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Sun Feb 3, 2019, 01:53 PM

I don't know what it's like to be African American but I know what's it like to be Jewish.

To my African American brothers and sisters let me tell you what you're missing. Folks will insult you right to your face. Contrary to the belief of some antediluvian thinkers we don't have distinguishing features, including horns.

Let me share with you the petty indignities. When I was in college we were at a friend's house and he mused that Hitler should have finished the job. That was the worst. A couple of years later I was in a professor's office just shooting the breeze with the professor and some other students. She called American University , AU, A Jew because of the preponderance of Jewish students and waxed about JAPS, Jewish American Princesses, being dropped off at school by limos.

One time my business partner and I pitched a Chamber Of Commerce executive about doing a directory for them. He said we would have a hard time selling ads as many of his members names ended in precious stones, such as Goldberg or Silverstein.

Fast forward to the current. I am on the Orange Line, the bus which goes from Chatsworth to North Hollywood and I am talking to this woman about how I lived in Orlando and liked to go to the library on Sunday but it's closed here. They changed the policy in the last four or five years so now some are open. The woman said maybe because there are a lot of Jews there. WTF? My favorite because it is alternately funny and pathetic is I'm on the Orange Line and I overhear this woman , as we are riding through Studio City, tell the person on the other end we were going through "Jewtown". Oy vey.

Am I sensitive regarding bigotry whether the target is a Jew, a Muslim, an immigrant, an African American, a GLBTQ person, an immigrant? You bet I am


P.S. It's 2019. I have Jewish friends at the gym, in liberal suburban Los Angeles. Two of them have told me how they heard an anti-semitic comment and they were mad at themselves for not saying anything.

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Reply I don't know what it's like to be African American but I know what's it like to be Jewish. (Original post)
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 3 OP
marybourg Feb 3 #1
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 3 #2
TreasonousBastard Feb 3 #3
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 3 #4
agingdem Feb 3 #5
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 3 #6
agingdem Feb 3 #7
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 3 #8
roamer65 Feb 3 #9
McCamy Taylor Feb 3 #10
Hassin Bin Sober Feb 3 #11
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 3 #12

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:11 PM

1. I don't think the incident about the library was

necessarily anti-semitic. It might have been an earnest attempt to explain the difference in days open. I might have said the same thing myself (I’m Jewish). I think blacks, recent immigrants, Muslims in the era of tRump, and LGBT people have probably put up with worse. In fact, just based on my own ( rather long) experience as a friend, co-worker and relation, they have.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:15 PM

2. Because as a Jew you could blend in most of the time.

I am sure my parents put up with much worse. I know they did. But there are horrific attacks, almost every day, on Jews who choose not to blend, right up to the Pittsburgh Synagogue massacre.

Outside of the Hitler incident I thought most of the other instances were just sad, and funny stupid. I can imagine another person taking more umbrage. However when you make a disparaging remark you don't get to calibrate the response of the person to whom you made it to.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:40 PM

3. I agree. One of the big "mall towns" in New Jersey had "close on Sunday" rule, but...

observant Jewish shop owners complained that lost them the whole weekend.

Everyone agreed they had a legitimate gripe, but the problem was what to do about it. If they couldn't open on Saturday, giving them Sunday to open wouldn't help them much, and could lead to accusations of favoritism.

I don't remember how it was resolved, but any anti-Semitism was lost in the simple practicalities of the situation.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:46 PM

4. Could be.

I literally, I know people mock the word, but I use it for emphasis here, heard a worker at Costco make a joke about Jews and big noses in the past several months. Jewish nose jokes in 2018, in SoCal.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:11 PM

5. My ex son-in-law

and thank g-d the sonofabitch is the ex..in one of his many rages he screamed "you Jews deserved what you got in the Holocaust...you people willing marched to the gas chambers..nobody likes Jews"...disgusting in itself except my parents were Holocaust survivors

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Response to agingdem (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:16 PM

6. Wowza

When I was kid my parents had friends who were Holocaust survivors. I remember the numbers tattooed on their arms.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:21 PM

7. I'm 70..

and I can still recite from memory the numbers tattooed on their arms...

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Response to agingdem (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:24 PM

8. Those were the only Holocaust survivors I knew personally.

My family has been here since 1905.

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Response to agingdem (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:31 PM

9. If right wingers had their way, they would send us to the gas chambers again.

LGBT went to the chambers along with Jewish folks in Nazi Germany.

Glad he is an EX sil.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:46 PM

10. Always say something when you hear something ugly. I do. Always.

The thing you say should be appropriate to the place and person, and you should try to make the message a learning one.

If someone tells you "Don't make trouble, don't rock the boat, no politics over the dinner table" remind yourself--- You do no one a favor when you allow them to harbor feelings of hatred towards their fellow human beings. Hatred of others has its roots in self hatred. Love towards others increases the love we feel towards ourselves. And love begats love as every mystic of every religious tradition will tell you.

We should all strive to be like William Blake, a man about whom an enemy wrote (in grudging admiration) "He was the only man I ever met who wore no mask."

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:48 PM

11. Very similar to being gay.

I grew up hearing gay jokes my whole life. My football and wrestling coaches would tell gay jokes (when they weren’t making us pray to Jesus).

Funny story. My downstairs neighbor was having a party so I was down there talking to one of his friends about woodworking and construction stuff. The conversation turned to our building when he said “what about those two guys on the third floor” while he made what I call the Fred Sanford hand wobble - meaning gay. The look on his face when I told him.

I always try to us “Jewish” whenever practical. My Jewish friend says “we are having Jew food tonight”. It doesn’t sound good coming from a non Jewish person.

I never thought of “Jewtown” as a slur when it comes to Chicago’s Maxwell Street. But I could definitely see how people could use it as a slur. Maybe it’s one of those things - it’s how you say it and mean it.


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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 04:12 PM

12. "I never thought of "Jewtown" as a slur when it comes to Chicago's Maxwell Street. "

Studio City as the name implies is the home to a lot of people who work in the "business-Hollywood". George Clooney lives there. It's an affluent area. Whenever we pass it I mention to my gf, a non-Jew, "we're going through "Jewtown."

If tone means anything I don't believe her observation was intended to be innocuous.

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