Donald Trump did NOT attend the Wharton School of Business, he attended

[Baltimike]

UPenn, but not the Wharton School.

I remember this coming up during the campaign and there is no one at Wharton who even remembers him.

Just saying.

[oberliner]

1. Are you sure?

[Baltimike]

4. yes. nt

[oberliner]

20. I suggest you do further research into the matter

[dawg day]

39. He went to the University of Pennsylvania.

He got a business degree. It is nominally from Wharton (the business school within UPenn). But Wharton is primarily a graduate school, and that's where the prestige is-- the MBA, not the BA.

One of his professors, btw, remembered him as one of the dumbest students ever.

Anyone who brags about being intelligent as he is, guaranteed he's not very intelligent.

[oberliner]

51. Wharton is not primarily a graduate school

That is not accurate.

[rampartc]

55. well, i looked it up. [pomt to oberliner, but

if wharton is proud of this sorry excise for a business man they beed to lose their accreditation.

https://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/

[marble falls]

58. What Snopes says ...

The Wharton School wrote an open letter to Donald Trump explaining that the Republican Presidential candidate does not represent his former school.



Mixture About this rating
What's True

An open letter to Donald Trump stating that he does not represent the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, signed by various Wharton students and staff, was posted online in July 2016.
What's False

The letter does not reflect the official viewpoint of the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.
Origin

On 8 July 2016, an open letter to Donald Trump stating that the Republican presidential candidate was a disappointment to — and did not represent — his alma mater, was published on the web site Medium:

You Do Not Represent Us: An Open Letter to Donald Trump

At the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, students are taught to represent the highest levels of respect and integrity. We are taught to embrace humility and diversity. We can understand why, in seeking America’s highest office, you have used your degree from Wharton to promote and lend legitimacy to your candidacy.

As a candidate for President, and now as the presumptive GOP nominee, you have been afforded a transformative opportunity to be a leader on national and international stages and to make the Wharton community even prouder of our school and values.

However, we have been deeply disappointed in your candidacy.

When this letter was circulated via social media, it was frequently tagged with the claim that it was an official statement issued by Wharton University (or, more properly, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania). This was not the case, however: a disclaimer on the signatories page stated that the letter was the personal opinion of those who drafted it and not did not reflect the official viewpoint of Wharton:

This letter reflects the personal views of its signatories only and is not affiliated with the Wharton School. The Wharton School takes no political position and does not comment on its students, alumni, or faculty.

Although the letter was not officially issued or endorsed by Wharton, more than 3,000 of the school’s current students, graduates, and staff members have signed it. Although the signatory page asks for an .edu email address to verify that signers are undergraduate/graduate student/alumni of Wharton or Penn, the letter can also be signed by friends, family members and supporters of Wharton (and Penn) students.

For their part, Wharton’s official web site still maintains a positive biography of Donald Trump, identifying him as one of the “125 Influential People and Ideas” to come out of that school.

[Pachamama]

64. As a University of Pennsylvania graduate with a BS from Wharton - you are not correct....

....the degree is not "nominal"....

University of Pennsylvania, the first University in the Nation and founded by Benjamin Franklin is indeed a prestigious undergraduate Ivy League University and one of the most competitive now to get admitted to and ranked in top 10 in country. Simultaneously to its undergraduate University programs, it has many of the top graduate school programs in the nation. Its Medical and Law School are recognized also among the top programs in the world, along with the Wharton Business School.

The Wharton MBA program is fantastic and the school offers to its undergraduates a BS, not a BA in business. I have a BS degree from Wharton and took many of the same classes as the MBA's including accounting and finance classes with the same professors, the difference being the classes taught by the same Professors with an undergraduate classification course number. If I had sub matriculated and taken an additional year of school (which is offered) I could have graduated with an MBA.

That is the fact about University of Pennsylvania and the Wharton School and its BS program.(not BA degree)

Regarding Trump - he is not intelligent, he is not liked and never was at Penn and no one remembers him other than as an asshole. He got in because of Daddy Fred's connections and his kids got in because of the same. Trump doesn't have his name anywhere at Penn and never will. Penn alumni are ashamed he uses the Penn name and claims to have gone to Wharton....its an endorsement they don't want.

When history is told, the name Trump will live in disdain forever and will be a mark of shame for a wonderful University and institution like University of Pennsylvania and the Wharton School.

[smirkymonkey]

40. He went to Penn undergrad.

He did not attend the Wharton Graduate Business School. He does not have an MBA. In fact, I doubt very much that even has a legitimate degree from Penn. He got in because of connections and he probably cheated his way through. His professors were not impressed with him and his classmates barely remember seeing him.

[marble falls]

57. What Penn says ....

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/what_is_trumps_real_record_at.html

What is Trump's real record at Wharton?
Updated Feb 19, 2017; Posted Feb 19, 2017

By Candy Woodall

[email protected]

Shortly after Donald Trump questioned President Barack Obama's legitimacy as a U.S. citizen, he challenged his academic record.

"I heard [Obama] was a terrible student, terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?" Trump said in an April 2011 interview with The Associated Press. "I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records."

During the February 2011 Conservative Political Action Conference, Trump said, "The people that went to school with him, they never saw him, they don't know who he is. It's crazy."

Pulitizer Prize-winning website Politifact rated Trump's statement as a "pants on fire" lie.

All queries and the Politifact report show Obama's time at those Ivy League schools was well documented and represented honestly.

Obama graduated from Columbia University in 1983 with a degree in political science and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School in 1991. He was also the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.

University of Pennsylvania records and documents uncovered by the school's student newspaper, The Daily Pennsylvanian, show it's President Trump's academic record that is now in question.

For decades, the national media has reported that Trump graduated "first in his class" at Wharton, often confusing his undergraduate degree with the Ivy League university's top-ranked MBA program.

In 1973 and 1976, the New York Times reported that Trump graduated first in his class in 1968 from the Wharton School of Finance.

During campaign stops in Pennsylvania, Trump frequently said he was "a very smart guy" and knew the state well because he went to Wharton.

When PennLive tried to delve into his academic record in the summer, a school spokesman said it's university policy to not release such information other than confirming graduation.

In Gwenda Blair's 2001 book, "The Trumps: Three Generations of Builders and a President," she said Trump transferred into Wharton from Fordham University with help from family connections. The president's older brother, Freddy Trump, knew an admissions counselor at Wharton, she said.

That book and some reports in the 1980s claimed Trump didn't graduate first in his class and didn't graduate with honors.

A 1968 commencement program shared Friday by the Daily Pennsylvanian backs that up. It shows that Trump graduated from the undergraduate school of finance and commerce, but he did not graduate at the top of his class or with honors.

The Daily Pennsylvanian also interviewed alumni from Trump's graduating class. Some remembered him as professional, focused and "different from the rest of his class."

Others suggested he was always more interested in real estate in New York than his time at Penn.

Trump's media team has not responded to questions from PennLive about his time at Wharton since April.

[oberliner]

73. He went to (and graduated from) the Wharton School at U Penn for undergrad

I'm sure he was awful in all the ways that are being described, but to say that he did not go to Wharton (as the OP does) is simply not accurate.

[malaise]

44. No he did an undergraduate degree

He is not a Wharton MBA graduate. That is bullshit.

[oberliner]

74. The OP does not mention an MBA degree

The OP claims that he did not go to Wharton, which is false.

[malaise]

77. When someone mentions a Wharton degree

the vast majority of people who know anything about the school assume that they are talking about the MBA.

[oberliner]

78. There are more Wharton undergrads than grad students

[mr_lebowski]

5. Yes, we're sure. Wharton School of Business is a Masters program ...

Trump has only a Bachelors.

Just another lie from IQ45.

[oberliner]

19. Wharton School offers Bachelor and Master degree programs

[mr_lebowski]

24. When you tell people you graduated from Wharton Business, it's universally understood.

That means you have a Master's Degree.

What Trump claims is much like saying you graduated 'Harvard Law' when you really only have a Bachelors from Harvard.

[Baltimike]

25. this. nt

[LuckyLib]

35. Exactly. He's inflated his credentials. Why are we surprised?

[oberliner]

50. That is definitely not true

[Ms. Toad]

83. Not really.

Law schools do not offer undergrad degrees in law, so - no one who only has an undergrad degree could legitimately say they graduated from Harvard Law.

In contrast, Wharton does offer a BS in business - so someone with only an undergrad degree can legitimately say they graduated from Wharton Business.

[OliverQ]

32. Wharton is only famous for its MBA program.

Trump never went to that program and his professors at UPenn said he's the dumbest student they've ever seen.

[oberliner]

49. This is not accurate

Wharton is famous for its undergraduate program as well.

[smirkymonkey]

42. Right. And he does not have an MBA from Wharton.

[oberliner]

75. The OP does not say anything about an MBA

The OP says he did not go to Wharton and that is not accurate.

[Pachamama]

65. It has an undergraduate program degree - I have one

Bachelor of Science

He lies by implying he has an MBA

[question everything]

6. Attended, but not an MBA

Trump’s college background, in fact, is often his key piece of evidence for his intellectual superiority. But there’s less here than meets the eye. Trump did graduate from the Wharton School of business at the University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy League college. But Trump did not get an MBA from Wharton; he has a much less prestigious undergraduate degree. He was a transfer student who arrived at Wharton after two years at Fordham University, which U.S. News & World Report currently ranks 66th among national universities. (Besides, simply going to an Ivy League school doesn’t prove you’re a genius.)

Gwenda Blair, in her 2001 book “The Trumps,” said that Trump’s grades at Fordham were just “respectable” and that he got into Wharton mainly because he had an interview with an admissions officer who had been a high school classmate of his older brother. And Wharton’s admissions team surely knew that Trump was from one of New York’s wealthiest families.

For years, numerous media reports said Trump graduated first in his class from Wharton, but that’s wrong. The 1968 commencement program does not list him as graduating with any sort of honors. In fact, the Boston Globe reported that he barely made an impression at all: “His former classmates said he seemed a student who spoke up a lot but rarely shined in class, who barely participated in campus activities, shunned fraternity parties.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-donald-trump-tells-about-donald-trump/2016/01/28/b7cead16-c46e-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html

[oberliner]

23. So the OP is not accurate

He attended and graduated from the Wharton School with a Bachelor of Science degree in Economics.

[Baltimike]

30. I am very confident he is lying about his record.

[Pachamama]

67. As a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania and the Wharton School w/ a Bachelor of Science

....I can say that he is sadly also.....

He isn't lying about attending Wharton - he is lying by implying he has an MBA which he doesn't....

[Baltimike]

72. I said he was lying about his record...and he *IS*

He stated repeatedly that he graduated at the top of his class.

He even told newspapers back in the day that he was first in his class.

Then, he obfuscates from the BS program to the MBA program...so um...yeah...I am confident that he islying about his record.

Thanks.

[Pachamama]

82. Your original post is inaccurate

Your statement that he didn’t go to Wharton was false. I and others corrected you and you have gotten lots of blowback for that and are over defensive.

Yes Trump falsely has claimed that he graduated with honors and top of the class. But he did go to Wharton.

He has never claimed to have gotten an MBA or gone to the Grad School - he just purposely says Wharton and leaves it at that.

But those of us who attended Wharton undergrad and are proud don’t take kindly to our school being insulted just because a lying ass like Trump attended.

[GP6971]

2. True.

And I think Wharton has no record of him attending let alone graduating.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

8. And they've come out and said so.

But nothing stops the organ-grinder of trmp's lies.

[oberliner]

18. This is not true

[GP6971]

22. Do you have any links

to document that it's not true?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

36. The 1968 graduation program from Penn shows Tump graduating

with a B.S. in economics from the Wharton School, but no honors or anything special. He wants people to think he has the more prestigious Wharton MBA but he doesn't.

[Baltimike]

37. ....shows him graduating undergrad, not MBA. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

38. Yes, that's the point. You can get a bachelor's degree from Wharton. Trump didn't get an MBA

from Wharton or anywhere else.

[oberliner]

17. What are you talking about?

[GP6971]

21. I thought my post was pretty clear. n/t

[Generic Brad]

3. Isn't Wharton the graduate school of business at UPenn?

He may have taken classes in that building as an undergraduate. But if he only has a bachelors degree he did not get a degree from Wharton’s.

[oberliner]

15. You can get a bachelor's degree from Wharton

[OliverQ]

34. That doesn't carry any prestige.

Wharton is famous for the MBA. That's where its clout is. Getting a Bachelors there just means you went to UPenn. Nobody cares if you took classes at the Wharton business school unless you got their MBA.

[NewJeffCT]

46. The University of Pennsylvania is still the top undergraduate business school

according to US News

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business-overall

[oberliner]

48. This is not accurate

[slumcamper]

7. Wherever he went, they must not have taught business ethics!

[nolabear]

9. He did go to Wharton as an undergrad, not in the MBA program.

He bloviates about going as if he got into this incredibly hard yo get into business school, but the fact is he completed his UPenn undergrad program at Wharton and did not attend their “Prestigious Business School.” They’ve publicly distanced themselves from him but he’s like a fungus that just keeps coming back.

[Baltimike]

10. Wharton is a graduate program...he CAN'T go there "undergrad" nt

[oberliner]

13. That's not accurate

[nolabear]

14. ...

https://www.alternet.org/2017/10/former-wharton-professor-trump-was-dumbest-gddam-student-i-ever-had/

[Baltimike]

31. LOL! nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. Not true, Wharton has an undergrad program. It's the business school that's part of Penn.

Trump has a bachelor's degree from the Wharton school at Penn.

[Baltimike]

33. on this part, I stand corrected...but YOU KNOW what he is saying when he says Wharton. nt

[Pachamama]

68. You mean my BS degree from Wharton is fake and I didn't actually go there?

I want my parents money back!!!!

[Baltimike]

71. and had you ONLY looked at the post just above yours, written several hours before you posted...

<<<sigh>>>

[Pachamama]

81. I was answering your post that was wrong

It isn’t my job to read answers written hours earlier while I slept from people pointing out the ignorance and inaccuracies of your post.

I read what you wrote / I answered it

End of story - sigh....

[democratisphere]

11. I don't believe drumpf was born in the United States.

[Baltimike]

12. I think he's an anchor baby, but regardless, he did not attend Wharton. t

[democratisphere]

16. I want to see his diploma and birth certificate.

[Baltimike]

26. me too. nt

[PJMcK]

56. Trump sued Bill Maher over a joke

Briefly, Maher claimed that Trump's parents were orangutans because the color of Trump's hair matched that of the simians. As proof that he was human, Trump sent Maher his birth certificate, (probably not the long-form!).

Here's a YouTube link:

ETA: Here's Maher's summary of the story:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. The Wharton School of Finance and Commerce is a division of Penn, and Trump did attend it

for a couple of years, but only as an undergrad. Using his father's influence he transferred there from Fordham. But he talks about Wharton as if he had graduated from its prestigious MBA program, which he did not. He also claimed at some point that he'd graduated first of his class but Penn has no record of Trump ever having received any honors.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/05/20/its-the-50th-anniversary-of-the-day-trump-left-college-and-nearly-had-to-go-to-war/?utm_term=.5f1c43ff82de

[Gothmog]

29. trump did not graduate with honors

Trump was too stupid to get into the graduate school program at Wharton. In addition, trump did not graduate with honors. http://fortune.com/2015/08/14/donald-trump-wharton/

His school posted his graduate program that shows that he did not graduate with honor shttp://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/what_is_trumps_real_record_at.html

[smirkymonkey]

41. Oh, but I thought he was the smartest person there and graduated at the

top of his class. This is obviously 'false news'.

[malaise]

45. That simple

[oberliner]

59. Is the OP accurate or not?

[Kingofalldems]

62. Now right at this point he was eligible for the draft.

He got a (fake) deferment due to 'bone spurs' in his heel.

The Wharton graduate now can't remember which foot it was.

[delisen]

43. A rich kid's credentials are always suspect

because their family can buy them a degree.

[NewJeffCT]

47. especially back in that era

It's not as common now (though it still happens), but back prior to the 1980s, a son of a wealthy donor (or grandson, nephew, etc) could not only gain entrance to a top school, but they could skate by getting what is called the Gentleman's C - they could not attend class/not do well, but would still get a grade a C because the school didn't want to piss off the wealthy donor.

[redstatebluegirl]

60. They still do it.

I have seen it first hand.

[NewJeffCT]

69. Not always, though

My daughter is a junior in high school and has a friend whose brother that went through the college process last year.

Both his parents were successful Duke alums (mom is a lawyer, dad is a business exec) and they donated annually to Duke in not small amounts. The brother had excellent grades from a top high school that regularly sends kids to Ivy League and similar level schools,a very high SAT score and some good extra curricular activities as well. He applied early decision to Duke last fall (2018) and was deferred. He ended up at Davidson because he didn't' want to wait for Duke. (Davidson is still a very good school, but doesn't have the prestige of Duke)

[TexasTowelie]

52. I live in Wharton.

He could have graduated with an associates degree in business at Wharton County Junior College in two years.

[Kurt V.]

53. .

[SoFlaDem]

54. Trump lies about so much, why focus on this?

From reading the whole thread, I don't see where he lied? Saying he didn't graduate from Wharton is simply wrong. If he claims to have an MBA, that would be a lie, but did he ever claim that?

The extent of Trump's intelligence, it would seem, is on display on a daily basis...

[NewJeffCT]

63. If he applied to any private sector job claiming to have an MBA

and did not, it would be grounds for immediate termination of employment.

Similarly, if he claimed to have graduated with honors, high honors or (top of his class) summa cum laude, but was just a C student, it might also be grounds for termination.

[SoFlaDem]

70. Now we are on a different topic?

I thought this thread was about whether he got a degree from Wharton?

Listen, I know that Trump lies like a rug, but my point is we can't criticize him and not be accurate ourselves.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

80. He has claimed that he graduated first in his class, which is demonstrably untrue.

He didn't graduate with any kind of honors at all. https://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/what_is_trumps_real_record_at.html

[SoFlaDem]

84. But he did attend Wharton

Which is the OP's original post I was replying to.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

85. Yes, as the rest of this thread also explains, but that was only its undergrad program.

Wharton is a business school that is a division of Penn State. It has both an undergraduate and a graduate MBA program. The MBA program is well-known and well-regarded, and Trump likes to suggest, without saying so, that he has a Wharton MBA because that degree carries some cachet. He does not. He has a bachelor's degree that he acquired from Wharton/Penn's undergraduate school.

[Vinca]

61. We can agree on one thing: he's so dumb it's unlikely he could graduate from Trump University.

[no_hypocrisy]

66. Not only that, but:

1. He couldn't get into U Penn with his mediocre grades from Fordham University from where he transferred. His older brother, Fred Jr., had to beg an associate to let his brother into the school. Otherwise, Donald would have been wait-listed.

2. Trump never was on campus except to attend a limited curriculum of real estate development. On week-ends, he would drive back to Queens to work for his father. He never socialized on campus.

[oberliner]

76. You should consider deleting or amending this post

[FakeNoose]

79. Two questions remain:

Whom did he pay to write his final paper for him?
Who took his final exams for him?

We KNOW he couldn't have passed on his own, he surely took credit for another student's work.

[MyNameGoesHere]

86. Hey! We need someone to speak up for tRump

Oh I see someone's got that covered. Carry on.

[KayF]

87. Wharton is in on the decpetion!

https://www.wharton.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/125anniversaryissue/trump.html

[PCIntern]

88. I am a Penn Dental graduate:

Let me tell you from four years of studying and twelve years of (former) professorship here: the undergrad division works extremely hard, much harder than the MBA candidates do, and Trump was the most despised student of his generation here.