Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:06 PM
TomCADem (16,338 posts)
Vox - Conservatives won't trade the wall for anything good because they know it's a bad idea.
Interesting article that answers the question of why there is no deal to be had: Because it is a stupid idea and Republicans are not going to offer anything worthwhile in exchange for it. Higher taxes on the rich? Nope. Protection for Dreamers? Nope. Thus, despite false equivalency being pushed in the media, Republicans really just want a shutdown and appreciate the cover the media is giving them by pushing a false equivalency.
https://www.vox.com/2018/12/28/18158873/wall-shutdown-trump-dreamers-deal Spending billions of dollars to build hundreds of miles of additional walling — or “steel slats” or whatever you want to call it — on the US-Mexico border is a bad idea. That’s a critical, underrated feature of the current standoff that has led President Trump to partially shut down the government.
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Response to TomCADem (Original post)
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:20 PM
htuttle (23,736 posts)
1. $5 billion isn't even close to enough to actually build it, either
Figuring it would cost at least as much as a freeway per mile, it would cost at least $11 billion.
Where does the $5 billion number even come from? How could Pence have offered $2.5 billion at one point last week? Do they even have a plan? Estimates? Surveying? Building something like that 'for reals' would take at least a decade, planning to bidding to completion. This isn't even about a real wall, I agree. |
Response to htuttle (Reply #1)
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:22 PM
TomCADem (16,338 posts)
2. If Republicans Actually Agreed to Address Dreamers...
...in exchange for the wall, Limbaugh, Coulter and the rest of the Republican racist base would go ballistic. There is no deal, because even Republicans know that the wall is not worth squat.
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Response to TomCADem (Original post)
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:37 PM
Buckeyeblue (3,381 posts)
3. What if we allocated $5 billion for a wall but say work can't begin until 2021
And we put a clause in the bill that states whoever is president in 2021 can unilaterally kill the wall and spend the $5 billion on some other measure to deter illegal immigration.
If 45 pushes back, we just ask if he isn't confident about his reelection chances. |
Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #3)
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 07:29 PM
Blue_true (28,981 posts)