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Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:58 PM

FBI will investigate where Trump got made-up Russian history of Afghanistan invasion: Former intel c


Martin Cizmar
04 JAN 2019 AT 23:54 ET

During the televised portion of his cabinet meeting on Wednesday, President Donald Trump delivered a bizarre rant about how the war in Afghanistan led to the collapse of the Society Union which has been widely mocked by American journalists and historians, including even the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial board.

Trump falsely claimed that Russia invaded Afghanistan because “terrorists were going into Russia” and “literally they went bankrupt” as a result.

On Friday, MSNBC’s Brian Williams brought up Trump’s retelling of history with two experts, former FBI assistant director for counterintelligence Frank Figliuzzi and Gen. Barry McCaffrey (Ret.).

“It’s an astonishing assertion by the president,” said McCaffrey. “It sounds as if the talking points are written by the GRU… This is a truly astonishing, ignorant statement by the president.”

More:
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/fbi-will-investigate-trump-got-made-russian-history-afghanistan-invasion-former-intel-chief/?utm_source=push_notifications

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Reply FBI will investigate where Trump got made-up Russian history of Afghanistan invasion: Former intel c (Original post)
Judi Lynn Jan 4 OP
msongs Jan 4 #1
dpibel Jan 5 #6
oberliner Jan 5 #13
dpibel Jan 5 #20
oberliner Jan 5 #21
dpibel Jan 5 #22
oberliner Jan 5 #23
dpibel Jan 5 #24
gristy Jan 5 #36
marble falls Jan 5 #39
dpibel Jan 7 #44
calimary Jan 5 #38
herding cats Jan 5 #7
dpibel Jan 5 #9
herding cats Jan 5 #11
oberliner Jan 5 #14
herding cats Jan 5 #15
oberliner Jan 5 #16
herding cats Jan 5 #17
Liberal In Texas Jan 5 #2
Ilsa Jan 5 #3
Anon-C Jan 5 #4
donkeypoofed Jan 5 #5
xx147258369 Jan 5 #8
ornotna Jan 5 #26
Lars39 Jan 5 #29
dewsgirl Jan 5 #30
herding cats Jan 5 #10
ornotna Jan 5 #28
herding cats Jan 5 #37
Buns_of_Fire Jan 5 #12
Lock him up. Jan 5 #32
Me. Jan 5 #18
tulipsandroses Jan 5 #19
DRoseDARs Jan 5 #25
PJMcK Jan 5 #35
DRoseDARs Jan 5 #41
rusty quoin Jan 5 #27
ariadne0614 Jan 5 #33
2naSalit Jan 5 #31
Achilleaze Jan 5 #34
gratuitous Jan 5 #40
Scurrilous Jan 5 #42
former9thward Jan 5 #43

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:59 PM

1. source is msnbc not rawstory. just watched the whole thing nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:22 AM

6. Yes. Rawstory told you that.

In the article: "On Friday, MSNBC’s Brian Williams brought up Trump’s retelling of history with two experts..."

In the article: "Watch the segment below." With an embedded link to the MSNBC clip.

So I'm wondering who would be confused about the source.

And I'm suspecting you watched the whole thing by clicking on the link. So MSNBC got whatever your click on their link is worth.

I just don't get the Raw Story hate around this place. It's a news digest. It always credits and links to the sources for the original stories.

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Response to dpibel (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:32 AM

13. The embedded link is to a pirated YouTube version of the MSNBC video

Not to MSNBC itself - so they don't get the click.

There is nothing on the page that actually links to the MSNBC website.

That's the way Raw Story operates.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:51 AM

20. You got me, pal

Last edited Mon Jan 7, 2019, 09:05 PM - Edit history (1)

In this case, it appears that rawstory linked to a youtube repost. (How, Oberliner, do you know it's pirated? I mean, I know you know all this stuff, so you must be right. I'm just curious.)

Be that as it may, the clip kinda says "MSNBC Live" down in the lower right hand corner, so I bet a lot of people didn't think it was a rawstory original. But maybe I'm too perspicacious.

Honest, though. What's your hate thing with rawstory. Contrary to what you say, they don't plagiarize. So what is it? They push a lot of news out that I'd never see otherwise.

I understand it's different for you. You seem to be amazingly plugged in to the news, especially a particular kind. So maybe you never see something on rawstory you'd never otherwise see.

But your rawstory obsession really puzzles me.

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Response to dpibel (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 01:01 AM

21. As you can tell, I'm not a fan of Raw Story

In my observation, they basically slightly paraphrase other people's reporting, add a clickbait headline, and work to generate hits to their ad-filled site instead of the actual journalists in question. In some cases, like this one, they will literally just transcribe an exchange from MSNBC or CNN and then include their own clip of the video hosted on their YouTube page. This behavior rubs me the wrong the way, and I feel like they are poaching from the folks that are actually doing the work.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 01:11 AM

22. Just do this for me

Link me to a story on rawstory that doesn't credit the source. This story isn't one. There's no way for a reader to believe that this is original rawstory content.

You may be able to do it, but I'll be surprised.

Contrary to your belief, summarizing a story with proper accreditation is not plagiarization.

I understand that rawstory rubs you the wrong way. Your claim (not in this thread, but in plural prior ones) that rawstory plagiarizes rubs me the wrong way.

It's a word with actual meaning. And you misuse it.

I'm really curious why it is that you have such a rawstory vendetta.

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Response to dpibel (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 01:12 AM

23. I've backed off that

Plagiarizing was not the right word to use and I have stopped doing so.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 01:21 AM

24. Glad to hear it

The question remains. What is your rawstory vendetta?

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Response to dpibel (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 08:03 AM

36. He's already stated his reasons for this, and they sound legit to me

"In my observation, they basically slightly paraphrase other people's reporting, add a clickbait headline, and work to generate hits to their ad-filled site instead of the actual journalists in question."

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Response to gristy (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 10:55 AM

39. Now that we know it, having heard it over and over we'll not to hear it over and over again ...

A lot of us don't bother to use rawstory, but we don't feel any need to bray on about it. And yeah, I know he was asked. Basically it boils down to a simple : "I don't like it." He ought to try running with that.

You do know that the original sources are ad filled, too, right?

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Response to gristy (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:47 PM

44. It's not a rare phenomenon

Other aggregators do the selfsame thing. Alternet, for one. Talking Points Memo does it, to a lesser extent.

But we do not see repeated complaints about those, or any other outlets.

So I'm still wondering what the specific beef is with Rawstory.

And I'm still not clear what the big problem is as long as the material is properly attributed.

Rawstory never does more than a capsule summary. If you want the whole story, you have to click through to the source. So (except in this particular instance, I guess) Rawstory is driving traffic to the original sources.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 10:50 AM

38. True. If there's proper attribution then they're not plagiarizing.

Raw Story seems to be a relaying mechanism. They take other people’s stuff, say who/where/what it’s from, and relay quotes accurately.

That they’re not generating original stuff is a different matter.

I used to subscribe to Truthout and they’d do that, too. But they also had Jason Leopoldo on staff and he tried to go out and dig up stuff on his own and sometimes did amplify a current story with new original angles. For example, he had kkkarl rove going in and out of the Justice Department answering questions in an effort to maneuver away from being indicted as, I think, the WMD story was falling apart (if memory serves). Nobody else had that, and no bigger outfit ever confirmed it, that I recall, anyway. I think we ALL would have heard more about that one if anybody could have confirmed it. But Truthout ran with it. Will Pitt used to be on there with opinion pieces too.

I no longer subscribe to them. I quit after getting fed up with their nonstop aggressive slamming of HRC and relentless attempts to force-feed a different candidate down my throat during the 2016 primary season.

Jason Leopold eventually stopped working there. After nobody picked up on his rice reports, I don’t know if he got fired or what, but he disappeared from their feed. He’s since turned up at Buzzfeed as a senior investigative reporter.

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:23 AM

7. Do you know if there's a link?

I use adblocking (due to aggressive ads and being on a limited data plan) and rawstory blocks all content because of that. Thus, I despise rawstory as a source.

Even a headline would be fine. I can find it from that.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:28 AM

9. Really?

I use Adblock Plus. When I click on the rawstory link in the OP, it displays unproblematically, without ads, and lets me view the MSNBC clip without any trouble. It doesn't even ask me to white list.

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Response to dpibel (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:31 AM

11. I see, "We see you're using an ad blocker" blah, blah, blah.

It's been like this for months now. I'm not being a stinker. I just wanted to know what's going on.

ETA: I'm mobile, so maybe it's different? I use Crystal, which actually blocks all ads and doesn't allow tracking you.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:34 AM

14. It actually doesn't link to MSNBC anywhere

It links to a pirated YouTube version of the video - not affiliated with MSNBC.

That's what makes Raw Story such a garbage website.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:35 AM

15. Thanks.

I struck out it seems.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:37 AM

16. Try the MSNBC website

They have some clips from the Brian Williams show on there (not sure if this one is among them).

https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour-with-brian-williams

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Response to oberliner (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:38 AM

17. Thank you!

I'll check it out!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:01 AM

2. I didn't know FOX made comic books.

But maybe it was Putin with a load of video propaganda he streamed over the the WH.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:01 AM

3. kick & rec. nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:16 AM

4. Im sure Trump's briefing on US policy in Afghanistan begins...

..."Sorcha Faal reporting from the Halls of the MOD".

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:21 AM

5. But Spanky was so proud to give everyone that lesson...

He memorized everything he was told to and delivered the message correctly; he was proud of himself for delivering for Putie. I could see it on his face; he felt so smart. And now we've all gone and ruined it for him. Haha

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:25 AM

8. During the televised portion of his cabinet meeting on Wednesday

 

He memorized everything he was told to and delivered the message correctly; he was proud of himself for delivering for Putie. I could see it on his face; he felt so smart. And now we've all gone and ruined it for him. Haha

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Response to xx147258369 (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 02:55 AM

26. I'm seeing double

and I've only had one drink.

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Response to ornotna (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:29 AM

29. Glad you see that too...going to blame the Nyquil.

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Response to ornotna (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 04:52 AM

30. WTH, that is super weird. Edit: I think the

second poster is likely a bot, profile says account is brand new Jan.5th. I didn't realize DU had Twitter type bots. I assumed they would be better hidden.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:29 AM

10. Is there any way you could please link the original source?

I'd like to see and can't view RawStory. They block me since I use an ad blocker due to my limited data plan because of the aggressive ads that suck it up.

Thanks!

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Response to herding cats (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:14 AM

28. Here's the original video

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Response to ornotna (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 08:37 AM

37. Thank you!

I appreciate this very much!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:32 AM

12. So the FBI will investigate where Rump gets his information...

Sounds like a job for a Russian-speaking forensic proctologist. I imagine they're pretty rare.

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 05:07 AM

32. Maybe they will ask the translators ...

I think they should if they're not assassinated yet.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:40 AM

18. He Finally Let The Cat Out Of The Bag

No denying it, he has the attention of Intel who think where there's smoke there's fire.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 12:48 AM

19. Whatever happened to America first?

I'm still amazed that he still has anyone left that buys his bullshit. I get why politicians and the rich do. As Elizabeth Warren so eloquently pointed out a few nights ago on Rachel, all the roll backs, judges, etc, that he's putting in place helps them keep their status quo and lines their pockets. They get rich at the expense of the rest of us. Therefore, they are willing to put up with this buffoonery. As for the poor, and working class Trump fans, I don't get it. When are they going to wake up? He campaigned on America First. But all I keep seeing is Russia First.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 02:38 AM

25. "Society Union" smh

eom

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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 07:39 AM

35. Spell checkers suck

Of course, a little proofreading before posting wouldn't hurt.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 02:36 PM

41. They've since corrected it *without* noting they did corrections. Double fail. nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:06 AM

27. Isn't the big story that Trump is working along Putin to crumble the United States?

Trump owes Russia lots of money and he is such a creep and a traitor that he gives secrets to Putin... traitor...and says what Putin wants.

It is not a big stretch. Trump is a traitor as president for the first time in our history and we cannot begin to know how this traitor has given information over to his master.

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 05:26 AM

33. This is what I believe too.

It’s maddening to watch and wait helplessly.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 04:58 AM

31. I kep tellin ya, IT"S THE SOCCER BALL, guys!

The soccer ball is talking to him. He probably had long talks with it during the holidays!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 05:38 AM

34. republican talking points sound "as if written by the GRU"

republicans have gone SUBMISSIVE to the evil empire* and the freaking kremlin.

* per ronald reagan (R)

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 11:03 AM

40. Considering how averse Trump is to learning things

This uninformed, fact-free rant was surprisingly detailed and didn't center on Trump himself. How long and hard was he coached to learn and repeat this Russia-friendly spew of revisionist history?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 02:43 PM

42. K&R

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 02:49 PM

43. Whatever anyone thinks of Trumps "history" no one is "investigating" it.

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