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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:06 PM

Vox - Conservatives won't trade the wall for anything good because they know it's a bad idea.

Interesting article that answers the question of why there is no deal to be had: Because it is a stupid idea and Republicans are not going to offer anything worthwhile in exchange for it. Higher taxes on the rich? Nope. Protection for Dreamers? Nope. Thus, despite false equivalency being pushed in the media, Republicans really just want a shutdown and appreciate the cover the media is giving them by pushing a false equivalency.

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/28/18158873/wall-shutdown-trump-dreamers-deal

Spending billions of dollars to build hundreds of miles of additional walling ó or ďsteel slatsĒ or whatever you want to call it ó on the US-Mexico border is a bad idea. Thatís a critical, underrated feature of the current standoff that has led President Trump to partially shut down the government.

After all, if the president of the United States wants a $5 billion appropriation for a pet project thatís important to him personally and partially fulfills a campaign promise, then he ought to be able to get it. And the time-honored way to get it is to give congressional skeptics something else in exchange. Thatís how the system has worked ever since Alexander Hamilton got James Madison to back federal assumption of state debts in exchange for locating the nationís capital on the banks of the Potomac River.

But back at the beginning of the year, when it seemed as though a compromise involving wall money and a path to citizenship for DREAMers was in the works, it was immigration hardliners in Trumpís own administration who scuttled the deal. Thatís certainly their prerogative, but it underscores the core truth of this standoff: Immigration hardliners themselves donít think the wall is especially useful or important in the real world. If they really wanted a wall, they would go get a wall by offering something ó it wouldnít even necessarily have to be immigration-related ó in exchange for it. But since they know the wall is a bad idea, they wonít trade it for anything. Yet precisely because the wall idea is so bad, Democrats, rightly, arenít going to give it away for free.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:20 PM

1. $5 billion isn't even close to enough to actually build it, either

Figuring it would cost at least as much as a freeway per mile, it would cost at least $11 billion.

Where does the $5 billion number even come from? How could Pence have offered $2.5 billion at one point last week? Do they even have a plan? Estimates? Surveying? Building something like that 'for reals' would take at least a decade, planning to bidding to completion.

This isn't even about a real wall, I agree.


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Response to htuttle (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:22 PM

2. If Republicans Actually Agreed to Address Dreamers...

...in exchange for the wall, Limbaugh, Coulter and the rest of the Republican racist base would go ballistic. There is no deal, because even Republicans know that the wall is not worth squat.

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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:37 PM

3. What if we allocated $5 billion for a wall but say work can't begin until 2021

And we put a clause in the bill that states whoever is president in 2021 can unilaterally kill the wall and spend the $5 billion on some other measure to deter illegal immigration.

If 45 pushes back, we just ask if he isn't confident about his reelection chances.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 07:29 PM

4. Good play. nt

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