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Thu Dec 6, 2018, 08:32 PM

If a person is still a Republican, then they are a fucking asshole.

This really isn't that hard folks.

I still see talking heads talking about what Dems can do to reach out, contemplating a softening of the message.

There is nothing that can be done to reach out to a person that supports ripping a child from his/her mother. There is no way to soften the message. A person that supports tRump, a person that supports ripping a child from his/her mother, that person is a MOTHER FUCKING ASSHOLE. A person that supports a person who aligns with Russians, that person is a MOTHER FUCKING ASSHOLE.

I don't care if that person is a parent, a sibling, a boss, a long time friend. THAT PERSON IS A MOTHER FUCKING ASSHOLE.

It is an extremely uncomfortable position that we find ourselves in, but we didn't put ourselves into the position, they did. It will take a great deal of personal fortitude to get ourselves out of this uncomfortable position, but again, that is due to them, not us.

They are a mother fucking asshole, solution is simple, quit being a Republican.


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Reply If a person is still a Republican, then they are a fucking asshole. (Original post)
rufus dog Thursday OP
Hermit-The-Prog Thursday #1
sharedvalues Thursday #2
Atticus Thursday #3
rufus dog Thursday #18
SergeStorms Thursday #21
JI7 Friday #34
sharedvalues Friday #35
JI7 Friday #36
sharedvalues Friday #37
JI7 Friday #38
superpatriotman Friday #40
sharedvalues Friday #44
sharedvalues Friday #43
BigmanPigman Thursday #4
lostnfound Thursday #5
Gothmog Thursday #6
Charlotte Little Thursday #7
MrGrieves Thursday #12
Charlotte Little Thursday #16
MrGrieves Thursday #31
Fuzzpope Thursday #8
spike91nz Thursday #9
Iggo Thursday #10
AZmikey Thursday #11
MrGrieves Thursday #13
elmac Thursday #15
AZmikey Thursday #20
hostalover Thursday #24
rufus dog Thursday #22
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elmac Thursday #14
Pepsidog Thursday #17
Cernunnos_x Thursday #19
elmac Thursday #29
Cernunnos_x Friday #33
flyingfysh Thursday #23
rufus dog Thursday #26
jrthin Thursday #27
rufus dog Thursday #30
jrthin Friday #42
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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:02 PM

1. "I will not 'work together' to... "

Here's a thread posted by Different Drummer back in Sept, which has a good list of reasons NOT to work with Repugs:

"I will not 'work together' to..."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211143812

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:04 PM

2. Anyone who's educated about politics, YES.

If they know much about politics at all, and they're a Republican, I agree with you.

But a good part of that 30% GOP base is people who don't spend time on politics; they don't know what happened with kids in cages or Russians. They might have gotten a little from Fox news, and we know Fox lies about this stuff.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:15 PM

3. "they don't know what happened with kids in cages or Russians".

Who's fault is that? Are they not responsible for their willful ignorance?

As the bachelor farmers in Lake Wobegon would say: "Tellviddum!"

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:00 PM

18. Then don't vote

They don't get an out for being ignorant.

These people vote Repub because they are racists.

1. Don't be a Racist
2. Don't be a fucking asshole

Absolutely no need to coddle them.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:04 PM

21. If they don't know what they're voting for...

then they shouldn't vote. Simple as that. They shouldn't take the word of others, they shouldn't listen to Uncle Joe, or their next door neighbor. They shouldn't vote. Period.

There's an old legal saying, "Ignorantia legis neminem excusat." Ignorance of law excuses no one. Ignorance of voters should exclude them from voting. Unfortunately many Americans have turned elections into popularity contests. They're not, and the consequences of their actions are painfully obvious to us now. Or they should be. But the voters who don't know what they voted for are equally ignorant about the consequences of their actions.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:26 AM

34. this is just NOT true. they are racists. they KNOW kids are being taken from parents but are ok with

it because they are brown kids.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:56 AM

35. Fox tells them that Dems are worse

They don’t know the truth.
Fox tells them the cages are not really cages. And that Obama did it too.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:59 AM

36. who gives a shit. they have access to different media . they believe what they WANT to believe

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Response to JI7 (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:07 AM

37. They're brainwashed. Propaganda works

Propaganda worked for the Nazis and it works today.

Orwell warned us.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:11 AM

38. they aren't brainwashed , they are bigots who enjoy seeing minorties get hurt and killed

they are the ones who sit on juries with proof of innocent black people being killed but vote to acquit because they don't believe people should be punished for killing black people.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:45 AM

40. Can't they be both?

Know thine enemy.

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:38 PM

44. +1 exactly

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Response to JI7 (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:37 PM

43. Rightwing media tells them white people are the real victims.

No doubt some of the base is irredeemable.
But a good fraction of the base is merely braimwashed by rightwing media.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:32 PM

4. Agree 1,000,000,000,000,000%.

That is why my outgoing message on my phone has been"This is ***-****. Please leave a message, unless you are a Republican, than run along". I really wanted to say "fuck off" but since I screen all my calls I decided to be less offensive.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:35 PM

5. Republican is just a label. Agree with most of the rest.

Evan McMullin for example calls himself a Republican, but has been unequivocally anti-Trump and a patriot.

It may be best for people like that to stay “Republican” but fight to clean up their entire party. They’ve got a long, long road.

There’s room for two parties (or more), but the GOP needs to move off of the 5 yard line, out of the extremes, and get back in the middle. Get centrist, get respectful, give up their Machiavellian tactics and act like Americans again.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:39 PM

6. Agreed

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:03 PM

7. I can't agree with this

I know a republican couple who just stayed home back in 2016 who despise Trump and what he's doing. They may have even voted for CA dems this year (I haven't seen them since well before the midterms, so I don't know for sure.) But they are still registered voters and are hoping that Trump will be impeached and the party will go back to the good ol' party of Reagan. In their minds, conservatism means being fiscally conservative and working hard gets you places and all that other goopity-goop, ah-shucks, pull yourself up by the bootstraps kind of thinking. They are mortified, however, by what is happening to immigrants. They don't want illegal immigrants to cross the borders illegally, but they have no issue with folks who come here legally and I've never once heard them condone poor treatment of anyone, let alone an immigrant illegal or otherwise. Trump's hateful, evil rhetoric and his administration's actions have turned their stomachs.

They are not assholes and may be future democrats (like I said, they may have voted for dems this last election - they live in the OC, by the way. And the OC republicans got their asses handed to them in this last election.) No way am I willing to write them off just because they are still clinging their political party.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:43 PM

12. Those people aren't the ones that the OP is talking about.

The people in your story had enough and did something about it. It would seem that they got fed up. I believe the OP is talking about people who continue to support the GOP unquestioningly despite everything that has transpired.


TELVIDDUM!

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Response to MrGrieves (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:50 PM

16. Well, yes and no

The title says "If a person is still a Republican..."

My point about my friends is that they are still Republicans (last I checked earlier this year when I saw them last), but they hate the current administration and Trump. They just aren't willing to leave the party (yet).

No one should assume that someone who is still a Republican agrees with the nightmare we have now. If they are wearing a MAGA hat, well, that's different. Then, they are fucking assholes.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:51 PM

31. Yes I agree

I have family members like that.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:13 PM

8. They're unreachable, broken.

There is no meeting of the minds, they are like hard drives crammed full of corrupted data.

We do not possess (to our knowledge) the ability to reprogram them, or even assert that they should indeed be reformatted, wrong or right, we are stuck with them until the corruption source is choked off, and that machine is not going anywhere.

There is no solution to this sociological crisis, and the fracture is only going to worsen.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:25 PM

9. Recovery

We need to set up Republican recovery centers to help these people in their process of returning to reality. They can only be suffering a psychological disorder to remain in the fixed delusion, at this point. Admitting that they are wrong appears beyond their capacity, on their own. They need support, like cult members waking from a dream of blind faith. Maybe we could enlist those who have helped “end of times true believers” to recover their sense of reality and their rational capacity for reflective critical thinking.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:38 PM

10. I wish that wasn't true. (n/t)

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:41 PM

11. This is ugly.....and unnecessary

Plenty of republicans against trump, plenty of Independents that went trump, plenty of dems that stayed home Election Day, and plenty of blame to go around. Unproductive to cast such a wide net of hate.

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Response to AZmikey (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:45 PM

13. It is NOT enough to "Be Against Trump"

That's an easy scapegoat and a way to clear their conscience of the fact that they STILL support a party that is enabling and condoning his actions and his agenda.

TELLVIDDUM!

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Response to AZmikey (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:47 PM

15. its not just about tRump, its about being a part of a criminal organisation that destroys democracy

and murders people by the thousands with their fascist policies.

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Response to elmac (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:04 PM

20. Lol....

My dad is a republican and voted Clinton. Silly- part of a criminal organization? Please. He’s not a “mother fuckin asshole”. Op should be about trump supporters, not republicans.

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Response to AZmikey (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:15 PM

24. This makes sense to me.

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Response to AZmikey (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:07 PM

22. It is ugly and 100% necessary

These people are the Nazi enablers of our generation.

There is absolutely no excuse for them to continue to back tRump.

The only tRump supporters I have any respect for are the ones who are admitted racists. I'm good with that, they have admitted they can't make an educated decision based upon color or religion. They are 100% wrong but at least they are honest.

Staying home is one thing, at least a step in the right direction, but they need to understand tRump in a symptom, the disease is the Republican thought process dating back to Nixon.

Win at all costs, the ends justify the means, party before country. Not acceptable.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:23 PM

28. yep, anyone who calls themselves republican

are a part of the problem, they go along with the party, they support the party, they are terrorists and assholes, everyone.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:45 PM

14. Agree 1,000,000,000,000,000,000%. nt

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:58 PM

17. I refuse to engage with Rs. They are a lost cause.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:04 PM

19. I would suggest that if one is truly interested in siphoning off their votes,

then this should not be the game plan.

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Response to Cernunnos_x (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:24 PM

29. you will never get a con to vote for anyone but another fascist

its a pipe dream, so total war is the game plan.

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Response to elmac (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

33. We have a two party system, that's it.

To call those on the other side of the aisle fascists is counter productive.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:09 PM

23. you might want to modify that a little

Consider these Republicans: Mueller and Rosenstein. Republicans used to be a respectable political party.

Being a Republican doesn't necessarily mean supporting Trump and his nonsense.

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Response to flyingfysh (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:21 PM

26. The head of the party is tRump

McConnell leads the Senate, Ryan is Speaker of the House.

The current Repubs have two choices, run these people out, (they haven't) or break away.

Look at the Senate races last month. Look at the horrible tRump supporting people who won. They had plenty of off ramps, they didn't take them. The House was basically flipped in districts negatively impacted by the tRump tax cuts that screwed high income states.

If they haven't flipped been by all of the horrible things done by tRump then being nice won't do it. The small number available to flip will be flipped by being embarrassed to be a Repub.

Then again, you show me how the racists comprehend how flying the Confederate flag can be reasoned with I and may reconsider. What drove changes was enough Repubs (small %) being embarrassed to be associated with the racists.

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Response to flyingfysh (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:22 PM

27. What does being a Republican mean? No disrespect, I just don't understand

what policies republicans support that are advantageous to us in 2018. I really don't know.

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Response to jrthin (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:36 PM

30. What does it mean to me?

Prior to 2008 I had a different opinion. Prior to that I felt the majority of them felt trickle down economics worked. That they were basically selfishly motivated by taxes.

Then along came Sarah Palin, I watched her coronation at the Repub convention and sat is shock. She was basically a Hollywood type cast grade B movie bitch. The ignorant, hate filled person that bullied her way in but then got slapped down. I actually felt bad for Republicans.

Then they all went out (except for 1%) and voted for McCain/Palin.

Then they supported tRump, a proven racists, a birther. They had plenty of excuses, the SC, "Economic Anxiety," but one thing was clear based upon a decade of their actions. It ain't driven by being selfish, it is driven by race and hate.

tRump enriching himself, ignored. tRump supporting dictators, ignored. tRump disparaging military, ignored. tRump disparaging rule of law, ignored.

Again they have had a decade to drive to their county offices or go online and change their registration to Independent. They haven't, and being kind to them won't make it happen.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:03 AM

42. Thank you. I appreciate your response.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:16 PM

25. Been saying it for years,, and still do

GOP: Largest Organized Group of Bigots and Hate Mongers in the USA!

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:53 PM

32. I still regard my sister as Republican

I think she would say so as well.
But she voted for Obama twice.
She absolutely can't stand Trump.
We're on the same page on a lot of issues.
She is a fiscal conservative (not like Paul Ryan) - just wants the spending under control (ie military)
Her husband is a staunch Democrat.
But I still think of her as conservative and therefore, Republican - I guess in part because I'm quite progressive.
Some might describe her as a Blue Dog but to me, after years of debates, it doesn't quite fit.

Having said that, she is the most generous, decent person I've ever known - not a fucking asshole.

Unfortunately, that party has allowed a bunch of assholes to take over and with their money, brainwashed a lot of people.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:17 AM

39. I disagree. They arent assholes.

They are what comes out from assholes

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:58 AM

41. This. Every word, this. nt

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