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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:42 AM

Yale Historian: 'inevitable' that Trump will try to stage a coup and overthrow democracy

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/pretty-much-inevitable-trump-will-try-stage-coup-overthrow-democracy-yale-historian-tim-snyder/

In your book you discuss the idea that Donald Trump will have his own version of Hitlerís Reichstag fire to expand his power and take full control of the government by declaring a state of emergency. How do you think that would play out?

Let me make just two points. The first is that I think itís pretty much inevitable that they will try. The reason I think that is that the conventional ways of being popular are not working out for them. The conventional way to be popular or to be legitimate in this country is to have some policies, to grow your popularity ratings and to win some elections. I donít think 2018 is looking very good for the Republicans along those conventional lines ó not just because the president is historically unpopular. Itís also because neither the White House nor Congress have any policies which the majority of the public like.

This means they could be seduced by the notion of getting into a new rhythm of politics, one that does not depend upon popular policies and electoral cycles.

Whether it works or not depends upon whether when something terrible happens to this country, we are aware that the main significance of it is whether or not we are going to be more or less free citizens in the future.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:03 AM

1. And the msm might express surprise when that happens

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:04 AM

2. They'll certainly air it live during prime time!

 

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Response to Palisade (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:46 AM

12. ,,,and the ratings will be stupendous!

Or to quote the odious and now disgraced and fired Moonves, it may not be good for America, but it's wonderful for CBS.

When/how will we all know when the pendulum has swung too far?

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:20 AM

4. They'll say is it all that different

than Obama trying to ban Fox News from the White House briefing room or his executive orders on XYZ?

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:10 AM

8. Maybe CBS can get an exclusive on this at the super bowl...

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:52 AM

13. Their objective will be to normalize it.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 08:10 AM

3. He said in 2016 that he wouldn't accept the election results...

If he lost. He flat-out said that.

Trump will not leave the presidency until he is literally physically dragged out of there--kicking, screaming, and grabbing at the carpet. He is in that job for as long as he wants to be. Term limits, like the rest of the Constitution, don't mean jack shit anymore.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:32 AM

5. he wasn't expecting to win.

He just said that so he could legitimize Hillary and go around on TV like he did with Obama's birtherism.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:14 AM

9. He probably thinks the White House is his personal acquisition

- a personal prize that he "won" - and therefore by right belongs to him and his heirs

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:25 AM

10. I absolutely guaranteee you that the second another person is sworn in as president....

Trump will be gone. If that means the Secret Service will bodily pick him up and take him out like yesterdays trash, that's what will happen. If he wants to kick and scream, there will be at least 4 Secret Service guys, one to hold each extremity.

Those people swear an oath to the Constitution, not the man.

As much as he might like to think he would get away with anything like that, he won't. In spite of how it may sometimes appear, this country has much stronger institutions than this asshole.

And if his base rises up, let them. 1/3rd of the country being pissed off is not something new. There was 30% of the electorate who would have followed Nixon to the gates of hell, also.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:38 AM

6. Trump doesn't have a military arm to pull off a stunt like that...

...nor does he have control of law enforcement to cast blame where he wants it.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:56 AM

7. the GOP abandoned popular policies long ago

and has been relying on gerrymandering, voter suppression, fearmongering, and hatemongering. Nothing new for them.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:29 AM

11. If you haven't read this, you should;

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:31 PM

15. Thanks! Some more reading material. Too bad economics is not evidence based science.

Not to disparage these articles, I just find them interesting but not necessarily very truthy.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:37 PM

16. Thanks - i've heard this explained a lot by Thom Hartmann

it's a favorite article and topic of his

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:50 PM

14. we are all so disempowered that

as another thread states, it won't even take a Reichstag fire- all it takes is a liar to lie about a crisis, and we all know he is lying and McConnell and Graham are letting him get away from it. Why?

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