Fri Feb 1, 2019, 04:35 PM
TomCADem (17,282 posts)
Must Read - Stacy Abrams Destroys False Choice Between Social Justice and Working Class
Why is it that even in the era of Trump where he attacks Democrats for engaging in identity politics by speaking up for women and minorities even as he panders to white resentment do some “progressive” politicians repeat this theme and attack such efforts?
Stacy Abrams has written a brilliant essay explaining why this is a false choice. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/1/18206769/stacey-abrams-state-of-the-union-response-essay-identity-politics Stacey Abrams, the rising Democratic star and former Georgia gubernatorial candidate, is giving the Democratic response to plTrump’s State of the Union on Tuesday. On Friday morning, she published an essay with a spirited defense of one of the most controversial ideas in American public life: identity politics.
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TomCADem | Feb 2019 | OP |
dlk | Feb 2019 | #1 | |
TomCADem | Feb 2019 | #4 | |
malaise | Feb 2019 | #2 | |
Hermit-The-Prog | Feb 2019 | #3 | |
Cha | Feb 2019 | #5 | |
TomCADem | Feb 2019 | #6 | |
Cha | Feb 2019 | #9 | |
Apollyonus | Feb 2019 | #7 | |
oberliner | Feb 2019 | #8 |
Response to TomCADem (Original post)
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 04:49 PM
dlk (10,277 posts)
1. Excellent Post! "The Marginalized Did Not Create Identity Politics..."
In her essay, Abrams brilliantly calls out the way dominant groups attempt to silence the marginalized in their attempts to be heard. She is someone to watch and I predict great things in her political future.
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Response to dlk (Reply #1)
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 03:48 PM
TomCADem (17,282 posts)
4. Finding A Way In Trump's America Through MLK's 'Drum Major Instinct'
Even on the left, some folks like Bernie Sanders and now Sherrod Brown, continue to push this idea that progressives should ignore social justice, and just focus on economic class issues. In doing so, they end up validating Trump who actively uses white resentment to oppress white people and not just minorities with racism. Abrams comments are reminiscent of Dr. Martin Luther King's observations in the Drum Major Instinct speech:
https://www.essence.com/culture/dr-martin-luther-king-drum-major-instinct-trump/ In this case, Dr. Martin Luther King’s sermon, ‘The Drum Major Instinct’ speaks like a light in a dark tunnel. It took place at Ebenezer Baptist Church, Atlanta, 1968. Dr. King began telling a story from the book of St. Mark about James and John and how they asked Jesus if they could sit next to him on the throne. They wanted to be where Jesus was. The other disciples got mad. What had they done to deserve this? Jesus, on the other hand, had a different response. |
Response to TomCADem (Original post)
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 04:55 PM
malaise (254,565 posts)
2. I declared the end of Fukuyama
after his End of History. He is a total and complete opportunist.
It's nice that Stacey responded but I wouldn't waste five minutes on anything he said or wrote. |
Response to TomCADem (Original post)
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:02 PM
Hermit-The-Prog (27,225 posts)
3. "expanded, identity-conscious politics"
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Response to TomCADem (Original post)
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 04:12 PM
Cha (283,918 posts)
5. Stacy Abrams is absolutely right.. so
grateful she's written this!
![]() As a result, Abrams argues, minority groups face two choices: either ignore their own oppression or engage in some form of so-called identity politics. Asking minorities to eschew identity politics is tantamount to asking them to ignore their own oppression. How can you include black Americans in modern politics if you don’t talk about police violence and voter suppression? How can you include women without talking about the gender pay gap, or LGBTQ Americans without addressing the lack of federal anti-discrimination laws?
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/1/18206769/stacey-abrams-state-of-the-union-response-essay-identity-politics |
Response to Cha (Reply #5)
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 12:58 AM
TomCADem (17,282 posts)
6. Lyndon Johnson and Martin Luther King Both Saw That You Can't Ignore Social Justice
They are two sides of the same coin. You can't just focus on economic issues, and ignore questions of racial, religious and gender based oppression. As noted above, MLK saw it, and so did LBJ:
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Response to TomCADem (Reply #6)
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 01:16 AM
Cha (283,918 posts)
9. Visionary, Intelligence, and Compassion!
![]() ![]() ![]() Exactly Right from LBJ and it hasn't changed in all these decades when he said it. ![]() |
Response to TomCADem (Original post)
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 01:06 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
8. She is what the Democratic Party is all about