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Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:25 PM

What they are doing to Ralph Northam is so terribly terribly unfair.

Being held responsible for something that was probably not intentional 35 years ago, so unfair.

He will probably have to resign his office and return to private medical practice. I understand that the medical school he went to is among the country's leading invitro/fertility schools which produced the first "test tube" baby in the US. Their doctors are in high demand in a very lucrative market.

Northam will probably suffer through re-establishing a private practice and only earn $ 300k this year. It will probably take him two years to get back at the $ 500k level.

Very unfair.

I have always hated unfairness. I remember 1973 I read about a police officer in my hometown in Spokane who came upon a black 14 year old burglary suspect who was exiting through a window on the side of the house and chased him for about a block and then discharged his weapon in the fleeing youth's back killing him before his body hit the sidewalk.

I went down to the next city council meeting and in the open comments section read the newspaper article to the city council and asked if the city had a "use of force" policy and that if it was within the standard procedures for police to discharge a weapon when there was no lethal threat.

Some discussion occurred. I pressed the issue stating that I didn't think it was fair that a 14 year old should lose his life over a stupid act. More discussion. It was difficult to defend and the final comment was "even if it was outside the standard procedures sometimes unfortunate things happen, life isn't always fair".

I agreed that life wasn't fair but asked if the city council would feel the same lack of interest in following up the issue at hand if it was a white 14 year old boy that was shot to death 4 blocks from their home.

My final comment was that "acquiescence to the bitter unfairness that life can bring shouldn't be affected by the color of a child's skin or the neighborhood he is in."

About 10 years before that I was with my brother at a pool hall when some shoving elevated into a brief fight and within 6 minutes three police cars arrived followed by a detective. The atmosphere in our little group certainly changed when the police discovered that we had the same last name as their dentist who treated police officers with a deep discount. The call to my dad assured him that his sons were not the initiators and we had a funny exchange while the others were taken in the cars so that their parents could pick them up at the station. When you are 10 years old a root beer float bought by a police detective who is telling you how your father saved the front teeth of his son and then wouldn't take a penny for it is just about the most delicious thing you could ever have.

Fifty years later I marvel how little reaction occurs to the unfairness that people of color face every day. Hundreds of thousands of DACA children who never broke a law, hundreds of thousands of law abiding TPS holders all of whom have done nothing but are threatened with life crushing "unfairness". Daily recitations of African Americans who have to defend going to a picnic, entering a building or babysitting for a friend. It is like the unremitting pounding of the surf. After 5 decades you just can't believe that we still have to go through this shit.

Ralph Northam is suffering a little embarrassment, a little discomfort and after he resigns he will return to a very substantial income and be embraced by the white community in Virginia who remembering their own youthful indiscretions think "there for the grace of God, goes me".

My advice to Northam is to resign today and join Drs Without Borders or the UNHCR and work in refugee camps. He will learn what real unfairness is. He will make more of a difference than he would as Governor. He will also regain pride in his contribution to the alleviation of suffering.

And the real irony is that should he take the advice in the paragraph above in 10 years he could write a well received award winning book which might be featured in a full length movie because Ralph Northam was on a track for success when he entered medical school. I always wonder what that 14 year old boy might have grown into if we operated in a universe where the unfairness of life wasn't intentionally structured so that one part of society is cushioned against the slightest unfairness and one part of society is expected to face a daily battle against unfairness.

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Reply What they are doing to Ralph Northam is so terribly terribly unfair. (Original post)
grantcart Feb 4 OP
redstatebluegirl Feb 4 #1
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manor321 Feb 4 #3
Demsrule86 Feb 4 #8
mgardener Feb 4 #15
UpInArms Feb 4 #38
homegirl Feb 5 #62
Demsrule86 Feb 5 #64
oldsoftie Feb 4 #17
KPN Feb 4 #25
oldsoftie Feb 4 #34
KPN Feb 4 #37
oldsoftie Feb 4 #41
KPN Feb 5 #45
oldsoftie Feb 5 #50
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oldsoftie Feb 5 #65
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markpkessinger Feb 4 #42
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msongs Feb 4 #5
erronis Feb 4 #6
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yardwork Feb 4 #9
Cbarwitz Feb 4 #10
grantcart Feb 4 #16
dhol82 Feb 4 #18
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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:29 PM

2. so, obviously you posted your reply without actually reading the OP?


Hint: the title is an ironic observation.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:30 PM

3. I cannot believe this asshole is dragging this out. He's twisting the knife. He needs to GO!

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Response to manor321 (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:06 PM

8. That is the plan...take the governorship...right wing hit job.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:25 PM

15. Why are we not holding Trump accountable ?

Grabbing women? Employing illegal immigrants in his business ? The lying, cheating and stealing he has done and continues to do
Why are we allowing Republicans to get away with everything?
Why are satisfied with a double standard?

Why are we not holding Mitch M who is standing in front of a Confederate flag instead of the US flag?
Why is it not OK to kneel in front of the flag but OK to stand in front of a flag of a group of people that were traitors to the US?

Can people make mistakes? Can they not learn and grow from their mistakes?

Just thoughts. I am not sure a lifetime of horrible acts (Trump)equals what Northam has done.
If he apologised and said he was sorry, would that have been enough???
Are Democrats only going to allow the perfect to serve?

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Response to mgardener (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:18 PM

38. Because he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue

...

A friend went to a baptist church yesterday ... the know nothing below the sewer intelligence preacher said

“tRump I was an angel sent by god”

... now I need to go ... will someone hold my hair?

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Response to mgardener (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:56 PM

62. Thank you for

posting my thoughts on this subject.

Call the DNC at

202 863 8000

and tell them!

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Response to mgardener (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:42 PM

64. I believe in redemption.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:36 PM

17. They cant take the governorship. The Lt Gov is also a Democrat.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:01 PM

25. They've already put out a sexual misconduct

allegation against the Lt Gov (Fairfax?). This is what they do when voter suppression fails them. They are going after the Governorship by swift boating the Gov and then the Lt Gov in rapid progression. I’m not defending Northam. The allegations against the Lt Gov are questionable - but they are out, placed there by the very same RW rag.

We need to muster some means to counter this insidious RW GOP strategy, or at a minimum be deliberate about how we respond as a whole as opposed to just knee jerk reacting based solely on principles in the absence of legitimate proven facts. We can’t let our own outrage get used against us. Deliberate as opposed to emote.

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Response to KPN (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:35 PM

34. Assuming the Lt Gov is not guilty of anything, what difference does it make who showed the picture?

I cant believe it wasn't found during the election! Its been out there for 35 yrs! If a liberal publication had that picture on Gilllespie, wouldn't they have published it too? of course. because politics is a dirty game and always has been. And always WILL be.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:16 PM

37. It doesn't. But then liberal publications aren't typically spending their time

scouting archives for swiftboating material on GOP candidates/officials or marketing their services to spread swiftboat material. The point was more about it’s a distinct part of their overall strategy to control the country in the face of a declining base.

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Response to KPN (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:35 PM

41. Well, that base is certainly getting smaller and smaller.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:26 AM

45. Okay. So you are optimistic. Got it. Everything's

going to be fine. No worry here.

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Response to KPN (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 06:35 AM

50. I was agreeing with you.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:11 AM

57. Not really. Your original point was the

Northam/Fairfax thing is just politics, that a liberal publication would have done the same thing. I disagreed with that.

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Response to KPN (Reply #57)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 04:05 PM

65. So you don't think a liberal publication would post that picture today if it was Gov Kemp of Ga?

They would be all OVER it. I would expect it.
And I agreed that their base is getting smaller and smaller. Its actually already small; they just fooled a lot of folks.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #65)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 05:42 PM

71. I don't think the Dem Party is actively engaging

nor the liberal media providing their service in seek and destroy “swift boat ” activities like the GOP right wing outlets. It’s a deliberate part of their overall strategy in the face of a loosening grip on their white male dominant and corporatist control of government and socio-economic structure/policy. We admittedly research GOP candidates as a practice as part of electoral campaigns, but for the purpose of that contest, not to deliberately undermine democracy.

You statement strikes me as both-side risk, a notion I outright reject as fallacious.

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Response to KPN (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:40 PM

42. Yes, indeed -- almost as if on cue . . .

. . . I cannot believe so many Democrats are so blind to what is really going on here.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:38 PM

61. You mean the Lt governor that the same people who attacked the governor

have published allegations of sexual assault against...that Lt Governor? hmmm...doesn't reassure me...Fairfax is next.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #61)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 04:06 PM

66. 3rd in line is also a Democrat.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #66)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 10:35 AM

72. Who is also under attack now...and the next choice is GOP so no one resigns. If this works no

Democratic governor will be safe...or any elected official. it began with Franken and worked.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #72)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 10:44 PM

74. Well, he came out with HIS blackface news on his own. If thats what VA has to offer, so be it.

Or if we are to look the other way because of party, then that makes us hypocrites.
Franken should not have resigned. Even the girl in his picture said so. But also totally different circumstances.
Now, I'm all for drawing a line where you shouldn't lose your career/position/etc, simply because you did a couple stupid things years ago. (As long as it doesnt involve other people anyway, like assault). But right now, today, we are running people out on a rail for ONE stupid move or comment.
So if thats the way we want it, then these guys in VA have to go. Personally, I hope the Gov DOESNT resign. It was a stupid mistake and MOVE ON. if he had a history of shit like this, I might think differently.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #74)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 11:53 AM

75. A 40 year old incident of Blackface is not a reason for the governor no the attorney general

to resign period. This is ratfucking by the GOP. NO ONE RESIGNS.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #75)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 12:43 PM

76. But we've seen 40 yr old issues used against others many times. Time to draw the line?

I ALWAYS thought this shit was ridiculous. Whether it happened to a Democrat or a Republican.
But you say ratfucking by the GOP, its not like this shit is made up. Its real and happened. But I'm all for pointing out the stupidity of acts like this and leaving it at that.
I hope he doesn't resign either.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #76)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:00 PM

77. They looked for dirt, found it...and are now trying to steal the governorship...

So I agree with you. If this is all they could find on Herring and Northam, they have led a charmed life.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 07:03 AM

53. So is the argument.....

...that it wasn't his yearbook picture and he didn't select it and he didn't know about it, and his nickname WASN'T Coonman, and that nickname wasn't in 2 separate yearbooks, and he didn't admit to blackface on camera? That all of this information isn't fake?

Or is the argument that we shouldn't care?

I'm still really unclear on this.

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Response to doompatrol39 (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:41 PM

63. The argument is that whatever happened 35 years ago, it is not worth allowing the GOP to steal the

governorship. I would prefer Northam and Fairfax who is now under attack as well to any Republican slimeball. This is an attempt to take the governorship in what will be a census year. Northam expanded Medicaid and passed a pro-choice bill as well ...name a fucking republican who won't undo that. Give Northam time address this issue...perhaps redemption is an option.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 04:33 PM

4. Excellent advise

Thank you, grantcart

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 05:02 PM

5. he shoulda confessed ... like george wallace, who was reelected gov after doing so. nt

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 05:59 PM

6. Great piece, grantcart. For those that can't read, this is basically sarcasm on top of documentation

I think privilege (white, class, male, whatever) is bred into us while we are still forming - 2-10 years, and it is very difficult to change.

In other societies it manifests itself also - birth class, tribe, last name, which side of the tracks/river, etc.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:02 PM

7. K&R

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:09 PM

9. Excellent post. Thank you.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:11 PM

10. Lt. gov. alleged sexual assault

GOP operatives have proven so effective in getting democrats to force the governor to resign, they just accused Lt. gov. Fairfax of sexual assault.

Are we going to rush to judgment on that too?

Then all those hard fought battles to win VA. are for naught, and Trump wins VA. using the democratic party’s “high standards” as a wedge against their own and vehicle for defeat.

How brilliant is that? /sarcasm

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Response to Cbarwitz (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:31 PM

16. Apple meet pineapple


both have apples in their names but that's about all

1) One has a picture. The other has nothing

2) The guy in the picture said he was in the picture, apologized for it. Then concluded he wasn't in THAT picture but had done blackface

3) The Lt. Gov stated clearly that a) he didn't do anything like that b) he was taking legal steps to sue for defamation and force the accuser to be held accountable in a court of law.

Now if the Governor had stated that he wasn't in the picture and that he was going to sue for defamation then we could compare.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:37 PM

18. Still sounds like republican rat fucking to me.

I believe both reports were generated by Breitbart.
Makes me wonder.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:57 PM

21. so Breitbart got him to admit that he was in the picture


apologize for it

change his mind he was in the picture

explain that he did blackface when he did a Jackson impersonation

and favoured us with an explanation on how difficult shoe polish is to get off your face?


His spectacularly terrible job in reacting to the photo is not mutually exclusive to it being a Breitbart report, both can be true and both can be disgusting.


All he had to say was "Looking at that picture makes me wonder how we survive all the stupid things we do when we are young. I cannot express how grateful I am that leaders like Dr. King liberated me to understand how, sometimes without even intending we mock and dehumanize others. That was not my intention but it is what it does and I apologize to all African Americans for that.

I apologize to all of the citizens of the state of Virginia for the embarrassment that picture brings. I am grateful that looking back on that picture today that I cannot recognize the mind set that would have created it, tolerated it and proudly put it in a year book. As we celebrate Black History Month we should celebrate the fact that among the relics of the past that are no longer accepted mocking African Americans by using minstrel blackface is as unacceptable as using the N word."

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Response to grantcart (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:01 PM

22. Oh, please

The picture was released after a major problem with an abortion conference.
Now we have the lieutenant governor implicated in a sex scandal.
The republican legislature can manipulate who ends up in power.
Tell me this is all just boys being bad.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:27 PM

40. The AG is a Democrat and is next in line after Lt. Gov Fairfax.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:12 PM

33. He did apologize and it didn't help

I don’t think there’s any apology he could make that would help.

He apologized in his initial statement. The apology went nowhere. Should he have mentioned Dr. King? Then he’d be accused of exploiting Dr. King. Democratic public opinion had made up its mind because of the picture.



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Response to grantcart (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:48 PM

31. Missing the point

The comparisons are alike, but the larger point is avoiding rushing to judgment because its unfair, and incited by GOP operatives solely to gain power for those who would govern in racist and sexist manners anyway.

If I changed one slight fact you would conclude the Lt. Gov. should resign.

Examples:

- A photo of the Lt. Gov. with the accuser in some Al Franken like pose; or,

- A second accuser coming forward from 15 years ago;or,

- An apology that doesn’t meet some threshold for sincerity.




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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:11 PM

11. Beautiful, Grant. K&R

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:18 PM

12. Post well done.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:19 PM

13. As an old White guy, I try to put myself in others shoes.

I understand that times have changed and people have changed. That being said, if I try to put myself in the shoes of an older person of color, I have less concern about the Governor and more concern about those that have been kicked around for generations. If he suffers, that is but one soul, I don't think that adds up to the many that are insulted again and again. He will survive.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:23 PM

14. K&R

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:38 PM

19. I support this

His one way out of this is to accept the judgement and make amends, whether or not he resigns. He will resign of course, but either way I'd like to see him use whatever standing he has to make a difference. If...if he now is who he says he is.

My advice to Northam is to resign today and join Drs Without Borders or the UNHCR and work in refugee camps. He will learn what real unfairness is. He will make more of a difference than he would as Governor. He will also regain pride in his contribution to the alleviation of suffering.


He should have made a speech containing some of what you wrote in the OP. Would have made a difference with me. But in his two pressers, saw little that would convince us that he's aware of the depth of the issues and willing to do something meaningful about it. There may be significant political angles to this, but the bigger, more important issues are personal, social, cultural.

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Response to wiggs (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:56 PM

36. Excellent!

Great comment. Clearly this man needs some moral schooling. When you are 25 in medical school you are an adult!!!!! He has been used to keep the news cycle off the issues that Democrats will place on their presidential platform. This is a distraction that hurts Democrats.
It does smell like the Al Franken scandal.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 06:56 PM

20. We're seeing a Republican double tap

Democrats in disarray. Again.

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Response to tirebiter (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:01 PM

23. Yup.

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Response to tirebiter (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:01 PM

24. The only Democrat that is in disarray is Northam, and that is being generous.



The picture could have been put in a context that people could have accepted but Northam chose to disassemble, discombobulate, disinform, dissolve and disintegrate

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Response to grantcart (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 02:02 PM

78. So he is human and made a mistake and he was embarrassed and f'd up I actually find that

kind of good that he is not a smooth practice politician...give him a chance.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #78)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:56 PM

79. His ability to articulate a clear and reasoned understanding of issues is a job requirement


Unable to do so is like keeping a secretary that cannot type.

He is well credentialed in a field where there is a huge need.

Approximately 20 million will sleep tonight in make shift shelters and his medical skills would be of great value there.

Being a Governor of a state is not an entry level job.

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Response to tirebiter (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 08:06 AM

54. Oh bullshit

 

I don't see the party in disarray AT ALL. This is the governor's problem, nobody else's as there is NOBODY who is defending him. Stop with the drama.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:20 PM

26. Good essay

Thanks.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:25 PM

27. Fine post grantcart.

Recommended.
I liked your advice to Northam. He has been reported as saying he doesn't
want to be remembered as a racist. Then resign and do a job that proves it.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:25 PM

28. I rarely read long posts...

it's a flaw of my "give it to me in tiny bits" mind, I suppose.
I, however, read every last word of this post...twice. What a wonderfully worded piece that was so cogent to the world in which we live today. Thank you so much for sharing this jewel with us.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:11 AM

47. Thank you for your kind remarks.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:33 PM

29. Agreed

Infinite punishment for finite transgressions is bullshit.

Who the exact hell am I to be judge, jury and executioner of another? The right is rubbing their collective hands over our infighting.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:15 AM

48. You may want to reread the entire OP


You are reacting the title of the OP which either was bitter ironic commentary or witty sardonic repose depending on your point of view.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:47 PM

30. Kick and Amen.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:00 PM

32. K&R grant! Excellent piece

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:51 PM

35. Excellent post

Strange stuff going on with this one. Some are digging in, although very limited in Dem leadearship, have only seen Jim Moran back him. IMO, this due to the horrible shit repukes have been pulling. I am just a bit shy of Northam's age, was in college at the same time, lived is a racist State. His story is a joke, he either did it because he was racist and thought it was funny, or did it to gain cred with those he was trying to impress. Disqualifying either way.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:21 PM

39. THANK YOU. Ahole needs to vacate, yesterday.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 11:58 PM

43. What state do you live in? Who's your governor?

Maybe there's something we can dig up on him to join forces to oust him.

Who's your governor? (It doesn't matter who you voted for or that he was elected by your state. Or that you forgive him or whatever. what matters is that WE want him not to be a governor of your state.)

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:06 AM

44. Has Obama spoken up about Northam?

I read that he stumped for him, but can't find anything else.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:53 AM

46. DACA

My opinion is if a child was educated in our us schools and graduated; then he shall be institutionalized as a national citizen. Their parents, not a chance.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 01:18 AM

49. DACA children are as responsible for their irregular immigration status


As the child who is sitting in the back seat while their father drives while drinking.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 06:43 AM

51. It really isn't necessary to be fair to politicians

They go into the game with their eyes wide open.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #51)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:27 AM

58. Which really was the point of the OP. The title was ironic.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 05:21 PM

69. Worth reiterating

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #69)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 05:23 PM

70. gotcha

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 06:46 AM

52. Great advice

that Northam should take. Very well written, thank you grantcart!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 08:48 AM

55. I agree with this

But while we're at it, when is everyone going to make amends for their sins while they're so busy casting stones? I mean, pubicans have their filthy operatives continually ratfcking Democrats before, during and now even after elections, effectively changing the electoral landscape sans voters or in some cases even sans due process.

We keep forcing our people out of office, and rightfully so, but where is the equal application of ethical and/or legal standards? THEIR side NEVER leaves office. trump is in the WHITE HOUSE, kavanaugh is on the SUPREME COURT. BOTH accused of FAR WORSE than Northam or any of the other Democrats forced by their own party from office after being obviously ratfcked by pubican operatives.

They cheat always because it's the only way they can win. We keep playing fair and losing. How about we throw our bums out when they agree to throw their bums out? Stalemate until then.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 09:21 AM

56. NONE of my concern is about HIM. Only whether GOP are worming themselves into control.

I don’t know Virginia politics. The fact that he voted for George W TWICE is enough. If Justin Fairfax is a strong up and coming democrat, and is capable of improving the strength of Democratic Party in Virginia, awesome. Maybe it will energize the vote in Virginia and throughout southeast. If that’s the case, kick Northam to the curb without a second thought.

I’m always suspicious of SUDDEN takedowns of Democrats, ESPECIALLY accompanied by massive pressure from a media drumbeat that is at least TEN times more potent at knocking down democrats. (Eliot Spitzer. Gary Hart. John Edwards. Al Franken. Anthony Weiner.. ) If this big “revealing” of a 35 year old photo is a strategy play by GOP that succeeds in somehow STRENGTHENING the GOP, then just SLOW down and find out the facts before the pitchforks come out. Because the forces of good (like stopping voter suppression and racist governorships) need to be smarter than the forces of evil.

While we focus on the thoroughness of our principles, the GOP is always doing strategy.

We need CLEAN ELECTIONS more than we need AIR. Stacy Abrams should be governor of Georgia and Andrew Gillum should be governor of Florida. What a powerhouse we could have, energizing African Americans AND progressives, if we had not one but THREE AA governors in the South.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:52 AM

59. K&R..

Thank you

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 11:41 AM

60. Wearing a Klan outfit has always been unacceptable

Let's be clear, donning or finding a Klan outfit amusing or appropriate, even 35 years ago, or performing in black-face has always been unacceptable.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 04:14 PM

67. I wish he would just resign and get out of the news.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 04:16 PM

68. If they would only put half the effort into getting the real racist in chief out of office . . . . .

This is the sentence that tells it all

"Governor Northam has a long history of being on the progressive and non-racist side of every issue."



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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 10:46 AM

73. K&R

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