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Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:17 PM

A rare and alarming moment of candor from one of Putin's henchmen:





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Reply A rare and alarming moment of candor from one of Putin's henchmen: (Original post)
MelissaB Feb 11 OP
calimary Feb 11 #1
empedocles Feb 11 #2
davekriss Feb 11 #7
backtoblue Feb 11 #3
dixiegrrrrl Feb 11 #6
japple Feb 11 #15
HopeAgain Feb 11 #4
anarch Feb 11 #5
Botany Feb 11 #8
Alwaysna Feb 11 #9
Mr.Bill Feb 11 #10
Wounded Bear Feb 11 #12
world wide wally Feb 11 #11
Botany Feb 11 #13
Marcuse Feb 11 #14
DirtEdonE Feb 11 #16
ananda Feb 11 #17
The_jackalope Feb 11 #18
pecosbob Feb 11 #19
czarjak Feb 11 #20
PatSeg Feb 11 #21
spanone Feb 11 #22

Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:20 PM

1. Boy does that ever nail it.

They understand us better than we understand ourselves. Experts at psy-ops. And what are WE doing about it???

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:30 PM

2. An avid trumpster I knew, quite 'knowledgeable', disdained wapo and msm.

Prided himself with much better information, [from unnamed rw sources]. He was a frequent acquaintance for over a year, ending in fall of 2018. In retrospect, he might have followed rw cover feeds - and been an unwitting Russian victim . Nam vet, I don't think he had any Russian news tolerance.

Ominous OP.

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Response to empedocles (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:45 PM

7. Very ominous OP, indeed!

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:37 PM

3. Brain meddling psyops...

Targeted propaganda through Cambridge Analytica, et al. Terrifying

I think when/if the entire scope of the psychological warfare used on our citizens becomes public, we're going to be horrified.

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:43 PM

6. This where the quote came from, I believe.


Psy-Group stood out from many of its rivals because it didn’t just gather intelligence; it specialized in covertly spreading messages to influence what people believed and how they behaved. Its operatives took advantage of technological innovations and lax governmental oversight. “Social media allows you to reach virtually anyone and to play with their minds,” Uzi Shaya, a former senior Israeli intelligence officer, said. “You can do whatever you want. You can be whoever you want. It’s a place where wars are fought, elections are won, and terror is promoted. There are no regulations. It is a no man’s land.”

In recent years, Psy-Group has conceived of a variety of elaborate covert operations. In Amsterdam, the firm prepared a report on a religious sect called the Brunstad Christian Church, whose Norwegian leader, Psy-Group noted, claimed to have written “a more important book than the New Testament.” In Gabon, Psy-Group pitched “Operation Bentley”—an effort to “preserve” President Ali Bongo Ondimba’s hold on power by collecting and disseminating intelligence about his main political rival. (It’s unclear whether or not the operations in Amsterdam and Gabon were carried out. A spokesperson for Brunstad said that it was “plainly ridiculous” that the church considered “any book” to be more important than the Bible. Ondimba’s representatives could not be reached for comment.) In another project, targeting the South African billionaire heirs of an apartheid-era skin-lightening company, Psy-Group secretly recorded family members of the heirs describing them as greedy and, in one case, as a “piece of shit.” In New York, Psy-Group mounted a campaign on behalf of wealthy Jewish-American donors to embarrass and intimidate activists on American college campuses who support a movement to put economic pressure on Israel because of its treatment of the Palestinians.

Psy-Group’s larger ambition was to break into the U.S. election market. During the 2016 Presidential race, the company pitched members of Donald Trump’s campaign team on its ability to influence the results. Psy-Group’s owner, Joel Zamel, even asked Newt Gingrich, the former House Speaker, to offer Zamel’s services to Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law. The effort to drum up business included brash claims about the company’s skills in online deception. The posturing was intended to attract clients—but it also attracted the attention of the F.B.I. Robert Mueller, the special counsel, has been examining the firm’s activities as part of his investigation into Russian election interference and other matters.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211806780

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:48 PM

15. Sadly, it probably won't even register with those who have been brainwashed.

eom

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:18 PM

4. This is where education has failed us

So many Americans leave school without any ability to think critically.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 03:31 PM

5. it's true--the Russians have taken social engineering to a new level

Brexit, this fucking disaster here in the U.S....pretty impressive results, really.

And their army of Weaponized Dumbasses is champing at the bit, ready and willing to rise up and slaughter "the libruls" at a moment's notice.

Why waste money building up a conventional military force, when you can employ social engineering and cyberattacks such that you can get your enemies to tear themselves apart from within?

Meanwhile, the Chinese have basically ascended to the top of the ladder when it comes to technological innovation and scientific knowledge--America's "education system" has given us a largely ignorant and frankly stupid population...great for guaranteeing a supply of gullible "consumers" and for keeping the GDP going mostly through debt obligations; not so great for meeting the challenges of the day (climate change chief among them, in my opinion).

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:14 PM

8. NRA, Fox News, NFL player kneeling, and no doubt the Christian right.

BTW this tweet although it is true is pure gas lighting but after we take power back
Mr. Scherba might meet an early death or something.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:24 PM

9. Sad but someone will say this is "fake news" and

The brainwashed will believe it.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:27 PM

10. And yet they didn't get to many of us even a little bit.

Perhaps the answer is to study those who weren't affected by it, and what we have in common.
I know people from all over the social, racial, financial, educational and religious spectrums who were taken in by this.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:36 PM

12. The problem is that our gov't system is vulnerable to vocal minorities...

It was set up that way from the beginning. It's especially true when such small percentages of the population participates.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:33 PM

11. This proves that they have been meddling with Trump for a very verrrry long time.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:42 PM

13. It turns out that Russia was some of the money behind the apprentice so a certain % ...

.... of Americans would believe he was a smart and successful businessperson. Which truth
be told he was not. Don has been a con man for years and Russia used that and his ego and
personality disorders in order to put him in the White House.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 04:47 PM

14. It only works on the weak-minded.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:02 PM

16. Great minds think alike

And small minds rarely differ.

And that's because about one-third of the U.S. population is now officially just fucking stupid. And stupid always wins.

The stupid have won here.

"Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed – in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous."
- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:03 PM

17. Not mine! That's for sure!

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:03 PM

18. Surkov, Dugin, Gerasimov, Putin

The unholy quartet behind Brexit and the election of Trump - and who knows what other global chaos? All funded by Russian mob/government money.

How do we know we weren't also victims? They play both sides of the net.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:10 PM

19. I'm a veteran and generally a peace-loving kind of guy

but if I were president for a day, Vlad had better not step out of doors for very long or he'd be kissing a Tomahawk.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:17 PM

20. Nyet Collusion!

Huh, Comrade?

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:20 PM

21. Wow

That is pretty alarming. They are really good at what they do, we have every right to be alarmed.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 05:28 PM

22. This is some seriously crazy place were at with trump & putin.

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