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Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:05 AM

How to explain to a right-winger that Trump is amoral.

"Picture this: A husband is cheating on his wife. What would Donald Trump say to convince him to stop?"



"Picture this: A mob of Klansmen wants to lynch a black guy. On their way to a tree where they want to hang him, they run into Donald Trump. What would Donald Trump say to convince them that this is wrong?"



"Picture this: An employer has used financial trickery to cheat his employees out of what they are legally owed. Donald Trump hears of that and has a private talk with the employer. What would Donald Trump say to convince him that giving the employees their money is the right thing to do?"



"Picture this: An immigrant girl comes to Donald Trump's doorstep. She's from South-America, from a place run by raping and murdering gangs. She's in the country illegally because it's the only way to avoid being raped and murdered because nobody would believe her that she's in danger of being raped and murdered. If the ICE finds her, she will be sent back to the rapists and murderers. What would Donald Trump do?"

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:11 AM

1. There's a huge flaw in your theory

And that is that a Trump supporter would actually have a problem with any of those situations.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:20 AM

4. So true! nt

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:49 AM

18. They wouldn't, of course.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:12 AM

2. in every case trump's deplorables think trumo is perfect.

never has a cult so deserved their leader as the deplorables.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:12 AM

3. Explain to right wingers?

No. Just no.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:43 AM

5. Don't waste your time

America doesn't need these traitors, they need to be ostracized and shunned.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:50 AM

6. First, you have to explain to them what amoral means. Then, you have to

explain it again. Maybe a few more times with graphics, visual aids, what have you. Then......

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:22 AM

9. That was the first thing I thought, too.

You would probably never get them to understand the distinction between amoral and immoral.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:59 AM

7. He said, on camera: "I don't stand by anything."

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:10 AM

8. Immoral.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:25 AM

10. The "pro-life" crap

Outweighs ANY and ALL moral failings. To most of them. Bringing up those issues is spitting in the wind.
I only know one fervent “pro-lifer” who hates Trump, she can’t get past the kids in cages and the hatred for immigrants. But only one.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:37 AM

11. They would just look at you funny and ask, "Why would tRump want to do any of those things?"

He'd a laugh or just walk on by...

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:42 AM

12. i engage these people 5 days a week. it takes time.

Currently working on a tenured prof at the university here in my town. after 3 months I'm seeing a crack in his armor.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:00 AM

14. In case no one else has told you this week....

you're a damn fine fellow Kurt V, and keep up the brave work......

Perhaps you can keep us informed on your progress and give us some hints from time to time......

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:00 AM

15. thank you for the kind words.

i use the method that DetlefK described. paint a picture. i just stretch it out over many conversations.
I'll make a post of some other tools i use.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:53 AM

13. In all those cases - based on his history - Trump would...

like a good flim-flam man, spin the facts around until there was a way for him to profit from it.

For example, in the case of the lynching, tRump would convince the Klansmen that if at the last minute they spared the black guy's life, they could keep him enslaved for free labor for the rest of his live.

However, the only way to convince anyone that has not followed a bit of tRump's history that he's amoral is to cite several examples of his history.....and it would be good to have pictures!

Many won't believe you no matter what you tell them because their preachers have told them he's their savior....

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:02 AM

16. First you have to find a moral Trumpist, then one that is not a rank hypocrite...

then one who is not a gullible magical thinker.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:04 AM

17. It's like you think they care whether he is or not.

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