HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Sanders' 2020 Ambitions M...

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:37 AM

Sanders' 2020 Ambitions May Be On Shaky Ground Amid Allegations

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/sanders-ambitions-may-be-on-shaky-ground

NEW YORK (AP) — Allies of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are rallying behind the embattled presidential prospect, even as they reluctantly begin to ponder a painful possibility: a 2020 presidential field without him.


The 77-year-old self-described democratic socialist is the most prominent presidential contender to face a serious setback in the nascent 2020 campaign season. He’s been forced to confront a series of reports detailing allegations of sexual harassment of women by male staffers when he ran for president in 2016.

Sanders’ loyalists fully expect him to launch a second campaign in the coming weeks. And his broad network of die-hard supporters is hosting hundreds of events across the nation this weekend encouraging him to run.

But the persistent allegations put Sanders in an unenviable political position in the early days of a presidential contest playing out in a #MeToo era that’s offered little mercy for those associated with allegations of sexual harassment. While his Democratic competitors tour crucial states and scope out potential campaign headquarters, Sanders spent Thursday apologizing for the behavior of a handful of his 2016 staffers and looking for a new ones to run his 2020 operation should he enter the race.

Some Sanders allies expressed shaken confidence in the political future of the man who has reshaped Democratic politics in recent years and almost single-handed brought liberal priorities like “Medicare for all” and free college education into the party’s mainstream.

“If he doesn’t run, there’s a massive void in this country,” said RoseAnn DeMoro, an activist and former executive director of the National Nurses United union, who reiterated her support for Sanders. “The passion in that base goes away. That base evaporates. It doesn’t go to someone else. There would be a void so deep it would go to (President Donald) Trump, I suspect.”



Sid

99 replies, 1476 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 99 replies Author Time Post
Reply Sanders' 2020 Ambitions May Be On Shaky Ground Amid Allegations (Original post)
SidDithers Jan 11 OP
NurseJackie Jan 11 #1
WeekiWater Jan 11 #2
NurseJackie Jan 11 #4
democratisphere Jan 11 #6
angrychair Jan 11 #11
R B Garr Jan 11 #14
NurseJackie Jan 11 #15
angrychair Jan 11 #23
NurseJackie Jan 11 #24
R B Garr Jan 11 #28
angrychair Jan 11 #17
mcar Jan 11 #21
apcalc Jan 11 #65
LanternWaste Jan 11 #74
StevieM Saturday #93
Joe941 Jan 11 #3
KPN Jan 11 #38
stonecutter357 Jan 11 #5
angrychair Jan 11 #7
SidDithers Jan 11 #10
angrychair Jan 11 #13
ismnotwasm Jan 11 #49
LanternWaste Jan 11 #76
angrychair Jan 11 #85
Eliot Rosewater Jan 11 #58
R B Garr Jan 11 #12
angrychair Jan 11 #16
R B Garr Jan 11 #19
angrychair Jan 11 #25
R B Garr Jan 11 #30
angrychair Jan 11 #33
R B Garr Jan 11 #34
pamdb Jan 11 #8
angrychair Jan 11 #9
Eliot Rosewater Jan 11 #60
Hekate Jan 11 #18
JCanete Jan 11 #29
Hekate Jan 11 #31
JCanete Jan 11 #40
Hekate Jan 11 #45
JCanete Jan 11 #48
Hekate Jan 11 #55
JCanete Jan 11 #59
emulatorloo Jan 11 #80
JCanete Jan 11 #81
emulatorloo Jan 11 #82
R B Garr Saturday #87
Eliot Rosewater Jan 11 #61
Hekate Jan 11 #83
KPN Jan 11 #44
emulatorloo Jan 11 #78
mcar Jan 11 #20
R B Garr Jan 11 #32
mcar Jan 11 #35
LexVegas Jan 11 #22
JCanete Jan 11 #27
SidDithers Jan 11 #42
Eliot Rosewater Jan 11 #62
JCanete Jan 11 #26
mcar Jan 11 #36
JCanete Jan 11 #39
R B Garr Jan 11 #46
JCanete Jan 11 #51
R B Garr Jan 11 #54
JCanete Jan 11 #63
R B Garr Jan 11 #67
JCanete Jan 11 #68
R B Garr Jan 11 #70
KPN Jan 11 #47
JCanete Jan 11 #53
KPN Jan 11 #64
JCanete Jan 11 #66
KPN Jan 11 #69
JCanete Jan 11 #73
KPN Jan 11 #77
JCanete Jan 11 #79
Gothmog Saturday #91
KPN Jan 11 #37
Joe941 Jan 11 #41
KPN Jan 11 #50
R B Garr Jan 11 #57
Victor_c3 Jan 11 #43
KPN Jan 11 #52
Hassin Bin Sober Jan 11 #71
MrsCoffee Jan 11 #75
CentralMass Jan 11 #56
emulatorloo Saturday #88
R B Garr Saturday #89
Me. Jan 11 #72
Cha Saturday #95
Me. Saturday #96
Cha Saturday #97
Me. Saturday #98
Cha Saturday #99
Power 2 the People Jan 11 #84
R B Garr Saturday #86
Gothmog Saturday #90
Cha Saturday #94
Scurrilous Saturday #92

Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:38 AM

1. That's best for everyone concerned. He should just finish his term and retire. I'm sure...

That's best for everyone concerned. He should just finish his term and retire. I'm sure that his current wife, Jane, would approve of that decision as well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:42 AM

2. As the person who did his taxes for some time.....

She would probably breath a sigh of relief. It might also take eyes off of the family payouts. Numerous reasons it's in a lot of peoples best interests.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to WeekiWater (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:46 AM

4. I wonder which one of their houses will become their primary residence?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:55 AM

6. Agreed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:06 AM

11. Do you share the same stance for Clinton?

A senior adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign who was accused of repeatedly sexually harassing a young subordinate was kept on the campaign at Mrs. Clinton’s request, according to four people familiar with what took place.


The woman’s experience and the reaction to it have not been previously reported. Until now, former Clinton associates were unwilling to discuss the events for publication.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-chose-to-shield-a-top-adviser-accused-of-harassment-in-2008.amp.html

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:24 AM

14. No more double standards and false equivalencies.

Bernie’s staff is alleging pervasive behavior, not just one guy he knew. We could see it manifest in the abuse of Clinton, so it stands to reason that it was internalized in his campaign.

It’s What about Bernie now, no more What about Hillary. No more double standards where only female politicians are responsible for their staff but Bernie gets a pass.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R B Garr (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:28 AM

15. I'm so sick of double-standards.

It’s What about Bernie now, no more What about Hillary. No more double standards where only female politicians are responsible for their staff but Bernie gets a pass.
I'm so sick of double-standards. All I'm saying is that we simply don't have the luxury of accepting double-standards (or no-standards) when it comes to politicians accepting responsibility. I think that's a reasonable expectation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NurseJackie (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

23. I agree

If Sanders is guilty of something or failed to hold himself to his own standards than he should be held accountable.
I actually said as much already.
That article is from a legitimate source and is exactly a year old with details to a story that did not come to light until after the rise of the #metoo movement.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:47 AM

24. ...


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NurseJackie (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:51 AM

28. Yes, it's a totally reasonable expectation, especially

when you consider that this was all happening in 2016 while we were watching the most vile treatment of our female candidate by someone who set himself apart as s moral authority. Smh.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R B Garr (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:35 AM

17. "No more double standards"

Could not agree more. If Sanders did something unethical or immoral or illegal he should be held accountable to the standards he set for himself and others as well as the law. I suggest you read that article before you brush it off. We should hold all our politicians to the same standards of conduct.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R B Garr (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:40 AM

21. Thank you

I'm already tired of whataboutism.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:01 PM

65. Part of his ability to stay was that he receive counseling.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:40 PM

74. Is seven times not yet enough to keep pulling the same false-equivalency?

Or is the number simply irrelevant, and it's merely your go-to bumper-sticker counter?

'cause saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make the equivalency any less false to a rational mind...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:28 PM

93. It is sad that the NT Times chose to be so dishonest in their reporting. Here is the truth:

Hillary set up a method of dealing with these potential situations involving sexual harassment at the start of 2007. It called for her to take direct responsibility for handling these situations if they were to arise.

When HRC found out about a much less severe situation, she immediately took action. The staffer hadn't forcibly kissed her, or asked her for sex, or pressured her. He didn't have the official power to hire or fire her. But he did place his hands on her shoulders and he did send her some suggestive, if not explicit, emails.

Hillary took action. She listened to the staffer. She believed her. She transferred her to a different position, one where she thrived and built her future career from. The offender was suspended for 5 weeks, demoted, had his salary cut and was ordered to go for sexual harassment counseling. Given the details of the story, it has to be said that HRC exceeded the standards of 2017.

Of course, that didn't stop the media from claiming that she "shielded" the offender, or that she "overrode" her campaign manager--as if the campaign manager, rather than the candidate is supposed to be the final authority. Can you imagine how people would have reacted if the campaign manager made the decision and Hillary said that she simply trusted her judgement and her right to make the call? People would have excoriated her for not taking personal responsibility for making the decision, or thinking it was important enough to get involved and be the one who made the call.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:46 AM

3. Don't worry this is a nothing burger. Its a hit piece. Bernie is fine.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Joe941 (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:25 AM

38. Yup. It's also an intentional hatchet job post in itself -- it's obvious just by

reading the TPM article. The post is misleading and a false presentation of the article. Take a look.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:51 AM

5. Good !

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:57 AM

7. He didn't sexually assault anyone

A small number of people that worked for his campaign did.
To be clear, as I’ve stated many times, I do not want Sanders to run for President in 2020. It’s up to his respective constituents with regard to Senate. I also don’t want Biden or Clinton. I want new names and fresh perspectives. I do want Clinton, Sanders and Biden involved in Democratic politics for years and years to come.

I do not want Sanders getting railroaded about actions he did not do nor had any knowledge about at the time.
The man has been a strong Democratic ally for decades. He has caucused with Democrats his entire political career and been the champion of the marginalized since his first political speech.
Has he had missteps and misstatements along the way? Sure. Most political figures do.

It would be a mistake to turn this story into their own “pizzeria of child slaves in the basement of a place that has no basement” story.

If it turns out that Sanders knew about it and covered it up or knew about it and ignored it, that is one thing but it’s hardly logical to blame him personally for the actions of a small group of people in a otherwise large national campaign.
Do you have as much concern about the story of Clinton covering for a staffer accused of sexually harassing subordinates?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-chose-to-shield-a-top-adviser-accused-of-harassment-in-2008.amp.html

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:00 AM

10. Nobody has accused Sanders of assaulting anyone...

but love the whattabout Clinton defense.



Sid

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:22 AM

13. Not a defense

It’s to see if all those making innuendos and backhanded remarks hold everyone to the same standards.

Sorry to be that person Sid but the hate for Sanders by some here is very well documented. Sanders has been accused of everything from misogyny to being anti-Semitic (despite him being Jewish). There were literally an OP with links to neo-nazi sites about Sanders during the primaries.

To be clear, again, I do not want him to run for President ever again and I happily campaigned and voted for Clinton in 2016.

My point was everyone makes mistakes and we need to get off this stuff and move on from 2016 and focus on the very real problem in from of us.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:44 AM

49. Did Bernie identify the persons involved and make them go to counseling?

I think Hillary should have fired his ass.


But she did not turn a blind eye and pretend it wasn’t happening

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:43 PM

76. I think that's merely an excuse you're using.

"It’s to see if all those making innuendos and backhanded remarks hold everyone to the same standards. .."

I think that's merely an excuse you're using.

You simply appear either unable or unwilling to judge this on its own merits without evoking "what about...?"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LanternWaste (Reply #76)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:41 PM

85. No, hardly

I’ve been a rather fair arbitrator over the years.
I’ve been more than unequivocal in this OP and elsewhere, if Sanders did anything wrong he should be held accountable.

That said, conversations like this typically are meant to mud sling on Sanders and stir up 2016 primary resentment. People have no problems posting these type of articles but would rain death on anyone if they were to actually post the article I referenced about new revelations about the 2008 Clinton campaign. The issues with both campaigns are similar in nature. One is fair game and one is not.

That said, I’m tired of endless Sanders/Clinton debates. We need to focus on actual problems in front of us right now with trump et al.

Whatever issues there are with Sanders or whoever else should play out how they play out. We have far more important issues to deal with.

We should focus on trump and the republicans in the Senate.
Stop finding ways to get digs in on each other. I’m not participating in these endless and pointless conversations anymore. We are only hurting ourselves in the long run.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:56 AM

58. Whataboutism is what we expect when someone admits they do not care

what their team does, no matter what they do they are good with it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:17 AM

12. We could see the abuse of Clinton from his campaign, so

it’s not surprising that the same characteristics were also internalized in his own campaign. It was very evident what the ethos of the campaign was and one reporter even called some of them Bros in order to highlight the deep chauvinistic tendencies. All the articles about that look to be very accurate, and something we could see for ourselves.

There was a $30,000 payout over an abuse allegation—how laughable that you compare actual events with a “pizzeria” story. No more of these false equivalencies.

If you present yourself as a moral solution or superior, then everything said about this being a deterrent for him are accurate. Everything so far says he was aware of these events.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R B Garr (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:30 AM

16. As I stated

If he was aware and did nothing than that is different.
You yourself make it sound like he likely did know and that had to have acted on it because they paid her a settlement. Hopefully they held the man in question accountable as well.

My points were very clear.

So this story that came out about Clinton holding onto a faith advisor after complaints of sexual harassment in 2008. Do you maintain the same standards?

The woman’s experience and the reaction to it have not been previously reported. Until now, former Clinton associates were unwilling to discuss the events for publication.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-chose-to-shield-a-top-adviser-accused-of-harassment-in-2008.html


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:38 AM

19. It's a total false equivalency. It's just an attempt to

brush off the trouble that Sanders finds himself in by clinging to something something about Clinton. There is a letter about Sanders campaign from female staffers, it’s not about one guy he knew. We could see the behavior manifest in the abuse of Clinton.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R B Garr (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:48 AM

25. Fine

I never brushed it off. I’ve repeatedly stated if he did wrong he should be held accountable.

The point is that if we are going to hold political figures to standards than it should be the same standards.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:56 AM

30. The standard applied to Sanders so far is WhataboutHillary.

That’s not a standard at all. It’s an excuse to say that he is exempt from the same standards.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R B Garr (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:02 AM

33. What?!?

I don’t know how more clear I could be:

If Sanders did something wrong he should be held accountable.

Not sure how much more clear I can make that. I’ve said it at least a half dozen times already.

That said, we should hold all our politicians, regardless of their last name or political party, to the same standards.

Not sure what is controversial about that...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to angrychair (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:13 AM

34. The obvious omission is that Bernie has been exempt

from those same standards, but it doesn’t sound like it applies to you.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:58 AM

8. sanders et al

I do not want Sanders, (and we voted for him in the michigan primary in 2016) I do not want
Warren, I do not want Biden-although he would be my favorite if I had to pick. I do not want someone older than me and I'm 67. NO to Kristen Gillebrand (I will never forgive her for Al Franken) even though she is not old.

There are plenty of other democrats out there to choose from.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pamdb (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:00 AM

9. +10000000000. N/T

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pamdb (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:58 AM

60. Yeah, I dont have to say I dont want Sanders, I am a democrat so it goes without saying

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:36 AM

18. The last paragraph is absolutely chilling. The allegiance goes to TRUMP? What the ever-loving hell?

"If he doesn't run, there's a massive void in this country... The passion in that base goes away. That base evaporates. It doesn't go to someone else. There would be a void so deep it would go to Trump, I suspect."

What kind of "void" is in their brains?

Demagogues to the right of me, demagogues to the left of me, into the valley of sheer idiocy rode my country.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hekate (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:52 AM

29. they think that Sanders will inspire middle Americans...say those voters who were pulled


to vote for Sanders, but then still ended up voting for Clinton. I don't think this is them suggesting the left won't come out for a democrat...but I don't know that particular speaker.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:59 AM

31. Honestly, I hope she is speaking only for herself--but she's a union leader and activist...

Her statements are beyond appalling, especially given the wreckage we are living through.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hekate (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:29 AM

40. Its her belief, and no matter what happens I hope she's wrong...but what exactly is appaling?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:39 AM

45. Really, JCanete? We're discussing her threat to vote for Trump if she can't have Sanders...

...and you ask what I find appalling about that? Actually, her threat that a lot of other Sanders supporters as well as herself will switch their allegiance to the Mad King -- because of the massive gaping "void" Sanders' non-candidacy would leave. Doesn't that make you wonder if the void is in their brains?

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch.

Please proceed, JCanete. Please proceed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hekate (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:44 AM

48. what? you interpreted that. Where did she say that? That isn't how I interpreted it at all. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:50 AM

55. Quote here

"If he doesn't run, there's a massive void in this country... The passion in that base goes away. That base evaporates. It doesn't go to someone else. There would be a void so deep it would go to Trump, I suspect."

What does that mean to you?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hekate (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:57 AM

59. well you're right in part. She certainly doesn't speak for herself and suggest she won't vote for


the democratic nominee. She does seem to suspect that this whole base, whether right-leaning or on the progressive end of things would possibly abstain, but I don't think when she says "it would go to Trump" she's suggesting the base would go to trump. She's suggesting the election would. That's why she said first "it doesn't go to someone else."

that said, she sells progressives way too short. Sanders supporters came out for Clinton, and this time around I suspect there would be even less holdouts even if they had to "hold their nose." As to the cross-over appeal, well, I hope she's wrong there too. These people should mostly have buyers remorse at this point.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:59 PM

80. You are right, and she doesn't have a good track record with her predictions

I posted an article below from when she predicted Trump would bring us single payer.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to emulatorloo (Reply #80)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:00 PM

81. what? You mean directly via trump or as a reaction? If the former that's pretty nutty. If the latter


that verdict is still out I guess.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #81)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:01 PM

82. Directly via Trump. "The one I'm counting on the most is Trump"

Hang on I will get you a link and quote.

Here you go:


Head of nurses union 'counting on' Trump for single-payer system
By CARLA MARINUCCI 01/05/2017 10:04 PM EST

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2017/01/political-powerful-nurses-union-head-im-counting-on-trump-for-real-health-care-reform-108511

<snip>

OAKLAND — As Washington grapples with health care policy again, the head of the 185,000-member National Nurses United is turning her attention to a seemingly unlikely advocate for a single-payer system. "The one I’m counting on the most is Trump,” RoseAnn DeMoro said,

DeMoro, who serves as executive director of both the Oakland-based National Nurses United and the California Nurses Association, told POLITICO California on Thursday that she is “disgusted” with Democrats like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and believes that the president-elect may actually get action.

“He’s a businessman, he has an international perspective — and his wife comes from a country where they have single payer,’’ said DeMoro, who also is an AFL-CIO national vice president and executive board member. “I think that Donald Trump is not about either party; he’s about something very different. He’s the one who can actually rise above this and do what’s right, and he knows as a businessman, it’s the most cost effective,’’ she said.

And, she noted, Trump already has signaled to GOP party leaders that he’s willing to buck them on issues like ethics and the TransPacific Partnership.

<much more at link>

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to emulatorloo (Reply #82)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:54 PM

87. WOW! Great find, emulatorloo! There she is quoted saying

-she is disgusted with Democrats...
-Trump is the one she is counting on...
-Melania comes from a country with single payer...LOL, what an inane comment. WTF!

I’ve read comments in the comments sections of various California state publications for awhile now, and they were very cynical about her. Now I see why they were cautious, This is great find. She needs to apologize for her comments about Trump considering what a lunatic he is—and shouldn’t be taken seriously until she does so.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hekate (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:59 AM

61. Amazing, isnt it. I know, lets keep pretending she is the only one .

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:07 PM

83. Thanks for getting it

I'm amazed at the responses -- let's pretend she didn't really say what she said.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hekate (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:33 AM

44. Ummm ... chilling? Lol. One, look at the source. RoseAnn DeMoro is just another Hoffa

(self- serving). She's got a pretty good rap sheet against her. And two, do you really think people who supported Bernie Sanders in 2016 largely because of what he genuinely promotes (Medicare for All, free college education, a fair playing field economically, etc.) are going to vote for the Con-Man in 2020? Ain't gonna happen -- false or at least illogical hysteria.

Geesh.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hekate (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:53 PM

78. Well, consider the source. DeMoro thought Trump would bring us single payer

Head of nurses union 'counting on' Trump for single-payer system
By CARLA MARINUCCI 01/05/2017 10:04 PM EST

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2017/01/political-powerful-nurses-union-head-im-counting-on-trump-for-real-health-care-reform-108511

<snip>

OAKLAND — As Washington grapples with health care policy again, the head of the 185,000-member National Nurses United is turning her attention to a seemingly unlikely advocate for a single-payer system. "The one I’m counting on the most is Trump,” RoseAnn DeMoro said,

DeMoro, who serves as executive director of both the Oakland-based National Nurses United and the California Nurses Association, told POLITICO California on Thursday that she is “disgusted” with Democrats like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and believes that the president-elect may actually get action.

“He’s a businessman, he has an international perspective — and his wife comes from a country where they have single payer,’’ said DeMoro, who also is an AFL-CIO national vice president and executive board member. “I think that Donald Trump is not about either party; he’s about something very different. He’s the one who can actually rise above this and do what’s right, and he knows as a businessman, it’s the most cost effective,’’ she said.

<much more at link>

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:40 AM

20. Hmmm (bold mine)

“If he doesn’t run, there’s a massive void in this country,” said RoseAnn DeMoro, an activist and former executive director of the National Nurses United union, who reiterated her support for Sanders. “The passion in that base goes away. That base evaporates. It doesn’t go to someone else. There would be a void so deep it would go to (President Donald) Trump, I suspect.”


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mcar (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:59 AM

32. Yes, that reveals a lot about that mindset. Can't figure

out why they need the Democratic platform so much when Trump is such a viable option. Makes no sense, but.....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R B Garr (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:14 AM

35. It's obviously not about policies or values

Since Democratic and Republican values and ideas are diametrically opposite. Guess it's not about income inequality either. Or Wall Street. Or free college, etc.*

*For those who claim to be progressive but would, as the Sanders supporter says, turn to Trump.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

22. A panelist on MSNBC said Sanders was finished as a viable contender.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LexVegas (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:50 AM

27. weird that a panelist at msnbc would say that. must make it true. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LexVegas (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:31 AM

42. Hope so...



Sid

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:59 AM

62. For the survival of America, I agree.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:50 AM

26. oh jesus....something happened in his campaign and they are nearly making it him that did it.


"amid allegations"....could they be more disingenuous? That has hit piece all over it.
Clinton's campaign also had problems. Also This is also a new era where people are finally being heard when they say something that regards their personal experiences with sexual harassment, so you can't easily look to past campaigns as a comparison.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:15 AM

36. Whataboutism

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mcar (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:26 AM

39. no its not. its about the framing of the article. I'm not trying to say Sanders shouldn't own


what happens in his campaign, but you apparently need it to be whataboutism. That's the goto.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:42 AM

46. No. It's right there in your own post. What about Hillary.

I don’t get the need to deny what has already been written. It’s right there in your post.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R B Garr (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:47 AM

51. that wasn't the fucking point. The point was that this is a reality that we are facing as a nation

and need to do better on, but also, that the framing of the article(the title) is intended to use an issue that is unfortunately more ubiquitous than we've known and to target Sanders specifically with it even though he isn't personally named as a harasser. It isn't taking the temperature of the voter, it is trying to put that voter's head in the microwave.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:50 AM

54. It was about Sanders campaign. Of course the article is

about him. It’s about him and his campaign.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R B Garr (Reply #54)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:59 AM

63. seriously? Attempting to use this issue to say that his days are numbered as a candidate is just

talking about the issue because it happens to have been in Sander's campaign? It is manufacturing a public response before that response has even registered. They could at least be honest about it. They could say they believe that Sanders should be done after the allegation. But really, the title is supposed to make other people think that this is already the zeitgeist of the moment.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #63)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:06 PM

67. Huh? This is too convoluted. The article isn't that confusing,

it’s very straightforward.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to R B Garr (Reply #67)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:06 PM

68. yeah, i'm not confused by it at all. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #68)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:07 PM

70. LOL

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:42 AM

47. Actually the article isn't really a hit piece, but this presentation of it clearly is!

The article is actually quite fair to all. The poster just conveniently left out some salient pieces:

Sanders apologized, as he did last week, for the harm done under his watch and offered a direct message to women affected.

“I thank them from the bottom of my heart for speaking out. What they experienced was absolutely unacceptable and certainly not what a progressive campaign — or any campaign — should be about,” Sanders said during an unrelated Capitol Hill press conference, highlighting mandatory training and a third-party hotline instituted during his subsequent Senate re-election to safeguard against further harassment. ... “Every woman in this country who goes to work today or tomorrow has the right to make sure that she is working in an environment which is free of harassment, which is safe and is comfortable, and I will do my best to make that happen.”

Sanders’ critics in the Democratic Party — and many remain three years after his heated feud with Clinton — seized on the new revelations as reason to abandon any 2020 plans.

“These allegations inform us that Bernie is really not concerned about the well-being of women. And therefore, he would not represent us well as the president,” said Toni Van Pelt, president of the National Organization for Women. “I really think Bernie needs to sit down.”

Sanders’ vast political network does not agree.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KPN (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:48 AM

53. the title is a hit though, unless that was the poster's.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:00 PM

64. I disagree. The allegations are being used as fodder in a deliberate attempt to derail a potential

candidacy by Sanders for the 2020 nomination. There's no question this kind of deliberate attempt puts his candidacy on shaky ground given what we've seen in the past, e.g., Franken's railroading.

My biggest concern is this could all backfire in a way that could become more harmful to the party. Sander's could actually decide to run as an I. It's not inconceivable, and not inconceivable that he might actually be able to make a successful run at and against the Con-man. But is that a risk that our party really wants to take? I think with enough expression of support from his followers/base should the railroading actually succeed, Sanders could possibly choose to do that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KPN (Reply #64)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:02 PM

66. the title read in a vacuum suggests there are nefarious allegations about sanders. You don't read

it that way? It is literally adding fuel to the fire you say it is attempting to address.

Not to mention the first line is about him being embattled. That already suggests that he's been struggling. It isn't suggesting that he's had unprecedented success creating the base he's created. Its already trying to put the nails in the coffin.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #66)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:07 PM

69. There are allegations -- that is true. Nefarious is your interpretation, not mine ... and I'm

actually a Sanders supporter. Though I will say, at this point, I'm not committed to anyone. I think we actually have a potentially attractive field of candidates to individually choose between over the next year and a half. I'm open to that. My choice will be based on who I think genuinely represents my interests and priorities and has the best shot at winning in 2020.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KPN (Reply #69)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:31 PM

73. even the target of the allegations is obfuscated in the title. And again, the next line is


"embattled." embattled by who? Well, by this very press.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #73)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:52 PM

77. Yeah, the article sure doesn't help him, but I'm not sure it hurts him that much either. TPM is

one liberal website that I consider to be fairly objective re: all things Democrat.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KPN (Reply #77)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:54 PM

79. heh...well I guess its unfortunate for Sanders that he's not a Democrat by the standard that


apparently matters.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JCanete (Reply #53)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:11 PM

91. Sexism Claims From Bernie Sanders's 2016 Run: Paid Less, Treated Worse

I know one of the sanders supporters who was named in the NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html

Political campaigns can be grueling experiences for both the women and men involved. But some involved said they considered the treatment of women on the Sanders campaign especially upsetting because the senator positioned himself as a champion of progressive ideals and equality, according to interviews and messages shared on Facebook.

“I don’t think he has to be the vehicle or the platform for the movement that emerged from his campaign,” said Sarah Slamen, who worked for the campaign in Texas, was the state coordinator in Louisiana and helped build out Our Revolution, a progressive organization born from Mr. Sanders’s presidential campaign.

“Do you know how hard that is for me to say after working so hard for him?” she said.

Ms. Slamen quit the organization at the end of 2016 after she said she was berated by a male member of the Our Revolution steering committee for suggesting an organizing plan. In emails reviewed by The Times, she raised issues about sexist behavior with committee members who saw the incident and Our Revolution’s national board of directors. She said she received no reassurance that anything would change.

I gave Sarah a sanders sign that I brought back from the convention.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:20 AM

37. The orchestrated hatchet job continues ... Franken-esque!

In stark contrast to this OP, the TPM article presented a fairly objective summation (fair to detractors AND fair to Sanders) of the situation. Noticeably, the excerpts in the OP ignore what Sanders' has said in response to the allegations (which he clearly does not discount or deny) about sexual harassment within his campaign in 2015/16. Oh, and there is also this from the TPM article which not surprisingly was excluded from the OP:

Sanders’ critics in the Democratic Party — and many remain three years after his heated feud with Clinton — seized on the new revelations as reason to abandon any 2020 plans.

“These allegations inform us that Bernie is really not concerned about the well-being of women. And therefore, he would not represent us well as the president,” said Toni Van Pelt, president of the National Organization for Women. “I really think Bernie needs to sit down.”


Knowing that TPM has pretty much always been a credible website, one should think a bit further before posting such an intentionally biased and false presentation here at DU. Disappointing and telling to say the least.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KPN (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:31 AM

41. Exactly. Al Franken was railroaded!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Joe941 (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:46 AM

50. And we actually have some Democrats who are trying to do that again.

Why? Oh yeah, "he's not a D", and then there's the counter-productive butt-hurt/blame about 2016 (as if that's gonna change things going forward).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KPN (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:52 AM

57. Actually, it was Clinton who was railroaded.



No more double standards.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:33 AM

43. I was a die-hard Bernie supporter in 2016

But I don’t think he has any business running in 2020, for the same reason I say Clinton and other members of the old guard shouldn’t run.

I never donated money to a politician before, but I gave several hundred to Bernie Sanders during the 2016 cycle.

As a party, there is a sea of great younger candidates out there. We need to develop them so that we will have many decades worth of strong candidates to pull from for all levels of leadership.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:47 AM

52. Now this is a post I can appreciate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:08 PM

71. I want to find someone younger too.

And then you see a headline like this and it’s back to square one.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/07/wall-street-and-new-york-business-execs-gear-up-for-2020-presidential-election-.html

Wall Street executives are hearing from Cory Booker, Kamala Harris and other Democrats as they gauge interest in possible 2020 presidential campaigns

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #71)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:41 PM

75. Kamala Harris ranks as the most progressive Senator.

Back to square one my ass.

I refuse to watch people play this bullshit when we all know that the only way to win a presidential election is with money. If you are trying to imply that Harris is in wall street's pocket, that's absolutely absurd.

After all the squawking about Hillary's wall street speeches, a certain candidate and his supporters are going to have to come up with a better line of attack this time.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:51 AM

56. You guys are really working overtime on this.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CentralMass (Reply #56)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:01 PM

88. Two dozen Sanders 2016 staffers signed the letter. They are hoping he will do better in 2020

Those who signed the letter are pro-Sanders.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CentralMass (Reply #56)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:07 PM

89. It's the opposite. No more working overtime to discount

Democrats. If the wheels fall off with the least bit of vetting, then oh well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:23 PM

72. He's Lost Chuckles

who says BS is out by August

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Me. (Reply #72)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:09 PM

95. I saw something about what

Todd had to say about BS.. and too bad it was CT because it rang true about how he should have known what was going on.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Reply #95)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:58 PM

96. And Then...

Ari had a female comedian on Friday for FallBack and she said BS needed to fall back, what with the sex allegations and the unequal pay he was/is done.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Me. (Reply #96)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:24 PM

97. Yes, it's posted on DU..

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cha (Reply #97)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:25 PM

98. ...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Me. (Reply #98)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:33 PM

99. U2

And, so does Lotusflower!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:09 PM

84. Thanks for posting this Sid. I think the last paragraph was worth the read.

“If he doesn’t run, there’s a massive void in this country,” said RoseAnn DeMoro, an activist and former executive director of the National Nurses United union, who reiterated her support for Sanders. “The passion in that base goes away. That base evaporates. It doesn’t go to someone else. There would be a void so deep it would go to (President Donald) Trump, I suspect.”

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #84)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:43 PM

86. We know that California went massively for Clinton, so

her vague threat of not supporting a Democrat is just more BS. Only 70,000 voters in this country made the difference, and that was after three opposition opponents savaged Hillary.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:08 PM

90. CNN-Bernie Sanders has a problem

Sanders did not deal with this issue adequately. CNN thinks that sanders will be hurt by his answer to this issue https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/03/politics/bernie-sanders-sexism-2020/index.html?utm_content=2019-01-06T13%3A22%3A02&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social

On Wednesday night, Sanders was asked by Anderson Cooper whether he was aware, during the 2016 campaign, of the allegations -- recently published by The New York Times -- of sexism and sexual harassment within his operation.

"I was a little bit busy running around the country trying to make the case," said Sanders.

That is not a good answer. At all. Ever. And especially not amid the ongoing impact of the #MeToo movement on the culture and political world.

(Worth noting: He did apologize "to any woman who felt that she was not treated appropriately," and added: "If I run, we will do better next time."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Gothmog (Reply #90)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:28 PM

94. he didn't know, too busy. Not good.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:26 PM

92. K&R

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread