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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:36 PM

My (ridiculously cheap) alternative to The Wall.

Arrest the people who hire undocumented workers. It's just that simple.

Let the punishment fit the crime. Did you and your wife hire an undocumented nanny because you both have to work full-time? We understand. That's 40 hours of community service for you. Thanks for helping to clean up our nation's beautiful highways on the weekends, and don't let it happen again.

Are you a builder who hired a crew of eight undocumented laborers to help you build homes? Well, that's a little more serious. Thirty days in jail for you. Spend your month contemplating the idea that crime does not pay.

Are you the owner of a factory who knowingly hired 100 undocumented workers in your operation? Oh, wow. That's pretty bad. Six months in real, my-toilet-is-also-my-sink, prison is for you. May you serve as an example to others, and may God have mercy on your soul.

This would solve the "immigration crisis" overnight. Workers simply won't come here if there is nobody here hiring them. Even Bob and Madge, our dual-income parents, will think twice about hiring an undocumented nanny if picking up shattered beer bottles along Interstate 10 is in their near future.

You never, ever, hear this discussed in our mainstream media. Because the "immigration crisis" is bullshit. And The Wall is even more bullshit.

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Reply My (ridiculously cheap) alternative to The Wall. (Original post)
Dave Starsky Jan 2019 OP
Turbineguy Jan 2019 #1
ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #2
Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #4
mitch96 Jan 2019 #8
Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2019 #12
maveric Jan 2019 #3
lunatica Jan 2019 #5
customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #7
lunatica Jan 2019 #11
Mr. Quackers Jan 2019 #14
customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #22
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #18
customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #23
customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #6
Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #9
customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #24
Poiuyt Jan 2019 #10
Autumn Jan 2019 #13
Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #15
Old_grump Jan 2019 #16
Autumn Jan 2019 #20
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #17
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #19
Mosby Jan 2019 #21

Response to Dave Starsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:54 PM

1. That suggestion is below

the republican belt.

My friend in Houston told me people would hire undocumented workers and then call the Migra's an hour before paychecks were given out.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:57 PM

2. There is a tenth circle in Hell for people like that

I really don't know how much lower anyone could get. What a bunch of mother fuckers!

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:01 PM

4. WT actual F.

These people are truly evil. It's one thing to be amoral, greedy, etc. But when you go out of your way to do an awful thing to another human being just to make an extra buck on top of an already ill-gotten buck, that is evil. I don't know how you can characterize it as anything else.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:38 PM

8. Sounds like someting 45 would do... nt

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:09 PM

12. Thank you for confirming my suspicions about some of these scumbags. nt

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Response to Dave Starsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:59 PM

3. How do they always get a pass?

They lure them and expoit them with impunity.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:02 PM

5. Sounds reasonable.

MAGATS would love doing the work themselves! Especially the day labor gigs and the seasonal crop picking! Put their youth to work making an honest living! Teach them the work ethic!

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Response to lunatica (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:26 PM

7. Do you think

one hundred years from now, that people will still be hand picking fruits and vegetables?

A century ago, most farm work was done with animal labor. Yes, there were tractors, but only the wealthiest farmers could afford them. Tractors did not surpass horses in the fields until World War II pulled all those boys off of the farm.

If undocumented cheap docile labor were not available, the cost of legal labor would go so high as to make the invention, development, and sale of machines to do this work feasible. This would be a good use of solar power, too.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:06 PM

11. I think a century from now all plant foods

will be grown in high rise solar and renewable energy and self sufficient farms which can be put anywhere thatís needed on the planet. The land will be allowed to return to its natural state. Hunger will be a thing of the past.

Water will be husbanded in the same manner.

Or, conversely, the planet will be dying and only Trump and his friends will have enough to eat.

Itís up to us.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:10 PM

14. We will obtain proteins from harvesting sea plankton

 

. . . or so THEY would have you believe.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:07 AM

22. Do you think

that humans will plant, tend, and harvest crops the way they do now? I don't.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:19 PM

18. assumes we survive beyond 2020

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:09 AM

23. I've lived my whole life

with doomsday scenarios, all of which have not come to pass. Yes, we have threats, but we've either been able to deal with them (the Clean Air Act is one such method) or they were simply exaggerated projections that were unrealistic.

We're going to be here, by far the most of us, in 2021.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:22 PM

6. Well, using the criminal justice system

is not cheap, but there is a better solution.

No deductions from income allowed for wages paid to people who have not cleared e-Verify. That could be adopted even on an individual state basis for those states with an income tax.

It doesn't clog the courts or the jails, and saves money on lawyers.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:22 PM

9. That is another great, practical solution.

But I guess this is all an academic discussion, because right now we are debating building a concrete (and/or) steel wall along the southern border of the United States.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:32 AM

24. True

But the states don't need to wait to implement this solution. The SCOTUS has decided that states cannot set immigration policy, but they always have the right to set their own tax policies.

The problem is that ranchers, farmers, and the hospitality industry (motels and restaurants) own too many state legislators to effectuate such a solution.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:28 PM

10. But then who would work at Mar-a-lago?

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Response to Dave Starsky (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:10 PM

13. There are laws on the books, they just have to be enforced and that would stop a lot of it.

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First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.

That is the wall.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:44 PM

15. That's what I'm talking about. A sliding scale.

It seems so simple to me. Punish the people who bring the "illegals" into the country, the people who hire them!. The "illegals" wouldn't be here without them. Why does it seem.that this is so easy for me to understand and so hard for everyone else to understand?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:13 PM

16. My proposal

My proposal would be to fine these employers the equivalent of one year salary at the going rate for the job for which they hired an undocumented worker. I believe this will encourage people to advertise these jobs so that people can apply for them. If nobody applies for them, then the wage is too low.

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Response to Old_grump (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:26 PM

20. Good idea.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:18 PM

17. put cardboard Trump scarecrows along the border

Cheap and effective.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:25 PM

19. Deport all racists.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:32 PM

21. A lot of undocumented workers

Work in the underground economy.

Most landscape companies in the phoenix area for example don't really exist on paper, they pay no taxes and there are no "employee" deductions.

How to fix it? Get rid of cash or require banks to report large withdrawals.

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