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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:49 PM

Exasperated Democrats try to rein in Ocasio-Cortez

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is already making enemies in the House Democratic Caucus — and some of its members are mounting an operation to bring the anti-establishment, democratic socialist with 2.2 million Twitter followers into the fold.

The effort, described by nearly 20 lawmakers and aides, is part carrot, part stick: Some lawmakers with ties to Ocasio-Cortez are hoping to coax her into using her star power to unite Democrats and turn her fire on Republicans. Others simultaneously warn Ocasio-Cortez is destined for a lonely, ineffectual career in Congress if she continues to treat her own party as the enemy.

“I’m sure Ms. Cortez means well, but there’s almost an outstanding rule: Don’t attack your own people,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.). “We just don’t need sniping in our Democratic Caucus.”

Incumbent Democrats are most annoyed by Ocasio-Cortez’s threat to back primary opponents against members of their ranks she deems too moderate. But their frustration goes beyond that: Democratic leaders are upset that she railed against their new set of House rules on Twitter the first week of the new Congress. Rank and file are peeved that there’s a grassroots movement to try to win her a top committee post they feel she doesn’t deserve.


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democrats-establisment-1093728

Note: I initially posted this article on LBN and have transferred the article to this forum at the request of the forum editors.

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kstewart33 Jan 11 OP
Autumn Jan 11 #1
JCanete Jan 11 #2
Palisade Jan 11 #25
George II Sunday #65
George II Saturday #59
maxsolomon Jan 11 #3
fleur-de-lisa Jan 11 #4
Autumn Jan 11 #6
Power 2 the People Jan 11 #18
allgood33 Jan 11 #5
ecstatic Jan 11 #55
EffieBlack Saturday #62
AlexSFCA Jan 11 #7
sarcasmo Jan 11 #11
Cuthbert Allgood Jan 11 #15
3_Limes Jan 11 #16
AlexSFCA Jan 11 #26
3_Limes Jan 11 #31
AlexSFCA Jan 11 #33
3_Limes Jan 11 #35
Blue_true Jan 11 #40
Blue_true Jan 11 #38
AlexSFCA Jan 11 #53
Blue_true Jan 11 #54
niyad Jan 11 #8
emulatorloo Jan 11 #14
DarthDem Jan 11 #27
HopeAgain Jan 11 #30
demmiblue Jan 11 #37
GoCubsGo Jan 11 #47
Squinch Jan 11 #9
bigtree Jan 11 #10
seaglass Jan 11 #12
JCanete Jan 11 #17
seaglass Jan 11 #19
tonedevil Jan 11 #39
Blue_true Jan 11 #43
tonedevil Jan 11 #44
Blue_true Jan 11 #45
JCanete Saturday #56
George II Saturday #60
JCanete Saturday #61
nini Jan 11 #36
BannonsLiver Saturday #57
nini Saturday #63
Cha Jan 11 #51
Gothmog Saturday #58
emulatorloo Jan 11 #13
shanny Jan 11 #20
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 11 #21
0rganism Jan 11 #22
Mariana Jan 11 #23
Palisade Jan 11 #24
George II Sunday #64
blogslut Jan 11 #28
spanone Jan 11 #29
Liberal In Texas Jan 11 #32
Gothmog Jan 11 #34
pwb Jan 11 #41
Vinca Jan 11 #42
peggysue2 Jan 11 #46
Takket Jan 11 #48
Blue_Tires Jan 11 #49
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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:52 PM

1. Good luck with reining her in

Not going to happen

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:56 PM

2. She railed against those rules for a good reason. Has anybody actually stood up to defend why we had

to have PayGo, or have they all just said, that was our compromise....compromise with WHO?


Methinks Emanual Cleaver should try to get himself on the map in more auspicious ways than this.

Also, who is this unnamed politician who is in lockstep with Cortez ideologically? I totally feel like I should take the paper's word for that one...

God the journalism in this country...

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Response to JCanete (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:23 PM

25. It was designed by conservatives to kneecap progressive measures

 

Anyone reflexively supporting it just because Pelosi does has a lot of thinking to do.

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Response to Palisade (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 09:57 AM

65. People like to throw out the big bad term "PayGo" without actually looking at what the rules...

....actually state.

I guess the three who voted against the rules, including one who was serving her first day in the House, know more than the 231 who voted in favor of them?

Remember this when some day some Democrats are bashed for "voting with the republicans". Don't be upset if their critics are reminded that those three voted along with the likes of Goehmert, Jordan, King, Collins of NY, etc.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:41 AM

59. It's a highly modified PayGo, with two caveats/relief valves. You should read the rules.

Cleaver doesn't need to get himself "on the map", he's an experienced and accomplished Representative, probably serving his last term. He just cares about the Democratic party more than some.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:57 PM

3. then stop taking shots at her, "regular dems".

who gives a fuck if she claps back at Joe Lieberman?

Hadassah probably laughed at her response.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:00 PM

4. "You cannot rein in Latinas. They rein you in."

Cristobal Alex ✔ @CristobalJAlex

Let me try and save folks some time here. You cannot rein in Latinas. They rein you in. #YearOfTheLatina #FutureIsLatina



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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:08 PM

6. As a Latina I can only say... That's the fucking truth!

Best comeback in the history of comebacks.


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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:04 PM

18. +1000

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:02 PM

5. Leave her alone. Give her some pointers and let her alone. She is the anti-Trump.

Only difference is she is literate.

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Response to allgood33 (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:22 PM

55. But they did give her a pointer. Not sure how many different ways it needs to be said:

STOP ATTACKING DEMOCRATS! Anyone who does that regularly will never go far and will always be thought of as divisive.

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Response to allgood33 (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:43 PM

62. The problem is that many of her supporters see any "pointer" as an "attack"

And while they are all too eager to swarm, attack and belittle anyone who offers a pointer, regardless how gently, they expect Ocasio-Cortez to be given free rein to say whatever she likes about anyone else with impunity.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:08 PM

7. they grossly underestimate her

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:21 PM

11. Corporate Democrats having rage issues over AOC is a wonderful thing.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:30 PM

15. This x1000

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:31 PM

16. What's a "corporate democrat"?

I must have missed the memo.

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Response to 3_Limes (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:28 PM

26. the ones who accept money from corporations

there are dems who don’t do that and the ones who do. Big difference. Some who do often become involuntary lobbysts.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:51 PM

31. Got it! Thanks.


But now that I understand, that leads me to a question. (Because no good deed goes unpunished.)

While I very much get the 'slippery slope' idea implicit in the label, isn't there an offsetting and also dangerous slope on the other side? Is it possible that making a purity test out of accepting corporate donations, and putting *all* support from corporate donors off-limits, puts Dem candidates and Dem organizations at a clear disadvantage?

I'm all for the high ground, but I'd also like to win a few elections. It seems at least potentially counterproductive to preemptively cut ourselves off from resources like that. Not to mention opening the door for lots of oppo deviltry, with thousands of Russian bots waiting to flood the zone with spam about "candidate X in bed with NRA front group and big pharma!!!!" every time a (D) comes up big in a poll.

Know what I mean?

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Response to 3_Limes (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:56 PM

33. there is

the way I see it: dems should not be accepting corporate money during primaries; general is different cause there may not be enough non-corporate money to offset the donor class (gop) advantage.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:05 PM

35. Sounds reasonable.

Thanks again!!

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Response to 3_Limes (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:24 PM

40. I made donations to democrats when I worked in a corporation.

If you list employed or self employed, you have to name the entity that you get your living from. So, a secretary of a large corporation is a corporate donor, because he or she has to certify that she or he works for the corporation. The effort to brand people is offensive. Fortunately good rank and file democrats ignore the idiocy and contribute.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:19 PM

38. People that work for a corporation have to list their association it when contributing to a

candidate. So if all of the 1-10 year employees of Excon-Mobil contributed to democrats and NO executives did, by your definition democrats that get the donations would be corporate democrats. Really way off the mark and counterproductive.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:25 PM

53. there is no issue with individual employees donating

directly to candidate’s campaign. This is different from super PACs where corporations themselves contribute not just individual employees. PACs total amount of money far exceed individual donations therefore they have immense influence on candidates in a way no single individual employee will ever have. This is very simple: every candidate’s campaign has a website using which individuals can contribute directly not through some super pacs. This means candidates pledge that they won’t accept donations any other way. It’s fine if you have a thousand of employees of a huge conglomerate donatate individually. The do not donate as employees, they donate as individuals . The only reason they discolse their employer is because it is required.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:18 PM

54. Candidates don't control PACs and can't legally communicate with them.

So, a person that has no control over an entity that accepts corporate money is a corporate democrat?

Bernie now has a PAC aligned with him, my guess is it WILL accept corporate money and money from really rich people. Does that make Bernie a corporate democrat, or will the goalposts be moved and made wider for him?

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:10 PM

8. trying to sow dissension, politico??

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Response to niyad (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:28 PM

14. Yup, that's how they operate. Clickbait headline, lots of "anonymous sources"

“Democrats in Disarray!1!1”

Been on DU for a while, seen DU freak out over a Politico article. Then a few days later we find out the article wasn’t accurate

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Response to niyad (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:33 PM

27. Always


That's the point of approximately 97 to 98% of their "news" stories.

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Response to niyad (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:48 PM

30. Look at the threads on here - it's working

AOC is the source of much pearl clutching and handwringing on here already.

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Response to niyad (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:09 PM

37. Yep. n/t

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Response to niyad (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:11 PM

47. As usual. nt

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:11 PM

9. Oh, look. Another "DEMOCRATS IN DISSARAAAAAAY" article,

based on one mild comment from one congress person. And, oh look. Its from politico. Shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:19 PM

10. I'm glad they're exasperated

...AOC doesn't appear exasperated.


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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:21 PM

12. Sorry, I agree that she needs allies if she wants to be effective. And by effective I mean

sponsoring and passing legislation, not winning a Twitter battle.

Learn the Bernie lesson.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:34 PM

17. The Bernie lesson? She got elected following the Bernie lesson. She needs to have public

support for the policies she proposes and advocates for and people to have her and our own backs when she stands up to bad legislation. That takes communicating with us proles. Sorry.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:07 PM

19. Bernie was an ineffective legislator, had almost no friends in Congress prior to his 2016 run.

Spent a lot of his time, and still does, attacking Democrats. He lost the primary in 2016 and will lose again if he runs for Pres. AOC seems bright and more positive than Bernie ever did, it can only help her to become effective and more powerful by cultivating allies.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:23 PM

39. Amusing that you put legislator...

in the past tense, Senator Sanders just won another 6 year term. That isn't was a legislator that is a legislator. You may find him to be an ineffective legislator, but Vermont seems to be satisfied and that counts more.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:31 PM

43. Let Bernie go to Virginia, Michigan, Illinois, New York or even California and try to win.

Bernie got beaten badly in diverse states in 2016. Winning in Vermont is easy for him, but so is it for Leahy.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:52 PM

44. I don't know what you are going on about with all that.

You said that Senator Sanders was an ineffective legislator. I disagree with the ineffective part, but my real point was that he is a legislator not was a legislator. I don't care where else he can win or not, it is my deepest hope that he stay in the Senate and not try to run for President any more.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:59 PM

45. Bernie has been in Washington for more than 2 decades.

He was in the House for a long time, like the other poster pointed out (it was not me), he was a relatively ineffective gadfly. If you liked sound and fury, then maybe Bernie was the man, if you wanted progress, not so much.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:17 AM

56. no, you don't understand the dynamic in Washington. You think liberal legislation can

simply get passed if you know how to be chummy with the other legislators...that's as disneyland as you can get. There is some legislation that can't even get considered unless the public is beating down the door. That's because the forces that control Washington are SOO much louder.

If you think it was simply Sanders poor legislative skills that have stood in the way of his progressive agenda, then wehre the fuck is that progressive agenda as meted out by the "professionals"? Why couldn't the real solid legislators get the good stuff even if Bernie sucked too bad to do so?

Yeah, because your premise is absurd.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #56)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:45 AM

60. Perhaps the real good solid legislators (and their constituents) don't consider that stuff "good"?

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Response to George II (Reply #60)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:32 PM

61. yes, that was one of the options in my presentation. That's potentially the fucking problem,

and in my opinion is hardly a good look.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:08 PM

36. I hate the twitter battles

HATE it.. from any of them. It's childish IMHO.

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Response to nini (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:27 AM

57. That's a bit of a problem imo

That’s all the media will focus on. How the sausage is made is of no interest to them. So she risks being known more for that than any future legislative accomplishments. I enjoy some of it, but scratch my head on others. Like why is she responding to Ed Fucking Rollins? The man is a relic and a hack looking for attention. Pick your battles.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #57)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:47 PM

63. Pick your battles indeed

Half of those fools aren't worth the effort.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:49 PM

51. Exactly, seaglass.. Everyone needs allies

in the House and Senate if they want to get things accomplished.

Twitter doesn't cut it.

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Response to Cha (Reply #51)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:02 AM

58. It is hard to get legislation passed without allies

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:25 PM

13. Politico likes to stir the pot with "Democrats in Disarray" nonsense

Click-bait headlines and lots of “anonymous” sources.

I read Politico with a big ole boulder of salt.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:20 PM

20. Politico w/their Ds in Disarray bullshit...again.

Also too: waving their arms about those darn radicals. Nice try!

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:21 PM

21. Politico, trying to show conflict where there isn't.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:30 PM

22. ooh exasperated! bring forth the fainting couches!

the Democratic party has a left wing. now that left wing has some vocal representation. how sad for some.

what's particularly rich is this bit from one of the congresscritters from my home state of Oregon:
“She’s new here, feeling her way around,” added Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.). “She doesn’t understand how the place works yet.”

this is coming from one of the Democrats who voted against Rep. Pelosi becoming speaker.
https://www.opb.org/news/article/nancy-pelosi-votes-against-kurt-schrader-oregon/
He argued that he’s not trying to undermine Democratic policy goals on health care, the economy and other issues.
“We’re just differing on how to get there,” he said in a telephone interview with OPB. “Some people want to put their faith back in Ms. Pelosi and others of us feel very strongly on the other side that it’s time to move on and reform the process. I see no changes coming from her in the way we’re going to be running things.”

go ahead, read the OPB article. seems like some OREGON DEMOCRATS had serious issues with his vote, maybe even rising to the level of "exasperation", but i don't remember a focused smear campaign against Rep. Schrader playing out the way this anti-AOC thing has.

i find myself wondering whether it comes down to racism, sexism or a spicy mix of both...

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:47 PM

23. Both, I think, with a lot of ageism thrown in for good measure. nt.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:22 PM

24. There are people on here that would have you believe that AOC is attacking dems

 

Meanwhile, here are dozens of anonymous house dems coming together to "poop" on AOC. Ponderous.

She's unstoppable. Get on board or go away.

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Response to Palisade (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 09:50 AM

64. Who are you telling to "go away"? Isn't that what you're objecting to from others...

....regarding Cortez?

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:34 PM

28. ...

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:36 PM

29. pfffft

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 04:52 PM

32. Just leave her alone, don't be idiots.

The righties hate her, this is a good thing lol.

I think she is great.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:03 PM

34. Great article

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:25 PM

41. And overjoyed democrats give her the reins.

Like me.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:26 PM

42. Ummm . . . isn't Cleaver attacking HER?

They should leave the newbies alone to find their way. If the people were put off by AOC she wouldn't have a following in the millions. The old guard needs to lighten up.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:08 PM

46. All this nonsense about Ocasio-Cortez is merely . . .

playing into the alt-right's/Trumper game: Ooooooo, look at the 'civil war' within the Democratic Party.

She'll learn the ropes. Or she won't. Why give the Right a talking point? If they truly hate her, find her annoying? That's not a bad thing. But these continuous articles that stir up shit do not benefit the Democratic Party.

Because that's the point: divide and conquer.

We've seen this before.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:16 PM

48. i rather like that she is holding Dems' feet to the fire on things like Climate Change

A lot of her statements are basically "put up, shut up, or make room for someone that will put up".

The GOP has been in control far too long and we have lost precious years. Change needs to be large scale, and near future.

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:21 PM

49. Exasperated hot take artists are just itching to play up internal Dem strife

and it doesn't matter whether it's real or perceived...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:42 PM

50. You nailed it n/t

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Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:52 PM

52. Leave her the fuck alone

You do more damage by fighting her. She has the youth and the energy to drive the Democratic Party. Embrace her. She’s fever fending off attacks from the right in ways the Dems have not in recent years. Learn from her so perhaps she’ll learn from the old timers. Find a middle ground or just the fuck out of her way.

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