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Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:01 PM

Pierce: Nancy Pelosi Just Mocked the President* to His Face in the Oval Office

Nancy Pelosi Just Mocked the President* to His Face in the Oval Office
So much for the Liberal Sellout.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
DEC 11, 2018

On Tuesday, right about at lunchtime, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer dropped down the street to the White House to have a chat with the president*. What followed was a piece of video that will live forever as a window into this sludgepot of a political moment. It is not that remarkable if you've ever watched Question Time from any of the various parliaments around the world. (I mean, holy Oliver Cromwell, somebody presented the mace in the House of Commons on Monday.) But, because the American government is greased by tawdry piety and transparently artificial civility, the meeting might as well have taken place in the Octogon.

The single most lasting impression of this altogether remarkable bit of reality-show theater was the look we got into what happens when people tell this particular president* that he can't have what he wants.

Watch as Pelosi tries, not altogether angrily, to explain to him that he doesn't have the votes for the big, beautiful, stupid wall for which, of course, Mexico is going to pay. She says the votes aren't there. He keeps saying he can get them instantly, but that the problem is that he can't get the votes in the Senate. They're both right. He doesn't have the votes in either place. But he runs down all the applause lines that get the rubes all ginned up at his rallies, and Pelosi keeps calmly telling him that, while he's as full of shit as the Christmas goose, nevertheless he and his big, beautiful, stupid wall should get further stuffed anyway.

(You should also notice that, off to one side, Mike Pence clearly has been shot with the trank gun by the Secret Service.)

Even Schumer suddenly discovers a thin vein of iron in his spine and maneuvers El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago into bragging about shutting down the government unless he gets his way, thereby undercutting any political strategy the Republicans in Congress might have been developing to blame a prospective shutdown on the Democrats. That sound you hear is the Republican congressional leadership taking delivery of a barge-load of bourbon.

Welcome to the next two years, and thank nature's god for them.

Pelosi has the president in her pocket and she knows it. (It will dawn on him eventually, too. Maybe.) The House controls the budget and, in January, the Democratic Party will hold the House. Since any argument about Pelosi's being an Accommodating Liberal Sellout should die with the release of this video, she will be the Speakeróand, as such, she can shred his administration*. This is the most essential part.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25475246/nancy-pelosi-mocks-president-trump-wall-oval-office/

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Reply Pierce: Nancy Pelosi Just Mocked the President* to His Face in the Oval Office (Original post)
mcar Dec 2018 OP
Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #1
apcalc Dec 2018 #2
mcar Dec 2018 #3
lunatica Dec 2018 #52
NCjack Dec 2018 #64
True Blue American Dec 2018 #20
allgood33 Dec 2018 #31
calimary Dec 2018 #66
dalton99a Dec 2018 #4
DonViejo Dec 2018 #5
mcar Dec 2018 #6
Cha Dec 2018 #8
LuckyLib Dec 2018 #13
C Moon Dec 2018 #19
Scarsdale Dec 2018 #32
mcar Dec 2018 #36
NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #35
Cha Dec 2018 #7
mcar Dec 2018 #37
Cha Dec 2018 #41
mcar Dec 2018 #42
peggysue2 Dec 2018 #9
connecticut yankee Dec 2018 #18
MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #33
Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #49
mcar Dec 2018 #38
GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #10
Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #11
lunatica Dec 2018 #53
Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #54
lunatica Dec 2018 #55
mahannah Dec 2018 #12
mokawanis Dec 2018 #14
True Blue American Dec 2018 #21
mokawanis Dec 2018 #26
True Blue American Dec 2018 #58
FakeNoose Dec 2018 #15
SDJay Dec 2018 #17
Blue_true Dec 2018 #29
GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #43
SDJay Dec 2018 #16
Ilsa Dec 2018 #28
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AwakeAtLast Dec 2018 #50
Enoki33 Dec 2018 #22
paleotn Dec 2018 #23
The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #24
NoMoreRepugs Dec 2018 #25
mcar Dec 2018 #39
Fritz Walter Dec 2018 #27
YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #51
Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #30
Solly Mack Dec 2018 #34
Hekate Dec 2018 #40
mcar Dec 2018 #46
Cha Dec 2018 #61
DeminPennswoods Dec 2018 #44
babylonsister Dec 2018 #45
mcar Dec 2018 #47
Pepsidog Dec 2018 #48
betsuni Dec 2018 #56
Cha Dec 2018 #60
Stardust1 Dec 2018 #57
BlueMTexpat Dec 2018 #59
mcar Dec 2018 #62
MrModerate Dec 2018 #63
NNadir Dec 2018 #65
Marthe48 Dec 2018 #67
Apollyonus Dec 2018 #68
Denzil_DC Dec 2018 #69
mcar Dec 2018 #70

Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:09 PM

1. Kick and rec.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:20 PM

2. Trump is clearly out of his league in that meeting.

Pelosi and Schumer expertly set him up for a fall - to brag and admit that he and he alone will take the mantle , the blame , for a government shutdown if he doesnít Ďget his wayí .

I donít think most Republicans want a shutdown though anyway.



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Response to apcalc (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:25 PM

3. And I don't think Pelosi & Schumer were expecting it

They sure rose to the occasion.

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Response to mcar (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 12:43 AM

52. I agree. The only person "setting" everyone up was Trump

Pelosi and Schumer realized what was happening and adroitly turned the table on him. I think he didnít even realize the setup he walked right into when Schumer got him to admit he wanted to close the government down. I think it probably dawned on him when it was too late.

I think they looked at each other and silently agreed to go ahead and spring the trap. I did see a lot of eye contact between them.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #52)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 10:56 AM

64. We saw the power of speaking the truth to defeat a Repug setup by Orange#45. nt

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Response to apcalc (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:12 PM

20. Mitch came out right away and said no shutdown!

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Response to apcalc (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:01 PM

31. He doesn't know government or governing. He is out of his league when he leaves Mar-a-lago.

 

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Response to apcalc (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 01:43 PM

66. He's used to people he can con. Pelosi & Schumer aren't those people.

They know and understand him too well. You canít con those two, donald. You werenít ready for people like them - and youíre stuck with them now.

They, on the other hand, were quite well-prepared for you.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:27 PM

4. Great piece

PELOSI: You have the White House. You have the Senate. You have the House of Representatives. You have the votes. You should pass it.

TRUMP: No, we don't have the votes, Nancy, because in the Senate we need 60 votes, and we don't have it (ph).

PELOSI: No, no, but in the House, you could bring it up right now.

TRUMP: Yes, but I can't -- excuse me, but I can't get it passed in the House if it's not going to pass in the Senate; I don't want to waste time.

PELOSI: Well, the fact is, you can get it started that way.

TRUMP: The House we could get passed very easily, and we do.

PELOSI: OK, then do it. Then do it.

TRUMP: If I needed the votes for the wall in the House, I would have them in one session; it would be done.

PELOSI: Well, then go do it. Go do it.

TRUMP: It doesn't help, because we need 10 Democrats in the Senate.

PELOSI: No, don't put it on the Senate; put it on -- put it on the negotiation.

TRUMP: OK, let me ask you this, just -- and we're doing this in a very friendly manner. It doesn't help for me to take a vote in the House where I will win easily with the Republicans.

PELOSI: You will not win.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:29 PM

5. here you go...

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:30 PM

6. So good!

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:35 PM

8. Thanks, Don! Nancy.. ".. we'll see

about that".

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:09 PM

13. Take note the repeated use of her first name before each proclamation. Bully behavior.

Countless times in my own professional life I have observed men doing this when wanting to "make their point" with women.

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Response to LuckyLib (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:09 PM

19. My auto mechanic does that constantly. He speaks broken English, so he uses it as a pause.

But when sales people do it, it's annoying to no end.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:22 PM

32. Was Pence hypnotised

before the meeting? Did "Mother" tell him not to speak to Pelosi, since she is female? Now tRump is putting all the blame on Holy Mikey for not backing him up.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:14 PM

36. He sure seemed heavily sedated

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:52 PM

35. Mama trying patiently to explain

to a bratty 4 year old why he can't have ice cream for breakfast every day.

Catch the look on her face! She's almost rolling her eyes.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:33 PM

7. Sweet Nancy.. what's this

world coming to?! lol

Thank You, Nancy Pelosi!

Mahalo, mcar!

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:15 PM

37. She is a badass!

She will drive him crazy when she is Speaker.

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Response to mcar (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:59 PM

41. ..

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Response to Cha (Reply #41)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:00 PM

42. I'm reading he's still pitching a hissy

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:45 PM

9. This should shut down the Pelosi whine that she's . . .

too old for the job as Speaker, that we have anyone else who could work this moment as well and with as much steely resolve as Nancy Pelosi. When she says, "You do not have the vote?" You can take that to the bank because Pelosi knows how to whip and count votes down to the last rheumy eyeball.

This was a Master Class performance. She even inspired Chuck Schumer to show his spine. Then that triumphant march from the WH to the press pool?

Boom!

Pelosi slayed it.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:08 PM

18. Go, Nancy!

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:23 PM

33. You got THAT right!!!!!

THAT was a "Master Class" in how to handle IQ45!!!!!

Way to go, Madam Speaker (and, if chips can really fall the right way, Madam President!!!!)

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 12:13 AM

49. And if you noticed,

She didn't even break a sweat.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:15 PM

38. It should, peggysue2

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 05:48 PM

10. You will not win!

When has anyone, especially a woman said that to trump I such a forceful way. And on national TV.

That going to leave a deep mark

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:03 PM

11. the wallTrump the wallTrump the wallTrump

Somebody should count how many times Putin's Toy Trump says, "the wall" in that short video. He's obsessed, demented, and possessed (by Putin).

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 12:48 AM

53. I heard on the Lawrence O'Donnell show that he said it 45 times.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #53)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 01:10 AM

54. is reality playin a joke on us?

Dolt45 says "wall" 45 times while crumbing before the cameras.

That may be the secret incantation the world has been looking for.

Should be easier than saying "Beetlejuice" three times.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #54)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 04:25 AM

55. It depends on which reality you're talking about

The one with alternate facts seems to be playing havoc, but Iím not sure, because of the Quixotic nature of it, whether itís playing a joke on us.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:05 PM

12. Best political television I've seen in decades.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:33 PM

14. He's like an impatient child

constantly interrupting Pelosi. I thought maybe he was gonna have a full-blown temper tantrum and have to be rescued by Pence.

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:15 PM

21. See that face go red?:)

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:27 PM

26. He tried so hard to appear like he was't angry

but like everything else he does, he's a lousy actor.

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #26)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:17 AM

58. Especially when

He stormed out, threw the papers that Schumer had just declared were a lie.

Trump lost that meeting, big time.

I have not cared much for Schumer but he has proven to be a street fighter and knows just how to push Trump buttons. No polite Harry Reid there. That smile of Chucks said it all.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 06:58 PM

15. My theory about Mike Pence ;-)

I think Pence has been careful to keep his eyes downcast and his face expressionless whenever he's within earshot of Cheeto. Why? Because if he actually listens and reacts to the crap coming out of Cheeto's mouth, he'd end up being the new Plaid Shirt Guy.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:05 PM

17. He's Busy Thinking

about how that lucky Falwell Jr. can get himself a nice cabana boy and he can't.

And yes, I enjoy the idea of homophobic bigots thinking about gay sex more than gay people do. Pence is one of them.

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Response to SDJay (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:46 PM

29. Yeah.

Rightwing Evangelicals think about gay sex and beastiality a lot. No one else think about those things at all. Wonder what else is happening between the bible-thumping?

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:18 PM

43. Don't forget about Pedophilia. They bring that shit up all the time.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:04 PM

16. Nice To See Pence

zoning out for a bit when things got tense. Nothing like a nice, steamy gay sex fantasy to break up the tension in his own little mind.

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Response to SDJay (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:38 PM

28. Either that, or he ate some special brownies before the meeting.

Maybe he's on THC oil supplements.

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Response to SDJay (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 12:31 AM

50. .











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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:16 PM

22. Nancy and Chuck not only exposed dotard as being out of his league trying to

operate way above his level of competence. They exploded the myth of him being a great negotiator as another of the many frauds perpetuated on the American people. Nice how they set him up to take the blame for his threatened shutdown.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:20 PM

23. Didn't even have to lead him. He built and then threw himself in his own trap.

From now on, that should be the stock example of stupidity. Forget doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Shitler has taken stupid to a whole new level.

Even Schumer suddenly discovers a thin vein of iron in his spine and maneuvers El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago into bragging about shutting down the government unless he gets his way, thereby undercutting any political strategy the Republicans in Congress might have been developing to blame a prospective shutdown on the Democrats.

Schumer didn't maneuver anyone. Shitler brought it up and kept harping on it. Schumer just followed an age old maxim of politics. If your opponent is destroying themselves, don't interfere.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:25 PM

24. booyah!

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:27 PM

25. The worlds greatest negotiator just got pantsed in front

of the ENTIRE WORLD.

Well done Madame Speaker, well done.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:17 PM

39. And by a girl!*



*By which, of course, I mean strong, intelligent woman!

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:28 PM

27. As much as I admire and respect my J-school classmate -- Charlie Pierce -- I'm surprised...

...He didn't call this out for what it really is: Kabuki theater to draw attention away from the Justice Department's ongoing investigation into criminal interference in the 2016 elections (and perhaps beyond).

Oh, look! A shiny object!

No disrespect to Congresswoman Pelosi for showing she has what it takes to lead the House of Representatives. But we should not lose sight of the 400 lb. gorilla in the room.

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Response to Fritz Walter (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 12:42 AM

51. This isn't just a distraction- they have to pass a funding bill

Some attention and energy have to be applied to governance and Pelosi is good at it.

Trump has no clue how to govern, everything is political theater to him. And Speaker to be Pelosi pinned Trumpís ears back in public, because heís clueless at this.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 07:57 PM

30. I didn't notice her mocking him in front of him. But I saw that HE was trying to blame the Democrats

HE was trying to show his base that it's the Democrats who have prevented him from getting his wall. Even though Pelosi tried to point out that he has the W.H., the Senate, and the House...Trump drowned her out with his temper tantrum, although he was trying to control himself.

The Democrats are not going to vote for his stupid wall, but they made an offer of $1.2Billion in exchange for a DACA bill (like they offered before). He turned that down again.

I don't think we should give even $1.2 Billion, frankly.

His base will follow him, whatever he says. He is sending out the whistle, telling them what to think and say. They will do it. Today was his message: It's the Democrats' fault. Not his, not the Republicans (the Republicans who won't vote for his wall, either).

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 08:45 PM

34. K&R

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 09:31 PM

40. It was a thing of beauty and a joy forever. Then Nancy donned her red cape and flew away. nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:42 PM

46. I want that red coat! And the 😎

Such a badass!

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Response to mcar (Reply #46)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:34 AM

61. I know! Badass Red

Coat and

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:27 PM

44. Nancy D'Alessandro from Baltimore

A woman who grew up as the sole girl with 5 brothers. Her dad and brother were both mayors of Baltimore. She knows how to handle Trump and his ilk.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:34 PM

45. ...Pence clearly has been shot with the trank gun by the Secret Service



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Response to babylonsister (Reply #45)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 10:42 PM

47. What was that!

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 12:05 AM

48. Music to my ears. All of it. I waited 2 years for this.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 04:51 AM

56. But Michael Moore thinks Trump is an evil genius.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #56)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:33 AM

60. And, we "should

embrace trump". And, Moore said "Stormy Daniels and the Russian Investigations were a distraction". So much for his advice.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:17 AM

57. Wow what **sholes

They would not stop cutting her off and speaking over her. Classic misogyny. So cowardly.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 05:30 AM

59. One of the most beautiful things

about this event is that IF we can rid ourselves of Orange Dotard and Penceless, Nancy automatically becomes POTUS!

If Putin thought that Hillary would be an adversary, he must really be quaking in his boots about the very real possibility of Nancy Pelosi!

Bravissima, Madame Speaker!

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #59)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 10:14 AM

62. That is my fondest hope

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 10:49 AM

63. Pelosi will be third in line to the White House . . .

And neither Trump nor Pence are looking especially teflon-y these days.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 10:58 AM

65. What a wonderful locution...

Last edited Wed Dec 12, 2018, 11:24 PM - Edit history (1)

"El Caudillo del Mar-a-Largo..."

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 02:04 PM

67. wish p.o.s. would shut himself down

At what point was Walker arrested? How much evidence did they have? Who arrested him? Why can't some federal officer arrest trump for treason? Why does anyone convey legitimacy to his presence in the Oval Office? How much more damage is going to be done while law enforcement sits on its hands?

I've been patient, we all have. But the writing is on the wall and we need him out. How much crap has he pulled in the last week? How much longer before he steers the ship of state onto a reef? Oh hell, before he sinks it.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 02:08 PM

68. Go Nancy !!!

 

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 02:13 PM

69. Cartoon:

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Response to Denzil_DC (Reply #69)

Wed Dec 12, 2018, 03:50 PM

70. Great one!

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