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Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:26 PM

A.O.C. and the Amazon pullout from N.Y.C,

I wonder if the decision to pull out of N.Y.C., was to put the skids on A.O.C. and left Democrats.

This will give Republicans ammunition on arguing that Dem positions cost jobs.

If she goes and other 2018 elected Dems go, Bezos and the billionaires get to keep their money. Giving up N.Y.C. would be a small price to pay.

Thoughts?

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Reply A.O.C. and the Amazon pullout from N.Y.C, (Original post)
3Hotdogs Feb 14 OP
dweller Feb 14 #1
tazkcmo Feb 14 #2
LongtimeAZDem Feb 14 #6
dweller Feb 14 #12
Mr. Frost Feb 15 #54
LongtimeAZDem Feb 15 #72
LongtimeAZDem Feb 15 #73
LongtimeAZDem Feb 15 #74
LongtimeAZDem Feb 15 #75
Turbineguy Feb 15 #77
SeattleVet Feb 14 #9
at140 Feb 15 #83
still_one Feb 14 #3
TheBlackAdder Feb 15 #50
Blue_true Feb 15 #78
Skidmore Feb 14 #4
NurseJackie Feb 14 #18
redstatebluegirl Feb 15 #28
NurseJackie Feb 15 #42
George II Feb 15 #86
lapucelle Feb 16 #103
Mariana Feb 16 #108
lapucelle Feb 16 #112
still_one Feb 16 #96
TheBlackAdder Feb 16 #99
3Hotdogs Feb 15 #71
brer cat Feb 15 #22
yortsed snacilbuper Feb 14 #5
Demsrule86 Feb 15 #31
Mr. Frost Feb 15 #55
Loki Liesmith Feb 15 #61
Mr. Frost Feb 15 #63
George II Feb 15 #69
Mr. Frost Feb 15 #79
Apollyonus Feb 16 #104
George II Feb 15 #70
Mr. Frost Feb 15 #80
George II Feb 16 #114
lapucelle Feb 16 #113
lapucelle Feb 16 #107
Blue_true Feb 15 #82
comradebillyboy Feb 15 #45
Squinch Feb 15 #58
AncientGeezer Feb 15 #91
New Hampshire Man Feb 14 #7
Fla Dem Feb 14 #8
Demsrule86 Feb 15 #33
Doremus Feb 14 #10
In It to Win It Feb 14 #11
comradebillyboy Feb 15 #47
DeminPennswoods Feb 14 #13
George II Feb 15 #19
DeminPennswoods Feb 15 #24
Johonny Feb 15 #26
theboss Feb 15 #66
George II Feb 15 #30
zipplewrath Feb 15 #34
George II Feb 15 #57
zipplewrath Feb 15 #64
theboss Feb 15 #67
mr_lebowski Feb 15 #46
AncientGeezer Feb 15 #43
George II Feb 15 #60
theboss Feb 15 #49
lapucelle Feb 16 #110
mathematic Feb 14 #14
NurseJackie Feb 14 #17
George II Feb 15 #20
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 15 #25
Demsrule86 Feb 15 #35
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 15 #41
Demsrule86 Feb 15 #51
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 15 #56
klook Feb 15 #68
AncientGeezer Feb 15 #90
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 16 #97
AncientGeezer Feb 16 #100
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 16 #102
AncientGeezer Feb 16 #105
KG Feb 14 #15
Apollyonus Feb 14 #16
brooklynite Feb 15 #21
myohmy2 Feb 15 #23
comradebillyboy Feb 15 #48
Power 2 the People Feb 15 #53
The Truth Is Here Feb 15 #27
underpants Feb 15 #29
3Hotdogs Feb 15 #32
underpants Feb 15 #36
3Hotdogs Feb 15 #40
Mr. Frost Feb 15 #62
Mr. Frost Feb 15 #59
Kurt V. Feb 15 #37
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Me. Feb 15 #38
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brooklynite Feb 15 #76
Blue_true Feb 15 #88
themaguffin Feb 16 #98
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Historic NY Feb 15 #81
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Autumn Feb 15 #94
AncientGeezer Feb 16 #101
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AncientGeezer Feb 16 #117
pecosbob Feb 15 #95
Apollyonus Feb 16 #106
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 16 #109

Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:31 PM

1. they can run

but they cannot hide ... death and taxes can't be avoided ...



oh, and what did the Buddhist monk say to the hot dog vendor?


make me 1 with everything 😁

✌🏼️

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Response to dweller (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:35 PM

2. Nice!

Thanks for the laugh.

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Response to dweller (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:54 PM

6. The monk hand the vendor a twenty, and asks, "where's my change"? The vendor says:

"Change comes from within".

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:30 PM

12. lol

so true

✌🏼️

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:48 PM

54. Got any more of those joke?

 

I get into arguements with a You Tube legalist christian conspiracist who claim that Christ is always the butt of jokes. I can never think of Buddhist jokes and other religion jokes. This would be put to good use.😀

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Response to Mr. Frost (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:01 PM

72. A zen student asked his master: "Is it okay to use email?" "Yes", replied the master,

“but with no attachments.”

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Response to Mr. Frost (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:02 PM

73. Why did the Buddhist coroner get fired?

He kept marking the cause of death as “birth.”

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Response to Mr. Frost (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:03 PM

74. What do you call a schizophrenic Zen Buddhist?

A man who is at "Two" with the Universe.

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Response to Mr. Frost (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:08 PM

75. The student asked, "Master, what is the sound of one hand clapping?"

The master slapped the student.

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:12 PM

77. I love a joke

with two punchlines.

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Response to dweller (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:15 PM

9. When the Dalai Lama was asked:



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Response to dweller (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:36 PM

83. Japanese guy goes to see eye doctor..

Doc says , "you have cataract"
He says "no Doc, I drive Rincon"

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:35 PM

3. It was a straight business decision from Amazons perspective. You have Virginia and Nashville who

opened Amazon with open arms, and 30% of those in NY didn't want this deal.

Those Democratic politicians who opposed it are going to blame it on Amazon, but the fact is it was a straight business decision from Amazon's perspective.



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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:36 PM

50. Amazon in South Jersey is so poorly run, a 80% employee turnover in a week, 90% in a month.

.

Employees are pitted against each other with monitors that display their produtivity with their coworkers.

They have to walk football fields to grab parts, with no scooters or other transportation, when they walk back, they have to go to another section blocks away. They are pressed to fold a box, packing fill it, get and fill merch, tape, packing label apackage every 30-45 seconds.

.

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:19 PM

78. I virulently oppose giving a company around $2 billion to bring in 25,000 jobs.

That much money in the hands of savvy venture capitalists could launch 10 companies that can become massive, generating hundreds of thousands of jobs. Politicians go after the here and now and don't think about better long term choices.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:36 PM

4. Not everything

is about Cortez. Just heard a discussion about this issue on MSNBC and a state legislator coalesced resistance the project due to the strain on infrastructure it would cause.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:14 PM

18. Well, THAT'S a relief!

Not everything
is about Cortez
Well, THAT'S a relief!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:36 PM

28. I guarantee you her next election will be about this.

I am sure the right wing are already making ads saying she doesn't support jobs in her district.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:04 PM

42. It's been my life experience that when someone offers informed advice and counsel...

... it's a good idea to not ignore it. When one is too quick to dismiss or too proud to accept sage guidance, it is done at one's own peril. And that's all I have to say about that.

I am sure the right wing are already making ads saying she doesn't support jobs in her district.
I have little doubt about that. I think the same can be said about possible primary challengers.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:57 PM

86. Word around Queens was that there already were thoughts of a primary challenge....

This might encourage any and all who were thinking about it.

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Response to George II (Reply #86)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:37 PM

103. I got an email from the congresswoman boasting about "making them pay"

for bringing up the idea of a primary challenge.

How is asking for money from me "making them pay"?

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #103)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:56 PM

108. I wish you'd post the complete email as an OP.

That would be very interesting reading.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #108)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:13 PM

112. "Make them pay a price for 'primary' threats" is the subject line.

Here's the actual size of the brand logo used in the email.


Here's the money pitch:

Can you make a $27 donation to our campaign today as a way of saying we will NEVER let the political and financial establishment wage a successful primary campaign against Alexandria?

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 12:14 AM

96. I suspect the Republicans will be painting the whole Democratic party as anti-business

because of this.

My first take was that wouldn't fly, but in the last few days, I am not so sure now




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Response to still_one (Reply #96)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 11:22 AM

99. Let's just declare what business is: Republicans love "Small Business" Koch, KPMG, Xe, etc. Small.

.

The Republicans love to claim that they are protecting Small Business, when in fact there are two versions of Small Business.

There's the Small Business that everyone thinks of, the Mom&Pop stores, the ACE Hardware, etc.

Then, there is the Small Business with less that 100 Owner/Partners, such as Koch Industries, KPMG, Xe, Halliburton, etc. Those are multi-billion dollar companies with tens of thousands of employees and some are in dozens of countries.


When Republicans push laws, they are pusing laws that benefit the large corporations, and their benefits are things that real small businesses cannot take advantage of. This is something that needs to be brought to the forefront.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:56 PM

71. Whew !!!

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:13 AM

22. +1 nt

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:42 PM

5. New York dodged a bullet!

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:42 PM

31. 25,000 jobs? I want a bullet like that in Cleveland.

Not to mention all the other jobs these jobs would create and the rising property values...oh the horror.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:53 PM

55. 25,000 is highly exagerated

 

Knowing Amazon is accelerating job killing automation.

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Response to Mr. Frost (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:11 PM

61. We must unite against the Jacquard loom!

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:16 PM

63. Oh come on now

 

You know what I mean.

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Response to Mr. Frost (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:23 PM

69. Don't you know what that facility was going to be?

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Response to George II (Reply #69)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:19 PM

79. I am more worried on the low end jobs.

 

Than office work

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Response to George II (Reply #69)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:37 PM

104. Some people think of Amazon

 

and ONLY think of warehouses.

They are not aware of the massive backoffice infrastructure that it takes to carry some 20,000 products in 900+ warehousesareound the world and delivering them to customers in order to satisfy them.

There is a lot of shooting from the hip going on, not realizing that these were not warehouse jobs but highly technical jobs paying 6 figure salaries and the 25,000 number would be achieved by 2028. They are not suddenly going to appear in Queens and start looking for apartments.

So ... how badly Amazon treats warehouse workers, or rising housing costs etc. are non-issues when it comes to THIS deal.

There is a great discussion of this at https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11828281

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Response to Mr. Frost (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:24 PM

70. If they didn't get to 25,000 workers they wouldn't have gotten many of the incentives.

People need to read the details of proposals/deals like this.

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Response to Mr. Frost (Reply #80)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:49 PM

114. The NYC facility wouldn't have been a warehouse.

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Response to George II (Reply #70)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:22 PM

113. It's amazing how NYS has accomplished under Cuomo what states like VT (for example) can't...

... a $15 minimum wage, free state university tuition, Roe v Wade codified into state law.

I remember 4-5 years ago when Andrew was sneered at as an "incrementalist" by the "I want it NOW, NOW, NOW!" contingent.

Guess what folks? Now (unlike states like VT) we've actually got it.

I'm more likely to trust Andrew Cuomo and Bill DiBlasio on this than those who are new on the job.

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Response to Mr. Frost (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:52 PM

107. That was the legal committment in the deal. Do you have a link to support the claim

that the headquarters/campus would have been somehow automated?

New York City officials said during a presentation Tuesday night that of the at least 25,000 jobs that the online retailer plans to bring to a new headquarters in Long Island City, Queens, 12,500 will be in tech.

The other half will be “administrative jobs, custodial staff, HR, all those things,” said Eleni Bourinaris-Suarez, vice president of government and community relations at the city’s Economic Development Corporation, which helped broker the Queens deal with Amazon.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:33 PM

82. Have Cleveland set up a soveign wealth fund instead of giving massive Corps the money.

Get the local universities and the Cleveland Clinic involved in incubating startups. You will within a decade create more jobs than a deal with Amazon could create in years. Amazon wants to float into a successful tech hub and have money thrown at it by politicians, money that can be better spend incubating local tech businesses. Microsoft built the Seattle tech hub that Amazon took advantage of, Microsoft started out as a small organization that did not get billions thrown at it, most of Northern Virginia, The Bay Area and Boston were built up that way, small startups growing big.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:17 PM

45. Albuquerque would love that bullet. So would almost anywhere else.

Chasing jobs away is not a winning Democratic strategy.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:02 PM

58. Yes we did. And there really are many cities that would love Amazon to

come in, as responders to this comment show. So Amazon should go where they are wanted and leave us alone! In glad they're not coming. I like my city.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 08:32 PM

91. Not really...we took a kick in the giblets.

A lot of lost revenue for NYC and NYS

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 02:57 PM

7. Thoughts?

D.U.M.B.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:05 PM

8. I thought it was not the best decision from the get go.

New York City already provides a ton of employment opportunities. They are congested and their infrastructure is already overburdened. My thought would be it would be better to be built where there is a need for jobs. If they wanted to be in the state of New York, there are plenty of less congested, higher unemployment cities they could have gone to. Granted they wouldn't have the proximity to 3 major airports.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:43 PM

33. That is untrue. These were good jobs. And would have helped the poor and middle class too.

New York needs jobs too.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:18 PM

10. Wringing my hands at the thought. Thanks for your concern. nt

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:21 PM

11. Weren't the final 20 cities under consideration by Amazon left leaning cities?

Correct me if wrong on this. If Democrats were the reason they decided not to go with NYC then they may as well redo their list.

Since their list was made up of left leaning areas, I don’t think that gives the right ammunition. Additionally, NYC doesn’t really lose anything by not having an Amazon headquarters there. It doesn’t change the dynamic of the city and doesn’t improve the city’s economy in any significant way. Although Amazon is a big fish, they are a small fish in a big NYC pond. The left can argue that NYC doesn’t really need Amazon.

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Response to In It to Win It (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:19 PM

47. Pretty much all major cities are 'left leaning'.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:35 PM

13. NYC's subway system is a mess.

I'm sure that 3B that was going to Amazon's and Bezos' pockets would help a lot in fixing it.

FTR, the same kind of discussion went on among Pittsburghers when Pittsburgh was on the list of potential HQ2 sites. There was sort of a collective sigh of relief when neither Pittsburgh nor Philadelphia was chosen.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 07:53 AM

19. Amazon would not be paid anything. The $3B was mostly in the form of tax abatement and..

it would be spread out over 25 years. Plus it would only take affect AFTER certain jobs criteria were met.

People are acting like Amazon was going to be handed a check for$3 billion on Day One.

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Response to George II (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:28 PM

24. Doesn't matter, it's still lost revenue

that could be used for other purposes. Amazon makes money hand over fist and Bezos is the richest person in the world. They don't need tax breaks.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:33 PM

26. Yup they don't need it. They got billions in reserve.

Every time a city gives money away to these companies, they get burned in the long run. Why'd we give them a tax cut if not to have them use that money. Instead they want more and more.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:30 PM

66. I agree with you, but that's separate issue

The idea that NYC now has an extra $3 billion is simply wrong.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:40 PM

30. Well, even if the City and State gave 75% abatements (an exaggeration)...

....there still would be 25% revenue. As it stands now there is zero revenue.

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Response to George II (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:46 PM

34. You presume

You presume that nothing else will be done with the property. That's highly unlikely in NYC.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:02 PM

57. Property is assessed based on the property itself and any improvements on that property.

I can't imagine any development that would be assessed more than the proposed high-tech, upscale office complex.

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Response to George II (Reply #57)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:19 PM

64. It would be more than zero

And in fact the difference could be less than the tax benefits being distributed.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:31 PM

67. It's a part of Queens that has not been on developers' radar

That could change of course.

But I feel like we are discussing several different things at once.

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Response to George II (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:18 PM

46. Unless... UNLESS!!!

Somebody ELSE could move in, take that SAME SPOT, get an even LOWER tax break, and earn even MORE money than Amazon would have and then ... BAM ... even MOAR revenues!

BOOYAH!

And totally no problem ... I'm sure the suitors are lined up ...

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:13 PM

43. Actually it wasn't "lost revenue". NYS was not giving Amazon a pile of money.

The employees pay state and City taxes. The facilities those employees would use pay State and City taxes..restaurants, car services, convenience stores, grocery stores, clothing stores, furniture stores....you get the idea.

Then of course there's the construction projects....and the employees there...all City and State taxpayers.

The $3bil was not a hand out...that can be used anyplace else. The money doesn't exist.

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:07 PM

60. C'mon man....you're WAY to practical and objective....

...

People are acting like once Amazon started building that State and City officials would drive up and hand someone a check for $3B.

That's not how it would have worked. The abatements, rebates, grants would not begin until specific objectives were met, and would continue over a period of 25 years. If they didn't meet the hiring goals, the incentives would not go into effect.

So now the blighted, abandoned, and run-down buildings will continue to sit there at very low assessed value / very low tax revenue.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:29 PM

49. There's no $3 billion that is now free for something else

The $3 billion was something Amazon would not pay in the future. Now, I'm opposed to those kinds of tax break to huge corporations. But that's an entirely separate debate.

There's not an extras $3 billion that can be spent on subways now. In fact, there is less, because Amazon is paying no taxes and neither are any of the 25,000 employees who no longer exist.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:00 PM

110. The details are important

New York City officials said during a presentation Tuesday night that of the at least 25,000 jobs that the online retailer plans to bring to a new headquarters in Long Island City, Queens, 12,500 will be in tech.

The other half will be “administrative jobs, custodial staff, HR, all those things,” said Eleni Bourinaris-Suarez, vice president of government and community relations at the city’s Economic Development Corporation, which helped broker the Queens deal with Amazon.

snip=============================================

In order to fund local infrastructure—streets, sidewalks, open space and the like—Amazon will utilize the city’s PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) program, estimated by Deputy Mayor Alicia Glen at $600 to $650 million over four decades; the specifics of how those funds will be allocated will be decided upon via community engagement.


https://ny.curbed.com/2018/11/16/18098589/amazon-hq2-nyc-queens-long-island-city-explained

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:40 PM

14. Her political victory is really a conspiracy against her?

She wanted what she got but without the consequences of getting what she wanted? I'm trying to figure out how this makes any sense. Which are you suggesting, that she's a moron, a liar, or an opportunist?

This victim mentality is really tiresome.

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Response to mathematic (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:09 PM

17. Amen to that!

This victim mentality is really tiresome.
Amen to that!

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Response to mathematic (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 07:56 AM

20. What " political victory"?

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Response to mathematic (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:32 PM

25. This wasn't her victory and she didn't claim it was.

Stop buying into the talking points.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:49 PM

35. This is what people are discussing...her response to the news of the pullout.

“Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world,” she (AOC) tweeted."

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:58 PM

41. Yeah. Where in that does she take credit for it?

She even pretty much says it wasn't politicians that did it but "everyday New Yorkers."

I realize people are talking about it and want to say she is taking credit for it, but she isn't. DU should be above falling for the concern of the RW.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:39 PM

51. She called it a victory...it will be used against her...and there are other tweets...if you check.

I am not happy about this.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:58 PM

56. So if I am a Patriots fan and I tweet "some great people just won the Superbowl"

Then I'm claiming to be a part of that victory?

That makes no sense.

By your argument, when people on CNN talk about something that happened as being good (or bad), they are claiming to be a part of it?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #56)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:57 PM

68. "There were very fine people on both sides."

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 08:25 PM

90. She certainly did...

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #90)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:59 AM

97. Nowhere in that tweet does she say she was in that group

So if I tweet:

Today was the day that a group of wonderful people won the Super Bowl.

Am I claiming that I was in the group that won?

This seems like a lot of contortions to try find a way to not like AOC.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #97)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:26 PM

100. She certainly says "We" quite often

And she believes there was a $3bill pot of money. There wasn't.
Now there won't be any tax revenue for the City or state from employees with good wages and the goods and services the would have spent money on.

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #100)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:32 PM

102. She's from NY. It would be her tax dollars.

And I'm still dumbfounded that people on DU are supporting corporate welfare and anti-union corporations.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #102)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:40 PM

105. I've lived here for 57 yrs. I've seen these

deals work way more often than not.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:44 PM

15. I lulz'd

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:06 PM

16. Cortez had nothing to do with

 

but if she does take credit for Amazon changing its mind, there will be a lot of unhappy constituents for her to deal with. A lot of people wanted Amazon and the economic boost to the local economy.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 08:58 AM

21. If so (and it's not) AOC shouldn't play into their hands with foolish comments

When interviewed yesterday, she said the $3 B could be better spent on education or subways. But there IS no $3 B to spend. This was a waiver on tax revenue that WOULD have come in if Amazon had stayed (you can argue that they were too generous, but there would also have been tax revenue from the employees and well as the economic value of their spending in the City); if the jobs go, the revenue goes as well.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:19 AM

23. I'm with...

...AOC...when are the corporate Dems going to stand with us instead of billionaires?

...a real 3 billion in tax breaks is just more corporate welfare for Amazon and their supposed 25,000 future employees...

…an imaginary 27 billion in economic benefit is just more wall-street casino gambling especially when wall-street decides to crash the economy again...

...the real 3 billion could go to better schools, infrastructure repairs or improved public services...

...so, when they call you a Communist, just call them a Nazi...

...May God Bless New York City and the United States of America...

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Response to myohmy2 (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:25 PM

48. Corporate dems again? Most people work for corporations.

Corporations provide the vast majority of jobs, goods and services. Sorry but people who want to bring in new jobs will never be viewed as the enemy by voters.

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Response to myohmy2 (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:46 PM

53. +1

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:34 PM

27. Nope, but AOC did acknowledge that Google is building in NYC.. WITHOUT asking for bennies.

 

Big difference between Google and Amazon.

Amazon's the cheap fuck who wants things built for them at no cost.

Google is spending $1 billion on a new campus in the West Village.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:37 PM

29. It was a business decision. AOC is not that powerful

Everyone needs to get a grip on this.

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Response to underpants (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:42 PM

32. Its not about her power. The topic is about how Rep.s will use Amazon's decision against her

and other Dems.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:50 PM

36. First, she's not losing that district. Second, Repubs have a lot bigger problem

Her district is waaaaay blue. She won the primary against a sure bet incumbent. The demographics of the district have changed.

Repubs can throw her into the national stage (at their peril) while Clustertrump will continue to run his gaping stupid pie hole. Yes people are easily manipulated but Trump is on a constant slide and talking doesn’t help him or them.

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Response to underpants (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:53 PM

40. I agree with you on the first part. I hope you are right about the second part of your post.

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Response to underpants (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:13 PM

62. Do not overestimate the way blue.

 

Republicans have plenty of weapons in the arsonal. I feel that the organization Justice Democrats (the org that put AOC on the ticket) could be a target that would result in a similar fate as ACORN. They must be protected at all costs.

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Response to underpants (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:03 PM

59. I like AOC a lot

 

She speaks truth. She is an idealist, which government in its current form heavily lacks. But her greatest gift and strength is her daring. She is NOT afraid to dare.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:51 PM

37. Corporate extortion needs to stop. this practice is illegal in the EU.

the community organized to help stop amazon which is not in aoc's district.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:41 PM

85. I completely agree. nt

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:51 PM

38. And Yet Google Is Investing A Billion & Didn't Ask For A Dime

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:53 PM

39. Again...

...Nothing about the Amazon deal changed. Not one penny less. Not one more concession to the community. Nothing at all.

The only thing that happened between the time the deal was announced, and when they pulled out of the deal is some people and politicians pointed out that it was overall a pretty bad deal, like all of these deals usually are, and that data has shown that locales that engage in these deals lose more than they gain in the end.

This maneuver was strictly to send a message to Democrats: Keep your liberals in line or else! Same intention as the Schulz presidential run. It's not enough to turn over billions of taxpayers dollars to Jeff Bezos. It's not enough to get nothing in return. You need to make sure there is no criticism of us whatsoever.


And sadly enough based on the responses on here, a sizable amount of people are more than happy to be extorted and bullied by Amazon.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:15 PM

44. Chasing jobs away is never a good look.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:40 PM

52. The notion that Ocasio Cortez....

.... did not advocate for the rejection of Amazon and didn't take any credit for it shows a lack of due diligence, willfull ignorance, or both.

Snip:
One of the most vocal opponents of Amazon's planned presence in Queens was Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, whose congressional district borders the district that includes Long Island City.

"Anything is possible," she tweeted on Thursday in response to Amazon's decision. "Today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon's corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/02/14/ocasio-cortez-amazon-cancelling-nyc-hq-proves-anything-is-possible.html

Some constituents and some Everyday People defeated Amazon Them and several politicians, but mainly politicians as is proven in the polls. It most definitely was not a majority of New Yorkers, and most notably 70% of the African American community and 81% of the Latino Community were in favor of Amazon locating in New York. The only demographic that showed a negative toward Amazon coming to New York was the repuglican demographic. There are too many people here who want to push the narrative that the citizens of New York don't know what's good for them.


NYS voters 56%
NYC voters 58%
Democrats 56%
Republicans 47%
Others 64%
Union workers 53%
Nonunion workers 57%
White 51%
African-American 70%
Latino 81%
18-34 57%
35-54 60%
55+ 52%

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/opinion/all-kinds-new-york-voters-support-amazon-hq-deal


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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:22 PM

65. It was ridiculous that they chose NYC to begin with

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #65)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:10 PM

76. Um, because you should NOT locate in a major financial hub and transportation center?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #76)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 07:04 PM

88. A somewhat irrelevant question.

Anyone should know why they would want to locate there. The issue is given a couple billion to have the company there, is public money spent wisely that way? I think it would not be.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #76)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 09:44 AM

98. Please don't do that. They laid out their needs in the RFP.

Additionally part of the problem in Seattle is that their presence has made the COL extremely high.

NYC is ALREADY extremely high, as is DC. The better fit would be a large city that isn't off the charts in cost and can absorb thousands of jobs.

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #65)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:58 PM

87. NYC allows them to have the type of workers they were looking for.

Staten Island and the other part of NYC that the facility would have been can use the development. What I oppose is a company having a completion between cities to get the jobs, all the public money that is promised to get them.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:28 PM

81. They should have went north of the city...

centering where they could draw from the rust belt cities...in upstate and along the border of NY and Pa
& Pa Upstate is bleeding people looking for opportunity.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:38 PM

84. Surprised the GOP is crediting AOC, and giving her that much power. I think it had more to do

with their tax breaks and finding out taxpayers were paying for bezos helipad, etc, and their concern about housing.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 07:04 PM

89. Bezos is a greedy thief.

GOP policies and policies in general that amount to taxpayer subsidies for billionaires are ruining the country.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 08:33 PM

92. Amazon was getting 3B in incentives from taxpayers to build in NYC. Google is paying 1B

of their own money to build in West Village (Hudson & Washington St) campus. I think fuck Amazon, if Amazon wants to build and enlarge their company they can spend their money to grow it, not use the taxpayers money.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #92)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 08:48 PM

93. Your post is misleading...

Amazon wasn't getting taxpayer money. I live in NY...
Long Island City would have been rolling in money....from the employees during the life of this deal.
Car services, restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations, where people buy clothes, rents, home purchases...
The stream of money...would have been a boon for Queens, the City and the State.

Also the construction projects....all adding to the economy..City taxes, State Taxes...and all the ancillary support....now, all lost.

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #93)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:09 PM

94. Having lived in a city where a large business was given similar incentives on a smaller scale, of

course, I know what happened and what the cost were to taxpayers were.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #94)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:31 PM

101. I've lived in NY all my life..I've seen these things work

Way more often than not.

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #101)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 08:10 PM

111. It's the "not" that's the problem. nt

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Response to Autumn (Reply #111)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 09:14 PM

115. Maybe you missed this polling of NY'ers about the project

Demographic *
NYS voters 56%
NYC voters 58%
Democrats 56%
Republicans 47%
Others 64%
Union workers 53%
Nonunion workers 57%
White 51%
African-American 70%
Latino 81%
18-34 57%
35-54 60%
55+ 52%
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/opinion/all-kinds-new-york-voters-support-amazon-hq-deal

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #115)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 09:28 PM

116. I'm not a citizen of NY so the poll is of no interest to me. I gave my opinion based on my

experience.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #116)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 09:38 PM

117. As I said I was born here..... in 1961..

And have seen these deals work Often...Way more often than not

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:21 PM

95. F*ck Amazon with a big 'F'. Local governments starve because of these extortion contests

One big race to the bottom, while it was reported yesterday that Amazon got a tax rebate after reporting like 50 billion in profits...I simply don't have enough f8ck you's in me for Amazon.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:40 PM

106. AOC should have spent more time studying the deal

 

and discussing it with Mayor De Blasio, Governor Cuomo and the rest of the NY Democratic elected officials before opposing it. She could have asked for modifications to the deal and in turn educated her supporters who were opposing the deal.

Education is such a good thing -- especially for inexperienced newbies like me ... just the other day I had to ask how something on DU worked.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 07:59 PM

109. She wants to claim credit for it

Don't know if she's the reason or even part of it.

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