Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:47 PM

Yosemito (648 posts)

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez responds to Whoopi's request that she sit back

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez responds to Whoopi's request that she sit back (Original post)	Yosemito	Jan 2019	OP
one thing's for sure she isn't taking any crap from anyone....	a kennedy	Jan 2019	#1
No shrinking violet she. n/t	PoliticAverse	Jan 2019	#9
i like that too - she responded perfectly	onetexan	Jan 2019	#79
a polite and appropriate response	Hermit-The-Prog	Jan 2019	#103
k&r	bigtree	Jan 2019	#2
Put the microphone down, Whoopi.	guillaumeb	Jan 2019	#3
You sure put Whoopie in her place.	comradebillyboy	Jan 2019	#29
I am certain that Whoopi's self esteem will not suffer.	guillaumeb	Jan 2019	#73
I can appreciate why she was defensive in her response, but...	hlthe2b	Jan 2019	#4
In other words, you want her to sit back	Yosemito	Jan 2019	#5
Exactly NOT what I said nor what I think. I do NOT appreciate your putting words in my "mouth"	hlthe2b	Jan 2019	#8
Funny how anyone who expresses less than slavish devotion to AOC	EffieBlack	Jan 2019	#21
I can appreciate why you were defensive in your response, but...	eggplant	Jan 2019	#56
Thank you for "playing"... Your Mom's calling now...	hlthe2b	Jan 2019	#59
Translation	ehrnst	Jan 2019	#33
You are charcterizing this as defensiveness. Frankly, she's just making a solid case for why she	JCanete	Jan 2019	#6
Whoopie's not a "pol"	zipplewrath	Jan 2019	#7
What specifically leads you allege "defensive in her response?"	LanternWaste	Jan 2019	#13
What the heck does Goldberg know about politics and being in office?	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 2019	#15
Like all of us here, she has the right to her opinion. Whoopi is not malicious nor a RWer	hlthe2b	Jan 2019	#18
Sure she does. But let's not pretend that Whoopi knows the job better than AOC.	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 2019	#30
You don't have to care about what anyone thinks. But obviously, you do, given your need to disparage	hlthe2b	Jan 2019	#32
AOC does not know the job yet.	murielm99	Jan 2019	#37
Neither does Whoopie. So why listen to her?	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 2019	#42
And neither do you.	murielm99	Jan 2019	#51
Of course I don't	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 2019	#57
Which is why, unlike Whoopie, she's not giving advice to AOC. n/t.	whathehell	Jan 2019	#88
People on this board regularly offer opinions as to what Pelosi, Schumer, Warren, B.Sanders, etc etc	onenote	Jan 2019	#99
Here's the difference: The people on this board don't have	whathehell	Jan 2019	#122
This	sheshe2	Jan 2019	#98
On the job learning.	Traildogbob	Jan 2019	#49
What does 45 have to do with	murielm99	Jan 2019	#52
Totally agree with you	Charlotte Little	Jan 2019	#64
It is interesting how real discussion stops	murielm99	Jan 2019	#68
Yes... and sadly...	hlthe2b	Jan 2019	#71
Now, apparently, no one	murielm99	Jan 2019	#163
Well	Charlotte Little	Jan 2019	#74
I agree. For someone who was elected as the youngest woman ever elected to Congress, her youth is	politicaljunkie41910	Jan 2019	#75
I bet she knows it better than Whoopie..	whathehell	Jan 2019	#86
I bet she knows the job better than everyone that's saying she needs to learn the job	Autumn	Jan 2019	#105
You all know the job well enough to assure everyone that AOC doesn't know the job?	Autumn	Jan 2019	#104
That is not the argument.	murielm99	Jan 2019	#139
That obviously is the argument	melman	Jan 2019	#140
Go twist someone else's words.	murielm99	Jan 2019	#141
That's exactly the argument you and others are making. She needs to keep quiet and learn, she	Autumn	Jan 2019	#150
If being a Member of Congress were the prerequisite to expressing an opinion or	EffieBlack	Jan 2019	#117
People can say whatever they want. Doesn't mean we have to praise them like they know something.	Cuthbert Allgood	Jan 2019	#130
+1000000, Effie.	murielm99	Jan 2019	#142
Oh!	aka-chmeee	Jan 2019	#81
Why would you even mention Whoopie and Hannity in the same sentence?	pangaia	Jan 2019	#16
Really? Given some here are taking her benign criticism the same as Hannity's.... Really?	hlthe2b	Jan 2019	#20
Discussing her 'benign' criticism vs other Democrats' criticisms is a much better comparison.	pangaia	Jan 2019	#26
the knee-jerk attacks on Whoopi demonstrate the point...	hlthe2b	Jan 2019	#27
Actually I think her response to Whoopi's was not insulting in the least	lunatica	Jan 2019	#19
In no place nor manner did I say it (AOC's tweet) was "insulting".	hlthe2b	Jan 2019	#23
I think she handled it very well	scarytomcat	Jan 2019	#43
Yes, her response doesn't match what Whoopi was saying,	R B Garr	Jan 2019	#58
I am starting to suffer from AOC fatigue.	aka-chmeee	Jan 2019	#115
I'm suffering more from AOC fan fatigue than actual fatigue of her	EffieBlack	Jan 2019	#118
I'm with you.	Boomerproud	Jan 2019	#119
PLEASE watch her interview with Rachel last night - it was anything but	bullwinkle428	Jan 2019	#151
I'd like to know how you figure that	TheFarseer	Jan 2019	#116
I agree with you.	defacto7	Jan 2019	#85
Well said, I agree	Tumbulu	Jan 2019	#134
She wasn't defensive at all.	KPN	Jan 2019	#148
We need fighters!!! What else is there to say? nt	SWBTATTReg	Jan 2019	#10
+ 1,000,000	LiberalLovinLug	Jan 2019	#11
Thank you Congresswoman!	mountain grammy	Jan 2019	#12
I've been saying that for the longest time...	Stellar	Jan 2019	#46
Yep me too.	mountain grammy	Jan 2019	#54
Is it mandatory that all Republican teevee pundits be overweight?	Ligyron	Jan 2019	#138
You go girl	malaise	Jan 2019	#14
weird vocab	Blues Heron	Jan 2019	#17
At least you found something.	Iggo	Jan 2019	#24
He gets a "A" for effort.	John Fante	Jan 2019	#28
Sit back and learn the vocabulary!	Yosemito	Jan 2019	#34
It's short for "elected leaders". Surely you've heard this phrase	John Fante	Jan 2019	#25
I've never voted for a leader in my life	jberryhill	Jan 2019	#55
That's nice.	John Fante	Jan 2019	#76
When did I criticize or attack anyone?	jberryhill	Jan 2019	#80
Brava!	demmiblue	Jan 2019	#22
Well said AOC!	Power 2 the People	Jan 2019	#31
she is a fighter; I wish more dems would be like her	AlexSFCA	Jan 2019	#35
Agreed in full!	TSheehan	Jan 2019	#169
Joan of Arc leading the charge...	jalan48	Jan 2019	#36
I usually love Whoopi's perspective, but she's out of her lane.	pdsimdars	Jan 2019	#38
AOC is "introducing" herself to the nation.	grumpyduck	Jan 2019	#39
your class was elected primarily to oppose Trump	qazplm135	Jan 2019	#40
A very circuitous	PDittie	Jan 2019	#152
I'm sorry you had trouble	qazplm135	Jan 2019	#157
Sigh	Tech	Jan 2019	#41
Zip	Bigredhunk	Jan 2019	#44
Whoopi needs to shut up. I saw her true colors a The View taping..nt	helpisontheway	Jan 2019	#45
Whoopi hates tax increases on the RICH	mchill	Jan 2019	#53
Exactly	RandiFan1290	Jan 2019	#72
Let's be honest, nobody likes taxes but we all do what	ecstatic	Jan 2019	#102
i have seen her raggin about taxes and the govt taking HER money too	questionseverything	Jan 2019	#108
I can't stomach The View, but figured that Whoopi being so condescending...	SMC22307	Jan 2019	#121
Sorry. There's nothing "bold" or "creative" or "positive" about denigrating Democrats...	NurseJackie	Jan 2019	#47
I saw her referred to as a 'celebrity' on twitter yesterday	nini	Jan 2019	#77
It's good to know I'm not alone in my observations and perceptions.	NurseJackie	Jan 2019	#87
When has she denigrated dems or said any of those things?	Palisade	Jan 2019	#126
Two very good questions	melman	Jan 2019	#127
Welcome to DU.	ehrnst	Jan 2019	#166
This is an adult response - good for AOC!	RainCaster	Jan 2019	#48
You should sit down and listen Whoopi. AOC knows as much about her job as you know about yours.	Autumn	Jan 2019	#50
Whoopie, take the L and walk away....	SKKY	Jan 2019	#60
That's exactly what Whoopi was saying, "do something". Did you see her 2 min. talk yesterday?	George II	Jan 2019	#82
Stop eating each other	Hulk	Jan 2019	#61
+1000	hlthe2b	Jan 2019	#63
+1000	pazzyanne	Jan 2019	#107
Whoopi was wrong on this one	marlakay	Jan 2019	#62
She was right. She was giving some very good advice.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2019	#67
Do you know how fast these kids can tweet?	marlakay	Jan 2019	#69
How ridiculous is that?	Mariana	Jan 2019	#96
Who is OAC?	tonedevil	Jan 2019	#78
Interesting...	Honeycombe8	Jan 2019	#89
Someone with tens of thousands of posts...	tonedevil	Jan 2019	#110
Ohio Athletic Conference? Online Archive of California? On Approved Credit?	aidbo	Jan 2019	#83
Opinionated Antelope Circus?	left-of-center2012	Jan 2019	#124
Who is OAC? nt	RandiFan1290	Jan 2019	#90
AOC not OAC	crazycatlady	Jan 2019	#155
Fighting on too many fronts insures defeat. The first and foremost front is	SayItLoud	Jan 2019	#65
She needs something to do with her time. And a list of priorities.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2019	#66
bullshit. It is. People are deciding how they feel about politicians,	JCanete	Jan 2019	#143
We agree to disagree. I'm waiting for her to DO something.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2019	#147
It isn't easy to promote politics that way. Its actually rife with challenges. Which is why the	JCanete	Jan 2019	#164
Sponsor a bill. Work to get other reps in favor of it.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2019	#171
Snap out of it, people.	Fuzzpope	Jan 2019	#70
She clearly oversimplified what Whoopi Goldberg said yesterday. I suggest people watch it.	George II	Jan 2019	#84
"this woman"	aidbo	Jan 2019	#91
When we're referring to each other, my wife says "this man" and I say "this woman"....	George II	Jan 2019	#92
Just enjoying the hypocrisy! Carry on, this person!	aidbo	Jan 2019	#106
Really?	melman	Jan 2019	#109
AOC has this right.	ZX86	Jan 2019	#93
That tweet has nothing to do with Whoopi Goldberg or what she said yesterday...	George II	Jan 2019	#94
Right, Whoopi said she should 'sit still'	nilram	Jan 2019	#97
If only the rest of the party had the stiff back bone of this 26 year old lady .	geretogo	Jan 2019	#95
Generational divide issue???	carleigh86	Jan 2019	#100
Yep....	LovingA2andMI	Jan 2019	#131
This GenXer loves her	hueymahl	Jan 2019	#160
Again, it was stated...	LovingA2andMI	Jan 2019	#167
I...	myohmy2	Jan 2019	#101
I'm reminded of all the well-meaning white people	PoindexterOglethorpe	Jan 2019	#111
Wow	EffieBlack	Jan 2019	#120
Be patient. Wait in line. Don't worry that the line isn't moving at all.	PoindexterOglethorpe	Jan 2019	#156
If Whoopi had said that, you'd have a point	EffieBlack	Jan 2019	#158
Kind of condescending, especially since it is a gross generalization	hueymahl	Jan 2019	#162
Which makes what Whoopie said even more surprising. (n/t)	SMC22307	Jan 2019	#133
Well put. The similarities in language are remarkable.	hueymahl	Jan 2019	#161
Damn straight. Nt	TheFarseer	Jan 2019	#112
AOC is A-OK! n/t	JoeOtterbein	Jan 2019	#113
The Most Honorable Ocasio-Cortez has been busy	RambleTamble	Jan 2019	#114
Cortez, not Cortex. I love that she doesn't shrink from right-wing bullshit.	SMC22307	Jan 2019	#125
Telling a woman to "sit still" is off-the-charts rude...	SMC22307	Jan 2019	#123
I don't post much these days, but I just have to say that I agree with her	bhikkhu	Jan 2019	#128
Sounds like a politician. :-)	fleabiscuit	Jan 2019	#129
Everybody's a critic. When did Whoopi ever run for public office? Oh, that's right, she hasn't.	YOHABLO	Jan 2019	#132
Yep. She is doing just fine.	BeckyDem	Jan 2019	#135
I agree with Whoppi. Doesn't mean you do nothing.	Laura PourMeADrink	Jan 2019	#136
She's a	bdamomma	Jan 2019	#137
K and R	Quixote1818	Jan 2019	#144
AOC	Icanthinkformyself	Jan 2019	#145
Hurray AOC	Raine	Jan 2019	#146
Kudos AOC	randr	Jan 2019	#149
Interesting Thread. Disturbing, but interesting	hueymahl	Jan 2019	#153
This....	quickesst	Jan 2019	#154
Goldberg is correct...	Chicago1980	Jan 2019	#159
No.	TSheehan	Jan 2019	#170
And she said "sit still FOR A MINUTE". People leave out those last three words for some reason.	George II	Jan 2019	#172
We Need Action	colsohlibgal	Jan 2019	#165
My response would be, "Shut up and let the younger generation take it from here."	TSheehan	Jan 2019	#168

Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:49 PM

a kennedy (27,189 posts)

1. one thing's for sure she isn't taking any crap from anyone....

kinda like that really.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:55 PM

PoliticAverse (26,366 posts)

9. No shrinking violet she. n/t

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:00 PM

onetexan (11,723 posts)

79. i like that too - she responded perfectly

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Response to onetexan (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:09 PM

Hermit-The-Prog (27,277 posts)

103. a polite and appropriate response

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:49 PM

bigtree (82,992 posts)

2. k&r

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:50 PM

guillaumeb (42,641 posts)

3. Put the microphone down, Whoopi.

And listen.

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Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:25 PM

comradebillyboy (9,739 posts)

29. You sure put Whoopie in her place.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:48 PM

guillaumeb (42,641 posts)

73. I am certain that Whoopi's self esteem will not suffer.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:51 PM

hlthe2b (96,631 posts)

4. I can appreciate why she was defensive in her response, but...

I think she still needs to appreciate that not all criticism nor expressed concern is meant to attack her.

There is a difference between comments emanating from someone like Whoopi Goldberg and that from Sean Hannity and his ilck. I'd hope she'd treat comments from these opposite polls a bit differently.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:53 PM

Yosemito (648 posts)

5. In other words, you want her to sit back

And not respond to Whoopi's empty advice.

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:54 PM

hlthe2b (96,631 posts)

8. Exactly NOT what I said nor what I think. I do NOT appreciate your putting words in my "mouth"

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:16 PM

EffieBlack (14,249 posts)

21. Funny how anyone who expresses less than slavish devotion to AOC

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is immediately accused of telling her to sit down and shut up.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:10 PM

eggplant (3,673 posts)

56. I can appreciate why you were defensive in your response, but...

I think you still need to appreciate that not all criticism nor expressed concern is meant to attack you.

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Response to eggplant (Reply #56)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:14 PM

hlthe2b (96,631 posts)

59. Thank you for "playing"... Your Mom's calling now...

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:28 PM

ehrnst (32,640 posts)

33. Translation

You're pretty angry at Whoopi for disagreeing with you about AOC. Your didn't find the advice "empty."

And she's not the enemy;

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:54 PM

JCanete (5,272 posts)

6. You are charcterizing this as defensiveness. Frankly, she's just making a solid case for why she

won't and shouldn't shut up. She heard the criticism or "advice" from Whoopi and responded appropriately.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 03:54 PM

zipplewrath (16,565 posts)

7. Whoopie's not a "pol"

And really, I didn't find it all that defensive. Explanatory would be a better word.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:08 PM

LanternWaste (37,748 posts)

13. What specifically leads you allege "defensive in her response?"

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:09 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,371 posts)

15. What the heck does Goldberg know about politics and being in office?

Let AOC do her job. How about that?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:14 PM

hlthe2b (96,631 posts)

18. Like all of us here, she has the right to her opinion. Whoopi is not malicious nor a RWer

Get a clue. Sometimes our best allies may disagree with us or our approach. That doesn't make the correct nor does it make them the enemy. But, it MIGHT, just MIGHT offer something useful if we don't conflate it with that from our obvious enemies.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:25 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,371 posts)

30. Sure she does. But let's not pretend that Whoopi knows the job better than AOC.

Because she doesn't. The only thing she has going for her in this regard is her age. And no experience to go along with it in Congress. So, ultimately, who cares what she thinks. AOC was elected for a pretty clear purpose. She's doing that. DU should love that, but for some reason, many don't seem to.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:28 PM

hlthe2b (96,631 posts)

32. You don't have to care about what anyone thinks. But obviously, you do, given your need to disparage

whoopi in such an ugly way. To wit: "The only thing she has going for her in this regard is her age." Damn, how ugly.

I like and respect AOC. Her most fervent fans, however seem incapable of defending her without attacking even her natural allies.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:34 PM

murielm99 (29,663 posts)

37. AOC does not know the job yet.

And I don't see how she will learn the job unless she sits down and listens, like most of the other freshman Congresspeople seem to be doing.

She was elected for a clear purpose? I doubt that the purpose was to be in the limelight every day. The purpose was to legislate.

I wanted to like this woman. She makes that tougher every day.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:44 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,371 posts)

42. Neither does Whoopie. So why listen to her?

AOC has a two year term. What percentage of that term do you think she should spend sitting down and listening?

So, how about a thought experiment. Let's say Clinton won the Presidency. Let's say right after taking office some guy on TV who has never held a political office said that Clinton should just calm down and learn the job first before doing anything. How would that go over here?

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:01 PM

murielm99 (29,663 posts)

51. And neither do you.

Why listen to you? Why are you allowed to have an opinion, on a political discussion board, of all places.

Why vote? None of us know anything about holding office. Why bother?

As far as what people say or have said about Clinton, plenty of people told her to sit down and shut up after 45 "won."

One of them was a guy who pimps his numerous books on late night television. He had just written a book about politics that was a YA book. He was on Colbert. He said that yes, Mrs. Clinton should go home and be quiet. Those were the words: be quiet.

The guy saying this was Bernie Sanders.

I don't understand why so many people here are defensive about this woman. Other Democratic office holders are criticized here without causing all the defensiveness.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #51)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:11 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,371 posts)

57. Of course I don't

AOC absolutely shouldn't listen to me. Unless it's about English or Communication where I hold degrees.

Pretty big jump there to voting, though. I can vote because I know what policies I want and I (theoretically) know what policies the person I'm voting for will advocate.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #51)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:11 PM

whathehell (27,902 posts)

88. Which is why, unlike Whoopie, she's not giving advice to AOC. n/t.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #88)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:45 PM

onenote (39,449 posts)

99. People on this board regularly offer opinions as to what Pelosi, Schumer, Warren, B.Sanders, etc etc

should be doing, without any of those offering opinions having a lick of experience in doing what those folks do.

And that's fine.

Which is why it's fine that Whoopi offers her opinion. One can disagree with it, but if the standard for rejecting opinions is that the person offering it doesn't have the same experience as the person at whom the opinion is directed, this board would dry up and blow away.

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Response to onenote (Reply #99)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:57 PM

whathehell (27,902 posts)

122. Here's the difference: The people on this board don't have

national name recognition in addition to a national microphone.

That said, Whoppie G. has a right to her opinion, and the public has a right to question her level of expertise on the subject and subsequently evaluate the value of that opinion. That's about the beginning and end of it.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #51)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:45 PM

sheshe2 (78,262 posts)

98. This

All this, thank you murielm.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:01 PM

Traildogbob (6,741 posts)

49. On the job learning.

So glad that the oranges ass sat back and learned the job before he made himself the limelight. Be Best!

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #49)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:03 PM

murielm99 (29,663 posts)

52. What does 45 have to do with

legitimate criticism of a freshman Congress person?

Be best yourself, dearie.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:29 PM

Charlotte Little (658 posts)

64. Totally agree with you

AOC has rubbed me the wrong way since she campaigned with Sanders for Brent Welder. Not to mention that she DOES get her facts wrong. She keeps that and jumping into the limelight constantly up and the Sarah Palin comparison will stick.

Whoopi has every right to give her opinion about ANY politician. The View is an opinion talk show. And Whoopi constantly gives her two cents about Trump and how (horrific) he's doing as POTUS. So, it's fair game for her to offer advice to AOC.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #64)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:37 PM

murielm99 (29,663 posts)

68. It is interesting how real discussion stops

and ad hominem attacks start whenever anyone criticizes AOC. It does not have to be Whoopi. It can be a DU member, a member of the press, anyone at all.

This woman is not above criticism. No one is.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #68)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:47 PM

hlthe2b (96,631 posts)

71. Yes... and sadly...

there is a level of sycophancy not typical among those on the Left, but far more reminiscent of the blind loyalty of many on the "right" .

I am all for supporting our Dems, but I'd hope we can do so without blinders on. Constructive criticism is not "attacking".

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #71)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:03 PM

murielm99 (29,663 posts)

163. Now, apparently, no one

is allowed to criticize AOC unless they are a member of Congress. Nobody knows the job but members of Congress, so we all have to shut up!!!

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #68)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:52 PM

Charlotte Little (658 posts)

74. Well

Without starting WWII on this forum, I'd argue that this is the MO of the more progressive crowd. They are pertinaciously determined to protect their causes and those who they believe will enact change. I feel as though Bernie Sanders has been defended way too aggressively on more than one occasion as well.

AOC holds promise but only if she learns the job and doesn't immediately keep pushing radical change out the gate, change she can't yet legislate. I don't view that as criticism of her, just a realistic take.

CEOs have been "resigned" within a year of being hired for trying to pull companies too far in a new direction too fast or without respecting institutional norms and knowledge. So, no one should be shocked that there is already a chorus of voices (some odious, some innocuous) calling on her to learn the ropes. Totally expected.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:57 PM

politicaljunkie41910 (3,335 posts)

75. I agree. For someone who was elected as the youngest woman ever elected to Congress, her youth is

showing. I don't doubt her intelligence, but she doesn't know everything at her age. I want her to succeed because when she succeeds, she contributes to the Democratic Party's success, and vice versa. But she was sent to Washington to do the people's business; not perform for the cameras. She's one of 435 voting members of the House and should be proud of her accomplishments. But she can learn a lot from the women who are already there, so I hope she will reach out to some of the older women Representatives and vice versa and not presume that they have nothing to offer because they've been there too long.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:06 PM

whathehell (27,902 posts)

86. I bet she knows it better than Whoopie..

She may 'need to listen", to someone, but not to Whoopie Goldberg.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #86)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:21 PM

Autumn (42,599 posts)

105. I bet she knows the job better than everyone that's saying she needs to learn the job

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:11 PM

Autumn (42,599 posts)

104. You all know the job well enough to assure everyone that AOC doesn't know the job?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #104)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:43 AM

murielm99 (29,663 posts)

139. That is not the argument.

That is not what I said, or what anyone else said. SHE is the one who needs to listen and learn. We don't need to learn the job, because we are not newly elected Congress people. It is about what she needs to do, not us.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #139)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:49 AM

melman (7,681 posts)

140. That obviously is the argument

If you're so sure she doesn't know, then that must mean you do know. Otherwise how would you know she doesn't know?

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Response to melman (Reply #140)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:51 AM

murielm99 (29,663 posts)

141. Go twist someone else's words.

I don't have time for you.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #139)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:27 AM

Autumn (42,599 posts)

150. That's exactly the argument you and others are making. She needs to keep quiet and learn, she

needs to sit down and learn she needs to listen and learn. That's the argument being used against her. Yeah you're not newly elected Congress people, she is. And she knows the job more than anyone here that is saying over and over that she needs to listen and learn.

edited to add

Unless of course we have a lot of Congresspeople that post here incognito that know the job better than her and have the knowledge of the job to say they know she needs to sit down and learn

Oh who am I kidding sour grapes are not fine wine.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:00 PM

EffieBlack (14,249 posts)

117. If being a Member of Congress were the prerequisite to expressing an opinion or

offering advice to any Member, a whole lot of people around here would have to STFU.

And if the degree to which someone knows what it's like to be in Congress were the only factor determining credibility, AOC's one week on the job wouldn't give her any basis for criticizing or questioning longer serving Members who surely know considerably more about the job than she does.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #117)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:58 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,371 posts)

130. People can say whatever they want. Doesn't mean we have to praise them like they know something.

If I say something here, people agree and disagree with me. I have as much knowledge of being Representative as Whoopi does. Probably more given that my minor for my Master's was Poli Sci. Which still amounts to basically nothing.

AOC has two years in office. Less than that left. What percentage of that term should she shut and listen for in your opinion? When can she start talking?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #117)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:52 AM

murielm99 (29,663 posts)

142. +1000000, Effie.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:00 PM

aka-chmeee (1,094 posts)

81. Oh!

So she stayed in a Holiday Inn Express recently?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:13 PM

pangaia (24,324 posts)

16. Why would you even mention Whoopie and Hannity in the same sentence?

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Response to pangaia (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:15 PM

hlthe2b (96,631 posts)

20. Really? Given some here are taking her benign criticism the same as Hannity's.... Really?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:19 PM

pangaia (24,324 posts)

26. Discussing her 'benign' criticism vs other Democrats' criticisms is a much better comparison.

And more worthy of discussion.
Who gives a fuck what the likes of Hannity say.

Nor me, that;s for sure.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:20 PM

hlthe2b (96,631 posts)

27. the knee-jerk attacks on Whoopi demonstrate the point...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:15 PM

lunatica (53,410 posts)

19. Actually I think her response to Whoopi's was not insulting in the least

She explained what her motivation is. It was even respectful.

Unlike Whoopie’s comment calling Ocasio-Cortes a “poopy” mouth.

I’m old enough to remember lots of people being critical of Whoopi when she first started her career as a comedienne. They didn’t like the way she dressed or the way she wore her hair and many claimed she was giving a very bad image of Black women. I distinctly recall she was a guest on a talk show and someone on the phone told her how she should dress and the damage she was causing.

I guess she’s forgotten.

This in no way makes me dislike Whoopi who I think has done a great job.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:17 PM

hlthe2b (96,631 posts)

23. In no place nor manner did I say it (AOC's tweet) was "insulting".

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:57 PM

scarytomcat (1,706 posts)

43. I think she handled it very well

I have been waiting for someone to speak-up
I thought Obama would but he really didn't
if her constituents don't like it she will be gone soon enough

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:12 PM

R B Garr (16,533 posts)

58. Yes, her response doesn't match what Whoopi was saying,

which just makes Whoopi’s case again.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #58)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:55 PM

aka-chmeee (1,094 posts)

115. I am starting to suffer from AOC fatigue.

Experienced many over the years who showed up and knew it all. Best course of action was just to let them fashion their own petard and watch the hoisting. She shows that narcissism can infect both ends of a spectrum.

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Response to aka-chmeee (Reply #115)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:06 PM

EffieBlack (14,249 posts)

118. I'm suffering more from AOC fan fatigue than actual fatigue of her

She's feeling her way and occasionally leans too far out over her skis, which is to be expected and is fine as long as she's willing to learn. Some of her fans are just bizarre in their slavish devotion and kneejerk, over-the-top reactions to anything they see as less than worship of their hero. I just hope she's not letting them influence how she does her job or she'll end up as just a "Remember Her?" flash-in-the-pan instead of the strong, exciting leader she has the potential to be.

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Response to aka-chmeee (Reply #115)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:06 PM

Boomerproud (6,833 posts)

119. I'm with you.

The ball is in her court. She says she can do something. Do something.

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Response to aka-chmeee (Reply #115)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:29 AM

bullwinkle428 (20,579 posts)

151. PLEASE watch her interview with Rachel last night - it was anything but

"narcissistic".

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #58)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:58 PM

TheFarseer (9,248 posts)

116. I'd like to know how you figure that

Whoopi said she needs to sit down and be quiet and learn the system.

AOC said she was elected to cause change now-not sit back and learn how the system - that her constituents evidently don’t like - works. I have no idea how this is not a proper response.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:06 PM

defacto7 (13,485 posts)

85. I agree with you.

and there's no reason why AOC should not do exactly as she stated here and follow Whoopi's advice at the same time.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 11:29 PM

Tumbulu (6,036 posts)

134. Well said, I agree

Thanks👏

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:17 AM

KPN (14,706 posts)

148. She wasn't defensive at all.

Quite the opposite actually.

Whoopi should mind her own house better before criticizing others.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:04 PM

SWBTATTReg (19,544 posts)

10. We need fighters!!! What else is there to say? nt

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:06 PM

LiberalLovinLug (13,705 posts)

11. + 1,000,000

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:07 PM

mountain grammy (25,307 posts)

12. Thank you Congresswoman!

maybe those telling you to listen need to do some listening themselves.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:59 PM

Stellar (5,644 posts)

46. I've been saying that for the longest time...

Even Kamala Harris said this morning on The View that she thought it was good that AOC was challenging the status quo, and she thinks that its fantastic. I hope Whoopi was paying attention.

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Response to Stellar (Reply #46)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:04 PM

mountain grammy (25,307 posts)

54. Yep me too.

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Response to Stellar (Reply #46)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:29 AM

Ligyron (7,039 posts)

138. Is it mandatory that all Republican teevee pundits be overweight?

Asking for a friend who thinks that might just be bad for their health and a poor role model for kids.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:08 PM

malaise (254,664 posts)

14. You go girl

Rec

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:13 PM

Blues Heron (4,838 posts)

17. weird vocab

Organize the election? New leaders? You're a representative not a leader.

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:17 PM

Iggo (46,454 posts)

24. At least you found something.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:21 PM

John Fante (3,479 posts)

28. He gets a "A" for effort.

Whoopi just falsely implies that AOC "pooped" on senators Lewis and Feinstein with little pushback.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:29 PM

Yosemito (648 posts)

34. Sit back and learn the vocabulary!

They’re trying.

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:18 PM

John Fante (3,479 posts)

25. It's short for "elected leaders". Surely you've heard this phrase

before, yes?

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Response to John Fante (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:06 PM

jberryhill (62,444 posts)

55. I've never voted for a leader in my life

I've voted for lots of elected officials.

I've never voted for, nor wanted, a "leader".

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:57 PM

John Fante (3,479 posts)

76. That's nice.

It is common to use words like "leaders", "elected leaders", or "appointed leaders" to describe elected/unelected officials. "Leader of the free world" is commonly used to describe the POTUS as well.

It is the height of nitpicking to criticize AOC for using the word "leader" in a tweet. You may as well attack her for her Breakfast Club dance.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #76)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:00 PM

jberryhill (62,444 posts)

80. When did I criticize or attack anyone?

I like AOC, but I don't givashit who uses the word "leader". I never voted for one.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:17 PM

demmiblue (35,455 posts)

22. Brava!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:26 PM

Power 2 the People (2,437 posts)

31. Well said AOC!

Bravo!!!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:32 PM

AlexSFCA (6,086 posts)

35. she is a fighter; I wish more dems would be like her

she never lets snabs against her unchallenged; She is a rising superstar and future of our party. Fearless, bold, highly educated on important issues and most, perharps, most important - politically savvy cause she connects directly to voters bypassing everyone.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:25 PM

TSheehan (277 posts)

169. Agreed in full!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:33 PM

jalan48 (13,692 posts)

36. Joan of Arc leading the charge...

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:34 PM

pdsimdars (6,007 posts)

38. I usually love Whoopi's perspective, but she's out of her lane.

Probably for the same reason Cenk went after that Vermont newspaper that told Bernie not to run.
I think some of these people should STFU and let THE PEOPLE decide what WE want.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:34 PM

grumpyduck (5,348 posts)

39. AOC is "introducing" herself to the nation.

She's being forced to show who and what she is, so she has three choices:

One, don't respond at all. Sends one message.

Two, respond in a politically correct or timid matter. Sends a different message.

Three, respond the way she's doing it. Sends still a different message.

She's made her choice as to message. She may refine it as time passes, but IMHO, she's doing exactly what she needs to do right now.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:39 PM

qazplm135 (7,425 posts)

40. your class was elected primarily to oppose Trump

it was a referendum on him.

I'm sure there are individual races that might have had individual animating influences other than Trump, but on the whole, this was a Trump election, not a "lead differently, propose bold ideas" yadda yadda yadda.

You are one of 435. You are not first among equals. I think a majority of voters are not looking for folks to pee into the tent as the old saying goes so much as they are looking at folks to stop Trump.

Whoppi wasn't saying do nothing and sit down and shut up, she was saying please recognize that maybe you don't know everything and be willing to listen at least as much as you speak...which is good advice for anyone of any age in any situation.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #40)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:08 AM

PDittie (8,322 posts)

152. A very circuitous

and somewhat obtuse criticism of a Democratic politician.

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Response to PDittie (Reply #152)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:19 PM

qazplm135 (7,425 posts)

157. I'm sorry you had trouble

understanding it, feel free to ask questions.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:42 PM

Tech (1,606 posts)

41. Sigh

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:58 PM

Bigredhunk (1,288 posts)

44. Zip

Shut yer' yap Whoopi. Save your barbs for that McCain airhead.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:58 PM

helpisontheway (4,884 posts)

45. Whoopi needs to shut up. I saw her true colors a The View taping..nt

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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #45)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:03 PM

mchill (921 posts)

53. Whoopi hates tax increases on the RICH

Above all else. Watched The View enough (in the past) to know this about her. She’s a got a bit of that NIMBY attitude.

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Response to mchill (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:47 PM

RandiFan1290 (6,151 posts)

72. Exactly

Another in the 1% scared to death of paying their fair share.

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Response to mchill (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:08 PM

ecstatic (30,812 posts)

102. Let's be honest, nobody likes taxes but we all do what

we have to do and vote for policies that could lead to a better life for everyone.

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Response to mchill (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:56 PM

questionseverything (9,159 posts)

108. i have seen her raggin about taxes and the govt taking HER money too

cant believe how this board is dissing a progressive tax plan

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Response to mchill (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:45 PM

SMC22307 (8,040 posts)

121. I can't stomach The View, but figured that Whoopi being so condescending...

to AOC had to be about marginal tax rates.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:59 PM

NurseJackie (42,862 posts)

47. Sorry. There's nothing "bold" or "creative" or "positive" about denigrating Democrats...

Sorry. There's nothing "bold" or "creative" or "positive" about denigrating Democrats with dismissive and divisive rhetoric. No good purpose is served when anyone claims (or suggests) that Democrats are "corrupt" or that Democrats "don't care about climate change" or that Democrats are "too old". That's not leadership.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:58 PM

nini (16,632 posts)

77. I saw her referred to as a 'celebrity' on twitter yesterday

That fits and explains the fascination with her.

I'm over celebrity politicians myself.

I hope she's spending as much time crafting bills to back up her tweets.

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Response to nini (Reply #77)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:09 PM

NurseJackie (42,862 posts)

87. It's good to know I'm not alone in my observations and perceptions.

I hope she's spending as much time crafting bills to back up her tweets.

In all of my mumblety-mumble years I've learned that if I keep my expectations low, then I avoid disappointment. All I'm saying is that I know I won't be disappointed.

I'm over celebrity politicians myself.

Guuuurl, you ain't the only one! Preach!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:03 PM

Palisade (54 posts)

126. When has she denigrated dems or said any of those things?

Why do you get to post outright lies about democrats with impunity?

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Response to Palisade (Reply #126)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:05 PM

melman (7,681 posts)

127. Two very good questions

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Response to Palisade (Reply #126)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:11 PM

ehrnst (32,640 posts)

166. Welcome to DU.

You'll want to get familiar with the support that Democrats get here, and that no Democrat is above criticism.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:59 PM

RainCaster (9,432 posts)

48. This is an adult response - good for AOC!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:01 PM

Autumn (42,599 posts)

50. You should sit down and listen Whoopi. AOC knows as much about her job as you know about yours.

She's doing what she was elected to do, where you do what you get paid to do.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:17 PM

SKKY (11,081 posts)

60. Whoopie, take the L and walk away....

...AOC has shit to do. Let her do it. She was elected. Not you.

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Response to SKKY (Reply #60)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:02 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

82. That's exactly what Whoopi was saying, "do something". Did you see her 2 min. talk yesterday?

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:19 PM

Hulk (6,699 posts)

61. Stop eating each other

There is so much of that on this website. When someone expresses an opinion, inevitably there are a handful that will jump on them implying that they know what they meant or some other garbage. In fact it's bullshit.

Guess we have to just ignore the knowitalls. It does no good and is a waste of time to try to clarify.

You don't like an opinion?...then disagree. Don't try telling me what I'm thinkimg, cause you don't have a fucking clue.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:23 PM

hlthe2b (96,631 posts)

63. +1000

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Response to Hulk (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:44 PM

pazzyanne (5,947 posts)

107. +1000

Thank you!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:22 PM

marlakay (10,554 posts)

62. Whoopi was wrong on this one

She brought up leaders that fought many years ago and are still fighting as her reason for saying it.

Those same leaders when they were young were just like the new leader and the very reason much was done then. Some of those leaders are telling her to back off and putting her in her place. I can’t imagine those same leaders doing that when they were doing the strong fighting.

Also my other issue with bringing up people fighting for years is that is a very tiny percent of congress, most has gotten use to their privilege and needs a kick in the buns.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #62)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:37 PM

Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)

67. She was right. She was giving some very good advice.

Apparently, OAC isn't ready to learn. She will learn sooner or later. Hopefully it'll be sooner.

OAC should be too busy with plans concerning big issues than to tweet to respond to a mild bit of advice by a daytime talk show person, unless she was specifically asked.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:41 PM

marlakay (10,554 posts)

69. Do you know how fast these kids can tweet?

My step daughter around her age has important job in law office and yet tweets, FB etc fast and is quick on her job and one of the best. I couldn’t do it my mind can’t hold so many things at once anymore but the young can.

I believe she is doing her job, tweeting, getting people excited and learning all at same time.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #69)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:34 PM

Mariana (14,473 posts)

96. How ridiculous is that?

We have people who post dozens of times a day here on DU, pretending to believe that AOC spends so much time composing a few tweets that she has no time to do anything else.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:59 PM

tonedevil (3,022 posts)

78. Who is OAC?

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #78)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:14 PM

Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)

89. Interesting...

what people with few posts to their names have to say. Doesn't really add to the conversation, does it?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #89)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:01 PM

tonedevil (3,022 posts)

110. Someone with tens of thousands of posts...

is just as likely to be inaccurate and content free as someone with only a single post. Quantity doesn't equal quality.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:02 PM

aidbo (2,328 posts)

83. Ohio Athletic Conference? Online Archive of California? On Approved Credit?

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Response to aidbo (Reply #83)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:00 PM

left-of-center2012 (34,195 posts)

124. Opinionated Antelope Circus?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:15 PM

RandiFan1290 (6,151 posts)

90. Who is OAC? nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #67)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:03 PM

crazycatlady (4,492 posts)

155. AOC not OAC

And as far as twitter goes-- I can think of a 70 something man who should be busier with other issues, but needs to tweet garbage multiple times a day.

It seems that most of AOC's critics (both here and otherwise) are afraid of the generational shift in politics. She's of a generation that was brought up to multitask. And her generation isn't afraid to question the status quo. Rather than polishing old bullshit and displaying it in a china cabinet, she's calling it out.

She's been on the job for a week. Give her time.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:30 PM

SayItLoud (1,637 posts)

65. Fighting on too many fronts insures defeat. The first and foremost front is

The Fn MORON in the Oral Office. His strategy is; divide to conquer. It has worked and will work. Learn from the past, even recent past like 2 years.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:35 PM

Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)

66. She needs something to do with her time. And a list of priorities.

She needs something to do with her time. And a list of priorities. Responding to Whoopi Goldberg shouldn't be on the list.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #66)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:57 AM

JCanete (5,272 posts)

143. bullshit. It is. People are deciding how they feel about politicians,

how they feel about what those politicians are fighting for, and even, apparently, if those politicians should be vocal or fighting at all. This is a battle for the American consciousness, and not pushing back to voices who absolutely have the power to shape public opinion is simply ceding to a loss.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #143)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:12 AM

Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)

147. We agree to disagree. I'm waiting for her to DO something.

Not just yap her jaw in front of cameras. That's easy. All rock stars do that, when they first become famous at a young age.

Hopefully she'll learn. She can be asset, once she starts doing rather than talking. Hopefully we'll be able to do a list of things she does that affects people's lives.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #147)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:24 PM

JCanete (5,272 posts)

164. It isn't easy to promote politics that way. Its actually rife with challenges. Which is why the

right is continually looking for the chink in her armor. Landmines are constantly set up. Traps of all kinds are set up. Navigating them and maintaining credibility and not damaging the cause you are promoting takes quite a lot of deftness. So does punching back in the public arena.

What pray tell is your version of doing something anyway? Why the assumption that she wont or that one has to come at the cost of the other?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #164)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 04:13 PM

Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)

171. Sponsor a bill. Work to get other reps in favor of it.

Work to get the public in favor of it (as much of the public as possible...not just her fans). Then get it passed.

That takes a lot of work, and a bit of time. Criticizing is easy. Tweeting is easy. Anyone can do that. I assume her district voted for her to DO something.

She can also vote for other reps' bills, in the meantime. I assume she voted for the two bills that the House just sent to the Senate.

If she can't sponsor her own bill, try to get on as a co-sponsor of someone else's bill. She may have to do some work on that, in order to get to become a co-sponsor. However that works. It's not exciting or attention getting. But it is how things get done in Washington.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:45 PM

Fuzzpope (602 posts)

70. Snap out of it, people.

We have the realest, most threatening adversary since Hitler rising like a human mushroom cloud and he means to injure us all in the worst kind of way.

His name isn't Whoopi, or AOC, or (insert forum avatar here), his name is Donald Motherfucker Trump, and every little pot shot or snipe we take at one another weakens us and strengthens him and his enablers.

We cannot afford this. Direct your aggression where it is needed.

Please.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:03 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

84. She clearly oversimplified what Whoopi Goldberg said yesterday. I suggest people watch it.

I wish this woman would be as aggressive at "attacking" republicans as she is Democrats and progressives.

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Response to George II (Reply #84)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:15 PM

aidbo (2,328 posts)

91. "this woman"

Just curious, would you refer to Nancy Pelosi in that way?

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Response to aidbo (Reply #91)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:19 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

92. When we're referring to each other, my wife says "this man" and I say "this woman"....

What's your problem with that? Trying to make it a gender thing now?

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Response to George II (Reply #92)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:24 PM

aidbo (2,328 posts)

106. Just enjoying the hypocrisy! Carry on, this person!

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Response to George II (Reply #92)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:58 PM

melman (7,681 posts)

109. Really?

That's unusual. Most people use names.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:21 PM

ZX86 (1,428 posts)

93. AOC has this right.

She is an elected official. Not some intern. She doesn't need to fetch coffee and nod her head subserviently to a bunch of old, rich, White people for some vague period of time to learn, what? Who's ass needs kissing the most? Who's permission you need to express an opinion? How to always accept Republican framing on every issue?

She was voted into office to make immediate and dramatic change. Not to take garbage advice from a daytime television personality who takes their name from a device that makes fart noises.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:22 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

94. That tweet has nothing to do with Whoopi Goldberg or what she said yesterday...

...it doesn't even mention her.

Why are people trying to make it about what Whoopi said?

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Response to George II (Reply #94)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:40 PM

nilram (2,738 posts)

97. Right, Whoopi said she should 'sit still'

AOC says she’s not going to ‘sit back’. Totally different.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:25 PM

geretogo (1,274 posts)

95. If only the rest of the party had the stiff back bone of this 26 year old lady .

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 06:59 PM

carleigh86 (4 posts)

100. Generational divide issue???

I am a millennial. If I know one thing about myself its that I don't care about seniority in the workplace. Hierarchies are useless to me. And that is how I go about my work.

Maybe the issue we are seeing is difficulties in different generations interacting with one another. It causes tension.

Here's a article from the Financial Times that talks about this:

[link:https://www.ft.com/content/c93ed9b6-87b2-11e5-90de-f44762bf9896|

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Response to carleigh86 (Reply #100)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:59 PM

LovingA2andMI (7,006 posts)

131. Yep....

This Gen-Xers is not a fan of AOC. There are likely those that are however, the generation of respecting ones elders is disappearing, fast. IMHO....

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #131)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:53 PM

hueymahl (2,057 posts)

160. This GenXer loves her

A lot more disappointed with my generation's leaders (and older) than the ones coming up (BHO excluded).

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #160)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 02:16 PM

LovingA2andMI (7,006 posts)

167. Again, it was stated...

Some may, but this one (as in We) most certainly do not.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 07:03 PM

myohmy2 (3,030 posts)

101. I...

...can't argue with that...

...

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:31 PM

PoindexterOglethorpe (24,268 posts)

111. I'm reminded of all the well-meaning white people

who thought that Black people in the 1960's were simply overwrought and needed to be just a bit more patient for things like equal rights.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #111)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:15 PM

EffieBlack (14,249 posts)

120. Wow

Not an apt comparison at all - in fact, it's rather bizarre.

One of the key lessons that black folks preach to other black folks - especially younger, less experienced ones - is to prepare, prepare, prepare before you jump out on Front Street. Watch, listen and learn is not the same as sitting back and doing nothing.

And the white folks you're talking about weren't saying this to the black folks who had just joined the movement. They were telling ALL black people to sit back and be patient and not fight back. That's very different than a young, eager person with little experience being advised by people on their side fighting in the same battle to take some time to learn their turf before trying to take over the movement.

So, please spare us the Civil Rights movement analogy. It's completely misplaced.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #120)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:10 PM

PoindexterOglethorpe (24,268 posts)

156. Be patient. Wait in line. Don't worry that the line isn't moving at all.

Somehow it doesn't matter who is saying it. The message is demeaning and dismissive.

The Democratic party has a real problem with entrenched leadership right now. There's almost zero effort to groom younger people to take over leadership positions down the road. And we see it here with the enthusiasm for septuagenarian Presidential candidates.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #156)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:23 PM

EffieBlack (14,249 posts)

158. If Whoopi had said that, you'd have a point

But there's a world of difference between being told "wait in line" and being advised to "learn your sh*t"

I can't believe I even have to explain to intelligent people that learning the ins and outs of a new job before trying to jump out in front of the pack is essential to success in that position.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #158)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:00 PM

hueymahl (2,057 posts)

162. Kind of condescending, especially since it is a gross generalization

Lots of folks don't like to be challenged. Especially those in power.

Politics is unlike a regular job. Your ability to sway public opinion is the fuel to your power and success. Other avenues to success include back room deal brokering and playing the role of a good soldier. We don't know what she is doing behind the scenes, but I would be willing to bet "being a good soldier" is not one of them.

Time will tell if AOC's strategy is the right one. I, for one, love she is taking risks. I love even more that she is pissing off a lot of the right people, whether they be right wing nuts or crusty old power brokers that think she needs to sit back and learn her shit.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #111)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 11:27 PM

SMC22307 (8,040 posts)

133. Which makes what Whoopie said even more surprising. (n/t)

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #111)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:54 PM

hueymahl (2,057 posts)

161. Well put. The similarities in language are remarkable.

What is confusing is when you hear that language out of Democrats. I would expect it out of Rethugs.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:34 PM

TheFarseer (9,248 posts)

112. Damn straight. Nt

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:50 PM

JoeOtterbein (7,467 posts)

113. AOC is A-OK! n/t

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 08:55 PM

RambleTamble (28 posts)

114. The Most Honorable Ocasio-Cortez has been busy

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Response to RambleTamble (Reply #114)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:01 PM

SMC22307 (8,040 posts)

125. Cortez, not Cortex. I love that she doesn't shrink from right-wing bullshit.

Hell, any bullshit thrown her way, including from Whoopie.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 09:59 PM

SMC22307 (8,040 posts)

123. Telling a woman to "sit still" is off-the-charts rude...

and the hypocrisy from the Whoopie defenders/so-called feminists is astounding. AOC isn't a child and Whoopie was waaaay out of line with her comments. Guess girlfriend doesn't like that proposed marginal tax rate.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:19 PM

bhikkhu (10,648 posts)

128. I don't post much these days, but I just have to say that I agree with her

She got elected into a shitstorm, basically. And it seems she's up to it. I'm not sure there was a time when sitting down, shutting up and learning the job was appropriate advice for someone in congress, but this isn't it.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 10:56 PM

fleabiscuit (4,535 posts)

129. Sounds like a politician. :-)

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 11:25 PM

YOHABLO (7,358 posts)

132. Everybody's a critic. When did Whoopi ever run for public office? Oh, that's right, she hasn't.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 11:43 PM

BeckyDem (7,582 posts)

135. Yep. She is doing just fine.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 11:45 PM

Laura PourMeADrink (41,182 posts)

136. I agree with Whoppi. Doesn't mean you do nothing.

or give up on ideals and desire to shake things up. Just calm down and breathe and learn.

Do not allow this hard fought 2018 victory be defined by anything said in haste.

Reminds me of the management class film with all squares and an over eager circle comes in to make all the squares into circles...they come on so strong and try so hard the squares eventually just turn on them and encompass and absorb them.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2019, 11:49 PM

bdamomma (62,194 posts)

137. She's a

spitfire. Leave her she will do great.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:16 AM

Quixote1818 (27,678 posts)

144. K and R

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:29 AM

Icanthinkformyself (198 posts)

145. AOC

What a magnificent breath of fresh air. We need another 100 of her in Congress.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 04:15 AM

Raine (29,486 posts)

146. Hurray AOC

Good job!!!!

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:25 AM

randr (12,109 posts)

149. Kudos AOC

Whoppi has forgotten how she was received when she first appeared on the scene.
Her first stand up routines were met with much derision. She had the nerve to say words and mention subjects that were considered inappropriate, especially from a woman.
She has been palin around with the wrong people for too long and has gotten a bit overly politically correct.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:39 AM

hueymahl (2,057 posts)

153. Interesting Thread. Disturbing, but interesting

There is a faction on here that is VERY bothered by AOC. It's the same group, over and over, that looks to throw shade on her every chance they get, every thread they stumble across where she is mentioned. Of course, they couch it in terms that they are not "attacking" her, that they support her, just want her to be more of a team player, learn the rules, show more respect, etc.

RIIIIGHT.

To all those who are so very "concerned" - Get used to it. You are looking at the next leader of the Democratic Party.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:42 AM

quickesst (6,247 posts)

154. This....

"The American people did not organize the biggest midterm election in ~100 years so their new leaders could sit back as the nation waits in crisis."

... should remind ocasio-cortez that there's already a capable leader. Her name is Nancy Pelosi. Being designated a leader is not automatic with being elected. It actually takes doing something to earn that recognition. Whoopi Goldberg offered some sage advice which seems to have triggered the non critical thinking aspect of some people to attack a good liberal for offering the advice, which to anyone with common sense would understand said advice was not given to harm ocasio-cortez in any way shape or form. I do not vote for my congressperson to be my leader. I vote for my congressperson to be my representative.

Bottom line? Too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the broth.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:24 PM

Chicago1980 (1,942 posts)