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Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:50 PM

Let's talk about my Patriots!

For years, we have witnessed many comments on this board concerning the New England Patriots and their "love" of Trump. Some go so far as to say us New Englanders should shun our own team due to the possible political opinions and actions of Bob Kraft, Bill Belichick and Tom "GOAT" Brady.

I disagree.

We already have several players state they will not visit the White House if invited. One, Duron Harmon, has even suggested he would like to do as the Warriors did and meet with Obama instead! To me, this suggests that the Pats are indeed a team I could support, since they have players of this great moral strength!

tldr: Not All Patriots!

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Reply Let's talk about my Patriots! (Original post)
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 OP
hlthe2b Feb 2019 #1
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #7
Jeffersons Ghost Feb 2019 #11
GusBob Feb 2019 #2
Initech Feb 2019 #3
flamingdem Feb 2019 #4
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2019 #5
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #6
Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #14
rockfordfile Feb 2019 #41
Croney Feb 2019 #8
murielm99 Feb 2019 #9
bdamomma Feb 2019 #36
demtenjeep Feb 2019 #10
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #12
demtenjeep Feb 2019 #13
Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #16
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #17
pwb Feb 2019 #37
DinahMoeHum Feb 2019 #15
RhodeIslandOne Feb 2019 #35
drbtg1 Feb 2019 #18
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #19
drbtg1 Feb 2019 #20
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #21
drbtg1 Feb 2019 #22
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #24
drbtg1 Feb 2019 #34
Tarc Feb 2019 #23
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #25
drbtg1 Feb 2019 #38
drbtg1 Feb 2019 #32
Tarc Feb 2019 #39
drbtg1 Feb 2019 #40
Tarc Feb 2019 #42
Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2019 #26
edbermac Feb 2019 #27
LAS14 Feb 2019 #28
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #29
Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #30
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #31
Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #43
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #44
RhodeIslandOne Feb 2019 #33
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #45
RhodeIslandOne Feb 2019 #46
ExciteBike66 Feb 2019 #47
RhodeIslandOne Feb 2019 #48

Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

1. Good on the players who won't go (WH)

Good on the fans who support them.

But, even so, they did manage to give us one of the most boring SuperBowls on record, so there is that....

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:02 PM

7. True, though a few years ago they did the most exciting, so...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:08 PM

11. Good for MANY NFL players, who refused to stand during the National Anthem, early in the season...

Who has a list of NFL players, who refused to stand for the National Anthem, at the beginning of the season, to protest tRumps racist agenda?

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

2. After everything Trump has done to the NFL in the past 2 years

-bad mouthing the protests
-bad mouthing the ratings
-bad mouthing the owners
-encouraging boycotts
-calling the players soft, calling them SOB's
-Pence walking out of a game

After all this any NFL player who visits the WH is a traitor to the league and his colleagues therein and can no longer be considered a professional athlete

Fortunately, by the time the Packers make the SB an Honorable man or woman will be president

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

3. Well yeah after knowing what kind of food awaits them, who could blame them?

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:00 PM

4. Hooray, there's another one who won't go

https://www.tmz.com/2019/02/04/another-patriots-player-wont-visit-trumps-white-house/

* Didn't Brady skip going the last time?

The count is up to two Patriots players who say they will NOT visit the White House to meet Donald Trump -- with a third leaning heavily toward no.

Star safety Devin McCourty told the Associated Press while returning to New England on Monday with the Lombardi Trophy that he will not visit No. 45 if the Pats elect to go.

His twin brother, star corner Jason McCourty, was a little less committal ... but still seems like he'll follow his bro's lead and avoid 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. as well.

"I havenít thought about it, but I highly doubt it," Jason said.

Of course, New England safety Duron Harmon has already pulled out of the possible event ... telling TMZ Sports after the Super Bowl, "They don't want me in the White House."

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:01 PM

5. Dude, the owner and the coach and the QB are all Trump supporters.

Spin it however you have to to feel comfortable with yourself for cheering for Team MAGA, I guess.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:02 PM

6. Your comment was already addressed in my post. nt

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:13 PM

14. But he found three players who aren't (out of 53), so you're wrong! LOL

To be fair, I donít think anyone should change teams. Why give this disgusting owner that sort of power over your life? There was just a story that the Cubs are owned by Trumpers as well...I imagine many teams are. To own a sports team, you need a lot of money and a big ego, and anyone who fits that description stands a good chance of being a Republican.

That said, yeah, itís Team Trump. Patriots fans need to own that.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 04:03 PM

41. True

I don't have any problem with anybody cheering for their team. I remember the owner of the Clippers being a racist pos.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:03 PM

8. The Patriots will outlast the fake president and that's coming soon.

Not soon enough, but soon.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:05 PM

9. If you choose to support your team,

I have no problem with that. Sometimes we should be allowed to enjoy sports or other forms of entertainment without entangling political opinions in the mix.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:39 PM

36. That whole

infusion of sport and politics should be separate, but that's what happens when you have a racist so called president.

I totally agree with your comment.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:06 PM

10. naw, I don't want to talk about cheaters

we have enough of them in this world

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:08 PM

12. I forgot how the deflated balls put up 45 points on the Colts that year....nt

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:09 PM

13. how about spying on opposite teams during games

more than once

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:17 PM

16. Oh, that's okay if you're Republican

Remember, itís only Democrats that have to follow the rules.

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:20 PM

17. Gasp, they looked at other coaches while those coaches were talking!

And from a "bad" spot!

I hear that Spygate also put up 45 points on the Colts in the AFC game a few years back...

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:43 PM

37. Don't the referees handle the ball after every play?

Just saying. They should have been able to tell. And both teams play with the same balls sometimes.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:16 PM

15. There's no guarantee that Brady goes to the WH anyway.

IIRC, he didn't go the last time the Pats won the Super Bowl either.

And then there's Gisele, his high-fashion model better half, who, I hear, hates Trump.
I understand she's the one who wears the pants in their marriage.

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:37 PM

35. Tommy will duck out with his usual "My parents are in town" excuse

 

The guy is the epitome of a PR fraud. He'll never have the guts to just say Trump is a fucking scumbag like a functioning human being.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:10 PM

18. For years, plenty of Patriot hate from me due to the crap the Kraft family (and the NFL) pulled...

...20 years ago about moving the team to Hartford when it was never their intention (and they had to repay CT for the crap they pulled). (For those outside of New England, on game days, Foxboro is an absolute disaster. Foxboro is basically the Armpit Of New England. Hartford would have been vastly superior with 2 intersecting interstates and plenty of potential locations.) Hartford was just a pawn in the pissing contest between the Krafts and Mass. leaders, so screw them. Consequestly, it's no surprise the sleazy Patriots leaders are on team MAGA.

(However, they did loan their team plane to the students for the March For Our Lives rally, so my hatred has lessened to some degree.)

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Response to drbtg1 (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 08:13 AM

19. Hartford would have been a peach for me, I grew up just outside of the city.

Sucked when the Whalers left...

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 09:06 AM

20. True. Another Rowland achievement!

The Rowland record: failed to keep the Whalers in CT (although I think the fix was in due to Weicker), failed to avoid the games of the sleazy Krafts, failed to capitalize on the Clinton era economic boom, and failed to avoid jailtime.....twice.

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Response to drbtg1 (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 09:27 AM

21. I heard he had a nice hot tub, though...

Rachel Dratch voice: Are you here without a lover?

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 10:23 AM

22. Haha! Y'know, people may trashtalk CT, but at least when Republicans politicians commit crimes...

...in CT, they go to jail!

But yeah, I'm sure the free hot tub was worth the federal accommodations.

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Response to drbtg1 (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 11:16 AM

24. Did he go to Danbury?

That prison probably has a hot tub itself...

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:35 PM

34. I don't think he went there.

I thought he went somewhere in Pennsylvania. No idea if that's considered a Club Fed.

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Response to drbtg1 (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 10:34 AM

23. I do not recall there being a penalty for bowing out of the Hartford deal

But if you have a source that states otherwise, I'd be happy to see it.

The deal included several out clauses for Kraft, for if the steam plant could not be moved, if the site could not be cleaned (the ground was saturated with old coal tar), and such.

It's business, nothing nefarious. Perhaps the CT governor at the time should not have promised things before securing them.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 11:17 AM

25. "Perhaps the CT governor at the time should not have promised things before securing them. "

That's a bit too much to ask of any politician, isn't it?

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:48 PM

38. Very true, and yet, it doesn't stop certain politicians from making those promises. In fact...

...I seem to recall a certain orange tinted Republican promising Mexico would pay for something.

(To that I say (to paraphrase "Jerry Maguire", "Show Me The Pesos!!!"

...but I digress.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:13 PM

32. You'd be happy to see it?!?

Well, that is the most polite way I've heard around here asking for proof, so I'll give you points for that.

You can look for the article in the March 3, 2000 edition of the New York Times about the $2.4 million the Krafts and the NFL sent to CT in order to avoid a full-on lawsuit, which anyone who has followed then-Attorney General and now-Senator Richard Blumenthal knows he would have most certainly pursued. (No, no links. There is one, but that would be too easy. Besides, I already gave you points )

As for the steam plant and coal tar BS, there were plenty of other locations, as Rentschler Field and Dunkin' Donuts Park have overwhelmingly proven since then. But crafty Kraft insisted on that one site? Why is that lone site the only place he would accept? Hmm? Maybe because that would guarantee him an "out clause" while he was still illegally negotiating with Massachusetts? Hmmm???

No, it was not business. It was a contract violation, and thus fraud with a government entity. 100% Nefarious.

Congrats on your championship, however which way they got it.

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Response to drbtg1 (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 01:06 PM

39. Ahh, yes I see

In Lieu of Patriots, Hartford Gets a Check for $2.4 Million

Not so much a penalty, but rather a reimbursement for the initial costs and studies and such. It also came from the League, not Kraft. As for the other bit, the initial agreement was for the steam plant land, not a less-desirable East Hartford location. If you'd like to read a pretty good recap of the events; Hartfordís White Whale: How the Patriots Almost Became Connecticutís Team


Again, it's business. Kraft negotiated those escape clauses, and the governor signed off on them, for if the site wasn't gong to be ready by 2002. Sorry that your claim to fame remains a hockey team known as the Forever .500s, but them's the breaks.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 02:30 PM

40. Is that the Sports Illustrated article talking about how much trouble the Kraft family member ...

...would be in if he was seen taking to the Massachusetts guy because that's a contract violation and thus fraud? I seem to recall that article.

As for the "your claim to fame" attack, considering the history of Boston and sports, this could lead us to an ugly area, so I'll leave that alone. I like Boston itself and harbor no ill will.

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Response to drbtg1 (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 01:51 PM

42. There was nothing in the contract that prohibited discussions with other states

By all means keep this up, though. I haven't been this amused with NYC's Bedroom since college, when I and a friend who was a Whalers fan used to wager a pint of Ben and Jerrys when the Bruins played the Whale.

Put on 5lb that year, but it was worth it.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 11:18 AM

26. Problem with the Patriots is that Brady, Belichick and Kraft are inevitably....

....going to be the face of the franchise, and none of them are particularly likeable. Adept, certainly, but likeable, no.

It sucks because I'm sure there are plenty of good guys on the team who get overshadowed by those assholes.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 11:24 AM

27. Gisele hates Trump's guts.

Hopefully she'll make Tom see the light.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 11:28 AM

28. I'm no way an expert on the Patriots, but I'm surprised that this thread didn't...

.... contain anything about Kraft's lifelong Democratic identity and the story about Trump being kind when his wife had cancer, and about Brady declining some White House thing.. (like I said, I'm not educated on this stuff, but it's what usually shows up in these kind of threads.)

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:00 PM

29. I think it is fine to like the team regardless of any of those "good" things.

All one has to do is focus on the players not named "Brady".

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:05 PM

30. I'm supposed to care about the no-name players

who won't even be on the roster in July?

You team is also "Trump's Team" and there's no escaping this (Especially after Belichick's personal love letter to Donnie during the campaign) so you might as well embrace it.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:11 PM

31. Uh, McCourty and Harmon have been with the team for years.

And I bet many of the other players feel the same way about Trump as those two. McCourty also skipped the last visit, along with Hightower (also a well-known player).

These are only "no name" players to you because you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 04:44 PM

43. Well some of the Patriots are half-smart so I'll give them that




Of course you have no excuse for Belichick, Kraft and Brady; the only people who really matter for that franchise...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:50 AM

44. I'm not making an excuse

I am stating that a team is more than three individuals (two of which are not even players).

It is odd to me that DUers expect Pats fans to just give up on their home team and switch (what, to the Cowboys of Jerry Jones?).

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:32 PM

33. Sorry

 

You fans kiss the ass of "Mr Kraft" and treat him like some godlike savior.

Yet only days ago he couldn't resist kissing Dump and Rupert Murdoch's ass.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/428012-patriots-owner-praises-trump-for-working-for-countrys-best-interests

He's a douchebag who probably got set up with some Russian hookers by Trump. Same with Belicheat. Hell, they probably all had sex in the same room. He must have something on him that the guy can trash his league and he still sucks up to him.

Fuck him and fuck your team. I hope they get food poisoning from the hamburders that cocksucker serves up to majority that will attend the WH like good little stooges.

Last year's CHAMPIONS stood up as a team like men and told him to fuck off.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:50 AM

45. You fans kiss the ass of "Mr Kraft" and treat him like some godlike savior.

Citation, please.

"Last year's CHAMPIONS stood up as a team like men and told him to fuck off."

Uh, not according to the below story. Even the Eagles head coach was going to attend. In fact, it was Trump who cancelled that event. Thanks for playing!

Also, the article states Wentz and Foles would have gone with the team if they had voted to go. I remember a Mr. Tom Brady who skipped going two years ago even though a bunch of the team members went.

https://www.mcall.com/sports/football/eagles/mc-spt-eagles-visit-white-house-20180604-story.html

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #45)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:10 PM

46. I live in New England

 

I hear it all the time. "Mr Kraft" this, "Mr Kraft" that. It's sickening hero worship.

And Trump cancelled the White House visit when he learned the Eagles were pretty much to a man not going to go to "get the jump" on them. He must have learned such Machiavellian thinking from his buddy Belicheat.

I don't know how your statement about Foles and Wentz contradicts that. Clearly they realized their teammates were not interested.

Tommy Boy ducked out with his usual lame excuse about his parents being in town. Did the same to Obama. Weird dude.


Enjoy your hamburders bud! I'm sure Gerry Callahan will have a tear in his eye!

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:16 PM

47. My point was that the faces of the Eagles organization were willing to go

Foles, Wentz, and their coach are the faces of that org.

The other commenter tried to make an argument that we cannot focus on the "lesser" players when the faces of the Patriots (Brady, Belichick) are willing to go to the White House. That commenter stated that the Eagles were a shining example of giving Trump the middle finger. I refuted that characterization.

Maybe you should have reviewed that prior comment more closely?

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:47 PM

48. I know Jeff Lurie didn't want to go period.

 

But I guess he's just a janitor or something.

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