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Wed Jan 9, 2019, 08:20 PM

Exclusive: Mueller Is Holding Top Secret Intelligence That Will Sink the Trump Presidency

Exclusive: Mueller Is Holding Top Secret Intelligence That Will Sink the Trump Presidency

By John R. Schindler at the Observer

https://observer.com/2019/01/robert-mueller-top-secret-intelligence-will-sink-trump-presidency/

"SNIP....

The answer lies in a highly secretive intelligence program run by the National Security Agency (NSA). It’s called travel tracking and its existence, like so many NSA top-secret operations, was revealed by Edward Snowden, the disgruntled agency IT contractor who fled to Moscow in June 2013 with over a million classified documents from the NSA and other U.S. spy agencies.

Travel tracking means that the NSA and its Five Eyes Anglosphere intelligence partners know who’s going where by air, and when, anywhere. They can even crack into WiFi and mobile phones in flight, according to top secret-plus documentsstolen and leaked by Snowden. Unless you’re traveling under alias documents of the kind issued by higher-end spy services, the NSA and its close friends know where you’re headed.

There ends the mystery of how Mueller and his investigators knew about Manafort and Kilimnik’s off-record rendezvous in Madrid at the beginning of Donald Trump’s presidency. It also means that the Special Counsel knows the truth regarding Michael Cohen’s alleged summer 2016 trip to Prague to parley with Kremlin spies on behalf of his then-client, our 45th president.

“Mueller really does know everything,” joked a former Intelligence Community (IC) senior official whom I’ve known for years. “The IC gave the Special Counsel everything we had that might be of relevance to their investigation, most of it came from NSA.” Which hardly surprises, since something like 80 percent of the actionable intelligence in the IC emanates from the NSA, the world’s most productive spy agency.

.....SNIP"

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Reply Exclusive: Mueller Is Holding Top Secret Intelligence That Will Sink the Trump Presidency (Original post)
applegrove Jan 9 OP
MagickMuffin Jan 9 #1
onit2day Jan 10 #71
UniteFightBack Jan 9 #2
YessirAtsaFact Jan 10 #55
WhiteTara Jan 10 #58
YessirAtsaFact Jan 10 #59
WhiteTara Jan 10 #61
RDANGELO Jan 9 #3
erronis Jan 9 #11
Anon-C Jan 9 #26
applegrove Jan 10 #44
mikeysnot Jan 11 #75
applegrove Jan 11 #80
0rganism Jan 9 #30
ChoppinBroccoli Jan 10 #54
NoMoreRepugs Jan 9 #4
YessirAtsaFact Jan 10 #56
fascisthunter Jan 9 #5
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 11 #76
sfwriter Jan 9 #6
Blue_true Jan 9 #23
sfwriter Jan 9 #29
Blue_true Jan 9 #32
sfwriter Jan 10 #46
Blue_true Jan 10 #62
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 11 #77
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #64
applegrove Jan 10 #45
MineralMan Jan 9 #7
applegrove Jan 9 #8
GeoWilliam750 Jan 9 #10
applegrove Jan 9 #19
BumRushDaShow Jan 9 #12
Takket Jan 9 #27
BumRushDaShow Jan 10 #49
erronis Jan 9 #15
pnwmom Jan 9 #25
erlewyne Jan 9 #9
GusBob Jan 9 #13
pangaia Jan 9 #14
PubliusEnigma Jan 9 #16
OMGWTF Jan 9 #21
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 11 #78
True Dough Jan 9 #28
applegrove Jan 9 #41
True Dough Jan 10 #50
Loki Liesmith Jan 10 #51
True Dough Jan 10 #53
applegrove Jan 10 #68
True Dough Jan 10 #69
bdamomma Jan 10 #57
GeorgeGist Jan 9 #17
pnwmom Jan 9 #20
Botany Jan 9 #18
GoCubsGo Jan 9 #22
orangecrush Jan 9 #24
former9thward Jan 9 #31
PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 9 #33
RobinA Jan 9 #36
PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 9 #40
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applegrove Jan 10 #43
0rganism Jan 9 #35
Nitram Jan 9 #37
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blue-wave Jan 9 #42
Judi Lynn Jan 10 #47
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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 08:40 PM

1. Colossal Cluster Fork


When oh when will this nightmare be over???

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Response to MagickMuffin (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:40 PM

71. Exactly. Right now it's Mitch McConell keeping the gov closed and he'd

open it by passing already unanimously passed legislation to open it before Trump declares National emergency and sends the entire nation to hell. You will pay Mitch.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 08:42 PM

2. Can't wait to find out all about that rump server ! nt

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:13 AM

55. I thing Alfa bank is the foreign company in the secret hearings

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All network logs and other relevant records related to TrumpCo/Russia were subpoenaed

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Response to YessirAtsaFact (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:32 AM

58. Alfa

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:47 AM

59. Thanks

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Response to YessirAtsaFact (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:25 AM

61. there are so many criminals it's hard to keep

them straight!

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 08:47 PM

3. That probably means that whenever Trump goes on trial, it's not going to be public.

The judge the lawyers and the jury are going to have to be given security clearances and sworn to secrecy.

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Response to RDANGELO (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:15 PM

11. So only the unwashed US public will be in the dark? Everyone else - friends and foes know it all

anyway.

No, I think the information masking is happening, not because of national security reasons, but because it doesn't match the "message" that the leaders want us to hear.

Whether in DC, TelAviv/Jerusalem, Rihad, Moscow, and other havens of the corrupt.

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Response to erronis (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:59 PM

26. ...

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Response to erronis (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:22 AM

44. Tel Aviv/Jerusalem is corrupt?

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Response to applegrove (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:19 AM

75. Bibi is corrupt POS.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/world/middleeast/netanyahu-cases-guide.html

Probably what they were referring too. Hardly any coverage here on this...

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #75)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:51 PM

80. Okay. Bibi.

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Response to RDANGELO (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:25 PM

30. some of it probably qualifies as porn

trial or otherwise, those parts aren't going on the air during prime time

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Response to RDANGELO (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:09 AM

54. Which Will Only Add Fuel To Fire For Trump Cultists To Believe In A "Deep State" Conspiracy

I believe that most of the Branch Donaldians are fully prepared to turn a blind eye to any and all evidence that suggests their mancrush is anything OTHER than the only begotten son of Jesus and Superman. But being actively blocked from viewing any of the evidence against him will only prove, in their minds, that there IS no evidence, and that his removal from office (and whatever else happens after that--please prison, please prison) is nothing more than a "Deep State" conspiracy to get rid of him because he "scares them so much" (no lie, I've had a Trump Cultist actually say this to me--Trump scares the "Deep State" because he's an "outsider" who's going to radically change things).

That's why I believe that anything that doesn't immediately endanger national security should be made public. Having everything be secret will only make Trump the martyr that his cult members desperately want.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 08:47 PM

4. The fact that tRumpy alienated the intelligence agencies

sealed his fate. That Karma thing is so lovely.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:17 AM

56. The IC isn't going to do Trump any favors

That’s for sure

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:03 PM

5. interesting

...But will not take this seriously.

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:26 AM

76. Hard to know anymore isn't it?

So many "good news' stories seem to flash in the pan and then dt does something else and it seems like it never matters. We'll see, bc, we don't have a choice. (In waiting the eternal/infernal wait)

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:05 PM

6. If this is true, then the FBI has done the nation a disservice...

...by letting it drag out.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:50 PM

23. They are in a damned if they do, damned if they don't

situation. Their best course is to help Mueller build a rock solid case that won't be open to interpretation.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:23 PM

29. It needs to be sweeping if they have this level of data.

I thought now as more nations are involved, we could be looking at an amazingly complex crime here.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:27 PM

32. Likely treason level stuff. But be patient. I know it is hard with the damage the buffoon is doing

But, when charges come down, they should be so solid that any person with a working brain will see that they are rock solid.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:09 AM

46. Yeah, and as wide as they are deep.

If a guy like papadopolis caught a charge, people like hope hicks are screwed.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:48 AM

62. I am going to enjoy seeing all of the bastard roast, after what they did to Hillary and the country.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:28 AM

77. Well crap they've had the intel for "years" while the country burned,

it better be comprehensive and redeeming to the extent it restores our country. Elsewise...what's the point if the guy does his term anyway or shuts the country down erdogan style and it's a mess?

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:18 PM

64. +1. Lives depend on it. It needs to be rock solid or the Deplorables will be revolting.


Well, they are revolting people.

But if the case is not rock-solid, they will take up arms and kill people. Some will anyway, but a lot fewer people will die if Mueller presents a rock-solid case in a detailed incontrovertible report.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:33 AM

45. Um. They need to be meticulous.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:09 PM

7. Consider the source.

Color me skeptical.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:10 PM

8. The Observer is centre left.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:14 PM

10. Wrong Observer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Observer

Formerly owned by Jared Kushner, and now operated by his brother-in-law.

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Response to GeoWilliam750 (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:45 PM

19. My bad.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:15 PM

12. But it is owned by someone we are all familiar with

Developer’s Son Acquires The New York Observer

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE JULY 31, 2006

Jared Kushner, the 25-year-old son of a wealthy New Jersey developer who was sentenced to prison last year, has bought The New York Observer, paying what one person familiar with details of the sale said was nearly $10 million for a majority stake in the weekly newspaper.

“I own The New York Observer,” he said yesterday. Mr. Kushner said that he bought the newspaper because it was a marquee property in the media capital of the world, and that the opportunity to buy a newspaper did not come around very often. The paper’s relatively small circulation — 50,000 — belies its influence, particularly in New York’s media, political and real estate circles.

He also said The Observer was a good brand that could one day make a lot of money, though it now loses about $2 million a year.

Because every side of the transaction is private, it is difficult to precisely determine the financing behind the deal. It is not clear how much of a stake Mr. Kushner bought, but Arthur Carter, the current publisher of The Observer, is retaining some interest and will be offering the new owner strategic advice.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/31/business/media/31observer.html

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:06 PM

27. "the 25-year-old son of a wealthy New Jersey developer who was sentenced to prison last year"

This is how he should be introduced in EVERY article! age adjusted of course.

of course he'll have his own prison sentence to deal with soon enough.

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Response to Takket (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:59 AM

49. .....

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:22 PM

15. So why is Kushner's NY Observer pushing this story? Confusion/deflection? nt

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Response to erronis (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:53 PM

25. Kushner's brother-in-law is now the publisher, and Schindler has been a never-Trumper

from the get-go.

I wouldn't automatically assume that his brother-in-law even likes the smug, self-promoting prick. Would you, if he were your brother-in-law?

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:13 PM

9. Mueller knows but we or they do not.

He does not read this.

He's Mueller.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:19 PM

14. I HOPE LIKE HELL they can get Pence also.



trump is insane

pence is truly delusional

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Response to pangaia (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:32 PM

16. President Pelosi, please!

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:47 PM

21. Cheers to that!

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:30 AM

78. Omg. Hail yes!

HRC too. Amends and atonement need to be made to the true first lady.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:21 PM

28. He's like an automaton

Standing there like a trained dog, staring in admiration at his master. He plays the role really, really well.

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Response to True Dough (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:07 PM

41. Who was that spy in Maxwell Smart who was always hiding in places

like the garbage can or the post office box? Harvey? Hamie? That is what Pence's grin reminds me of.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:20 AM

50. A quick IMDb search tells me it was Hymie

I honestly didn't know. Maxwell Smart was just a little before my time and I never caught the reruns. The only things I knew of that series were Don Adams playing the main character and Maxwell Smart sometimes talked into a shoe phone.

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Response to True Dough (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:58 AM

51. Wasn't Hymie the robot?

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:48 AM

53. Yes, it appears Hymie was a robot

whether that is the character that Applegrove was referring to, I'm not certain.

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Response to True Dough (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:02 PM

68. My mistake.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:26 PM

69. We all make 'em!

Except Donny. He's the exception!

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Response to True Dough (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:25 AM

57. both are

"playing a role" and hopefully the role will end soon.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:37 PM

17. So Schindler is claiming that Manafort's Madrid rendezvous ...

with Kilimnik was after Trump was President.

Color me disbeliever.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:46 PM

20. That is what Manafort's lawyer is saying. Schindler is saying even if that is true

it doesn't help Manafort's case. The campaign polling data was sent to the Russians beginning in the spring of 2016.

Since the Russians were interested in concessions on Ukraine, the fact that Manafort was meeting with Kilimnik after the election isn't helpful to his case.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html

Manafort's filing also acknowledges he met with Kilimnik in Madrid. Later Tuesday, Manafort spokesman Jason Maloni said that meeting was in January or February 2017, after Trump was elected. There are two known meetings during the campaign between Manafort and Kilimnik.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:37 PM

18. Prague is a very modern city and I am sure Mr. Muller

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... knows about the survalence cameras that might show Michael Cohen. Forget the pre pre stuff and focus on the important part of the Steele dossier that Cohen met with Russians in Prague in the late summer of 2016 to help rig the elections.

I would put money on that Ivanka and Jared were there too.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article208870264.html

Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier

Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article208870264.html#storylink=cpy

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:49 PM

22. I have no doubt that this is the case.

The country is going to be absolutely shocked when the things he knows are made public. I think even those of us whom nothing surprises anymore will be surprised.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:52 PM

24. About time our tax dollars went to good use!



There's your fucking wall, Bozo!



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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:26 PM

31. Another garbage report with no sources.

How many of these have been published over the last two years? Lost count a long time ago.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:30 PM

33. There is something vaguely familiar here.

Oh, yeah, now I remember. This sort of thing gets posted on a daily basis. We see gleeful posts about Trump's imminent demise quite regularly.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:41 PM

36. Ya Got That Right

I’m expecting Mueller to get a few more people in trouble, report will be underwhelming, Trump will roll on. People put too much stock in this whole investigation. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not holding my breath.

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Response to RobinA (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:02 PM

40. And you likewise got it right.

People make a big deal about the few people who've been indicted or even convicted, but that hasn't put a dent into the damage Trump and his entire administration keep on doing.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:31 PM

34. I'm tired of waiting.

Fuck this... at this point Trump has our nation in the toilet and I am becoming more and more leary of what is going to happen here.

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Response to Texasgal (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:08 AM

43. Pace ourselves. Wait for the facts. Less traumatizing then.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:31 PM

35. only Mueller knows the full extent of our defeat

only one American has reviewed all the evidence and seen the true unveiled nature of which the rest of us see only glimpses, fleeting shadows, to fuel inference with little direct evidence.

he's basically our Obi Wan Kenobi at this point, either he comes through or civilization dies off. and like Obi Wan, if they strike him down he'll only become stronger.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:48 PM

37. They should all be very afraid. Manafort is. Anyone one of them who isn't is

in for a rude surprise.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:52 PM

38. OMG please stop with these Little Boy that Cried Mueller headlines

The investigation will probably go on for at least another 6 months. And we still don't really know what will come out of it all. Or how much they'll bury for "national security" reasons.

I think it will be the ultimate end of the Trump presidency, but ffs can we wait a bit before cracking the champagne? Because I'll bet dollars to donuts there will be some results we will be angry about, that Mueller didn't investigate, or if he did, we are not happy with the conclusion presented.

Save your energy for that

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:00 PM

39. without a doubt

However, he may be waiting until Election 2020...

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:19 PM

42. Then let's get this ship

sunk already. Geez, how long will this take? I'm getting tired and I think most of the country is worn out with this circus show. Drop the hammer already.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:23 AM

47. I believe they know exactly what to do and how to do it and are proceeding as appropriate.

I've got the time for them to get solid, legitimate results. Why should my lack of understanding have any importance?

Looking forward to watching how they will wrap this thing up, and the manner in which it will unfold. Should be fascinating.

They are the experts, after all, in a grotesquely intense, challenging situation where they can not afford to make any mistakes.

Mastery over impulse, over demands for satisfaction is something evolving people are expected to learn.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:38 AM

48. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

How many times can one be told that the lid is about to be ripped off the whole ugly can of worms, and then...

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 07:06 AM

52. Cohen's phone was tracked down to a cellphone-tower in Prague in summer 2016.

Cellphones and Smartphones automatically connect to the next-best cellphone-tower nearby, to be ready just in case. It doesn't connect you to the nearest cellphone-tower: It connects you to the one with the best reception.

While this is not accurate enough to pinpoint your exact location, it's good enough to find out whether you were in the general area.



We don't know whether Cohen was in Prague at the time, but his cellphone definitely was.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:07 AM

60. I had forgotten about the info that Snowden took to Russia. Hmmm. Wonder how much of it

helped Russia with Trump since 2013?

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:09 PM

63. It's one thing to know everything, it's another to orchestrate justice.

Here's hoping.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:38 PM

65. I want to actually see and read the outcome of the investigation.

The Exalted Orange Leader will do his utmost to shitcan the results of the investigation the day it comes out, as is evidenced not only by the appointment of the snake, Whittaker, but by Barr as well. His newly appointed corral of seventeen additional lawyers are hard at work as we speak.

After all the time this investigation has taken, after all of the hours of sitting on the edge of the couch listening to Rachael, wondering what Mueller knows, after all the cussing, pissing and moaning, I feel the American public has the right to actually know what went down, how it went down, and what the repercussions should be. This is epic groundbreaking information, and “ WE THE PEOPLE” CAN HANDLE IT!

After all of the bullshit, fiascos, and scandals that have emanated from the mouth of this farce of a so called President and his complicit band of gypsies, no news could be any more damaging or disruptive. However, nothing would be more assuring to “we the people” than to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.”

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:44 PM

66. Fan fiction

Schindler, Mensch, etc., just making up fan fiction. I wish folks would stop posting this garbage on DU.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:47 PM

67. The Michael Cohen Prague claim came from the Dossier, not Mueller.

Maybe Cohen's passport went to Prague, but not Cohen?

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:28 PM

70. Nail that bastard!

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:27 PM

72. K&R, thanks for posting, applegrove

Thanks also to Observer.com

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:35 PM

73. FIRE THE TORPEDOS

This bullshit nightmare needs to end...

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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:53 PM

74. Crazy world. McCain, Republican Mueller, and the NSA are our biggest heros. nt

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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:59 AM

79. K&R

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