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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:02 PM

JFC they're cutting down the Joshua trees



https://www.axios.com/government-shutdown-national-parks-joshua-trees-98350e1b-496b-4508-a0d5-45bd4074e42b.html

Vulnerable Joshua trees in Joshua Tree National Park in California have been cut down by visitors who illegally drove into areas where vehicles are banned during the partial government shutdown. As a result, the park is closed indefinitely, its superintendent said Thursday.

Why it matters: In all previous government shutdowns that affected the Department of Interior, administrations closed the parks rather than allow access unsupervised. Joshua trees already face threats of extinction from climate change.

Emily Douce, of the National Parks Conservation Association, told Vox that now-former Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke ordered to keep the national parks open during the shutdown to avoid the same criticism from 2013's shutdown.


I used to be stationed out there. I loved those trees. They'd been there for two thousand years, some of them.

You can see them for miles away; they're the only thing above knee-high. If you come from downwind you can catch the smell for over a mile: a little bit like cedar, but softer, and green, so perfectly green in that yellow-gray basin. Well, you could at least.

They cut them down and just fucking left them there. I don't know why this is hitting me so hard but it really is; I knew these exact trees, and some MAGA dipshit decided they were in the way of his fucking four wheeler.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:04 PM

1. Omg that's AWFUL!





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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:08 PM

2. This makes me so angry.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:09 PM

3. This makes me sick

I love Joshua Trees and that park is one of my favorite places in the country.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:15 PM

4. just rude...

So many humans are just self absorbed creatures, with NO REGARD for anything in nature... assholes...

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:01 PM

56. Republicans. It is who they are.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:16 PM

5. goddamn fuck is wrong with people...

my uncle who used to work at the UN among other diplomatic posts, used to call humans, a "bad animal." He was right...

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:17 PM

6. Add another one to the growing list of metaphors for the Trump Admin.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:19 PM

7. What the hell??!!

What kind of sick asshole does this?!

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:21 PM

8. More drumpfian destruction!

While drumpf is bitching about security at the southern border, deplorable Americans are chopping down Ancient Joshua trees!

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:22 PM

9. Stiggenit

That is their prime directive. Do something libs would find repulsive just to make them sad.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:24 PM

10. This makes me ill.

What is it with these fucking Cletuses needing to drive in these sensitive areas? They do it on NC beaches; I mean, I cannot in a million years see the need to drive my car on a beach.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:25 PM

11. There will be nothing left of value within our borders by 2020.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:26 PM

12. Deplorables doing as much harm as they can to upset liberals.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:58 PM

34. Deplorables destroying our land.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:29 PM

13. Just sheer, mean stupidity and malice.

Deplorables! My anger at this kind of senseless destruction is unquenchable. Feh!

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:32 PM

14. It sounds like Saruman in *Lord of the Rings*...

...cutting down trees for pure malice. Alas, there isn't a Treebeard around to make the *&%$#&ers pay...

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:41 PM

15. The desert Southwest is such a fragile environment.

Best for Trump and friends to stay far, far away.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:44 PM

16. You know, I really find it extremely hard not to hate generic people. n/t

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:44 PM

17. It's kind of like the Taliban blowing up those ancient Buddhist statues...

An attitude of "Infidels idolize them, so getting rid of them is a positive good. And bustin' up shit is always fun."

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Response to JHB (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:45 PM

18. I hadn't made the Bamiyan connection, thank you.

That's exactly what it's like

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Response to JHB (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:38 PM

29. +1

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Response to JHB (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:50 PM

51. Yes, that's what it's like.

This is heartbreaking.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:46 PM

19. "wilding"

Isn't that what it is?

Or "berserkers"

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:50 PM

20. This is absolutely fucking appalling.

Oh and to the Trump fans who might be lurking here - I don't give a flying rat's ass if I'm "owned" or "triggered" - fuck you, fuck your values, and fuck your president.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:00 PM

21. Par for the course

All it takes is a long look at human history to see precedent. When you factor in a national culture built on avarice and rapaciousness -- "As one digs deeper into the national character of the Americans, one sees that they have sought the value of everything in this world only in the answer to this single question: how much money will it bring in?" -Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831 -- then things like this should be expected.

What has kept destruction at bay in the national parks for this last century hasn't been the will or work of a majority of the public, it's simply the threat of law enforcement and penalty. Once that is gone, we see America's id step from the shadows. Just like the scofflaws in Oregon that seized a protected area, were allowed to stay in place then a jury let them go without punishment.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:04 PM

22. I'm all for "ecotourism" as long as most places are protected

from people, especially places like this.

There are so many beautiful places that should be left alone from people who treat them like personal gymnasiums or theme parks. Sentient beings and fauna grow and die in these places, and they should be left alone.

Now that park rangers aren't in our national parks to make sure things like this don't happen, moron people seem to be taking it to the hilt.

I guess I'm getting old, but people always picture themselves in wilderness areas as if they're on vacation or "conquering the wilderness" or some damn thing, and it's so much about them than the place they happen to be in. It's all about them.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:09 PM

23. They were cut down as cheap political statements. Motherfucking MAGAts.

Bet on it. The cutting down ofd these national treasures was done to show that we lefties and liberals can be hurt. This is the same sort of shit as the ICEers blocking Tesla charging stations, only worse. Much worse.

The cutting was political. BET ON IT.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:17 PM

24. It is hitting you hard because you are human

with an open heart.

Who can feel love and awe in the presence of an amazing, ancient being.

It's something to grieve the planet's loss of habitat due to development, climate change, pesticides.

And now to have to grieve the loss of beautiful trees that our "social contract" agreed "Not these ones. These ones we will preserve, and hold sacred."

So we have to grieve the trees, who wanted only to provide beauty.

and grieve humans, who won't even be humans.




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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:34 PM

25. They aren't even taking them home!

The heads will root easily.

Joshua trees are yucccas....

They should grow back from the base. (Although they only grow at a rate of 1.5 inches per year)

Usually people who raid saguaros take them home and root them.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:36 PM

26. Asshole deplorables MAGA!

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:37 PM

27. I am fortunate to have two Joshua trees on my property.

They are fragile with shallow roots and if they develop a multi branched crown they become top heavy and can be uprooted by our fierce desert winds. After nearly 50 years their growth is impercep, but one continues to blossom and regularly bear seed pods that I let germinate around the base. I have 10-12 heathly new little Joshua trees from 6" to 18" high.

I can't understand why people destroy something that could be hundreds of years old.


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Response to procon (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:39 PM

62. What have they done to the earth? What have they done to our fair sister? Ravaged and plundered

and ripped and bit her, stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn and dragged her down.

They got the guns but we got the numbers....gonna win yeah we're taking over.

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Response to procon (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:38 AM

68. Because they can

I do find it hard to like people sometimes.

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Response to procon (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:47 AM

69. ooo send me some seeds next time!

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:38 PM

28. Goddamn

Sons of bitches.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:39 PM

30. Unreal.

I hope they catch the perps. Someone knows who did it.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:40 PM

31. Red Dawn

Let it turn. Let that anger and hatred turn. Let's turn and face these fuckers. It's way past time.
There's going to be a showdown. Get yourselves ready.
We've accommodated the enemy for too long. They KNOW dt is compromised and they don't care bc they're senseless. Either they get on the train or stay at the station, but, this country is moving forward. STAMP OUT THE GOP.


STAMP....THEM....OUT.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:06 PM

40. "Wolverines!"

I tend to agree.

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Response to byronius (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:09 PM

41. +1

The longer we avoid this, the longer this national nightmare is going to go on. Turn and face them down...today, tonight, tomorrow and beyond. Support our Congress and let's take back what the russians and unjustified anger (theirs) has cost us the last three years.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:41 PM

32. GD these stupid assholes.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:43 PM

33. Goddamn Trump trash

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:51 PM

52. Pure spite.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:59 PM

35. I'm sorry recursion.

I know how you feel.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:01 PM

36. When ISIS terrorists take over an area they destroy all the historic monuments in it

When Trump cult terrorists take over a national park, they do the exact same thing.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:04 PM

37. Joshua Tree is a Special Place

Those trees only grow in the Mohave Desert; and I also heard the MAGAts are spray painting graffiti on the ancient unique boulder formations there. FUCK YOU TRUMP AND YOUR FKING ILK. Your boss, Vlad, couldn't be more proud of you and your efforts to destroy this country. You're the WORST thing that's happened to the US in my life!

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:05 PM

38. I don't think they live that long and are you thinking of a different plant?

They also don't have much odor?

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Response to Kali (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:48 PM

50. Typical lifespan is 500 years

Some of the ones in the park are 1200 years old

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Response to Recursion (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:54 PM

54. from your description I thought maybe you meant bristlecones.

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Response to Kali (Reply #54)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:56 PM

55. Those are awesome. But they live to be like 4000

Higher up on the Sierra, though

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Response to Recursion (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:02 PM

58. yep the age and the cedar smell...

I'm not in the Mojave but have been around Joshua Trees a bit and never noticed an aroma (there are several other yucca species here, though same - even in bloom there isn't much scent, though bugs are crazy for them)

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Response to Kali (Reply #58)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:54 AM

70. For all I know it was entirely psychological

I do remember it vividly though

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:05 PM

39. That is an act of pure darkness.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

42. Deplorables going to be deplorable

bastards

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:13 PM

43. Eco-terrorism: terrorism that terrifies ecologists & conservationist & destroys key nature. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:32 AM

73. no no silly

eco terrorism is when people respect nature and prevent business from making money!

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:14 PM

44. The Pave-The-Earth crowd is restless. . . . nt

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:18 PM

45. Special place in hell

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Response to cp (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:22 PM

46. If only...

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:25 PM

47. Destroying for fun. I can't take it.

I cant take seeing every beautiful natural living thing heading towards extinction... I cant take it. 💔🖤💔

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:28 PM

48. Edwards AFB, CA 1988-1992

These trees are a wonder to see and a damn shame that they can't be protected from idiots.

No to the stupid wall.

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:35 PM

49. Noooo

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:53 PM

53. It hurts

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:01 PM

57. Regardless of the shutdown

I am disgusted by these people! Anyone that mows over or cuts down trees in ANY park is an asshole!

I've visited plenty of natural places that are not manned and have ALWAYS packed in and packed out! The people that are taking advantage of this shutdown are not lovers of nature and the responsibility that goes along with enjoying it.

These people fucking suck!

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:10 PM

59. Zinke is at fault.

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:17 PM

60. Cutting down the trees is symbolic/metaphoric of what

Trump and the Complicit Republican Congress and deplorable citizens are doing to our Constitution and Country. Destroying it.

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:20 PM

61. I can't even describe the rage I'm feeling over this. I had the privilege of visiting this park

a couple of years ago, and was just blown away by the beauty of the place. The idea of these cretins running roughshod through there...I'm so sorry that it had to come to this.

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:39 PM

63. Rancid souled Magats.

Im so sorry. For you. For the trees. For the planet...for all of us. Godammit.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:47 PM

64. So terrible😿

Why would anyone do that?

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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:07 AM

65. Image - the MOTHERFUCKING MAGAts did this.

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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:14 AM

66. Asshole Trump enables idiots like this.




Trump and his extortion campaign are devastating our country in so many ways.

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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:29 AM

67. violation of oath of office?

Is Zinke guilty?


5 U.S. Code 3331 - Oath of office

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. This section does not affect other oaths required by law.
(Pub. L. 89554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 424.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3331


By failing to protect the parks -- keeping them open in spite of knowing they will be unprotected or under-protected -- it appears to me he failed to "well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office". These parks are supposed to be preserved and protected for all.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #67)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:40 AM

75. He can't protect the parks if he doesn't have a budget.

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Response to Takket (Reply #75)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:42 AM

76. they should have been closed

That's the point. Without people to safeguard the parks, they should be closed. He directed that they remain open in spite of being unable to provide protection.

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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:55 AM

71. Just vandals...bastards

Like unruly, wasted teenagers when Mom & Dad leave them home alone.. They just want to destroy stuff..

Instead of people who might have seen the shutdown as a way to go free to places they used to have to pay for..these freaks just want to ruin stuff and leave trash everywhere

Joshua Trees are very special indeed.. ..

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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:42 AM

72. We can see Joshua Tree National Park from our kitchen window.

We also have some Joshua trees on our property, and I can't imagine living in the high desert without them.

The national parks need to be closed. Fuck the people who bitch about it -- they're probably the same ones who want to ride their ATVs to chase the coyotes and destroy the delicate ground cover that will take decades to recover.

Trump is committed to destroying this country in every way he can. I don't believe in an afterlife, but for him I'll make an exception so I'll know he'll burn in hell for all eternity.

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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 07:38 AM

74. "We have become great because of the lavish use of our resources. But the time has come...

...to inquire seriously what will happen when our forests are gone, when the coal, the iron, the oil, and the gas are exhausted, when the soils have still further impoverished and washed into the streams, polluting the rivers, denuding the fields and obstructing navigation."

-- Theodore Roosevelt

US President. Republican (once-upon-a-time version).

Or to modern Republicans: "Just another damn tree-hugger"

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:32 PM

77. K & R for exposure.

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