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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:35 PM

'Baby's not breathing, baby is blue!': 911 call from birth at Hacienda Healthcare released

'Baby's not breathing, baby is blue!': 911 call from birth at Hacienda Healthcare released

On Dec. 29, a woman in a vegetative state gave birth at the facility located near 14th Street and Baseline Road.
Author: 12 News
Published: 9:24 AM MST January 11, 2019
Updated: 10:46 AM MST January 11, 2019
The 911 call from the birth at a Hacienda Healthcare facility in Phoenix was released Friday.

On Dec. 29, a woman in a vegetative state gave birth at the facility located near 14th Street and Baseline Road.

In the call audio, the female caller, identified as a nurse from the facility, frantically spoke with the operator as help was notified.

[link:https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/babys-not-breathing-baby-is-blue-911-call-from-birth-at-hacienda-healthcare-released/75-222b5ade-3bc1-40c2-9328-e8a3eabc0730|

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Reply 'Baby's not breathing, baby is blue!': 911 call from birth at Hacienda Healthcare released (Original post)
StarryNite Jan 11 OP
hlthe2b Jan 11 #1
panader0 Jan 11 #4
hlthe2b Jan 11 #5
canetoad Jan 11 #9
hlthe2b Jan 11 #10
canetoad Jan 11 #11
WillowTree Jan 11 #2
backabby-blue Jan 11 #6
WillowTree Jan 11 #8
backabby-blue Jan 11 #12
TexasBushwhacker Jan 11 #13
pnwmom Jan 11 #7
StarryNite Jan 11 #14
pnwmom Jan 11 #15
StarryNite Jan 11 #19
pnwmom Jan 11 #20
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 11 #3
Meowmee Jan 11 #16
pnwmom Jan 11 #17
yardwork Jan 11 #18
Meowmee Thursday #22
Meowmee Thursday #21
pnwmom Thursday #23
Meowmee Thursday #24

Response to StarryNite (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:54 PM

1. It tooks some googling to find out if the baby survived....

It DID and the parents of the woman say it will be well cared for. The mother is Native American and the tribe (San Carlos Apache Tribe of AZ) have indicated they intend to advocate for the family and for justice.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:17 PM

4. I'm curious if you learned why the young woman is in a vegetative state.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:30 PM

5. She has been there since a toddler with quadriplegia- and seizure disorder-27 years

Records obtained from Maricopa County Superior Court state the woman has been a resident of the facility run by Hacienda HealthCare for more than 27 years — nearly double the length of time that appeared in previous reports.

The patient, who has been identified as a 29-year-old Native American, has been under the care of the facility since she was between ages 2-3, according to the documents, which also state that the woman suffers from quadriplegia, recurrent pneumonia and a seizure disorder.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/woman-coma-gave-birth-had-005512482.html

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:21 PM

9. I read somewhere

That it was a near-death drowning accident 14 years ago.

On edit:

She had been a patient at Hacienda Healthcare for more than a decade after a near-drowning left her severely brain damaged.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-coma-baby-police-dna-test-hacienda-healthcare-phoenix-arizona-a8718771.html

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Response to canetoad (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:24 PM

10. The article I linked to states that other reports are erroneous. She's been there 27 years.

since they are based on records obtained from Maricopa County Superior Court, I would assume they are correct.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:26 PM

11. Thanks

While you were posting, I was editing to add link to what now appears to be a wrong report.

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Response to StarryNite (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:05 PM

2. It's a healthcare facility, for God's sake!

No one noticed that this 29 year old woman had stopped menstruating?

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Response to WillowTree (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:51 PM

6. Better yet, why not stop the cycle?

It's a whole lot easier to deal with hygiene issues if they would have just given her birth control to stop the cycle.

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Response to backabby-blue (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:18 PM

8. OK. Now my age is showing.

When I was on birth control, it didn't "stop the cycle", it just either prevented ovulation or implantation of the egg. There is a kind (or kinds) that prevents menses now? First of all, that doesn't sound like it would be healthy to me. But anyway, failing that, why would they put her on any kind of birth control when there shouldn't have been any way for her to become pregnant?

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Response to WillowTree (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:03 PM

12. Birth control is not just for birth control.

Yes, it stops the cycle. Women do it to avoid menses. The only reason to have a period is if you plan on getting pregnant. I know I use to take it on date nights.

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Response to backabby-blue (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:07 PM

13. Yup, or endometrial ablation n/t

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Response to WillowTree (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:07 PM

7. How could whoever was bathing her and cleaning her feeding tube not have noticed her pregnancy?

The baby was full term from other reports. So how could anyone caring for her not have noticed?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:42 PM

14. New clues on how Hacienda staff could have missed woman's pregnancy, why baby coded at birth


"The records show the patient received bowel treatment and care for years, and now, an inside source told us she had bowel obstruction surgery.

Valley gynecologist Dr. Greg Marchand said there's a common result from that kind of surgery.

“It is a surgery that classically can cause a lot of scar tissue,” Marchand said.

Several inside sources also told us over the past few months the patient had a "mass" on the side of her stomach.

Dr. Marchand said a pregnancy developing in that way is likely due to scar tissue.

“It could slightly change the direction of the uterus, for example if there was scar tissue on one side or the other, the uterus may tilt more in that direction,” he said.

As he continues to follow the case, he said while it's likely the pregnancy was on one side of her body due to her surgery, and may have looked like a "mass," there's no excuse for not knowing she was pregnant.

“I guess it could be mistaken for an abdominal tumor instead, but any tumor work-up at the beginning is going to require some kind of imaging, and that imaging is immediately going to give you the answer,” said Dr. Marchard."

[link:https://www.azfamily.com/news/investigations/hacienda_healthcare/new-clues-on-how-hacienda-staff-could-have-missed-woman/article_8bf3ab48-155f-11e9-99a6-c7ebec12a2a7.html|

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Response to StarryNite (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:57 PM

15. That doesn't explain it, as this doctor said. There was no excuse. GROWING FETUSES MOVE.

Last edited Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Once a woman is far enough along in a pregnancy, anyone can see the woman's belly rolling around and moving with the movements of the fetus inside her.

There is no way that someone bathed this woman for MONTHS and never noticed this movement. Tumors and scar tissue don't act like fetuses. They don't move. And they don't FEEL like tumors or scar tissue, either. When you push on parts of a fetus inside a mother, you can feel it move in response. Tumors and scars don't do that.

Also, in the last half of the pregnancy, there are frequent Braxton-Hicks contractions, where the whole uterus gets very hard. Those are said to be "practice" for labor contractions -- and anyone touching her could have felt the difference.

Here is a video of a 36 week fetus making its mother's belly move.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:02 PM

19. Personally I think some people there had to know...

and it was covered up.

But here is one doctor's explanation for nobody noticing any movement from the baby...from that same article...

"The court paperwork also lists phenobarbital as a medication the patient was on most of her life to control her seizures.

“Phenobarbital is a barbiturate. It is not known to cause any birth defects, but it can be very sedating for the baby,” he said.

Dr. Marchand said the sedative likely led to little fetal movement while the baby was inside the womb, and it also is likely the reason the emergency call came in for a baby who was coding when he was born.

“If a baby is sedated with anything, especially a barbiturate like phenobarbital, the baby could not want to do that and be very sleepy and not be able to breathe well,” he said."

[link:https://www.azfamily.com/news/investigations/hacienda_healthcare/new-clues-on-how-hacienda-staff-could-have-missed-woman/article_8bf3ab48-155f-11e9-99a6-c7ebec12a2a7.html|

Also,

Hacienda Healthcare CEO resigns after woman in vegetative state gives birth at Phoenix care facility
Hacienda Healthcare is at the center of a sexual assault investigation by Phoenix police after the woman in a vegetative state for years gave birth last month.
Author: 12 News

Bill Timmons, the CEO of Hacienda Healthcare, has resigned effective immediately after a woman in a vegetative state for years gave birth last month at the Phoenix care facility.

[link:https://www.12news.com/article/news/hacienda-healthcare-ceo-resigns-after-woman-in-vegetative-state-gives-birth-at-phoenix-care-facility/75-a7293154-e8d1-418b-83f0-1b2e339f4691|

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Response to StarryNite (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:29 PM

20. Poor baby! Now there is the risk of brain damage on top of everything else.

But I still don't see how a full term fetus could have been overlooked. There would have been some movement, just less than usual. And the belly would have grown to accommodate the fetus. Why would they have thought the woman's belly was getting "fat"? Based on food coming though a tube? How likely would that be?

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Response to StarryNite (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:08 PM

3. Stories like this should spur every parent to do some first aid you tubing and be prepared.

When your kids cyanotic it's not the time to educate yourself. It's an easy process. The rewards immeasurable.

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Response to StarryNite (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:09 PM

16. How

Did she become pregnant and how could no one notice this? Completely crazy. That is good the baby’s grandparents will care for her.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:49 PM

17. It's easy to understand how she became pregnant. It's UNBELIEVABLE that no one noticed

till the baby was being born. This was a full term pregnancy and someone was adjusting her food lines and bathing her. That person had to know.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:53 PM

18. Seems like the two things are probably connected.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:57 PM

22. Yes

Could be

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:57 PM

21. Well

So she was raped while in a vegetative state by someone who worked there or a visitor? Maybe am missing something here, I thought she was there in a coma for years. So that needs to be part of an investigation as well.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:37 PM

23. Yes, she was raped. Last I heard they were trying to get DNA samples from all the men

who worked there during that time.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:38 PM

24. Oh ok

Makes sense.

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