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Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:30 AM

 

Tulsi Gabbard is a Democratic presidential candidate to watch

The 2020 election is slowly approaching, and there is already a pool filling with potential presidential candidates for the Democratic party. Of those running, there is a variety of candidates of different races, genders and political experience. Most known within those declaring candidacy are former U.S. Secretary of Housing and Development Julian Castro, New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, California Senator Kamala Harris and Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.

Less known, but equally a contender, is Hawaii congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard. Representative Gabbard is on the younger side of candidates at 37- years-old but has been involved in politics since 2002 when she was elected to Hawaii’s State Legislature. Right after committing to this position, the attacks on 9/11 occurred. Representative Gabbard couldn’t stand still and wanted to take part in fighting for this country. To do this, she joined the Hawaii Army National Guard and voluntarily stepped down from Legislature to serve two tours of duty in the Middle East. Between the tours, she still worked with the U.S. Senate to advise on certain issues which added to the commendible nature of her want to serve.

The platform that she is running on stems heavily from environmental passions, civil liberties and changing economic allocations. Her enthusiasm for protecting the environment, our air and water quality and sustainable energy stems from experience. She began Healthy Hawai’i Coalition when she was a teenager, a non-profit focused on educating about and protecting the environment. Her drive for unity and serving the American people can also be rooted in her past service to the country through her time dedicated to the National Guard, with whom she still serves as a Major.

https://duclarion.com/2019/01/tulsi-gabbard-is-a-democratic-presidential-candidate-to-watch/

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Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:24 AM

29. +1

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Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:27 AM

36. Jill Stein was 100 percent against the Democratic Party

 

Tulsi Gabbard is a proud Democrat seeking the nomination of the party.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:46 AM

63. Based on her history, I don't see a reason to trust her. She's another flavor of Lieberman.

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #63)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:50 AM

70. In what ways is she similar to Joe Lieberman?

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #70)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:54 AM

77. She shits on Democrats.

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #77)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:45 PM

117. Specifically President Obama and Mazie Hirono.

Though I wouldn’t put it that way, I can’t disagree.

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #77)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 05:49 PM

152. So does the OP!

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #63)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:50 AM

71. She has a sketchy background and inconsistent in her views especially regarding LGBT issues.

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #63)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:58 AM

84. That's a good one, themaguffin. "Another flavor of Lieberman."

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Response to calimary (Reply #84)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:51 PM

130. :) Lieberman concentrate.

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Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:47 AM

66. +2

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:44 AM

2. Time will tell

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:27 AM

33. Here's a photo of the author of that Rolling Stone piece

 

Last edited Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:14 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to oberliner (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:44 AM

59. The content of the article appears to be factual.

BTW, what does that photo have to do with anything? What point are you trying to make?

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #59)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:52 AM

75. People are commenting on the author of the OP being a college student

 

The author of the Rolling Stone piece also seems to be on the young side.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #75)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:54 AM

78. Any issues with the content he wrote?

Like incorrect dates or facts wrong.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #78)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:29 PM

105. This poster thinks it's somehow profound to do that.

It’s supposed to mean something, apparently. The poster did that frequently when he/she was actively defending the Covington kids while trying to smear Nathan Phillips.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #105)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:47 PM

165. Oh boy I missed that weekend....

Wow. Woooooowee. Unreal.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #75)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:23 PM

102. Are there any facts that are wrong in that article?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:13 PM

88. Wut?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:13 PM

89. You don't like what he says

So you attack him personally by trying to show him in an unflattering photo? Not cool. Argue with his facts, point out where you think he is wrong, cite evidence that oppose his facts, but don't attack him ad hominem. It reflects poorly on you, not him.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 07:55 PM

158. Gee, a young reporter tries out VR goggles

When I was a young reporter, I had to help deliver a baby calf at the state fair.
So your point is...?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 09:33 PM

162. Cool...

... I bet he flys a drone also.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:24 PM

200. Here's the photo Newsweek uses.



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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:45 AM

3. I think most of us have already seen "Titanic" multiple times....

and we know the ending....

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:12 AM

15. Shit, we're currently living it!

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:36 PM

146. Yeah, I'll take a pass. I think there's a rerun of The Orville playing somewhere.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:45 AM

4. I've never paid much attention to her so I don't know a lot about her other than

a few threads here I have read and trashed about her. I had no idea she is running on the environment civil liberties and changing economic allocations. I knew she was the National Guard, but didn't know she still served as a Major. I'm going to be looking at her closer

This I found kind of laughable. Her 2017 meeting with Bashar al-Assad, the incumbent president of Syria? Does she meet with him often? Trump/Putin anyone?
"weak on Syria and the humanitarian crisis."? I don't hear a lot from anyone on that.

Many see her as being too close to al-Assad as well as weak on Syria and the humanitarian crisis. This could be an issue as individuals do not want the acts of Syria or its leaders to be legitimized or supported by the leaders of the U.S.


Seems that these thing are only an issue for Dems if someone wants them to be an issue.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:24 AM

28. What is the Democratic Party position with respect to US troops in Syria?

 

It seems like that is still an open question among the candidates. I'd be interested in hearing more from them about it - and about war and peace in general.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:31 AM

40. I don't know what it is and all honestly I have paid no attention to Syria other than hearing

a few things about the humanitarian crisis from the bombings and a few blurbs about withdrawing troops from Syria. It seems like the fucking wall and the boogeymen attacking us from the south is all that's discussed, it almost seems like those things are being used as a distraction.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:35 AM

46. Yes, agreed

 

I wish that the networks could devote more time to a greater variety of issues. They definitely seem to spend more time on analysis of dumb Trump tweets than analysis of US foreign policy, for example.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:51 PM

121. Oh no, people here in her district her very upset when she met w Assad.

This is a good article from the Honolulu Star Advertiser last Synday. It’s our newspaper.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/01/27/hawaii-news/butler-and-his-organization-criticize-the-press-decline-interviews/?HSA=72bb47cbf37cb9fee9ab9c8a2ca401668c4b4615

There are positives and negatives about Tulsi Gabbard but one of her gifts is discerning progressives’ emotional buttons and hitting them, leading some to assume we understand her values and can trust her. You don’t and you can’t.

Speaking as her constituent.

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Response to mahina (Reply #121)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:55 PM

131. Then I'll respect her constituents should they decide to vote her out of office and not support

her running for president. She's held the seat for 6 years so obviously she's been re elected a few times. There are other Dems that I don't trust also and as has been said here time and again the worst Dem is better than any Republican. I agree with her on her support for abortion rights, Medicare for All, her call for a restoration of the Glass–Steagall Act, and I applaud her changing her stance to support same-sex marriage in 2012 and as some here would say, she evolved. She is critical of U.S. foreign policy re Iraq, Libya and Syria. Opposing removing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power by force seems to be a problem for some but we have seen removing dictators by US force has never worked out very well for the people in those countries.

I didn't know a lot about her till this thread and I goggled her. Any thread on usually turned into a Bernie thing so until I cleaned out my trashed key words I have seen nothing about her. She looks like a mixed bag to me and not being a constituent I'm happy to see her in the race and on the Democratic side.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:46 AM

5. Why post shit like this? Seriously.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:57 AM

13. Because she's a Democratic presidential candidate would be my guess.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:14 AM

17. Seriously. It looks like an opinion by some college student.

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Response to Glimmer of Hope (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:22 AM

26. Yes, it looks to be an op-ed by someone affiliated with Denver University

 

Written in support of a Democratic candidate for president. What's the problem?

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Response to manor321 (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:21 AM

25. A positive article by a young person written in support of a prominent Democrat running for POTUS

 

Why would that be a problem?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:28 AM

38. Apparently a Democratic WOC..

running for president isn't a big deal?? Frowned upon?? At a loss...

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #38)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:44 PM

115. Lol

Gabbard’s not a WOC.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #115)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:10 PM

139. Oh, she's white???...

I did not know this - thanks for the update..

Is AOC white as well??.. for future reference.. cause I guess I'm white now too..

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #115)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:38 PM

201. FWIW, Wikipedia says her father is of Samoan

(And other) descent. Wouldn’t Samoan ancestry (of some percentage) qualify as a person of color?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:50 AM

6. LOL. SSDD!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:21 AM

23. Posting positive articles supporting Democratic candidates is what DU is all about

 

Nothing is more important than advocating for Democrats.

At least, in my view.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:21 AM

24. Cool story, bro

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Response to FSogol (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:03 PM

101. ++++++

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:53 AM

7. Dates do not match...

Says got into politics in 2002....then says 9/11 happened...that was in 2001.

I am not doubting her service, but this is sloppy bio puffery at best. Attention to detail is pretty important to me.

I wish her well but her candidacy seems to raise her personal profile more than anything else.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:18 AM

19. I think this was written by a college student

 

The source is affiliated with a DU (Denver University) college fraternal organization.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:43 AM

167. Exactly. This was a puff piece written by a naive college student. n/t

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:53 AM

8. Yeah, Like a snake.

To make sure she doesn't bite - because she has a tendency to hit at the Democratic party instead of the Repubs, and to support dictators like Assad and other awful men, like Modi and Trump.

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Response to KitSileya (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:19 AM

20. "I have seen this cost of war firsthand, which is why I fight so hard for peace"

 

She does make a persuasive case for not having troops in Syria (and some other places), in my view.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 05:59 PM

154. Snore ... nt

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:53 AM

9. Still nope. nt

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:54 AM

10. Um, no

Not respected in Hawaii for refusing to debate her primary challenger

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:56 AM

11. She is someone to watch alright!

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 03:33 PM

134. TBH, I have concerns ...

https://www.meanwhileinhawaii.org/home/butlersweb

An excellent 3-part investigative piece written by a local Hawaiian journalist.

I am normally a big proponent of supporting all Dems and not tearing down our candidates ... but Gabbard's not gonna go very far in this horserace. Nor should she, IMHO.
Squirrely cults that operate international pyramid schemes is just a bridge too damn far. She, and her top staffers, still have strong ties to the cult.

We can do better, and we are:
We already have several much, much better candidates to choose from, and the contender list is just going to keep growing. It's still very early.

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Response to happybird (Reply #134)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 07:54 PM

157. She won't get over 2%

But she will get a huge amount of airtime, especially on Faux News.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:56 AM

12. naw.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:08 AM

14. Okayyyy.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:14 AM

16. Not a fan of Gabbard

Her support of Assad and her embrace of the far right in India is disconcerting. She also worked with an anti-LGBT organization that was tied to conversion therapy. There are much better candidates either running or soon to be running.

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Response to ZeroSomeBrains (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:16 AM

18. I think she has pros and cons

 

Clearly, not popular around these parts, but I feel like she could be an interesting addition to the mix.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:20 AM

22. Interesting or disruptive?

I'm sensing a theme.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:30 AM

39. Republicans will not like her...

we know that much..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:39 AM

50. Do those guys like anyone?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #50)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:50 PM

129. What the poster asserted is not true..

Why Conservative Media and the Far Right Love Tulsi Gabbard for President

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-conservative-media-and-the-far-right-love-tulsi-gabbard-for-president

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:30 PM

90. No - but a lot of Trump supporters will like her.

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:49 PM

128. Why Conservative Media and the Far Right Love Tulsi Gabbard for President

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:40 AM

166. Steve Bannon, the National Review, Tucker Carlson, and Stephen Spencer (white nationalist)

are among the right-wingers who love her.

Maybe it started when she was attacking Obama for not using the term "radical Islamic terrorists" to refer to ISIS.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:37 AM

47. For one thing she is a veteran

 

I think that gives her a unique perspective on issues related to war and peace.

She is also non-white and non-Christian which adds another unique dimension to her campaign.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:45 AM

60. Good points..

sounds like +++ in my book...

I wonder what she did to get so much vitriol from her own party.. I wish I could put my finger on it..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #60)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 07:28 PM

156. Try her Obama-bashing on FOX and her cozying up to Assad and trump.

That should give you an idea. You actually haven't heard any of that?

She's wasting her time.

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Response to brush (Reply #156)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:42 AM

186. Obama "bashing"..

good talking point..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #186)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 05:24 PM

199. Not hard to find. Try google.

Get informed.

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Response to brush (Reply #199)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 09:14 AM

203. Here is the problem..

when you believe someone is "perfect" as a lot of naive ppl believe - any criticism, large or small is seen as "bashing"..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #203)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 12:28 PM

205. Ridiculous. An alleged Dem going on right wing FOX and speaking against///

the President and leader of her party.

She's wasting her time ad has no shot, as witnessrd by her disastrous rollout compared to Harris'.

And now she's pitting herself against Hirono of her own state.

Not the best move.

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Response to brush (Reply #205)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:01 AM

206. When former repub loyalist

go on CNN & MSNBC & criticize the Orange one, I assume you applaud - or do you say... shame on you, party loyalty should be maintained!! Or do you say, they have some valid points here...

see alleged R's Max Boot, Anna Navvarro, Steve Schmitt & many...many & many/many/many others - the new darlings of the "resistance"..

I'm not the one being ridiculous here...

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #206)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:25 AM

207. Clearly you are. Neither Obama nor the Dem party is suspected of treason.

And now back to Gabbard's disjointed roll-out. She didn't even alert her campaign that she was going to announce. Her campaign manager has resigned, and she didn't even go to Iowa or New Hampshire after announcing.

Waste of time.

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Response to brush (Reply #207)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:29 AM

208. President Obama Endorses Tulsi Gabbard (2012)

 

President Barack Obama has endorsed Tulsi Gabbard’s bid to become the representative for
Hawaii’s second Congressional District. The president released the following statement.

“America's middle class needs Tulsi Gabbard in Congress to stand up and fight for
them. Tulsi will create jobs here at home by building from the middle out, not the
top down. She will protect Medicare for our seniors and education for our next
generation. Middle class families can count on Tulsi Gabbard and she needs their
support on Election Day."

Tulsi Gabbard issued the following response: “President Obama has great aloha for the people
of Hawai‘i and the people of our country, so I am very happy to receive his support and look
forward to working closely with him to improve our economy, get our troops out of Afghanistan
as quickly and safely as possible, and work for the well-being of all of our people.”

https://www.votetulsi.com/sites/default/files/attachments/press-releases/president_obama_statement_on_tulsi_gabbard_campaign.pdf

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Response to oberliner (Reply #208)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:02 PM

209. That was 2012. I doubt he'll be endorsing her pres. bid after the things she's done since 2012.

She's wasting her time.

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Response to brush (Reply #209)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:49 PM

211. He will endorse her if she gets the Democratic nomination

 

But I think the likelihood of that happening is quite small.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:52 AM

74. I didn't know that she's a Hindu and not a Christian, I like that.

Religious diversity is a refreshing change.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:32 PM

106. Like spending a week defending the Covington kids?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:33 AM

42. Warren and Bernie are much better candidates than Gabbard

Gabbard still is better than a Republican but she would need to change a lot of her positions to actually have a chance at becoming a US Senator from Hawaii let alone become President.

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Response to ZeroSomeBrains (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:37 AM

48. I think there is a great slate of candidates emerging

 

I look forward to hearing from and learning more about each and every one of them.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:43 PM

112. Odd. Last week you entertained conjecture there are too many candidates.

But I get it... an objective premise can often change, predicated wholly on the convenience of the day or the mere direction of the wind.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #112)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:48 PM

119. And, in some cases, instructions from up top.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #112)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 05:06 PM

197. Or a coin toss. Or just a general mendacity.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:20 AM

21. She hasn't a prayer.

Her past positions on several things will eliminate her early. I don't know why she's bothering with this, really.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:48 AM

68. Stranger things have happened

 

See 2016.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #68)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:40 PM

93. With all due respect...

The rise of Trump depended on a certain amount of sheer gullibility in the GOP and the electorate in general... not to mention suppressive effort of people like Gabbard.

The Democratic Party in general is not THAT gullible. She fades fast and early, IMHO.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #93)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 05:14 AM

171. It definitely does not look promising for her thus far

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #68)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:44 AM

168. And that's why smart people like you should not be taking her seriously. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #168)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 05:17 AM

172. All the Democratic candidates are worth a look

 

There are a lot of interesting options. Of course, all but one of them will end up not getting the nomination. Gabbard is definitely a long shot. Personally, the candidate I am most excited about right now is Kamala Harris, but I think they are all good.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #172)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:51 AM

191. Gabbard's refusal to acknowledge that Assad chemically attacked his own citizens, and her

secret meeting with him; and her wrong-headed attacks on Obama for not using the words "radical Islamic terrorism" instead of ISIS; and her refusal to support gay marriage in Hawaii as recently as 2013, are among the reasons I'm convinced we can immediately narrow the field down by one now.

While it is still early, I do like Kamala a lot at this point.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #191)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:54 AM

193. What do you think US policy should be with respect to Syria?

 

Which Democratic candidate has views that most closely align with your own on this topic and what are those views?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #193)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:02 PM

195. I haven't investigated all of their varying positions. As far as I know, none of them

insist on using the term "radical Islamic terrorism" instead of ISIS -- because they believe, as I do, that all Muslims shouldn't be smeared with that brush.

All of them accept the view of the intelligence community that Assad chemically attacked his own people -- and I do, too.

And as far as I know, Tulsi is the only one who voted AGAINST accepting Syrian refugees (along with Republicans).

But I haven't looked at all of the other candidates positions on Syria, and I don't know the best way to withdraw -- I only know I'm not comfortable with Tulsi's positions so far.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #195)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:26 PM

196. Here is what she said in terms of terminology

 

"You know, I understand and appreciate the president's concern which is he doesn't want all Muslims to be cast with the same targeting or the same look at this handful of radical jihadists, and I agree with that. No one wants that to happen, but that's why I think it is important that we make the distinction between the vast majority of Muslims who are practicing their spiritual path, who appreciate and support a pluralistic society and government that's free, versus the small handful of people who like ISIS and al-Qaeda, who believe that unless you abide by their caliphate and their theocracy, you should be killed. And obviously that's something we need to be able to identify in order to defeat this threat."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1606/17/sitroom.02.html


Here's her position on Syria (per her campaign website):

Tulsi is the leading voice in Congress calling for an end America's interventionist wars of regime change that have cost our nation trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. She has introduced a resolution that would end our illegal and counterproductive war to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad which is creating more devastation, human suffering, and refugees while strengthening terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda.

https://www.votetulsi.com/node/25114

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:35 PM

145. I doubt that she will do well in the primaries

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:23 AM

27. Just as an FYI.. this is a university paper and the author is a student.

Could be why some information in the article is not consistent like the dates in these sentences:

"since 2002 when she was elected to Hawaii’s State Legislature. Right after committing to this position, the attacks on 9/11 occurred."

BTW, Tulsi will not be a factor despite this student's opinion.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:48 AM

67. Yes, a tad sloppy for sure

 

But it's always good to get the POV of younger potential Democratic Party voters.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:53 AM

76. Next time you post a student op-ed I suggest noting that.

It will help to alleviate confusion when the content is garbage.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:25 AM

30. Crackerjack reportage from the "official student newspaper of the University of Denver."

Article is positioned right between the “Dormitory Doings” column and the “Kampus Krazies” cartoon. Don't to forget to clip the 15-cents-off coupon when you purchase a small frozen yogurt at the cooperage.

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Response to VOX (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:47 AM

64. College students are the future

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #64)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 08:09 PM

160. I agree. The Future.

There is a reason 21 year olds and very few people in the 20’s have leadership roles or other positions of power. Education and passion are important. But nothing beats hard earned experience.

Well, except in college newspapers. They have leadership roles in college newspapers which make many of the entertaining to read.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:25 AM

31. Tulsi Gabbard the candidate to watch!!

To be the next one to drop out of race!!

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:26 AM

32. fuck putin!

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #32)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:46 AM

62. What does Putin have to do with Gabbard?

 

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:27 AM

34. She is

One of the worst cases of DINO I have ever seen

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Response to Timewas (Reply #34)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:33 AM

41. That would be Mccaskill..

who now works for CNN - anyone surprised??

Corporate media always takes care of their own...

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #41)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:35 AM

45. Maybe but

She is not actively trying to run as Dem.as far as I know.

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Response to Timewas (Reply #45)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:42 AM

55. Nor should she...

she could challenge Trump for the R nomination, as that is where her ideology/ loyalties are..

Regarding Tulsi, if you call someone a "DINO" at least show some evidence;

[link:http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Tulsi-Gabbard-412532|

"Summary of voting record: Representative Gabbard opposes big business, foreign and humanitarian aid, taxing the middle class, domestic surveillance and supports consumer protection, disaster relief, funding education, environmental protection, financial sector regulation, gun control, public health, humane immigration policy, labor rights and wages, lgbt rights, avoiding default, poverty amelioration, racial equality, increasing revenues, taxing the wealthy, countering russian interference, a robust safety net, higher spending, women's rights."

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:50 AM

189. She is?

Go figure. Now she can speak for her party!

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Response to samplegirl (Reply #189)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:56 AM

190. Which party would that be??,,,

cause last we heard from her during her failed campaign she was FOR trumps wall and against shiny new "things" like AOC - so she fits right in @ CNN

I just don't know who she speaks FOR.. other than old, privileged white women that got trump elected.. like Shakiras hips, stats don't lie

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:27 AM

35. So you should go watch her. And definitely you should watch the WHOLE video.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:28 AM

37. LOL n/t

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Response to Squinch (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:39 AM

51. Boom!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:43 AM

57. What video are you talking about? She hasn't officially launched yet (Feb 2)

 

Are you still referencing the Nathan Phillips video?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #57)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:52 PM

122. Watch the video.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:34 AM

43. ...

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:34 AM

44. I'm still looking for evidence that any House-based candidate is viable...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #44)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:40 AM

53. Nineteen Representatives have served as President

 

Including Abraham Lincoln.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:42 AM

56. ...and the last was elected in...?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #56)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:45 AM

61. Gerald Ford, right?

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:49 AM

69. Gerald Ford, the Vice President?

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #69)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:50 AM

72. Right - wasn't he House minority leader before that?

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #72)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:56 AM

81. Nixon picked Ford to replace Agnew, who resigned in disgrace & then of course Nixon did too..

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #69)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:51 AM

73. Ford was never elected as President...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #73)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:55 AM

80. Exactly

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #73)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:58 AM

83. So who was the last House member to be elected President?

 

I give up.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #83)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:14 PM

202. James Garfield.

From Ohio (1880)

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Response to Adsos Letter (Reply #202)

Thu Jan 31, 2019, 12:14 PM

204. Wow - it has been a while

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:38 PM

110. Gerald Ford was appointed to be VP, Nixon resigned and he became President. Not elected to either.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:38 AM

49. I get the strong impression republicans would love to see her nominated.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #49)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:40 AM

54. Or the Russian Internet Research Agency.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #54)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:47 AM

65. Oh, those darn roooskies!!

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:40 AM

52. Thank you for the post.

Not at the top of my list, but I'll be voting for the Dem nominee. I'm going to make an effort not to dis on anyone yet.

Right now I really like Warren's tax plan and Harris's charisma.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #52)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:44 AM

58. You're welcome

 

There are so many exciting and interesting Democratic candidate to get to know better!

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:55 AM

79. Her aunt agrees that she should be watched, but not the way you mean:

The Real Tulsi Gabbard

As Representative Tulsi Gabbard’s aunt, it gives me no pleasure to publicly air my doubts regarding my niece’s political agenda, which Kelefa Sanneh describes in his Profile (“Against the Tide,” November 6th). However, I take my role as a citizen seriously, and I would be remiss not to share my concerns. Sanneh raises the issue of Gabbard’s lifelong immersion in the Science of Identity Foundation, an opaque religious organization that she and its founder, Chris Butler, have attempted to reframe as a “resource.” Gabbard’s answer to a basic question about Butler is troubling: despite calling him her “guru dev” (spiritual master) in her own promotional video, she denies that he is more important than any of her other teachers. She also has a notably mixed voting record, and associations that veer from certain progressive causes to the apparent courting of such strongmen as Narendra Modi, Bashar al-Assad, and Abdel Fattah el-Sisi (not to mention Trump)—this zigzagging path through positions is vexing. Sanneh’s article walks the fine line of investigation and exposition in a way that points to shadows worthy of further illumination.

Caroline Sinavaiana Gabbard

Honolulu, Hawaii


Letter to The New Yorker, November 13, 2017

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 11:57 AM

82. Wow.. is that for real??

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #82)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:37 PM

92. Very true.

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:00 PM

85. That reminds me of when Republicans posted negative crap from Obama's half-brother

 

To try to discredit him.

Also reminds me of when Republicans honed in on Rev. Wright as a way of attacking Obama's religious beliefs.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #85)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:09 PM

87. Of course it does

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Response to oberliner (Reply #85)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:43 PM

95. Sina, as she is known to friends here in Hawai'i, is a brilliant and very ethical person. It took

Courage to make her concerns known.

Tulsi’s father is her brother. She knows what she is talking about.

She is a recently retired professor of English. She is speaking for herself.

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Response to mahina (Reply #95)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:44 PM

96. Thank you for this.

+1

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #96)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:44 PM

114. You bet. Did you read the article in the Sunday Honolulu

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Response to mahina (Reply #114)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:27 PM

142. Thanks for the link. I will read it a bit later.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #85)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:44 PM

113. I too, pretend a spurious correlation "reminds me" of whatever is most convenient at the moment.

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:56 PM

99. Huh. Never mind her political positions, if this is all true it means...

... she's very vulnerable to swift-boating. We need someone crispy clean, like Obama, so they have to resort to something as ridiculous as the birther campaign.

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:20 PM

140. Here's another link re: Butler's organization

https://www.meanwhileinhawaii.org/home/butlersweb

A fascinating read, very thorough, written by local Hawaiian journalist..

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:02 PM

86. So is there a specific Democratic candidate we should ignore?

Honestly, if you have the time, you should probably look at all of the candidates- Democratic, Republican, and Independent.

Truth is, unless you live in an early primary state, many of these early candidates will have already dropped out. That is how it works. One hopes that if their passions and political platforms resonate with voters they will either do well themselves or those ideas will be encorporated into those of other more viable candidates.

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #86)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:26 PM

103. You're just too reasonable..



we need outrage... outrage I tell ya!!!

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #103)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:33 PM

108. Ha!

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:31 PM

91. To watch and vomit. Absolutely!

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:42 PM

94. Thanks for posting! K&R

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:47 PM

97. There are a lot of choices out there

this one isn't one of my top five.

And that is fine. If people choose to vote for her, well, I guess they can. I doubt she'll be our nominee though.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:54 PM

98. Until the moment all her homophobic slurs get dredged up, of course...

Then there's that whole Assad-Putin thing...

There's more but I'll stop here for now

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:00 PM

100. ..to watch crash and burn the fastest?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:27 PM

104. Great post. Very useful. Almost prophetic.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:33 PM

107. She's not a serious candidate IMO

Despite the OPs protestations.

In my opinion, this is a vanity campaign intended to raise her profile among conservative Dems/Indys and Fox News viewers. This rep has no support with party brass, suffers from a serious case of whataboutism, and will not finish in the top 5 in any primary outside of Hawaii.

But please, by all means, tell us all about her 'legit' candidacy ... for the 20th time in the last month.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:34 PM

109. Oh my, this is the best thread yet!



Unintentional comedy at its finest.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:45 PM

116. That's a very well-written promotion piece. Still NO for me.

I don not find her trustworthy based on past actions and statements.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:46 PM

118. Gabbard on the Shutdown: "Both sides...unwilling to come together..."

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:50 PM

120. Sounds like the perfect candidate for you

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #120)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 03:36 PM

136. ...

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:54 PM

123. Not. Will not support her and will not vote for her --- ever. nt

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:13 PM

124. Tulsi's bio has been deeply researched by good sources & given here. She's a Dem like...

...I'm the Queen of Rumania.

She's a very pretty face, raised in a highly authoritarian American cult (Hindu in name only), and groomed for what she's doing.

It is not "bashing a Dem" to point this out.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #124)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:31 PM

126. :) She's a liberal like I'm cozy with Sheldon Adelson.

And that's not bashing a Dem because some Dems are proudly conservative, some are far-left or -right authoritarian, others are...uncategorizable. And in some cases perhaps all depending on the mood of the moment.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:24 PM

125. As we get closer to an election, I urge my fellow DUers to be

on the lookout for two kinds of threads.

First, of course, are threads whose purpose is to sow division among us and set us at each other.

Second is threads that are designed as "honey traps." In these, a poster will start a thread that is obviously controversial, and then ask "innocent" questions of the responders in an effort to get them to say something negative that could get their post hidden. Its all quite skillfully done, but there are examples of this kind of ratfucking daily here.

Generally the same posters create both kinds of threads, so beware, DUers, and be safe out there.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #125)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:32 PM

127. +1

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Response to Squinch (Reply #125)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:57 PM

132. +1,000,000

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Response to Squinch (Reply #125)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 03:15 PM

133. +++++++

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Response to Squinch (Reply #125)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 03:36 PM

135. Yup -- too many take the bait

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Response to Squinch (Reply #125)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 03:51 PM

137. Awesome PSA. n/t

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Response to Squinch (Reply #125)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 03:55 PM

138. ...........

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Response to Squinch (Reply #125)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:26 PM

141. +1

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Response to Squinch (Reply #125)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:31 PM

143. Supporting Democrats is an essential component of the DU mission

 

If we all focus on highlighting the best of every Democrat running in 2020, then we can help stay united in ensuring that whoever wins the nomination gets full-throated support and eventual victory.

Let's stick to positive posts about the many talented Democrats that have thrown their hats into the ring this far. We can avoid division, stand united, and work together to ensure the success of our party.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #143)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:32 PM

144. You didn't watch the video.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #143)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:56 PM

148. Imo, not all who call themselves Democrats have the

right stuff to be our national leader, though. Although we should not attack those who wear our party label, I disagree that we have a duty to "highlight the best" of those we believe have too little of that.

Fwiw, I also believe that encouraging all Democratic candidates who represent an extreme range of views is a luxury for safer times. The last time I felt even remotely that way was with Ralph Nader in 2000. After that dreadful electoral disaster, I didn't need losses in 2002, 2004, 2010, 2014, and 2016 to understand the problem. Not when whole nations are lost by razor-thin margins and whole populations are being manipulated by sophisticated IT techniques from right-wing enemies domestic and foreign.

Of course, we should continually educate ourselves about all candidates who choose to run under our label. New material to consider is frequently turned up. This January 14 Vanity Fair article, for instance, points out many questions but also has many links which connect readers with other sources who will continue digging for further information.

IS TULSI GABBARD THE JILL STEIN OF 2020?
The Democratic candidate’s perplexing, Bannonesque foreign policy and passivity toward Assad may make her radioactive. And then there is the homophobia.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-run

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Response to oberliner (Reply #143)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 05:40 PM

150. You want to avoid division?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #150)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 05:09 PM

198. Just for yesterday.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #125)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:36 PM

164. You are spot on

I posted about this phenomenon in the help forum. There are a number of things that get posted here with the motives that you describe and you have to be careful in how you respond.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:52 PM

147. Tulsi Gabbard is on Narendra Modi's payroll

I'd prefer not to trade one foreign puppet for another, thank you.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:57 PM

149. If Tulsi calls, I'll take a meeting with her...

...but based on who I've seen so far, I think it'll be a hard sell.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #149)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 05:42 PM

151. There you go

She's on the bottom of my list, but I'd fight like a dog for her if she won the nomination.

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #151)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 08:09 PM

159. And so would I, knowing the odds weren't good.

I'm referring to choices for the nomination. I've met with Harris, Swalwell, Bullock and Hickenlooper (and I know Brown), so there are clearly better options.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 05:52 PM

153. The OP seems to gravitate to the most divisive, least electable

candidates in the field. IOW the candidates most likely to breed apathy in the Democratic base, thus ensuring a Trump victory.

How peculiar.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #153)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 08:11 PM

161. My top candidate is Kamala Harris

 

I think the other Democratic candidates are also very good, but Harris is my #1 as of now.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 06:25 PM

155. Tulsi Gabbard campaign in disarray

This is a very interesting article https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/tulsi-gabbard-2020-election-1134055

Tulsi Gabbard’s presidential campaign hasn’t officially launched yet but it’s already melting down.

Two-and-a-half weeks after she told CNN she had decided to run for the White House—an announcement that even her own staff didn't know was coming, after weeks of debating the timing of the rollout—the 37-year-old congresswoman has struggled to contain the chaos.

Campaign manager Rania Batrice and Gabbard’s consulting firm Revolution Messaging are set to depart after this weekend’s official kickoff in Hawaii, two sources familiar with the situation told POLITICO. Gabbard is leaning on her sister, Vrindavan, to fill the void.

Meanwhile, the congresswoman is under fire back home after picking a fight with Sen. Mazie Hirono, and a prominent Democratic state lawmaker is already challenging Gabbard in next year’s congressional primary. That means she faces the possibility of losing the presidential race and her House seat as well.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #155)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 05:09 AM

170. Definitely off to a rough start

 

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2019, 10:06 PM

163. According to somebody writing for the University of Denver online publication. I wonder

if Tulsi's publicist, Chris Cooper of the Potomac Group, is placing these articles in university sites, or paying students to do so.

The named writer, Cameron Elder, isn't listed among the staff of the publication.

https://duclarion.com/staff-directory/

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #163)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 05:08 AM

169. It's her first year in college

 

I would think it would be unusual for her to be an editor in her first year at the school.

She has written about ten articles for the publication.

https://duclarion.com/author/cameronelder/

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Response to oberliner (Reply #169)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:53 AM

192. So you posted a puff piece by a 19 year old just because she's young or something?

Because she doesn't seem very informed.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #192)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:00 PM

194. Yes

 

I thought it was interesting to read a young college student's take on one of the 2020 Democratic candidates.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 05:19 AM

173. Tulsi Gabbard is a big NOOOOOOOOO!

She is a Joe Lieberman lite candidate.

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #173)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 06:23 AM

174. Her campaign definitely seems to be off to a rough start

 

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:24 AM

175. I trust Howard Dean regarding Tulsi Gabbard..

Dean: Tulsi Gabbard. I don’t think she knows what she’s doing and I don’t think she should be qualified. She’s not qualified.”


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Response to honest.abe (Reply #175)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:35 AM

184. I don't...

he's a lobbyist, and not on our side (anymore), if he ever was..

CNN also recently hired McCaskill for her "leftist" views( hilarious, I know).. and Flake also got a corporate news gig.. it seems "news" has an affinity for right wing talking points

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #184)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:41 AM

185. Howard Dean is not on our side?!?

Have I logged into Bizarrro World?

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #185)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:43 AM

187. Yeah, I know what you mean..

it's crazy sometimes..

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:27 AM

176. Why Would Anyone Need To Watch Her, Specifically?

I can hear the exact same "both parties are equally to blame" idiocy from any of a plethora of pundits.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:28 AM

177. Not True

Her campaign is already unraveling before it even really starts! Her campaign manager is leaving and her past statements leaning to the right views are surfacing. I have added her to the Sanders and Gillibrand column, of folks, that I will not support.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:33 AM

178. Ill watch to see how quickly she drops from the race

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:37 AM

179. I'm DEEPLY suspicious of Gabbard.

People need to be aware of her past.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:04 AM

180. I doubt it.

The only group of people I've seen her actually appeal to are the Bernie-or-Bust crowd from last primary season, who like her because she quit the DNC.

Other than that, there's not much there. And, she's got a bunch of unpleasant things in her political history, from anti-LGBT positions to Hindu nationalism to sort-of being an apologist for Assad.

I don't see her getting much mainstream Democratic support.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #180)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:06 AM

181. She certainly doesn't seem to have much support here

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #181)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:24 AM

182. Honestly, I don't see her getting much support anywhere except for places like the Jimmy Dore show.

The lack of support here probably has a lot to do with her choice to join the "primaries were rigged" crowd in 2016, which is the same reason she has support from the JPR crowd.

And it's true that DU is not the Democratic Party as a whole, but she's alienated large swathes of the party outside of DU, not just with the DNC stunt, but also with Assad and other things, for example, comments blaming "both sides" for the recent shutdown, etc.

The question, to me, is what else does she have going for her besides giving the finger to the Democratic establishment? She's obviously trying to be a form of Bernie 2.0, but I don't see it. Even a fair number of people on the left (e.g. Sam Seder) have suspicions about her apparent sympathies for people like Modi and Assad. Also, given that one of the "standard knocks" on Bernie-type candidates is that they prioritize economic issues over social issues, her anti-LGBT past is not going to play well.

Unlike someone like AOC, who does have the potential to someday become Bernie 2.0, I don't see Gabbard as having much appeal outside of people who simply dislike the Democratic Party.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:34 AM

183. no thanks. nt

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:45 AM

188. Tulsi Gabbard's campaign already loses campaign manager, consultants

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:22 PM

210. As people get into the race you can almost pick the top 3 contenders who will be standing

as the primaries wind down and I doubt Tulsi will be among them.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #210)

Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:49 PM

212. Agreed

 

Long odds for sure.

But stranger things have happened.

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