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Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:46 AM

Could the Democratic Party be the new home for Evangelicals?

Hold on - hear me out!!!

I'm trying to picture a scenario where we break the Evangelicals away from the GOP - leaving the GOP stuck with the Nationalists.

Clearly - Abortion is the hitch.

But maybe with the new court picks from Trump - the abortion people might be placated? I know that seems doubtful.

The reason I was thinking about this - I see a lot of white Mennonite families that have adopted kids from other cultures. Not unusual to see Korean or black kids with white Mennonite families here in rural PA.

Maybe there is a way to appeal to this sense and open-ness seen in the Mennos?

Think about it.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:49 AM

1. No. Just no.

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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:44 AM

48. I'll add Hell No. and this article....

CBS Airs Documentary Featuring the Stories of Ex-Evangelical Christians

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/12/06/cbs-airs-documentary-featuring-the-stories-of-ex-evangelical-christians/

CBS recently aired a short documentary called “Deconstructing My Religion,” focused on people who left their faith and how it may have traumatized them. While a subject like that could take much, much longer to explore, the focus here was on evangelical purity culture with the main voice being Linda Kay Klein, the former abstinence-only believer whose book Pure details the problems with the Purity Movement.


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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:50 AM

2. I hope, and pray to the God I doubt, that the Dem's avoid the Evangelicals like a plague

As for the Mennos - cheap labor.

Sorry, I have a low opinion about religion.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:50 AM

3. Jimmy Carter was the first candidate massively

Backed by a 'newly' political Evangelical block. People forget that... Talking about 1976, not 1980


But no, I don't see it happening...

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:52 AM

8. I remember that

I was too young to vote at the time, but the only time in his life that my father did not vote for a Democrat for president was 1980. He voted John Anderson because he thought Reagan only cared for the rich and he was very uncomfortable with Carter being so openly religious.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:14 AM

28. At that time Carter was mocked mercilessly by the Republicans

for his strong religious beliefs. Now evangelicals are hardcore Republicans committed to Trump, their "Christian" exemplar.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:24 PM

71. The difference with Carter, and Democrats in general is...

Even though Carter was deeply religious, it was a personal faith and while it may have guided his policy decisions in general, he did not have an agenda of establishing the dominance of his particular views over those of other people. His philanthropy, his work with the disadvantaged, and his general world view is informed by his faith, but he is not trying to convert or dominate other through that faith.

The current strain of "religious" people in the conservative movement are not even Evangelicals really. They are Christian Dominionists. They want nothing less than a total domination of Christianity over this secular country. If they can achieve that at the expense of other faiths, they will then turn against each other for the dominance of their particular sects.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #71)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:25 PM

72. I understand that Carter was different

but at the time in the late 70s, it was highly unusual for a politician to be openly religious like that.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:51 AM

4. Think about this,

ask yourself why would you want the Democratic Party to be burdened with such shameless anti-american hypocrites?

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Response to Brawndo (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:54 AM

9. to shepherd them away from the creep of Nationalist Anti-Americanism.

Regardless if we get the votes or not - I feel it's essential to drive a wedge between the Nationalists and Evangelicals.

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Response to hexola (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:01 AM

17. Shepherd them like the sheep they are?

Anyone who looked at tRump and saw leadership will not be missed.

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Response to Brawndo (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:35 PM

111. Bingo! nt

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:51 AM

5. Mennonites aren't Evangelicals.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:55 AM

10. Thanks for that - my perception is

...They vote GOP just like most everybody in Central PA.

I always thought Mennos were of the anabaptist tradition and were considered in the Evangelical flock.

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Response to hexola (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:24 AM

34. Do they vote at all?

I think some of the stricter Mennonite orders are like Amish and don’t have much to do with things like politics.
I live in an area with lots of Mennonites (PA) and each congregation is different in how “modern” they are. Unfortunately the more modern ones have bought into the “pro-life” bullshit.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:32 AM

41. Nationalism is polluting faith

And that's why Im lumping Mennos in with the Evangelicals - I think the "modern ones" are more Anabaptist evangelical types - who have fallen for the Nationalist crud.

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Response to hexola (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:27 AM

38. Nope

Methodists, Baptists, Pentecostals, some Lutherans; lots of Catholics vote Republican, but that doesn't make them Evangelicals.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:34 AM

42. "Evangelical" means

Spreading the word of God. It’s only recently that the word has been corrupted to mean “Christian RWNJs”.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:39 AM

44. It refers to a specific movement within (mostly American) Christianity...

that goes back to the "First Great Awakening" (and to John Wesley).

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:51 AM

6. Never. We are very liberal, we are not judgmental, and

we believe in LIVE AND LET LIVE. we embrace those beautiful n the LGBT 🏳️‍🌈 community, and we respect other religions.

Evangelicals have a mandate. They are obliged to convert. I wouldn’t want one 100 feet near me.

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Response to secondwind (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:00 AM

58. This! Yes, my feelings as well.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:52 AM

7. no. don't want to think about it. n/t

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:56 AM

11. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

n/t

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:56 AM

12. God, I fucking hope not!

I don't want those feeble-minded fanatics anywhere near our party!

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:57 AM

13. Only if they adapt to our principles...

Their natural inclination is to take over everything and turn it into a church.

Ain't going there.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:57 AM

14. NO!!!

So, you want to placate the abortion people? Did it ever occur to you that those very same "abortion people" are also anti-LGBT...do you want to placate them on that topic, too?

Evangelicals are not like the Mennonites in any way, shape, or form...Evangelicals that follow Trump don't have the values you'd find in street corner drug dealer...they're in it for power and control over people's lives, and nothing less then that will please them!!!

I'd rather see them become so irrelevant that they go and live in caves and do what the original Shakers did!!!

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:59 AM

15. No, Thank You Very Much!

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:59 AM

16. No, no and no.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:03 AM

18. No. They are old testament and ignore the teachings of Jesus.

Fake Christians. It would be better for us if they break off from the pukes and start their own party.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:04 AM

19. Sorry, no.

You can't throw women under the bus to win elections as a Democrat. That is why Evangelicals are Republican, they are ok with racist and misogynistic behavior. Now, some Evangelicals are breaking away from drumpf and talking bad about him from their pulpits, as they should, but unfortunately not enough truly care about Godly values and that drumpf violates every tenet in the Bible. They may not be Democrats, but I hope some of these will not support criminal assaulter and fraud drumpf, or people of his ilk, in the future.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:05 AM

20. I hope not.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:06 AM

21. Beto O'Rourke May Benefit From an Unlikely Support Group: White Evangelical Women

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/us/politics/texas-beto-orourke-evangelicals-women.html

DALLAS — After church on a recent Sunday, Emily Mooney smiled as she told her girlfriends about her public act of rebellion. She had slapped a “Beto for Senate’’ sticker on her S.U.V. and driven it to her family’s evangelical church.

But then, across the parking lot, deep in conservative, Bible-belt Texas, she spotted a sign of support: the same exact sticker endorsing Beto O’Rourke, the Democrat who is challenging Senator Ted Cruz.

“I was like, who is it?” she exclaimed. “Who in this church is doing this?”

Listening to Ms. Mooney’s story, the four other evangelical moms standing around a kitchen island began to buzz with excitement. All of them go to similarly conservative churches in Dallas. All are longtime Republican voters, solely because they oppose abortion rights. Only one broke ranks to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. But this November, they have all decided to vote for Mr. O’Rourke, the Democratic upstart who is on the front line of trying to upend politics in deep-red Texas.

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Response to hexola (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:45 PM

78. He probably became less dreamy to them when he was said "So FUCKING proud".

I don't get it, but the Evangelicals I know are extremely intolerant of swearing. They think it's about the worst thing you can do.

(shrug)

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Response to violetpastille (Reply #78)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 04:44 PM

101. I don't know. They would still fawn over dump if he said it.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:07 AM

22. Just no

A movement that is known for embracing the patriarchy and policing women's bodies has no place in the Democratic party.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:08 AM

23. Send them to this site for a good example of evangelicals who are....

... oriented to social justice. After all, that's where Jesus takes you if you're a follower.

https://sojo.net/

I do get tired of the tendency to identify "evangelical" with "right wing." It's no more true than any stereotype.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:12 AM

26. This is the kind of appeal needed to drive a wedge between the Evangelicals and the Nationalists.

Thank you for that link.

I think Nationalism has colored the Evangelical movement for decades...time to extricate them.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 04:24 PM

99. I get tired of the tendency of Evangelicals to be right wingers.

More than 80% of white Evangelicals voters cast their ballots for Trump. Are we supposed to pretend that didn't happen? Most of them would enthusiastically vote for him again if given the chance. Are we supposed to pretend that isn't true? Why? How exactly does denial of reality accomplish anything?

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:10 AM

24. Any party that appeals the evangelicals is not a party I will be a part of.

Let the right keep them & figure out how to get all of their deplorables to play nice. The dems need to make sure that everyone who voted in 2018 votes again in 2020 & we need to get more non-voters engaged in the process. Those are the voters we need to appeal to, not the religious nut whack jobs.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:28 AM

39. THIS

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:11 AM

25. They currently vote based on hating LGBT people and abortion

The only way we get their votes is to convince them that addressing issues like climate change is important enough to overlook differences in gay rights and abortion.

That sounds hopeless but there are anecdotes where evangelicals changed their minds based on the gravity of our environmental problems

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:13 AM

27. Let's not try to appeal to the non science, fairy tale cult crowd

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:15 AM

29. Evangelical DUers, please don't open these posts.

The depth of shameful ignorance displayed here is shocking.

The Democratic Party has always been the political home for many LIBERAL evangelical Christians, along with liberals from every other religious group in America.

As for the OP, there is no chance of that happening for the foreseeable future, if ever. For good and bad, the political alignments of parties are no longer mostly geographic but based on the same personality factors seen in most spousal and friend choices: liberal or conservative, further differentiated along mild, firm, strong, hard-core, extremist lines. The Democratic Party is the liberal-dominated party.

Btw, roughly a quarter of all Democrats are anti-abortion. Something like 36% of Republicans are pro-abortion. Majorities rule in both parties on this big issue.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:19 AM

32. I couldn't agree more. We like to think of ourselves...


... as a party that rejects bigotry, but the bigotry toward evangelical Christians, and, indeed toward all Christians, is appalling.

Here is a link to a website for evangelicals who are oriented toward social justice.

https://sojo.net/

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:27 AM

37. Thats why I mentioned the Mennos who seem to have a progressive liberal outlook

but can still represent the evangelical flock.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:29 AM

40. Thank you

As a liberal Christian I’m sick of being told I’m an idiot by my fellow liberals. That’s a topic for another day.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:16 AM

30. Mennonites? I'm not sure you understand who the Evangelicals are.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:21 AM

33. Evangelical Anabaptism

http://mennoworld.org/2018/05/21/editorial/evangelical-anabaptism/

In a time when “Mennonite” in North America often means either plain and nonconformed lifestyles or a progressive peace-and-justice platform, many Mennonites who don’t identify with either of those markers are choosing to focus on the traditional evangelical emphases of personal conversion and relationship with God, as well as planting church communities that foster personal growth. For many, this has meant dropping the “Mennonite” name or absorbing it into an acronym.

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Response to hexola (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:15 AM

64. Yeah, there are also people who think that since the Nazis called themselves National Socialists,

that they were some kind of a left-wing socialist group.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:18 AM

31. Absolutely Not.

You mention abortion, but what about the fact that many of them also hate, and I mean HATE:

Gay folks
Women
Brown people
Non-Americans
Poor people
Sick people

This is the most exclusionary, bigoted group in our culture IMO. How in the world does that fit into a party built on acceptance and inclusion? Tolerating intolerance is not tolerance - it's enabling.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:25 AM

35. I don't need to think about it. N-O.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:26 AM

36. Fuck them and their fake "values"

They worship mammon. They are not redeemable.
They should stay the fuck away.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:34 AM

43. If it should happen I'm gone. Fuck evangelicals.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:39 AM

45. No.

And I'm an active Christian.

Self-professed have been trained to equate Democrats w/the devil and Republicans w/God.

It's completely crazy and Bizarro World logic, but that's what these people believe.

No changing that.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:39 AM

46. I can't imagine that people who think the Trump isa messiah like figure would want to jointhe party.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:43 AM

47. It's not just abortion but control over women

and supporting the patriarchy. Abortion is just the hook.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:46 AM

49. Omg, no. They'd try to take control. They're like a disease in the Republican party and

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are one reason they're so radical.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:47 AM

50. I like to think that's the disease of Nationalism

We need to split the Nationalists from the Evangelicals...without Nationalism coloring their beliefs - it might look a little different.

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Response to hexola (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:28 PM

74. They don't believe in the separation between church and state. This is unacceptable.

I highly recommend reading One Nation Under God by Kevin Kruse for more reasons why this can never be.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:50 AM

51. They've Already Ruined The Con Party

Not interested in them doing the same to ours...not to mention what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:52 AM

52. Good gawd, I hope not.

If they were our base, what do you think our Dems would fight for?

Yep. That's right.

No fucking thank you.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:53 AM

53. Absolutely not.

Aside from opposing reproductive choice, they are anti-LGBTQ, often are racists, misogynists and antisemites. That is absolutely the worst idea I've heard on DU for a very, very long time.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #53)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:54 AM

55. ha - great minds

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #53)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:31 PM

87. Mineral Man, I've often thought that you...

... take the trouble to post thoughtful ideas. Please read responses 29 and 32.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:53 AM

54. Absolutely not

Most are horrible people. Racist, sexist, homophobic, narcissistic.

Lie down with dogs - wake up with fleas.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:55 AM

56. Please God NO.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:57 AM

57. Hell No

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:00 AM

59. Evangelicals are hateful and authoritarian

No place in the Democratic party for them. Now, the Christians who follow the teachings of Jesus are either already Democrats or would be at home in the Party. Dems need to reclaim Christianity, Jesus's teaching align with the Democratic Party far far more than the Republican Party.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:00 AM

60. Please distinguish between Evangelicals and Fundamentalists

Most Protestant denominations are nominally Evangelical, but many aren't Fundamentalist in nature.

Methodists have tended to be socially liberal, but some elements have made attempts to swing them to the right in recent years. There is an ongoing tension between the two directions over gay rights and pro-choice.

Episcopalians have had similar turmoil and well as other mainstream Protestant groups.

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Response to bigbrother05 (Reply #60)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:56 PM

88. Baptists, too. Just had a discussion on Twitter about ex-Baptist pastor Mark Harris

of NC09 fraud fame. Harris is of the RW fundamentalist variety but there is a liberal Baptist seminary located at Wake Forest, NC. There's been a war between them and so far the fundamentalists are winning, possibly because they believe the ends justify the means and are willing to to anything to achieve their goals.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:00 AM

61. Evangelicals ARE the Nationalists!

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:08 AM

62. Geez, not this shit again!

Stop trying to win the enemy over. You're not going to. There's tens of millions of people in this country that don't vote. Win them over. It's not rocket science.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:15 AM

63. No.

They are all-in with the Republicans. They love the punitive aspect of that party.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:18 AM

65. NO!!! nt

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:23 AM

66. HELL TO THE NO!

I don’t want them unless they are the few who have opposed Trump.

If another unethical loon comes along who they think will help them, they will be gone in a second.

THEY CAN ALL GO TO HELL!

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:27 AM

67. Only if the adjust their ideology to fit that of the Democratic Party n/t

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Response to Blaukraut (Reply #67)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:29 AM

68. Heck, only if they adjust their ideology to fit Jesus' teachings

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:51 AM

69. Hell to the effin' no! n/t

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:17 PM

70. I hope not! I think of the D Party as the reality based party

Why muck it up with a bunch of people whose main anchor in life is complete fantasy?

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:28 PM

73. Eternal damnation in Hell might be a better place for them:

let them sit at the left hoof of Satan, perishing in lamentation, suffering the same torment their belief system promised to supposed "sinners."

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Response to Mr. Quackers (Reply #73)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:16 PM

107. +1

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:31 PM

75. There is no benefit in changing anything about the Democratic party to appeal to that group.

There is a place for religious people in the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has no particular problem with the free expression of religious faith insomuch as the rights of non religious people and other faith traditions are respected. Democrats have never been against religion.

The problem with "Evangelicals" (I use quotes because the modern strain being called Evangelicals is more Christian Dominionist) is that they seek only to have their particular beliefs made dominant over anything else and that cannot happen within the framework of the Democratic Party. We are the party of inclusion and thus groups whose focus is on conversion or exclusion and domination cannot exist within out political framework.

Any person, even if deeply religious can come over to the Democratic Party freely, but when they start trying to change the way Democrats operate towards a less open and accepting standpoint, there are going to be problems.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:41 PM

76. I am not sure that the Mennonite or Amish vote.

I thought they abstained from taking political stances? I could be mistaken.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #76)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:57 PM

96. According the Wikipedia, Amish vote

Mennonites that I knew voted. But they were more "earth mother" types than religious.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:42 PM

77. I just don't see how that can happen

because too many of them have been brainwashed over the last 30 years to believe the Democratic Party is the tool of Satan. It's not just abortion - it's feminism, LGBT issues, just about anything having to do with sex, guns, environmental issues (climate change isn't really a thing and if it is God will fix it anyhow), and an authoritarian-follower mindset that just isn't compatible with liberal values. Of course there are many liberal Christians but the fundamentalists (maybe a more accurate label than "evangelical," which can have a very broad meaning) won't want to be Democrats, and we probably don't want them anyhow.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:46 PM

79. This may be instructive for some....

The term "Evangelical" is not synonymous with RWNJ. Most black evangelicals are already longtime party supporters. Hispanic evangelicals don't typically support republicans, either. Evangelicals, like most groups, are not a monolith.
From a previous post:
According to 538, 5 % of black evangelicals identify as republican. This stands in stark contrast with the fact that 49% of white evangelicals identify as republican. The Democratic Party continues to enjoy overwhelming support from the full diaspora of the black community. This includes 69% among black evangelicals. Interestingly, Hispanic evangelicals lean more independent.



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Response to spicysista (Reply #79)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:55 PM

81. "Evangelicals" on this forum pretty much refers to white evangelicals

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #81)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:18 PM

85. I get it and I know that you do, too.

The white washing of certain groups...."working class", "evangelicals", "middle country", "Appalachia", well....the Appalachian region is pretty white.
It all sets the tone for how topics are discussed. The way this happens, here and on other platforms, matters. It effects everything from the sorts of guests that appear on shows to discuss topics, where/how money is allocated towards outreach efforts, and even where candidates visit. How we frame things matter.

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Response to spicysista (Reply #79)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:13 PM

106. Most of the Christian voters in 2016 cast ballots for Trump.

That's just a fact. There are various groups of Christians who mostly supported Clinton, but the right wing Republican Christian voters are still numerous enough to make up the majority of the whole. Pretending this isn't true doesn't accomplish anything.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #106)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:18 PM

108. "Christian" is a huge group.

Most people running as democrats identify as such. Most black and brown evangelicals already support democrats. These are just facts. My point is that we need to be more specific about which groups we do or do not want on our tent.
Do you disagree with the facts presented in my posts?

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Response to spicysista (Reply #108)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:32 PM

110. I don't disagree, but what are we going to do with that data?

How do we use that information to get more Christians to vote for Democrats?

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Response to Mariana (Reply #110)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:44 PM

112. Stand on our platform. It's kinda awesome.

Our party values speak loud enough to traditional Christian values (tending the sick, feeding the hungry, taking care of children and empathizing with those who are hurting, etc.). Those single issue voters that place the value of a fetus over those that breathe aren't coming to our side anyways. We should try to focus on reminding them of the universal good for which we stand. You can check out the work being done by Rev. Barber. It's a republican's worst nightmare..... people of all faiths, gays, atheists, working class, all races and ethnicities working together to expand healthcare, better wages, and education.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:47 PM

80. The evangelicals/born again Christians (are they the same?) who might be swayed to vote

Democratic Party are already Democrats. The rest are evil or submissive to power.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:05 PM

82. Not going to happen. Consider them enemies, to be defeated. (nt)

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:09 PM

83. Evangelicals are the in the same line as the Confederate Slaveholders and the Fascist Axis.

They must be crushed. Such primitive brutes only understand such force.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:16 PM

84. No. Abortion is the obvious hitch, but how do "new court picks" placate them?

It means they'll be extra-sure to support only politicians who will outlaw abortion, now that the Supreme Court may let them. And who will appoint anti-abortion judges, just in case.

But it won't stop there. They demand politicians are anti-LGBT as well. That's why Trump is so shitty for LGBT rights. He isn't personally homophobic, but he's happy to throw LGBT under the bus to get money and votes.

If you want to understand the politics of evangelicals, and how it shapes their rules on who gets to call themselves 'evangelical' (it's not about religious beliefs any more), I recommend reading Fred Clark's Slacktivist blog. He grew up as an evangelical, and he's still a faithful Christian, but he's a liberal. He's pointed out how, for instance, the evangelical political movement was started in the 70s to enable effective segregation in private schools, and only grabbed on to abortion as a convenient rallying point to make them look like they had a 'moral' purpose.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/category/evangelicals/

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:26 PM

86. I'm a lifelong Democrat

and nothing -- NOTHING -- could make me walk away from the party faster than adopting the religious nutjobs. HELL NO. I value secular society, and am not willing to compromise women's rights for those hypocrites.

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Response to eissa (Reply #86)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:33 PM

114. Me too, and I'm about as religious as our cat.

There's no chance the Democratic Party is going to adopt religious views as a party, though, and neither of us are going to have to walk. The OP might have as well have asked if we shouldn't learn to fly so people will want to join us.

But fwiw, the Democratic Party has always had many at least somewhat to very religious members, but the views of most overlap strongly with those of most other Democrats. 55% recently told Pew they absolutely believed in god (62% of unaffiliated, 73% of pubs). I'm among the 13% of Dems who do not.

Btw, also according to Pew, 24% of Democrats are ANTI-abortion and 36% of Republicans are PRO-abortion. Members of both parties pay strong attention to this big issue, so the majorities define formal party positions.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:01 PM

89. No. And it's not just abortion that's the hitch. They give the impression they're followers

of Jesus, but they're more like a bunch of greedy, self serving, money-loving hogs and that's why they worship the Orange Atrocity. Oh . . . and they hate the gays, too.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:12 PM

90. The full range of women's necessary medical care is NOT up for discussion/negotiation. Okay?

"The abortion people"? Really?

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:22 PM

91. No, fuck them.

It's not just abortion. They don't even support legal birth control.

Evangelicals don't adopt kids from foreign countries out of a sense of openness. They do it so they can raise them as good Christian Americans, saving them from the ignorant swamp of their own culture and earn afterlife brownie points.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:23 PM

92. Let's leave the entire religious thing out of it.

Instead, let's invite people into our party who believe in our political platform, regardless of their religious beliefs.

If you would restrict a woman's right to manage her own reproductive choices, you do not belong in the Democratic Party.
Neither do you if you discriminate against LGBTQ people.
Nor do you if you espouse any form of racism.
Nor are misogynists of any variety welcome into the Democratic Party.
Not antisemites, either.
If you oppose labor unions, you are also not welcome.
If you think that people who need society's assistant should just "get a job," then we're not interested.
If you believe that people of other religions than your or of no religion at all are second-class citizens, just go away.

It is not religion that matters. It is the platform of the party. If you do not agree with that, we are the wrong party for you.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #92)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:00 PM

103. Amen to This! Lol!

All the pluses and up-votes to you.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #92)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:04 PM

105. Yes.

A Venn diagram of fundamentalist Christians and people who hold the opinions listed by MM would show a lot of overlap, but the issue isn't religious beliefs but political ones. Democrats can try to persuade people willing to accept its party platform regardless of what church they go to, but chances are there won't be a lot of takers among the fundies. Directing a lot of effort specifically at that group probably won't yield much bang for the buck.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:34 PM

93. That would be the straw that breaks this camels back

Time to pack it in, bug out to the shack in the woods and if necessary, make a final stand.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:40 PM

94. they used to be ours. good riddance

no republican anywhere could win an election without them, but the price is far too high.

the culture war, from abortion to creationism and every wild idea in between are non negotiable with that bunch.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:53 PM

95. Most of the Mennonites I know are "hippie", "earth-mother" types

This is South TX, so the relation to PA isn't there. They became Mennonites based on environmental/sustainable lifestyle.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 03:09 PM

97. I don't want to think about it, no need for the Democratic Party to embrace the American Taliban n/t

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 03:17 PM

98. The Democratic Party should be secular...nt

Sid

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 04:42 PM

100. I choose to be judged by the company I keep

If Democrats embrace Evangelicals I'm outta here.
By the way, I do not think Mennonites think of themselves as Evangelicals.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 04:52 PM

102. I have thought about it and nope....

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:03 PM

104. Never happen! And it's because of

A). Abortion
B). LGBTQ
C). Cannabis legalization

Evangelicals are against all three, hard against all three. And I say “Good, stay the HELL out of the Democratic Party.”

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:23 PM

109. after abortion, LGBTQ rights are the next "hitch"

there will always be another "hitch" for them
by the time Democrats smooth out all those "hitches" there won't be room for progressives in the party.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:45 PM

113. Hell, No.

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Response to hexola (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:42 PM

115. People are leaving the Christian faith in record numbers and they are dying off

In 10 or so years they may not even be a factor to worry about.

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