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Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:18 AM

Assuming arguendo,*45 is guilty of espionage, obstruction etc; what punishment would fit the crime?

Iím opposed to the death penalty as a matter of principle. Not to rush to judgement, but a life sentence seems appropriate.


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Reply Assuming arguendo,*45 is guilty of espionage, obstruction etc; what punishment would fit the crime? (Original post)
Marcuse Jan 13 OP
TygrBright Jan 13 #1
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 13 #36
NanceGreggs Jan 13 #2
DavidDvorkin Jan 13 #8
NanceGreggs Jan 13 #13
sheshe2 Jan 13 #14
Beakybird Jan 13 #3
luvallpeeps Jan 13 #4
TreasonousBastard Jan 13 #5
dawg day Jan 13 #6
First Speaker Jan 13 #7
blitzen Jan 13 #9
Roland99 Jan 13 #10
Zoonart Jan 13 #15
clementine613 Jan 13 #45
Zoonart Jan 13 #46
RHMerriman Jan 13 #11
Zoonart Jan 13 #12
meadowlander Jan 13 #16
Downtown Hound Jan 13 #17
Grammy23 Jan 13 #18
LuvNewcastle Jan 13 #19
Chemisse Jan 13 #26
apcalc Jan 13 #20
brush Jan 13 #21
BigmanPigman Jan 13 #22
myohmy2 Jan 13 #23
RainCaster Jan 13 #24
Chemisse Jan 13 #27
duforsure Jan 13 #25
vercetti2021 Jan 13 #28
Chemisse Jan 13 #29
randr Jan 13 #30
Chickensoup Jan 13 #31
DinahMoeHum Jan 13 #32
Mr. Ected Jan 13 #33
GoCubsGo Jan 13 #34
N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 13 #35
elocs Jan 13 #37
Tribalceltic Jan 13 #38
shanny Jan 13 #39
mysteryowl Jan 13 #41
jmowreader Jan 13 #40
Claritie Pixie Jan 13 #42
UniteFightBack Jan 13 #43
Marcuse Jan 13 #44
Apollyonus Jan 13 #47

Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:22 AM

1. Twenty-five years in prison, not eligible for parole. Sentences for other offenses...

... (as in, money laundering, fraud, etc.) to be served CONSECUTIVELY, not concurrently.

For the money laundering, fraud, violation of emoluments clause, etc., there should also be asset forfeiture.

Keeping in mind he's 70, "broke and in jail for the rest of his life" is just about right.

restitutionally,
Bright

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 09:45 AM

36. As long as it's not a "country club" federal prison.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:29 AM

2. Is being drawn and quartered off the table?

Asking for a country.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:33 AM

8. I was going to suggest the same thing.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:36 AM

13. GMTA!

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:36 AM

14. Works for me.

The Saudi hit squad might be available.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:29 AM

3. He's never been in a dirty environment before.

What if he gets allergies and breaks out?

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:29 AM

4. The Russian thing is incredibly bad, however

taking those kids from their families really makes me sick and hurts my heart. I truly hope he gets what he deserves. No more, no less. I sound cruel, but there ya go.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:31 AM

5. My first thought would be to just shoot the fucker, but I couldn't advocate death for anyone...

So, maybe put him away in permanent "treatment" where he is constantly exposed to videos and electric shocks.

Be creative about those videos.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:31 AM

6. He should share a cell with his son

I think Donnie Jr would be a very whiny irritating cellmate.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:33 AM

7. Maybe Devil's Island could be refurbished...

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:34 AM

9. Make him compete in every future episode of "American Ninja Warrior" until he dies a natural death

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:34 AM

10. US Code is clear...

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; ....

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:38 AM

15. They fried the Rosenbergs for espionage...

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Not treason. So those who argue this is not treason because we are not at war...espionage may also carry the death penalty.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 03:35 PM

45. It's Rosenberg, not Rosenburg.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that even voting Rethug is an act of treason, but I can't see executing everyone who did.

Officeholders, on the other hand... I might consider.

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Response to clementine613 (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 03:50 PM

46. Made the change.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:35 AM

11. US Code includes the death penalty for treason and espionage.


US Code includes the death penalty for treason and espionage.

Seems appropriate.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:35 AM

12. Strip him and his criminal children of their citizenship...

And set them adrift in a dingy in the middle of the ocean. Go all Fletcher Christian on them.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:39 AM

16. 1. Seize all his assets and the assets of everyone in his family;

2. sanction him so that no banks can lend to him in the future;
3. ban him from all social media;
4. laser hair removal;
5. a job at McDonalds which he can do in between his
6. 130,000 hours distributing emergency supplies in disaster zones.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:43 AM

17. Life in a cell at one of his child detention centers

No books, no TV, no twitter, no Big Macs, and no music. Just him, a cell, a cold steel bed, and a blanket, staring at a wall for the rest of his life.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 12:48 AM

18. He is most likely guilty of so many things


(As are UDay and Qusay and Princess Daughter Dearest and hubby, Jared) that all of them should spend the rest of their lives in some kind of prison. With big beautiful walls! 😉 tRumpolini should die in prison and never walk free again. The kids, along with a bunch of their comrades in crime, need to know what loss of freedom feels like. Loss of privilege. It will be a swift, unpleasant fall for all of them, but richly deserved.

And the people rejoiced across the land and dancing in the streets commenced upon hearing the fate of the band of thugs and thieves. 💃🕺🏼💃🕺🏼💃🕺🏼💃

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:00 AM

19. Asset forfeiture and banishment

Let the Russians, or whoever, take care of him.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 08:43 AM

26. I doubt the Russians would want him

Although they might have use for a stable genius in Siberia.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:03 AM

20. Remember Julius and Ethel Rosenberg? No mercy was shown to them.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:22 AM

21. At first I was going to say death but that would be too easy.

I want trump to suffer and bereft of all his assets and pleasures for the rest of his natural life. And to shamed and know everyone in the country views him as a traitor.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:31 AM

22. I have thought about this a zillion times and I still stand by my first thought...

Chopping his head off or shooting him for treason would be great but too easy on him. I want him to suffer. Now this is the part where my imagination really takes off. I want him to suffer excruciating pain in every cell in his fat body until he dies. Oh, and I want him to live a really long life so he can suffer longer. People have already died due to him therefore he indirectly has killed people and that is worth at least a few years in prison (children at the border, Puerto Ricans who didn't get relief in time, etc).

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:32 AM

23. life...

...in prison and a very large fine for the damage he's done to our country...

...it's only fair...

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:42 AM

24. Life... without Twitter

Full asset forfeiture
Minimum 35 years with no possibility of early release
Normal penitentiary, not a country club place
Loss of all presidential benefits including security & health care

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 08:47 AM

27. Perfect.

Now let's see if the powers that be have the stomach for this.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 08:29 AM

25. Life without parole

And sent to a special built prison for him and his family near the border, then make them build a 8 ft deep , 2 ft. high wall for the rest of their lives across our southern border.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 08:47 AM

28. Execution

No mercy for being a traitor

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 08:53 AM

29. What about no punishment if he resigns?

I've heard that bandied about, although all agree Trump would not go for it.

I'm thoroughly sick of this 'all is forgiven once you're out of power' nonsense. If anyone must suffer consequences, it is Trump.

He was placed in the office by the Russians, he has given them American secrets, and he has acted on their behalf in all of his foreign policy decisions.

It really doesn't get any worse than that.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 09:12 AM

30. A pink suit and made to pick up trash

along our interstates for the rest of his life.
Americans would be passing by and showing their appreciation.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 09:16 AM

31. The absolutely best punishment

Even better than death for his crimes
is confiscate all his ill gotten wealth and his children. Both foreign and domestic.Leave them penniless.
Not allow them to the leave the country or fund raise by conning anyone. With trump narcissistic persona he will be in hell on earth
as a poor man.

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Response to Chickensoup (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 09:21 AM

32. +1000s

n/t

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 09:26 AM

33. I would like to see justice served, meaning a combination of most of the above

Seize assets, try and convict, execute per the statute.

We don't negotiate with terrorists, and we show no mercy to those who would willfully subvert our republic for personal gain at the expense of the American people.

This goes not only for Trump and his family, but each and every participant in this VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY. All must be punished to the maximum extent permitted under the law as a warning to future generations. Otherwise, we are simply a caricature of what we purport to be.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 09:36 AM

34. I am torn

I want him to get the worst punishment possible, and that is to spend what's left of his miserable fucking life in a tiny cell in ADX Florence, or in some NY State Prison. I want him to spend those days knowing that his three oldest spawn are also in prison, and that every last penny of their assets have been confiscated and sold off to pay for the money he has wasted over the past two years.

But, I also hate that precious resources will be wasted on keeping him alive, so I would not cry if he met the same fate as Mussolini Instead of hanging his and his brats' corpses from the nearest bridge, dangle them from the Statue of Liberty's torch.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 09:43 AM

35. Gotta agree with ya...

Read all and thought ok, that might not be bad but in my opinion you nailed it.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 10:42 AM

38. GITMO

For him , his family , the GOP and anyone that made $$ off of his failed presidency. Enhanced interrogation until we get to the bottom of the conspiracy
Total and complete restitution by asset forfeiture.
98.3% tax rate on any company that did business with him no matter how indirectly.

That's a start

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 11:58 AM

39. Also too stripped of all ill-gotten gains (i.e. everything) under RICO.

Die in jail, mofo.

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Response to shanny (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:38 PM

41. Yep, stripped of material assests.

That would crush him more than jail. Let's do both.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:36 PM

40. I'd be happy with five years in prison...

But only if total asset forfeiture for the Trumpís and Kushners is part of the sentence. They can live in a five-bedroom house in a liberal community and drive used Ford Tauruses to their jobs as Walmart shelf stockers.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:40 PM

42. Life in prison and the seizure of his assets. I want his name to be as valuable as dirt.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:40 PM

43. Not a big fan of the death penalty....except in such cases as this. nt

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:56 PM

44. I still believe in life imprisonment in an appropriate federal detention facility.

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Response to Marcuse (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:07 PM

47. Confiscate all his assets and release him in NYC.

 

Why spend money to house him?

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