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Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:04 PM

Trump Moves to Deport Vietnam War Refugees



Trump Moves to Deport Vietnam War Refugees
The White House again wants to expel certain groups of protected immigrants, a reversal after backing away from the policy months ago.
Charles Dunst
Krishnadev Calamur
2:14 PM ET
Updated at 4:22 p.m.


The Trump administration is resuming its efforts to deport certain protected Vietnamese immigrants who have lived in the United States for decades—many of them having fled the country during the Vietnam War.

This is the latest move in the president’s long record of prioritizing harsh immigration and asylum restrictions, and one that’s sure to raise eyebrows—the White House had hesitantly backed off the plan in August before reversing course. In essence, the administration has now decided that Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the country before the establishment of diplomatic ties between the United States and Vietnam are subject to standard immigration law—meaning they are all eligible for deportation.

The new stance mirrors White House efforts to clamp down on immigration writ large, a frequent complaint of the president’s on the campaign trail and one he links to a litany of ills in the United States.

The administration last year began pursuing the deportation of many long-term immigrants from Vietnam, Cambodia, and other countries who the administration alleges are “violent criminal aliens.” But Washington and Hanoi have a unique 2008 agreement that specifically bars the deportation of Vietnamese people who arrived in the United States before July 12, 1995—the date the two former foes reestablished diplomatic relations following the Vietnam War.

The White House unilaterally reinterpreted the agreement in the spring of 2017 to exempt people convicted of crimes from its protections, allowing the administration to send back a small number of pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants, a policy it retreated from this past August. Last week, however, a spokesperson for the U.S. embassy in Hanoi said the American government was again reversing course.

Washington now believes that the 2008 agreement fails to protect pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants from deportation, the spokesperson, who asked not to be identified by name because of embassy procedures, told The Atlantic.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/12/donald-trump-deport-vietnam-war-refugees/577993/

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riversedge Dec 12 #1
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BigmanPigman Dec 12 #16
DemocracyMouse Dec 12 #18
riversedge Dec 12 #55
cstanleytech Dec 12 #30
mn9driver Dec 12 #48
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Moral Compass Dec 12 #5
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:10 PM

1. There is a cruel meaness to Trump.





..............The Trump administration’s move reflects an entirely new reading of the agreement, according to Ted Osius, who served as the United States ambassador to Vietnam from December 2014 through October 2018. Osius said that while he was in office, the 2008 agreement was accepted by all involved parties as banning the deportation of all pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants.

“We understood that the agreement barred the deportation of pre-1995 Vietnamese. Both governments—and the Vietnamese-American community—interpreted it that way,” Osius told The Atlantic in an email. The State Department, he added, had explained this to both the White House and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.

News of the Trump administration’s renewed hard line quickly made the rounds on Vietnamese American social media, with advocacy groups warning of potentially increased deportations.

“Forty-three years ago, a lot of the Southeast Asian communities and Vietnamese communities fled their countries and their homeland due to the war, which the U.S. was involved in, fleeing for their safety and the safety of their families,” said Kevin Lam, the organizing director of the Asian American Resource Workshop, an advocacy group. “The U.S. would do well to remember that.”

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:27 PM

6. It underlies everything he does, and he has plenty of people who like to do his bidding.

A sadistic administration.

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Response to enough (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:05 PM

16. One of the psychiatrists who signed Duty To Warn said

that he definitely has narcissistic, sociopathic and sadistic personality disorders.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:09 PM

18. Yes, he's a narcissitic asshole. BUT THIS IS ORCHESTRATED DISTRACTION

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 11:53 PM

55. I think it is but it is so cruel.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:57 PM

30. It also exposes the true face of the Repugnants in the Senate and House as

they have had the power all this time to reign him in but have refused to which means they clearly support him in this.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:53 PM

48. The cruelty is the point.

Trump is a very sick individual, surrounded by sick individuals.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:13 PM

2. Trump should be deported to Russia.




America would be better off and Trump and his buddy Vlad would like it too.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:46 PM

27. tRump has outlived his usefulness to Russia.

The first thing Vlad would do is serve him polonium tea.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:13 PM

3. No deals for Trump or his family. It's time for their family separation at Sing Sing.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:58 PM

49. Well, gee, look at the waterfront view, 'eh? Location, location, location!

Who knows, donald - they might give you your own wing!

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Response to calimary (Reply #49)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:22 PM

53. An already gnawed on chicken wing.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:18 PM

4. They've been here for decades now. Cruel and inhumane.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:22 PM

41. Most of them are critical members of society. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:23 PM

5. Capricious cruelty

Trump and his minions seem to delight in caprice and cruelty. This looks to be something that sprang from the twisted mind of Stephen Miller. It stinks of him.

Every day is brings a new evil.

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Response to Moral Compass (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:04 PM

14. It is Stephen Miller.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:46 PM

28. Agree!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:41 PM

7. Duplicate of my post: "Dishonoring America's Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines"

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:43 PM

8. K&R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:51 PM

9. Screw him and the haters that support him.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:52 PM

10. What? Why?

For God's sake?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:55 PM

12. They're not lily-white. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:55 PM

11. Just disgusting

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:03 PM

13. Sadistic assholes

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:05 PM

15. i'm sure someone else planted the idea in his sick head

this guy has no empathy whatsoever. He's a sociopath.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:05 PM

17. lets hope in just a few weeks tRump and his criminal organization will be too busy

fighting the coming blue wave to do much more damage.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:11 PM

19. So many things Trump does make me gasp in horror.

There is no limit to his monstrosity.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:13 PM

20. Truly horrifying

Every day you think there's no lower that this administration can go yet they just find a way to go lower and lower.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:17 PM

21. Surely the courts will put a stop to this disgusting plan.

The repukes in congress sure as hell won't as they are scared shitless of Trump's redneck base.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:24 PM

22. There is no other reason than to use people for his personal political gain.

I hope he can't do this. Unconscionable. Some of those people helped the Americans over there. They would have been killed, if htey had stayed. As it is, we left some of them behind, who were surely killed. Trump has no idea of our country's history.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:26 PM

42. You hit it on the head. We OWE those people lifetime safety and safety for their offspring. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:31 PM

23. Distraction.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:32 PM

24. He is one evil motherfucker!

About 30 years ago, when I was working at a large financial company, we had a Vietnamese boat person who worked in our mail room. He was such a hard worker and so happy to be here. Every day he had a smile on his face and everyone loved him. I always wondered about him after I left for another job. Those people had come through so much and finally found some peace in their lives. And now this vicious bastard wants to yank the rug out from under them and destroy everything they have built for themselves in this country as Americans.

FUCK YOU Donald Trump, you disgusting piece of shit!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:30 PM

43. I went to college with some. They absolutely worked their asses off. nt

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:25 PM

54. I hope he can be stopped, if only through the Courts. This evil thing (and it IS evil) can't happen

This is yet another outrageous, cruel thing.

I hope he's just saying this to rev us his hateful base.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:32 PM

25. Not his usual pattern

A 2008 agreement was pre-Obama. He just hates a brown people.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:36 PM

26. Trump is a very sick individual.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:49 PM

29. Just in Time for Christmas...

Like most bullies, when someone stands up to him, he bitterly picks another victim to abuse.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:00 PM

31. Is this because he got his ass handed to him yesterday?

So, as I stated elsewhere and can’t find, he is going to take it out on someone who cannot protect themselves?

Tre45on is an asshole.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:01 PM

32. It's like he's DARING someone--anyone--to rein him in

He's on a mission of destruction. There is no sense to this; it protects no one and causes needless and unwarranted suffering. It may be just another piece of red meat thrown to his evil base, but this feels like something more.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:03 PM

33. Yet the Cubanos will stay. (n/t)

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:16 PM

37. Don't give him any ideas! n/t

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #37)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:35 PM

44. He won't touch them, they vote highly republican.

Their kids, not so much, their grandkids, even less.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:04 PM

34. This asshole hasn't even thought that some of these people parents fought along side with

us in that fucked up war, and if they go back..................well they are fucked.....................but all he does his look for a deflection from his crimes and his treason......................and as for Stephen Miller................he and his treasonous boss really can go fuck themselves....................your pissed off because your criminal gang lost California, where most Vietnamese live..........................you really are a vindictive POS..........................


https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/vietnamese-immigrants-united-states-5


November 3, 2020 cannot get here fast enough..........................

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:04 PM

35. Let's re-examine Melania and her parents' paths to citizenship

Then let them stay and deport Trump and his spawn just for kicks.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:08 PM

36. And, I believe that the ...

Vietnamese-Amrerican citizens tend to vote conservative.
Please correct me I'm wrong.
https://medium.com/@lucyha93/us-presidential-elections-voices-of-vietnamese-voters-in-new-york-city-dbb8a36cfc86

Now they might be deported?
IQ45 is going to go down in history as one of the racist pResident we've ever had.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:45 PM

46. many Vietnamese-Americans, if they vote, have historically voted Republican

Starting in the late 70's and thereafter, the GOP pushed to sign up vietnamese voters. After the fall of Saigon President Ford was a Republican president who enacted legislation to receive Viet refugees. This combined with the fact Senator Mccain was hugely popular among the Vietnamese, having been a POW during his service, and the fact a large number of Vietnamese are Catholic/Christian and tend to be conservative in their views, led the older generation to lean Republican.
That said, the younger generations tend to lean left. This latest move by the Idiot will force many to reconsider their vote in the next general election.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:21 PM

38. When I was in the Air Force we flew about 100 refugees from Guam to Hawaii on their way to the U.S.

Everything they owned was stacked about chest high on a pallet.

Donald Trump makes Hitler look like a choir boy. I have never met anybody in my life who is as detestable.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:21 PM

39. You have got to be fucking kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:22 PM

40. it will be quickly overtuned by the courts IMO

with immidiate injunction

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:43 PM

45. Absolutely need to be, with a body slam to that asshole. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:45 PM

47. What The Flying FUCK?

Sorry I'm commenting without reading the whole thread. People should be in the streets about this. OMG!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:03 PM

50. Where does he even come up with these criminal, horrible ideas?

Why would this even occur to someone as "a thing to do"? How would anyone even think this up?



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Response to mysteryowl (Reply #50)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 12:17 AM

56. stepehen miller is in charge of immigration policy

he gets his ideas from the comments section of breitbart

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #56)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 08:47 AM

58. What a travesty! This is no way to represent and run the US!

Impeach this administration now!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:06 PM

51. Does he NOT know what these Vietnamese did for some of us?

NO, he does not know S**t.

Does he not understand the anguish he's causing these citizens.

THEY helped us.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:10 PM

52. What is the bottom for this pos

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 02:38 AM

57. Its gonna be hard to do that if he SHUTS DOWN THE GOVERNMENT

So HE BEST make up his mind what he wants to do, so lawyers can start their Law suits...

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