth with any shot (or even hope) of a better life leave and never look back. It's pretty much Innsmouth on the Pacific.

And, like Forks, it rains all the time.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
252. Whenever it gets hot in Seattle and they show the weather map, I think
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:51 PM
Aug 2012

" I'm moving to Forks!". It's always the coolest temp. Don't know anything else about it, though.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
330. Lol....I lived in Forks decades ago.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:13 PM
Aug 2012

Rain, a national forest, a one room school house, and no electricity after 6 pm when the generator shut off.
Oh, and a spectacular serious huge forest fire in...'58, I think it was.

What is this about a vampire thing???

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
23. Ogden, Utah....sorry but where we went was absolutely filthy..The nice city/county Park Ranger...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:04 PM
Aug 2012

apologized and refunded our entrance fee. We have never asked for a refund
like that before or since, but it was shocking. Maybe we just caught it at a bad time!!?


The Tikkis

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
29. Hays, Kansas.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:09 PM
Aug 2012

We were an interracial couple simply exploring the town, looking for a good place to have dinner, right off the interstate.

The hostility was incredible.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
62. I had to work with people in Hays KS over the phone
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:43 PM
Aug 2012

Really stupid describes every one of them .........
I figured it was a vision of hell ....and honestly , where would be a" good place for dinner " there??
somewhere else!!!

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
91. well, the somewhere else was ...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:40 PM
Aug 2012

at the chain restaurant next to the interstate, after driving around the town, finding little of interest. The odd encounter was having the owner of an Indian restaurant close it in our face.

So we ended up at the interstate exit restaurant, which is high culture in this part of the world, all the locals hang out there, too. And one family stared at us through the entire meal.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
202. Emporia, Kansas
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:43 PM
Aug 2012

Attended grad school there at ESU.

IBP was the major employer. During the summer months when it was hot and humid, you could smell IBP all over town!

Nothing like the putrid smell of a slaughter house to whet your appetite!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
239. Sorry to hear that and wow!
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:30 PM
Aug 2012

One of my roommates in college was from Hays and her family were super rich and owned most of the town. I never got vibes from her that she was racist. As a matter-of-fact, one of the group of girlfriends we palled around with was from the Virgin Islands and she was black. My roommate was of German ethnicity, however, as much of that town was back in the early sixties. If it's still white bread, demographically, as it was back then, maybe that was where a lot of the hostility came from.

Again I'm truly sorry that happened to you.

TlalocW

(15,380 posts)
132. Can't believe that Murray's character in the video
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:27 AM
Aug 2012

Is supposed to be some sort of chess expert, but in the game he's playing, he's attempting Fool's Mate, which no advanced chess player would fall for.

TlalocW

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
128. Longest traffic light ever
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:10 AM
Aug 2012

is it still there - the one right by the airport?

Welcome to Bangkok! Fuck you. Now wait for this endless traffic light.

Response to crimson77 (Original post)

al_liberal

(420 posts)
35. Detroit.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:17 PM
Aug 2012

The first time I visited the city I was going to work at Chrysler's JNAP. Saw the burned out buildings and soup kitchen on Conner, ate at White Castle on Gratiot, and drove to my hotel on Jefferson. I never once felt threatened but the place looked like a post apocalyptic city from the movies.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
37. Olongopo, Republic of the Philippines
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:23 PM
Aug 2012

Well it began at, and this was what they called it, Shitriver. A city of more than fifty thousand poured untreated sewer in the river that ran into Subic Bay. Now, they had thirteen year old girls in boats under the bridge who would dive in the river and recover coins you threw into the water. It went downhill from there.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
55. A lot of people
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:27 PM
Aug 2012

have had an awful lot of fun there - me included.

I didn't throw coins in the river, though. I handed them to the children on the other side of the bridge.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
96. Never said I didn't have fun..
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:01 PM
Aug 2012

I didn't throw coins, and I didn't buy baby chicks so I could feed the crocodile. Also, I never saw the donkey show.

Besides the fun, the food and beer was good.

For real amenities that a town or city should have, it didn't have.

FSogol

(45,476 posts)
40. I was going to say, Murfreesboro*, Tennessee, but your answer is way cooler.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:42 PM
Aug 2012

* Was arrested for hitchhiking there and held for 8 hours and then released. I was backpacking, not looking for a ride.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
61. This!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:34 PM
Aug 2012

It all depends on the individual. If you're looking to have a bad time, you'll find it. The opposite is also true. I've never traveled anywhere where I didn't find SOMETHING to like about a town/city.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
79. Me too.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:19 PM
Aug 2012

Anyplace people aren't shooting at me, and creatures aren't sucking my blood while I sleep.

I can tolerate inconveniences for a short time that people less fortunate than me must tolerate for a lifetime.

I love to see how people make different environments "home."

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
83. I was once stuck in O'Hare airport over night
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:23 PM
Aug 2012

Slept on a seat with my luggage. Than another time in Atlanta, I was stuck there, and the good people at the airlines offered to put us up at local hotel for free, with a meal. Those were the days...

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
336. I was stuck in Seattle airport overnight.
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 12:39 PM
Sep 2012

Lost a perfectly good dive knife as I had it in my carry-on backpack.
I couldnt put it into my checked bags as they had them somewhere waiting to be loaded.
Dangit, I just gave it to the security guy and walked in.
Sleeping in an airport blows.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
298. You think I'm lying?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 10:35 PM
Aug 2012

I thought it might be the Hoboken water front with Manhattan in the background.

Would you like me to take a picture of myself in front of the Katyn statue holding a sign that says bite me? I'd be happy to do it.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
39. Naples, Florida where I live
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:33 PM
Aug 2012

Could be a movie set of what "paradise" is supposed to look like. Everything is cookie cutter tropical. Houses all look the same. They tear down regular trees and put up palm trees, EVERYWHERE, even in medians on the roads. ONLY tropical flowers, if any, allowed.

I won't even get into the stary eyed old snowbirds walking around looking UP at the dumb palm trees, terrible drivers, SLOW, complaing when the temps get below 80 degrees, etc., etc.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
43. "Worst Cities in the USA"
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 08:56 PM
Aug 2012

Was a book published a few years back, complete with photos and stories from residents and visitors.

The winner? Camden, NJ!

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
44. Newark
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:02 PM
Aug 2012

What a dirty, stinky, depressing city.

I drove by some chemical factories and just about died from the putrid smell.

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
191. I was thinking of Newark too
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:20 PM
Aug 2012

I had a flight transfer at Newark airport one time and felt the city was full of smelly people. The airport was dirty and was full of local dirty smelly people.

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
46. Naples, Italy
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:02 PM
Aug 2012



It had a bad smell everywhere you went. There was trash and garbage piled up in the streets all over.
No one seemed to want to smile, not with strangers or with one another. I was uncomfortable the
whole time I was there.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
73. lived there for 2 weeks with a friend-local- and loved it but
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:14 PM
Aug 2012

I do not mind telling someone to F off or manga merda so I was OK
and thought it has a wonderful unique side not found in other parts of Italy
hearts of gold + diamonds in the rough

. btw those snots in Florence can F off imo

check out Pavarotti Returns to Naples film someday I think he mentions those parking lots where the old women "sell you a newspaper" so you can screw on your lunchtime - you put the newspapers on the window of the car and pay the price to screw there
or maybe it was his special Pavarotti sings Love Songs of Naples......not sure
...when my friend showed me the places and the cars rockin in the middle of the day I was laughing so hard..
.they screw anywhere there and do not care
if you say anything they would tell you to.......F off and manga merda

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
50. Jersey City, NJ
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:18 PM
Aug 2012

This was back in 1996, and I probably missed the better parts of town. The part I was in was very run-down.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
147. I thought so
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:40 AM
Aug 2012

I've seen some financial companies have headquarters/buildings there and I assumed it had gotten better over the last 16 years. It's close to NYC and I assume, much cheaper to live well there than in Manhattan.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
150. That's why I moved here.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:07 AM
Aug 2012

Manhattan was undoable. The rent was too damn high! 2000 a month for a studio apartment.

From the pictures I've seen of the JC waterfront in the 70s, it's unrecognizable.

It went from this:



And this:



To this:



And we have the coolest statue ever:

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
219. Sorry but is that a real statue or Photoshopped ?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:50 PM
Aug 2012

Katyn 1940 with a guy getting a bayonet stuck in his back ?

Just asking, no offense intended.

eta: Never mind, it's real all right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyń_Memorial_in_Jersey_City

WilmywoodNCparalegal

(2,654 posts)
267. LMAO
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:36 PM
Aug 2012

love that statue... used to take the PATH nearby into NYC... whoever the sculptor was, s/he had a good sense of humor (or a very bad eye)

 

Dkc05

(375 posts)
53. springfield, mo
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:25 PM
Aug 2012

Everybody there is a whack job redwing guy with a gun in their back window of the pickup truck. While the clung to their bible and picture of Todd akin

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
101. I agree between that and Laughlin ugh!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:21 PM
Aug 2012

It's a weekend I wastedin a terrible place. Super Bowl weekend. I should have stayed home.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
57. What a terribly divisive thread.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:29 PM
Aug 2012

And how do you think it makes people feel when they see their hometown on this list? It just feeds into geographical elitism shown too often on this board.

EVERY town has good things and bad things. If you look for the bad, that's what you'll find. Every time. Personally, I've found good in almost every city and the couple that I haven't, I would never dream of mentioning by name.

(Theoretical) "unrec."

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
63. Well, in Camden's case it's greedpolitics and politicians which have caused so many of the problems.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:45 PM
Aug 2012

It used to be a thriving city back in its hey day. Those who should be ashamed of what's happened to Camden and who have the means to help raise it up, don't care.

Drugs, lack of jobs, 1%ers grabbing up all the valuable real estate so other well to do people can live there in their $$$$condos. No tax base. People from the 'burbs go there to buy their cooch and drugs then high tail it out. Entire blocks boarded up.

Shipyards, Campbell Soup and other big employers were there but are long gone. No jobs.

http://ants-and-grasshoppers.blogspot.com/2011/02/photos-camden-nj-then-and-now.html

No one seems to care about the people here or in other depressed cities and towns. It can change but it will take A LOT of work and a lot of outside help. Those who live there know it is bad.


 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
71. But what about the feelings of the other people who expect but don't see their hometown on the list?
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:11 PM
Aug 2012

There are those, for example, who have yet to mention Chicago. There are some areas in Chicago where the police won't even venture into. And no one should mistakenly believe that all of the crime is on the streets.

And what about those poor people who have looked but failed to see an entry for Flint, Michigan?

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
113. Good points
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:54 AM
Aug 2012

Every place has its charms and different people like different places. It's amusing that so far, my hometown, my BIL's hometown, and a town my dad lived in as a child have all been mentioned.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
116. Not every town has good things
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:25 AM
Aug 2012
EVERY town has good things and bad things

You haven't been to Utica, NY then.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
142. No, I'm left coast but
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:29 AM
Aug 2012

even in Barstow, CA there was a nice elderly couple who gave me a push start when my VW bug decided it was too hot and refused to start up again after I stopped to eat. Even if the actual location isn't beautiful so many times the people can be. But then again, I love hangin' with the locals when I travel.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
170. Barstow's a little dusty, but the people are friendly.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 09:43 AM
Aug 2012

Here, the locals have no interest in hanging with anyone outside their circle of friends. Unemployment is high, the city's falling apart due to outsourcing killing all the jobs, "empty" describes most of the shops, and the fondest wish of most parents here is for their kids to move anywhere else. Oh, and we get snow like Buffalo.

Any positive is a backhanded compliment: "That house looks really nice for a meth lab."

If you want a dystopian vision of what outsourcing and general Republicanism will do to society, come on by.

teenagebambam

(1,592 posts)
59. A tie:
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:32 PM
Aug 2012

Browning, Montana - in the Blackfeet Nation. Oppressive decay and poverty.

Jerusalem - the old city, just inside the Damascus Gate. Children with sharpened sticks chasing after me!

sakabatou

(42,148 posts)
122. I was there in Jerusalem for a week
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:38 AM
Aug 2012

The only bad thing that happened was a druggie stole some of our clothes that were in a suitcase.

 

Ben_Caxton

(28 posts)
65. San Francisco...
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:46 PM
Aug 2012

Nice enough down by the bay...

The constant demands from the homeless among the ever present smell of human waste that permeated the city made sure I shall not return.

I've included my time in Afghanistan when making my choice btw...

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
87. Just about the only place in the city you can get away from it is Chinatown. I won't
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:32 PM
Aug 2012

say SF is the worst city, just such a far cry from what it was even 15 years ago due to the aggressive panhadling and the smell. Sad.

Response to HangOnKids (Reply #248)

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
279. LOL! I Must Edit.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:53 PM
Aug 2012

It appears a jury did not think highly of you or your post.


At Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:50 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Good with me...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1188102

REASON FOR ALERT:

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YOUR COMMENTS:

Gross. Uncalled for, and quite trollish. I doubt this idiot has ever deployed anywhere other than his parents back yard.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:56 PM, and voted 5-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: I'm bothered by the suggestion that it would be good to have a gun so you can shoot at people begging for money. Violent and trollish. Also don't like the comment 'human waste' though I don't think that would warrant a hide.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: That kind of statement is offensive and rude. Sounds like they are implying that its OK to take up arms against other Americans if they are poor.
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Thank you.

Juror #6 understands your pain though.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
280. I hate San Francisco as much as the next person
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:54 PM
Aug 2012

but it's not even close to the worst.

For the record, Stockton is pretty far down there.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
331. Thank you. I had same vote.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:29 PM
Aug 2012

Been in SF in the 70's, it was a nice experience.

Lived in SF '99 to '05, not a good feeling at all.

worked in the Mission district and in Haight Ashbury....
I had never seen human waste flowing along a curb before.
I was amazed the health dept did not seem concerned.
People seemed very tense and unfirendly...no matter what area I was in.
Crowded and noisy. I always thought about the "crowded rat" syndrome.
During my 6 years working there, I was in all areas of the city. Not a happy place, very negative energy.

slampoet

(5,032 posts)
66. Butte, Montana
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:48 PM
Aug 2012

Toxic pond, Nothing there left but strippers, gambling, pawnshops, and storefront preachers/.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
115. That toxic pond....
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:21 AM
Aug 2012

Berkeley Pond is it? It's now a Butte tourist attraction as the country's largest superfund site. We were there 2 summers ago and it is indeed a ghastly site with that opaque purple water. With it's shape, size, and slope configuration, it resembles an "industrialized" vision of a dead, polluted, and treeless Crater Lake in an eerie sort of way.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
118. Lawton, Oklahoma
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:28 AM
Aug 2012

I was stationed there at nearby Fort Sill for a year while in the army. For me, with limited transportaion options at the time, it seemed like a vast cultural desert with no escape. Surprisingly enough, some of the occasional getaway spots such as Oklahoma City and Norman were much better than I would have expected.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
296. Affluent Republican Prosperity Christians... Suffocating
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 08:16 PM
Aug 2012
Prosperity theology

Not the kind of place you and your friends can work on your trashy old muscle cars in the driveway, garage doors open, drinking beer and playing music into the night.

Not the kind of place you can grow food in your front yard. No, corn, squash, sunflowers!

Not the kind of place you can paint your house any color you want.

Not the kind of place with taco trucks, guys pushing ice cream carts, and retired grandpas sitting out front, talking, laughing and hailing passing neighbors.

Not the kind of place with basketball games in the street and informal soccer matches in the parks.

Yes, I could do without the litter and graffiti in my own neighborhood, or the sound of gunshots and sirens in the middle of the night, but the place is alive. Every one of my neighbors has some irritating quirk and so do I, but we all live and let live as best we can.

My own garage is full of stuff, no room for a vehicle, so I park my truck in the driveway. It's nearing 180,000 miles on the odometer, and I haven't washed it for many years. It's got lichen growing on it, and spiderwebs. I simply clean the windshields before I drive. But it usually sits there for periods longer than 48 hours collecting leaves and dust.

I'm pretty sure there are rules against that in Westlake Village. They'd consider me a public nuisance.

Yep, I just looked at their municipal code and my truck qualifies as junk. Or maybe it could be "vegetation which is out of conformity with neighboring community standards to such an extent as to result in a diminution of property values."

I've been to Westlake Village. My brother and his wife lived there a few years but then God told them to go someplace where people kept chickens and goats in their front yards and prosperity wasn't measured in dollars.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
297. Doesn't sound like the place for you.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 09:38 PM
Aug 2012

and I'm glad you are not my neighbor, too, particularly with that eyesore of a truck!

I've lived in west central LA, and now I live in the burbs in Maryland. They have different charms. I don't miss the gunshots, the terrible parking, the muggings, burglaries, and vehicle thefts. I used to miss the food, but the burbs here are wildly diverse and we are getting, finally, great ethnic restaurants.

Most of my neighbors in LA were actually quiet and respectful of each other, which is important when we have to keep our windows open to breath during the warm weather. I miss the food, the weather, and the beach.

Westlake Village is Democratic, however, and Henry Waxman is the congressman, I believe. Not exactly behind the Orange Curtain. How about La Canada? Is that more what you are looking for?

There is someplace out in the SF valley where people keep horses in their front yards; I can't remember the name. It is a bizarre mixture of rural and suburban.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
302. Also land of Elton Gallegly on the Thousand Oaks side....
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 10:44 PM
Aug 2012

Remember this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallegly_amendment

Lots of money in the area, Democratic and Republican, insulated and often unaware of where their food comes from, or who's changing the sheets and cleaning the toilets in the hotels they stay at.

And I'll have you know, sir, my truck, it's art! I love California where they don't salt the roads and old junk cars last forever.

In exchange for ignoring this eyesore my neighbors can always borrow tools and use the basketball hoop. It all works out.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
307. A neighbor a block away has a Camarro ...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:19 PM
Aug 2012

late 60s version, lots of body rot, partially primed.

I thought this was his project car, this will change.

That was 15 years ago. No progress is noted, as of today.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
69. New York City..
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:04 PM
Aug 2012

been there more times than I care to count... filthy, smelly, loud, grimy, festering hole.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
72. Manteca, CA
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:11 PM
Aug 2012

It probably has a lot of good features, but I'll always remember it for being the place where kids on a schoolbus spotted my Kerry/Edwards sticker in '04 and opened the bus windows and started screaming at my truck. Eight year olds too. Republicans are made, not born. :shudder:

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
74. Bogolusa La.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:14 PM
Aug 2012

I think I spelled that right.

Rode my bicycle through there. Sherman should have made a visit.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
78. Dallas, Texas.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:19 PM
Aug 2012

I might have just been unlucky, but everyone I met there was a total dick. I was only there for one day.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
82. I like Chicago a lot, but
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:22 PM
Aug 2012

they have a cold wind that lives there near the lake that doesn't exist anywhere else on the planet. It is sneaky too - you will just be walking down the street in the already freezing cold, pass a building and it catches you on the side and literally sucks the air out of your lungs.

Never experienced anything like that before.

mwdem

(4,031 posts)
114. Been there, done that..
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:03 AM
Aug 2012

It does suck the air out of your lungs! Love the city, though, not in winter.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
84. Prague. Also the best city.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:28 PM
Aug 2012

Loved the city for most of my time in what was still Czechoslovakia at that moment, but my rule since has been to avoid deadly riots whenever possible.

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
85. Augusta, Georgia
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:29 PM
Aug 2012

I live about 15 miles from it. I don't go there unless I am forced into it. I don't know what causes the bigger stench, the chemical plants that line the Augusta side of the river, or the wingnut Bible-thumpers and and unreformed Johnny Rebs. Much of the city is like a miniature Gary, IN, and the rest is like your typical city that allows unchecked development. The old parts, including the downtown area and the area around the medical college, are crime-riddled and dilapidated. The rest is just sprawl, with strip malls and McMansion subdivisions, with a few high-end neighborhoods of old antebellum homes tucked in here and there. It calls itself "The Garden City", buy I have no idea as to how it got that name.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
95. Do tell. I lived in that shithole for too many years, but my experiences in TX put them below
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:54 PM
Aug 2012

Phoenix, mostly because the Sonoran desert is so beautiful, and at least it is really clean.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
209. We lived in Phoenix for four years
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:05 PM
Aug 2012

in the late '80s. My husband used to say that Phoenix was Los Angeles without the charm or the ocean.

What I disliked the most was the attitude on the part of the vast majority of those who'd moved there from another part of the country, that now that they didn't have to shovel snow off their cars in the winter, everything was perfect. Well, I'll agree that it's quite nice not to have to shovel snow at all, but there are many, many other things that contribute to quality of life. I saw a total disengagement from any sort of civic life or meaningful participation in local politics or issues. It was quite depressing and helps account for why Arizona is the way it is.

I had grown up partially in Tucson during the 60's, and in those four years in Phoenix I did not meet a single person whose roots in Arizona went as far back as mine. There was a complete lack of understanding about the state's history on any level. I was very glad to move away. Plus, I really, really hate hot weather.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
295. I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:46 PM
Aug 2012

Dull brown and flat does not make a pretty city.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
88. medan sumatra
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:33 PM
Aug 2012

The infrastructure is collapsing in places. The sidewalks are collapsing into the sewers 6 feet below. You'll be walking and suddenly the sidewalk just disappears and six feet down is the sewer water running down to the ocean.

It was petrifying to go out after dark because of it!

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
89. You present a dilema
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:34 PM
Aug 2012

There was Indiantown, FL, at the time the VD capital of the nation, which I visited for a time as on-site chemist to clean up a toxic waste site.

Then there was Arcadia, FL which I visited to install a network of monitoring wells for lithium at a State mental hospital, which had both an actual KKK office and John Birch Society office on Main street, and had recently burned down a home of a family that had kids with AIDS (hemopheliacs who contracted it through blood supplements) (hearing the banjo music yet?)

Then there was Wachula, FL where a county commissioner was busted for keeping slaves. (while I was there in the early 1990s)

Then there was Tildenville and Zellwood doing social service in the migrant labor camps (but those weren't actual cities)


I am torn. Y'all come on down! There is more to see here than Disneyworld.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
92. Houston, TX. Filthy, smelled it long before we saw it, the 2nd worst drivers I've ever encountered,
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:47 PM
Aug 2012

year-round bad weather, and the employers treat their employees worse than dogs. Thankfully, that gig ended on schedule.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
94. Hands down Tiajuana, Mexico.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 10:53 PM
Aug 2012

It was filthy, except the police officer. He was the most immaculate thing I ever saw. Revolution Boulevard, what can I say? I was with my wife and my 2 year old daughter. We tried to eat lunch but we ended up not eating anything.

Then we stupidly opted to not take the taxi to the border, walking through a bombed out attempt at a shopping mall. I swear, as we walked the beggers got more and more pathetic. First they were missing a hand or a foot. Then as we walked further, a leg or an arm. Then two legs or two arms. By the time we stepped into the INS building they had no limbs.

We love Mexico. We go every year, and San Diego which is only a few miles north is gorgeous. Not going to return to Tiajuana any time soon.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
109. No it isn't, and no thank you.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:48 PM
Aug 2012

I'll take your word for it regarding Alexandria and Cairo.

I do understand that there is a better part of Tiajuana but after my experience I am not interested in finding it. I can see where Revolution Boulevard would be attractive to people who are seeking certain things. I, myself, have no interest in those things.

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
120. Revolution Boulevard has changed a lot in the last 5 years
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:36 AM
Aug 2012

I was there a few weeks ago visiting friends and was amazed at how much TJ has changed. Its still dirty in some places, but Revolution Boulevard has really changed. It was gay pride, there were about 8 floats and about 300 people watching. What I found really odd was that outside of my partner and myself we did see a single American or a single white person on Revolution Boulevard and the same goes for the rest of TJ.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
174. Okay. It has been about 15 years or so for me so I accept this too
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:43 AM
Aug 2012

But I'm still not going back. No offense.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
160. used to travel to Cairo monthly - at least 25 trips there
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:51 AM
Aug 2012

loud, dirty, extremely populated

but I loved it

There is ALWAYS something new to visit - the museum is one-of-a-kind in the world

the market is wonderful - getting lost in the alleys

the food is diverse

the hotels terrific

I would be back in a second

and best of all - the people

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
178. I was standing on the sea wall in Alexandria, looked down on the beach and there was a rat king
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:51 AM
Aug 2012

a big clump of rats eating a dead cat. Horrible....... but the slums of bangkok are worse if you can believe it

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
99. It's a tie. Colorado Springs, Colorado, and Juarez, Mexico.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:04 PM
Aug 2012

Two faces of hell.

Colorado Springs: Sanitized, Wealthy GOP Fundies Make Weapons For Jesus.

Juarez: Filthy, Femicide/Methicide Central, murder capital of the world.





Zorra

(27,670 posts)
268. Yep, and the thing is, like you, I was also in Juarez in the (early) 80's.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:43 PM
Aug 2012

Our perceptions of both Juarez and Co. Springs are definitely similar.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
102. I'm not a fan of Los Angeles.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:25 PM
Aug 2012

I've been there a handful of times and tried to keep an open mind each time. But I always want to get the hell out of there.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
192. I live in Los Angeles and I agree it's a pretty shitty city.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:21 PM
Aug 2012

It's the only place I've ever been in where it takes 45 minutes to get ANYWHERE. Want to go 10 miles? Budget 45 minutes. Want to go 35 miles? 45 minutes.

It's bizarre.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
273. Sometimes when where I wanted to go was a few miles away, I found
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:14 PM
Aug 2012

I could walk there in less time than driving or hoping on the turtle slow buses.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
271. Me neither and I lived in various places within the county and city
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:07 PM
Aug 2012

for over thirty years. Jobs and other obligations kept me there, but when my DH retired, we quit all that and we moved away. We went back once to close a bank account and some other ties we had left over and I've never been back since. Sure there are some cool things to do and nice places to live if you are well off. But the ordinary working class schlub just doesn't have the money to do those things and are nickeled and dimed for stuff the wealthy just don't have to worry about like parking fines and such. As far as the less expensive things to do like the beach and Griffith Park, they are over crowded and often dangerous. It used to be you could take a nice drive through the canyons, but more and more of those have become gated off as exclusive enclaves for the wealthy.

The only thing I miss is UCLA because the university has the best libraries to do research at if you want to look up stuff. I find our libraries where I live now pretty inferior in that respect, not their fault but funding problems.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
283. UCLA has a beautiful campus, and like you say, there are nice enclaves and so forth there ...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:06 PM
Aug 2012

but, yeah, unless you have a lot of money, and even if you do have a lot of money, there is a lot of ugliness to deal with. The lack of rain and dusty brown coating on stuff doesn't help.

Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #102)

JI7

(89,247 posts)
293. LA is good for Beaches and Food and some other stuff
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:10 PM
Aug 2012

but i would say much of LA is crappy. i'm trying to consider something where maybe i can live somewhere else and come back every now and then.

and this doesn't apply to everyone but there are some very arrogant assholes in LA also. people who care more about image but are dumb as shit. trying to impress people they don't know. there are a lot of good people but this certain type seems to gather in certain areas around here.

i hate crowds also.

i would say it's worth it to come and see specific things you want. for those like me who have interest in non tourist things and just seeing day to day lives of people i would check out all areas just to see the diversity. you will see what looks like refugee camps in foreign countries in parts of downtown LA.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
300. I lived in Los Angeles 17 years and really like the city and the area.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 10:37 PM
Aug 2012

I love the beaches, the food, the weather, and if I had the money I would probably live there. Parts of the city are really beautiful, there is a lot to do and see. I like California in general. I would probably live in the South Bay if I went back.

The traffic can be bad, but it can be equally bad in a dozen other major cities in the US, including here in the Washington, DC, metro area. You learn to cope.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
332. I used to live in DC. Great town.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:02 PM
Aug 2012

The public transportation there is very good, unlike LA.

I used to live in San Francisco area, which is gorgeous (although crowded & expensive, too).

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
103. Memphis in August
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:27 PM
Aug 2012

The air was so thick you almost couldn't breathe and it smelled really bad. It was 95 degrees and 95% humidity. When dried off after a shower you perspired so much from the exertion you needed another shower. I was the best man at my cousin's wedding so there was no way I could get out of being there.

A close second is Leesville LA, home of Fort Polk.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
229. I once had a crush on a French Quarter bartender who was from Leesville
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:10 PM
Aug 2012

She called it "one of those places God forgot He made".

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
104. Not only visited, but lived there.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:30 PM
Aug 2012

Torrington, WY

We lived there for a few years in the late 90s before Mr. froggy retired from the railroad. The town was built around a feedlot and sale barn, and it smells really bad, and the flies are awful. Also, there is a sugar beet factory there, and when it’s processing sugar beets, the fumes are caustic. Vile-smelling place to live. We didn’t open our windows the whole time we lived there.

We went to Cheyenne sometimes, and on our way back to Torrington, we always could tell we were within 20 miles or so from home when we saw the signature green cloud that hung over the town.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
105. Atlanta, Georgia. Because of the weather.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:36 PM
Aug 2012

It was 100 degree and 100 percent humidity, and as if getting soaked in sweat just walking out the door wasn't bad enough, a couple of really nasty thunderstorms came ripping through just to liven things up. I was never happier to get back home to Oregon.

Just out of curiosity I tallied up the cities I've spent some time in and counted only 24 of them, but of those 24 cities Atlanta was definitely the worst, with San Antonio, Texas coming in a close second place, thanks to freezing rain that "fell" horizontally in high winds the whole month I was there.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
107. Fayeteville, North Carolina.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:38 PM
Aug 2012

Good lord I lived there for about 9 months and it was not good. A fellow Californian, a doctor I worked with, and I used to huddle together as strangers in a strange land. Hush-puppies are food as it turns out. IDNKT. The humidity was cruel and unusual and conducive to breeding slow-flying giant bugs. I could not and I cannot emphasize that enough wait to get the hell out of Dodge and back to civilization.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
108. Gulfport/Biloxi, MS.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 11:46 PM
Aug 2012

(Pre-Katrina--probably even worse now). Stupid ugly casinos, fast food restaurants right on the waterfront, unattractive in general, and my dog suffered one debilitating parasitic disease after another.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
180. Most of the beautiful old homes along Hwy 90, which parallels the coast, were wiped out by Katrina
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:59 AM
Aug 2012

They were the only bright spots along that stretch of road. Gone, gone, gone.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
314. I didn't know that.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:48 AM
Aug 2012

My dad was stationed at Keesler when I was a kid, and I remember passing those houses on my way to school. I loved looking at them when we went by.

Wow, I just looked on google street view and it's just empty space and a bunch of torn up oak trees.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
110. Buffalo, some parts of Paris.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:10 AM
Aug 2012

Honestly, some parts of Paris were the worst thing ever. The stench of raw sewage would unexpectedly hit you like a lead baguette.

Buffalo. Both inner city and suburbs. I just hated it. I had to travel there on business for a while and I hated it more every time. Every time I was catching the plane out to leave I'd always be worried that the plane would crash on takeoff- I just couldn't think of a worse place to die than Buffalo.

I spent my childhood in New Orleans so I'm not including it on the list. I couldn't write a more dodgy, shifty, filthy, crime-riddled place than that place was when I was a kid in the 70's.

PB

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
111. Little Rock and Miami are both pretty shitty
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:13 AM
Aug 2012

Just overall dirty, run down, places you don't want to stay very long

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
190. The downtown of Little Rock was OK
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:19 PM
Aug 2012

I was there for a week or so back in '98. Get outside the center of the city and it was pretty depressing and the people were largely the Clampetts with new trucks. Spooky.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
119. a weird little boonie town in idaho that consisted of a dirt road cut through a narrow canyon
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:30 AM
Aug 2012

with shotgun shacks lining both sides and little kids sitting on the stoops. it was a mining town and looked like it was lost in time. 'deliverance' circa 1930. this was in the 70s.

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
316. That's most of the towns in the middle of the state
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:57 AM
Aug 2012

For me, the worst place I have ever been was Goldsboro, North Carolina. You can smell the despair on the winds wafting off the Atlantic.

You go there and think, "the reason there is no crime in Goldsboro is there is nothing worth stealing in Goldsboro."

When a hurricane goes through Goldsboro, they call it civic improvement.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
320. really? most of the towns in central idaho look like that one i saw? weird. i would like to see
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 01:51 AM
Aug 2012

it again, actually. in my memory it is one of those special surreal places.

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
333. There are three towns in south Idaho that still have one telephone line for the whole community
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 07:14 PM
Aug 2012

In the very earliest days of the phone system, the wiring used was called "open wire." Imagine two bare wires with little ceramic things spaced out along their length to keep the wires separated, and you know what open wire is. When the Civilian Conservation Corps was active, one of the things they did was run open-wire phone lines to the remotest areas in Idaho. And to do it, they had to walk the wire reels through the woods--and as you probably remember, "the woods" in Idaho means mountainous terrain.

Three of the towns so served (I saw the names once, but have forgotten; it's one of the things no one would be interested enough in to put online) still have these wires because it would be too expensive to run modern wiring. There aren't enough people up there to justify a radio-link solution like satellite, terrestrial microwave or troposcatter, so there you have it...one phone serving the whole town.

Nowhere else in the world does this wire still exist.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
125. Port Au Prince
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:58 AM
Aug 2012

It wasn't that bad for me particularly but for the people who lived there it seemed kind of rough.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
126. Limerick
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:02 AM
Aug 2012

It's not the dirtiest, poorest, or most chaotic city I've been to but it was the most dismal in terms of weather, architecture, lack of significant, attractive or interesting sites, and general attitude of the population (I gave some girls who were begging 50p and they threw it back at me and called me a bitch because they wanted a pound).

After three hours my main mission was to get the hell out of Limerick as soon as humanly possible.

And they score extra negative points because Ireland in general is such a fabulous place to be. You have to really, really try to create an ugly city full of unpleasant people there.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
129. El Paso, TX
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:15 AM
Aug 2012

The Amtrak was delayed because a freight train derailed somewhere, for about 6 hours. So I walked around. It looked like a downgrade version of Tijuana.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
130. Portland, Oregon
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:16 AM
Aug 2012

Mostly because I spent a night homeless there in the downtown. Train got there at midnight or so, and they kicked us out of the station. I had not hotel room, since I was crashing with another graduate student, where the heck was I supposed to go? Even if I wanted to walk the 8 blocks in the middle of the night - which I didn't. Then what? I am suppsoed to sit in a hotel lobby where I don't have a room? Finally after a few hours outside the train station discovered a bus station a couple blocks away with a bunch of people sleeping on the floor.

Nostradammit

(2,921 posts)
238. Is Portland the ONLY city you've ever been to?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:28 PM
Aug 2012

I've never felt anything but safe in any part of the city at any time of the day or night.

If I had to live in any city it would be Portland. Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy it.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
133. Someone tried to run my DH down in NC! I know a state not a city let me explain
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:27 AM
Aug 2012

My family and I were returning from Hilton Head and stopped in some no name town in NC to grab some road food and stretch our legs.
We are a biracial family My DH is White, I am Black, and my son well he looks 100% white blue eyes blonde hair lighter skin than my husband. My complexion is Michelle Obama Brown Ok I must explain this so you understand what happened

So were in the store My son and I are playing he was 4 at the time so he was just jumping up and down by feet and we were laughing. There was this customer in the store the would not take his eyes off my son. He was a white guy shaved head wearing a camoflauge jacker the hunting kind not military Camo.

I told my husband I didn't like the way he was staring and I intentionally moved out of his line of sight.

Well the guy leaves the store. We get our purchases and head back to the van. Well my Dh decides to grab something from the back of the van and my son and I were inside. A few seconds later my DH jumps in the VAN he is white as sheet. I asked "what's wrong" He said that guy just tried to run me down!

I couldn't believe it. These people are so up set at seeing a biracial couple in a store their first thought is to kill us really??
So I can't tell you what town it was so I have to blame the entire state of North Carolina for the worst city I ever "visited"

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
134. I've done a lot of travelling and I can't honestly think of a city that I hated. Every city has...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:31 AM
Aug 2012

its negatives and positives. Been to quite a lot of Europe and Asia. Having said this I've never been to any of the truly horribly places some people have listed above like Mogadishu.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
135. Durham, NC, when the tobacco warehouses were full
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:40 AM
Aug 2012

and auctions were going on. Not only were the streets of that small city planned to get you into the warehouse district efficiently, they were also planned so that it would be hard as hell to find your way back out.

The stench was overpowering. If you think that stuff stinks when it's burning, smell it when its sitting in heaps with mildew growing on it.

The only reason I went there was a used bookstore I adored. I never went back in auction season again.

 

twins.fan

(310 posts)
156. Houston: Governor of Texas, George W Bush, & Mayor of Houston sued Feds to stop clean air act
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:36 AM
Aug 2012

The pollution was incredible!! The inside of my windshield had to have the petroleum crap removed every six weeks because it turned blue with petroleum residue sorta like the inside of smokers' windshields turn yellow.

I was inhaling that blue crap!

And Governor Bush and the Houston Mayor were suing the Federal government to prevent Feds from enforcing the clean air act.

LTX

(1,020 posts)
181. When was that?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:04 PM
Aug 2012

I've lived in Houston for 32 years, and I've never heard of a Houston Mayor suing to stop enforcement of the clean air act. Houston city government has a fairly long history of pushing (and suing) for clean air and clean water enforcement, and of contesting the Texas state government's woefully inadequate environmental regulations and enforcement history. It's not an easy task, though, since Houston is a refining, industrial, and sea-port megalopolis, and its businesses virtually control the state machinery.

 

twins.fan

(310 posts)
200. Mid nineties, back when W was Governor of Texas
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:34 PM
Aug 2012

I worked in Houston for about nine months on a contract. Yeah, I never knew what it was that was turning the inside of my windshield blue, whether it was the refineries or the automobile exhaust, but there was an active law suit by the politicians, of which W was one, trying to get the courts to stop the clean air act from being enforced.

I was really glad to get the hell out of Houston. My lungs were glad too.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
210. Houston is also my worst city.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:10 PM
Aug 2012

During the mid-70's I had friends living there, and I probably visited them about four times. Everyone there was unaccountably proud of the fact that the city had absolutely no zoning laws whatsoever, meaning you could build anything at all next to anything else. Like a brothel next to a school, or an adult film store next to a church.

Houston also had the worst traffic aside seen since I'd been to Teheran shortly before my first visit to Houston. Remarkably bad.

 

twins.fan

(310 posts)
322. I noticed that too! One accompanying characteristic was cheap home prices
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:40 AM
Aug 2012

both when you buy and when you sell

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
158. Trona, California.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:49 AM
Aug 2012

It's near Death Valley. We we're there in the summer installing the suspended ceilings at a gold mine. I almost died from heat stroke.

Hell.on.earth.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
250. I would never nominate Orlando as the most beautiful city in the world, however....
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:44 PM
Aug 2012

if you get away from the main roads and the touristy areas/tourist traps, there are some nice lakes and nice residential areas. The biggest drawback to Orlando is an obvious one: the hellish summer heat and humidity.

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
161. Midland/Odessa,TX
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 07:53 AM
Aug 2012

Spent 2 years in the armpit of the universe. Living there you understand W a lot better and it ain't pretty.

Shrek

(3,977 posts)
162. Boston. Nearly everyone was rude and unfriendly.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 08:00 AM
Aug 2012

They're mean to each other and even meaner to tourists who just want to spend money and enjoy some time off.

And where did these people learn to drive?

 

crimson77

(305 posts)
173. Boston is the bomb-diggity
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:33 AM
Aug 2012

During winter we can be a bit much, but every other part of the year we're nice.

Shrek

(3,977 posts)
176. I visited in mid-May
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:49 AM
Aug 2012

It was far from wintry.

I encountered very few nice people but maybe I visited the wrong areas.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
163. Shamrock Texas.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 08:14 AM
Aug 2012

Never have I spent so much money to have so little fun.
In 1990 Donna's real father died there. She never knew him, her parents split up when she was about a year old. His relatives were trying to get their hands on his estate until the lawyer asked them if Jack had any kids.
It was two weeks after he was buried before she found out. By the time we got up there, everything of value had been cleaned out of the house, the utilities had been cut off with food in the fridge in June in TX. You can imagine what that smelled like. Evidently the same family members that stole everything had also complained about having to shell out $2 to buy a decent pair of socks to bury the man in.
By the time we loaded up what was left into a U-Haul truck-which I had to drive to Amarillo to get-motel, food and gas expenses we spent $900.
We went to the diner where his girlfriend worked to get the house key when we got there. It was like a scene out of Easy Rider. People's forks literally stopped on the way to their mouths when we walked in.
The funniest thing was the motels-they all had this huge "AMERICAN OWNED" sign out front and each one had a East Asian woman behind the counter.
The one we stayed in had this combination swimming pool and bomb shelter-the pool was on a raised mound and at one end was this huge steel door to go into the bomb shelter.

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
167. That would have to be Ciudad Juarez, Mexico
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 08:39 AM
Aug 2012

And that was in the days *before* the major drug wars, when it was still a place where tourists could walk across the border to buy cheap crap. Nowadays you couldn't pay me enough to be a tourist in Juarez. But even in the 80's it was dirty, horribly poverty-stricken, and somewhat dangerous. Human beings living in absolute squalor, mangy dogs, sad little children, prostitutes, all of whom had had the misfortune of having been born on one side of a river instead of the other. Absolutely awful.

If I had to pick a place in the US, I would have to say Midland/Odessa, Texas. The armpit of the Southwest. Sorry, Texans, I like some parts of your state very well, but Midland/Odessa appeared to have less to recommend it than anywhere I think I've ever been in this country.

The worst place I've ever *lived* was Colorado Springs, CO, hands down. It probably seems like a beautiful, fun place if you're just passing through as a tourist, but living there was fairly awful. It's totally conservative mega-church Stepford people land, and it sucks the soul out of a person from day one.

Nostradammit

(2,921 posts)
242. I grew up in the Springs
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:33 PM
Aug 2012

You described it perfectly.

And I moved from the Springs to El Paso for one year, which made me miss Colorado Springs.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
195. It's the rugged individualist ethos.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:23 PM
Aug 2012

Pig farm next to an army surplus store, next to a school, next to a church, next to a landfill, next to a gravel pit, next to a failed (surprise!) residential development.

Planning (except by the church) is anathema.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
196. I have to agree. Lived near Ogden, attended college there for a little while--
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:28 PM
Aug 2012

what a depressing, haphazard "city"--in what COULD be and should be a beautiful area, with the Rockies to the east.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
179. i was disappointed in Nashville.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:53 AM
Aug 2012

the hotel was crummy and smelly. i had thought i got a room right on "music row" but there seemed to be nothing there. anyway we were just staying one night on our move from CA to NC.

 

Boxcar Willie

(75 posts)
182. Now I am going to win this:
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:06 PM
Aug 2012

Albany, NY - a hellhole full of drunks,
Atlantic City, NJ - a hellhole full of broken people,
and internationally:

Bridgend, Wales - hellhole full of depressed and suicidal people

and the winner:

Benidorm, Spain - a hellhole, period. Full of visiting (it's a cheap resort) drunks and junkies and broken, depressed people. Stay Away!

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
214. Atlantic City feels like the best place anywhere -
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:26 PM
Aug 2012

when you're winning, that is.

But yeah, I'd forgotten how bad it is away from the boardwalk, but it's pretty shitty.

The beach is so lovely, though. I guess that's all of the 'Jersey Shore', though.

 

Boxcar Willie

(75 posts)
328. Yeah
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:56 AM
Aug 2012

when you walk two blocks from hotels and casinos it feels like third world slum... still basking in neon lights though...

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
184. Detroit, hands down.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:10 PM
Aug 2012

Had to go there to take a couple of depositions in 1998. Got my rental car and directions to my hotel. Van Dyke Street, IIRC, was the main artery I had to travel on. Nothing but boarded up buildings for miles. Half the streetlights were inoperative. I do not mind admitting that I was scared to death making that journey at night. I think I would have crapped my pants if the car had conked out. I sure as hell would not have gotten out of it.

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
266. Funny About Detriot
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:32 PM
Aug 2012

I had Thanksgiving last year with relatives in Ann Arbor and suggested going to Detroit one day since I had never been there and wanted to see how bad it was. They ended up saying "sorry we couldn't find any more urban blight for you, Jack." I assume they just didn't know where to go. The downtown parts we saw were nice.

 

FAHQ69_7

(41 posts)
185. So, So many to choose from….
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:11 PM
Aug 2012

In no particular order…..

Oklahoma City, OK
Dallas, TX
Houston, TX
Orlando, FL
Tampa, Fl
Jacksonville, Fl
Pensacola, FL
Atlanta, GA
Columbus, GA
Savanna, GA
Richmond, VA
Norfolk, VA
Mobile, AL
Montgomery, AL
Huntsville, AL
Jackson, MS
Salt Lake City, UT (Except for the town of Alta, UT)
Slidell, LA
Charleston, SC
Myrtle Beach, SC
Va Beach, VA
Charlotte, NC
Raleigh, NC
Memphis, TN
Charleston, WV
Fayetteville, AK

Plus a whole bunch of other crappy places in the same geographical region of the US.

Now why do I hate the places…well if you have ever been to any or all of them you would not even be asking.

Sorry if I left your city off the list!

 

FAHQ69_7

(41 posts)
236. The entire thread does not make any sense
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:24 PM
Aug 2012

But why not list the shitty places you have been?

Make your own list, join the fun!

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
186. San Jose, Costa Rica.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:11 PM
Aug 2012

They don't name their streets in Costa Rica. That's fine when you're in the countryside, but it makes the city into a tangled, incomprehensible mess.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
197. Riyadh
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:28 PM
Aug 2012

Not because because it is Saudi Arabia or because it is ruled by a bunch of corrupt medieval minded despots using Wahhabi fundamentalist Islam as their stick. You could say that about Jeddah too - but Jeddah can be a very charming, colorful and an interesting city with a lot of character and with a real feeling of life. Riyadh is just soulless. No character at all - only a monument to oil wealth with no feeling of life whatsoever.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
199. Bakersfield wins, and Houston comes next
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:34 PM
Aug 2012

Passed through Houston once around midnight, it was like 100% humidity and still 90 degrees or something. And the city just looked soulless and miserable, all skyscrapers and concrete with no charm.

Bakersfield is truly horrible, passed through it many times. My friend and I always commentated when we went through it that this city must be like hell. Something about it, its hard to describe.

I can understand why Los Angeles was mentioned. It's nice to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. Way too many people and the freeways and endless car jams are just impossible. It doesn't matter what time it is either, it can be 3 AM and the freeway will still be jammed full.

About some of the other cities mentioned: San Francisco? You must be crazy, one of the best cities.

El Paso is not that bad, really. It isn't the greatest city ever, granted, but it's decent, you can find things to do, it isn't awful.

Dallas is surprisingly friendly, with nice people. I know most of them are right wingers, but damn, they can be really pleasant and nice. And the city isn't bad either for a big city, to be honest. Even downtown can be fun to walk around, at least I thought so when I was there some years ago.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
205. Seattle, WA...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:47 PM
Aug 2012

Of course, I got lost. I had my baby daughter in the back seat and it freaked me out a bit.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
257. I needed a tour guide...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:07 PM
Aug 2012

It was my first time there. My daughter has her own baby now so that tells you how long ago it was.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
275. Yes...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:25 PM
Aug 2012

But it wasn't because I didn't want to go back. We moved across the country and never had a chance to go back.

I don't think Seattle is a bad place because of my experience. I'd go back if I could. We have family still living there.

Greybnk48

(10,167 posts)
206. NYC in 1970.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:48 PM
Aug 2012

I know it's vastly different now because my nephew has lived in Soho for 11 years, but in 1970 it was really dirty (trash all over times square), really rude abrasive people in service positions (probably trying to live up to their reputation of rudeness), and at night, hookers everywhere--trannies, guys dressed as cowboys, you name it (42 and Broadway).

Shocked the hell out of this 22 y/o Cheesehead!! Where I came from it was a sin against God and Nature to litter! LOL!

 

gadgets505

(15 posts)
208. Nashville
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:02 PM
Aug 2012

I "visited" Nashburg for most of 1974-1982, working in the rhinestone cowboy biz. Bad food, bad weather, bad vibes toward any sort of liberal thinking. Extremely racist and homophobic. On the bright side, I LOVE breakfast and The Pancake Pantry near Vandy U is about the best breakfast joint in the lower 48. Also, hung out with Al Gore for a bit one evening backstage at a blues show while he was a columnist on the local paper - nice guy and pretty hip.

slutticus

(3,428 posts)
260. I gotta say...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:11 PM
Aug 2012

...i used to live there and hated it. I recently went back to visit and it's actually quite nice. Reasonably large city with a nice small town feel. Especially around Vandy and between Nashville and Murfreesboro (where MTSU is...). I don't think i appreciated it when I was there. And people are WAAAAAY more polite than on the coasts, by several orders of magnitude. Too much country music, but they have a decent overall music scene there with lots of good studios for indy bands to record on the cheap.

broiles

(1,367 posts)
212. Chung Qing China, No US city or Mexican city is this bad.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:13 PM
Aug 2012

Air pollution. I could not breath. Filth poured into the Yangtze and the air from factories.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
213. Probably Warsaw. Got a nosebleed from the air pollution;
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:20 PM
Aug 2012

Food is generally abysmal, the architecture uninspiring and Stalinist - just yuck.

Oh, and forgot to mention, everybody's poor - try vacationing in places where people don't have enough to eat, or have to stand in long lines, or have to go through rolling blackouts almost every day. Not fun.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
215. Not all their fault, of course
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:30 PM
Aug 2012

The Germans basically leveled the place during the uprising in 1944. And then it was rebuilt under the communist government. Never been there but I've heard it described as drab by more than a few people. An unfortunate example of the effects of war.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
217. since others have multiple entries, here's one more: Barrow Alaska
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:41 PM
Aug 2012

I'm sure it's a wonderful place if you were born there and are perhaps Inuit, but it's on
the Arctic Ocean, always always cold, treeless and shrubless and grassless, with very
functional architecture to deal with the cold and wind and snow.

The saving grace is that the people were all polite and pleasant.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
218. Most people are picking vast poverty-riddled places
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:45 PM
Aug 2012

These are indeed grim. I've spent quite a while in Juarez and it's everything most people think, but to me poverty is not the be all and end all of urban blight. I've lived in Buffalo and found it humdrum but not particulary horrible despite swathes of quite shocking decay. I lived just outside East St. Louis for years and yep it's dangerous as hell and squalid. But even crime and poverty fail to make a city truly terrible to me. Crime and poverty can be found in areas of almost all cities after all. No to me the "worst" mantle has to transcend the ubiquitous blight of urban living. It has to have a bloody minded zeitgeist that seems to try to make you miserable, as a city. Not just to have some desperate denizens.

My choice is not particularly poor and not particularly high crime, although it certainly has both. Binghamton NY has a bad start to begin with, in that it has the insane property taxes and hyper-paranoid bureaucracy that dominate the state but has neither the cosmopolitan zest of NYC nor the beauty of the real upstate scenery. It also has the winter weather of upstate NY but seemingly avoids the pleasant fall of places like the Finger Lakes. Grey, endless grey. But all that is just the state and accident of locale. The city itself takes this ball and chain and welds them to several more, starting with a road system designed to frustrate from start to finish. There is but one straight through road in town, and it manages to combine too many stop lights and too few places to turn left - which should be impossible. Then, in a place that gets many feet of snow and solid ice for months, the entrance ramps to the "highways" (they don't actually go anywhere, intended seemingly to take you around the place rather than to it - the highway builders knew something I didn't) are universally roller-coaster level corkscrews. And not just the ramps - there's a 90 degree bend in the highway itself! Needless to say the words "snow plow" are as unfamiliar in town as "professional employment". I have never seen so many "end of 30mph limit" signs anywhere else. Wouldn't it be more informative, simpler, and cheaper to make, signs that told us what the new speed limit is?? And no you can't know by the road type - the fully divided exit-less four lane exiting town has a 35mph stretch for no plausible reason. Every road is not just pothole ridden - you can see and avoid those too easily. They are also surfaced in a bizarre ripple profile that literally has an unsuspecting car bottoming out and then leaving the ground with no warning.

House hunting should be easy in a depressed market and lackluster local economy. Unless that is you want absurd luxuries like sewers, municipal water, gas heat and - holy of holies that is nigh unattainable - central AC. Then you are stuck in one of the two or three newer developments in town - all of which are in floodplains in a place where we had two century-level floods in the brief time I lived there. When you do find a house, surely it's simple enough to get power to that gas and AC you finally found with a phone call like everywhere else, maybe even on-line? Nope - in person only, and with no hours outside 9-4

People on DU often bemoan chain stores and pine for mom and pop alternatives. Binghamton should at least make them happy. That is if they like their mom and pop bar restaurants - not dives mind you, nicer sports bar places - with not just no doors on the bathroom stalls but no dividers beyond 8" of projecting tiles that measures 2' top to bottom. Or if they are fine with no food choices beyond fish fries, pizza and marinated chicken (the local "delicacy&quot . Even Applebees starts to look great after a while. You'd think that at least the absence of recent construction and chain dominance would at least make it charming and eclectic. Nope - endless streets of identical dilapidated featureless square houses converted into apartments, and moribund unimaginative retail clustrered into strip malls guess where - on that no-left turn stoplight nest of course.

Despite being for many years the hub of a massive conglomerate like IBM, Cultural opportunities are limited to a seventh-tier opera company that puts on four student shows a year, golf, and........no that's it. Every single person you meet grew up there, and every single one bemoans the lack of good-paying professional jobs - so guess which demographic left and which one is left? And what conversation does that leave possible but about drunk Jack who was in Mrs. Pollini's class's latest drunken session? If you like parochial ill-educated insular white-bread cliqueism, Binghamton's for you.

But look on the bright side - it's only a bit over an hour to the big city........ of Syracuse. If on the other hand you want to go somewhere where the word ponounced "tie" occasionally has an H in it, it's 200 miles.

Broken_Hero

(59,305 posts)
220. Hmm, if I had to pick one
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:54 PM
Aug 2012

I'd probably go with Jay, Oklahoma. I'd choose Picher, Oklahoma but I think that town is officially, not a town anymore...so my vote goes to Jay, home of the fighting Bulldogs.

Broken_Hero

(59,305 posts)
221. Forgot to add my why,
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:56 PM
Aug 2012

because its run down, has nothing to offer, and is just plain depressed, plus Kenwood is very close(even considered part of it). I'd throw Lanagan, Missouri in the mix as well, its pretty run down and non-existent as well.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
317. I rode my bicycle through Picher back in the '70s,
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 01:06 AM
Aug 2012

and it was a very depressing place, with all those slag heaps from lead mining. Apparently it is now a ghost town, with the last residents being paid to leave a few years ago.

Broken_Hero

(59,305 posts)
325. Yep,
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:45 AM
Aug 2012

I think they forced everyone out at least two years back because of all the environment/pollution issues.

Brewinblue

(392 posts)
222. Champagne/Urbana, IL
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:00 PM
Aug 2012

Maybe not the very worst, but it has to be worst college town. So flat, so ugly, so nothing to do.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
230. correct, nothing to do because most go home on the weekends -
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:11 PM
Aug 2012

That is, it's an absurdly exclusive public university, tuition for which is affordable only for the most part by those in the Chicago area - and they go back to Chicago on the weekends - because 'there's nothing to do in C/U.'

Madison is its polar opposite, in so many ways - politically, culturally, in terms of ethnic diversity; even in terms of academic quality, Madison excels.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
231. Oakland (which also happens to be my hometown).
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:13 PM
Aug 2012

I have lived here my whole life, and let me tell you--it is rough in the town. Our police force isn't exactly the best, and is notorious for several cases of excessive brutality (such as what happened at Occupy last year, and also Oscar Grant). There is also a bit of crime here (we were ranked in the top 10 most dangerous cities last year), and I personally don't feel safe walking around here especially at night. I was even robbed once on my way to an A's game a few years ago. That's why I want out. I'm hoping to move up to Humboldt next year. I shouldn't have to be paranoid about going out at night.

slutticus

(3,428 posts)
261. i love oakland
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:15 PM
Aug 2012

Great food, AWESOME bars, none of the pretentiousness from across the bay, BEAUTIFUL neighborhoods up in the hills (i wish I had money!!!!!!). But it's a terribly mis-managed government, and really a fucking shame for this city. Yes, the crime is quite bad in some areas, but it seems like no one really wants to step in and clean it up (mayor, police chief, residents, etc...)


spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
287. The Oakland Hills and adjacent Piedmont rival anything in SF in terms of beauty and scenic splendor
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:33 PM
Aug 2012

The crime level in SF (The City) has skyrocketed in the past couple of decades - although most outsiders won't hear about it because of the dependence on tourism.

I walked away from a job because the SF city streets (again - Union Square area) became too filthy and unsafe to deal with.

I still love SF, but lament what's happened to the central area over the years. We just don't bother to go there - and we live in the bay area.

Laochtine

(394 posts)
237. Marianna, Florida
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:27 PM
Aug 2012

I learned all about institutional racism from little children, poor dears, but I learned that the whole place wasn't polluted. The Lady who owned the only bar asked me to come to Thanksgiving dinner for all her misfit friends. She's a gem.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
258. I'm shocked at some folks.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:08 PM
Aug 2012

Many of the replies on this thread sound racist and/or elitest. Do you realize that there are real people struggling and living under the most difficult circumstances in the cities mentioned. We should show a little more compassion for people living there. So many people are working to make a better life everywhere, and making fun of their efforts isn't productive for anyone. Several of these responses sound as if they could have been written by Ann Romney being driven through town with a clothespin on her nose.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
259. most people here haven't traveled outside usa it seems...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:08 PM
Aug 2012

all time worst? probably Al Hufuf, some podunk town in Saudi Arabia that's been there for 1000 years. 115 degrees with everyone using their air conditioning at eye level to dump out their heat -- which raises the ambient street temperature to something between 125+ to Hell. has about the charm of the worst imaginings of a podunk highly religious hellhole in america, and yes i've been through most of the states in the usa, except the executions are "delightful" public affairs. and the sanitation in the public bathrooms leaves every single vision of a bad bathroom you have in your mind completely and totally overshadowed (i'll leave you with the tidbit of 'there were clumps of shit dangling and dripping off of everything, including the ceiling').

but there's worse towns in SA i've heard, never been to them mercifully.

only recently? portside Callao, Peru. rough place. see all those pics of Camden or Detroit with boarded up houses? yeah, cut half of those buildings in half, just blow the roofs off completely, throw huge piles of trash in the streets, add feral dogs everywhere eating that trash or 'meat substances' in the street, dust, etc. and then add large groups of idle young men glowering with the rare roving policia to harass the 'hornets nest'. and those are the pleasantly underpopulated areas, not the seeming crowded alleyways filled with commerce.

all y'all are sheltered. i look forward to visiting Lagos, Nigeria once, perhaps in a steel cage or hamster bubble. from what i've heard it makes my two entries seem like a vacation!

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
269. I Don't Know to Say This,
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 04:53 PM
Aug 2012

but it's sad to read all the feelings of horror and avoidance here.

It may seem strange, but personally I kind of like urban blight -- boarded-up houses, warehouses, old dockyards, factories, and the like. It's more interesting than a clean-scrubbed suburb IMO. And in my experience, just acting like you belong there goes a long way toward staying out of trouble.

Being able to be in poor areas without discomfort really opens up the world. In 2004, I had a layover at the airport in Caracas, Venezuela. There was a working-class neighborhood nearby, and we decided to walk through it rather than wait at the airport. It was much more revealing of the country than the tourist attractions -- everyone was clean, neatly dressed, and going about their business. Like many poor areas, it was a world apart from the newspaper articles you read.

I have lived in many places, but was born in Newark NJ and currently live in a seedy part of South Baltimore. There are some prostitutes and drug dealers around, but people know me by now and I've never had any real trouble. It has its perks -- a lot of skilled people looking for side work, cheap mechanics, convenient location. A fairly new townhouse with a view of the harbor only cost $167k, and it was the most expensive house ever sold on the block.

The place I was most in fear of my life was New Haven, CT, right near Yale University in the late 70s and early 80s. Only time I was ever physically assaulted (two white guys actually), and there were a few near misses as well. But I wouldn't think of calling New Haven the worst -- there's too much great stuff there.

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leveymg

(36,418 posts)
276. Orlando, FL.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:31 PM
Aug 2012

Disneyworld landscape of air-conditioned Republican values, gated McMansions, SUVs with reflective black windows, and this billboard:

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
277. The one I lived in for the past several years...thank goodness no more...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:33 PM
Aug 2012

Macon, GA. A lot of reasons why, but wont elaborate. Though, about 18 years ago, Delhi, India ranked right up there..the old city, that is.

jpbollma

(552 posts)
305. I am moving to Downtown Detroit
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:08 PM
Aug 2012

Many parts of Detroit are seeing vast revitalization, however there are still huge swaths of bad. If you want to see a REALLY bad city, check out Highland Park. It is surrounded by Detroit. There is a joke that people from the suburbs don't go to Detroit and people from Detroit don't go to Highland Park. You would be hard pressed to find even one functioning business in this once beautiful city.

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roamer65

(36,745 posts)
309. IMHO, best American large city I have seen is Seattle.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:23 PM
Aug 2012

Seemed more like a Canadian city than an American one.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
319. it *used* to be a nice working class town. now it's yuppie central with all its quirks commer-
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 01:49 AM
Aug 2012

cialized.

i don't like the post-gates seattle.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
312. There are several places I've lived that
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:37 AM
Aug 2012

I'd just as soon never return to, much less live in:

Flushing (Queens) N.Y. - very commercial and well, HARD.
Orlando, FL - plastic, phoney
Visalia, Fresno, Bakersfield - each so isolated, inland, hot
Las Vegas - yikes!
Phoenix - so hot and lifeless, strip clubs
Duarte, CA - does have the City of Hope, otherwise sad, rundown

Like Pittsburgh, Chicago (not in winter), Minneapolis, Boston (Legal Seafood - yum), L.A. (downtown and east a big - Pasadena), San Diego, parts of Rome and Istanbul.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
315. Terre Haute, Indiana........
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:50 AM
Aug 2012

lived there for 10 months back in the '79. There was nothing but railroad tracks with freight trains and Columbia Records. No decent place to go out for dinner or a drink. Everyone belonged to some made up christian denomination. It was fucking scary & boring.

agentS

(1,325 posts)
321. Yangon and Bago, Burma/Myanmar
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 05:21 AM
Aug 2012

Why you ask? The filth... ever present and nigh-unavoidable. The smog from a million cars that haven't had an adequate tuneup in decades, if ever. Poop of all kinds everywhere. Less open sewers than expected, but seeing dead cows floating downriver was a bit of a shock. The noise of small engines and the occasional power outages would be enough to make a weak man run for the hills. The decay and filth made me throw away my sandals after returning, even after disinfection at customs.

The people were VERY friendly and nice; even the beggars were not aggressive or thieving.
Go for the people and the sites, but bring a teflon stomach and an iron will. And a first aid kit...

tblue

(16,350 posts)
326. Lima, Peru
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:50 AM
Aug 2012

Only because the poor have it so damn bad. No safety net whatsoever. Many live in cardboard sheds on mounds of dirt just outside the city. No water and no food. So they have to beg for money to feed their children. So sad! And the air is polluted too. Other than that, it's a great place to visit.

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