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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:05 PM

So the next Democratic president can shutdown & bypass Congress for common sense gun control,

free health care for all Americans, a 25 dollar an hour federal minimum wage, 80% taxation on all income over one million individual and cutting defence budget in half etc, right?

Or is this yet again only a tactic that republicans are allowed to do to inflict harm on the US population as in Turtle not allowing Obama's SCOTUS choice a hearing and MF45 building his tax wasting white elephant racist vanity wall?

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Reply So the next Democratic president can shutdown & bypass Congress for common sense gun control, (Original post)
workinclasszero Jan 11 OP
Eliot Rosewater Jan 11 #1
Turbineguy Jan 11 #2
FakeNoose Jan 11 #4
Pope George Ringo II Jan 11 #3
workinclasszero Jan 11 #5
RockRaven Jan 11 #6
PoliticAverse Jan 11 #7
former9thward Jan 11 #8
handmade34 Jan 11 #9

Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:07 PM

1. I dont honestly see how we are ever the same country again.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:07 PM

2. You can only circumvent the U.S. Constitution

with permission from Putin. Everybody knows that!

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:11 PM

4. It only works when Pootie has kompromat

So ... does he have kompromat on any of the Democratic front-runners? Or any Dems at all?
I seriously doubt it.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:08 PM

3. Think of it as an "Enabling Executive Order."

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:15 PM

5. I'm sick and tired of the damn republicans getting away with this shit

while dems just complain about it, then have to live with the effects!

If the ****ing GOP can do it, so can we!!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:19 PM

6. Democrats need to start banging on about how they're gonna do gun control, health care, climate

reforms by this route, to scare Congressional GOPers and the courts into pushing back against Trump's move, if indeed he makes it.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:20 PM

7. Did you miss the shutdown wars between Bill Clinton and Newt? n/t

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:21 PM

8. Every President since Carter has issued National Emergency Declarations.

Most are still in effect.

According to the Federal Register, 58 national emergencies have been declared since the National Emergency Act of 1976 was signed into law by President Gerald Ford.

And 31 have been annually renewed and are currently still in effect, as listed in the Federal Register.

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/list-31-national-emergencies-effect-years/story?id=60294693

I doubt the next Democratic president will share your views on what should be declared a National Emergency.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:37 PM

9. Fall of the Roman Republic...

Edward Watts, professor of history at the University of California, San Diego, and author of "Mortal Republic: How Rome Fell into Tyranny," described the parallels and differences between the Roman and American republics....


"The thing that is particularly dangerous to look at are actions that, when they were done the first time, were seen as really aberrant and oddly sort of dangerous, that have become commonplace. Twenty-five years ago, shutting down the government for political brinkmanship was seen as absolutely crazy. It was someone no one would dare do. And now its routine.

"That's a sort of degeneration of norms. There's no law that says you can't do that. But the norms saying that that's something that is not acceptable have completely eroded. And now this is something that-it's just done as part of a process of political negotiation. It's almost become sort of a routine part of the system.

"I think that the law granting presidents the ability to assert emergency powers-it seems to me that this is a law that is incredibly permissive because there was a basic assumption that presidents would use it ways that were not for political gain, but were to actually address a problem that was an emergency.

"Like when President Carter used it to streamline action against Iran for taking hostages, or when President Bush used it in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Those were not for political purposes. They were to respond quickly to a problem that needed a quick response. And the law, it seems, could potentially be used in the way President Trump is talking about using it. The reason it hasn't been before is because there was a norm saying this is actually for a real purpose, a real emergency. In this context, I think if it's used, basically as a sort off-ramp for political stalemate, that opens up a precedent to misuse this law even worse in the future."


https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/01/11/america-rome-republic-lessons

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