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Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:13 AM

Dear gawd. It was all about massive plans for nuclear tech!! Russia/Saudi Arabia/et al. This is HUGE




For starters. And it’s even bigger

Plans to build up to 40 nuclear power plants across the Mideast. Saudi Arabia would have been the biggest power in the Mideast by far. Jared’s loans were his quid to the potential > $1 Trillion in construction costs for Mideast construction firms and access to nuclear technology

Listening to Proof of Collusion. It’s all in there!


more details in post #4

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Reply Dear gawd. It was all about massive plans for nuclear tech!! Russia/Saudi Arabia/et al. This is HUGE (Original post)
Roland99 Dec 6 OP
Turbineguy Dec 6 #1
allgood33 Dec 6 #2
Zoonart Dec 6 #3
certainot Dec 6 #18
yonder Dec 6 #27
Roland99 Dec 6 #29
Roland99 Dec 6 #4
The Liberal Lion Dec 6 #6
aggiesal Dec 6 #11
Hermit-The-Prog Dec 6 #33
Glimmer of Hope Dec 6 #22
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 6 #26
Hermit-The-Prog Dec 6 #32
Cha Dec 7 #35
watoos Dec 6 #5
Ford_Prefect Dec 6 #7
Roland99 Dec 6 #10
George II Dec 6 #8
neohippie Dec 6 #16
certainot Dec 6 #19
Roland99 Dec 6 #24
MrsCoffee Dec 6 #9
erronis Dec 6 #12
watoos Dec 6 #13
WeekiWater Dec 6 #14
colorado_ufo Dec 6 #15
watoos Dec 6 #17
NewJeffCT Dec 6 #20
elmac Dec 6 #21
They_Live Dec 6 #23
pecosbob Dec 6 #25
Grasswire2 Dec 6 #28
Roland99 Dec 6 #30
Grasswire2 Dec 6 #34
Roland99 Dec 7 #36
leftynyc Dec 6 #31

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:16 AM

1. It was to be

The Big Vig!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:22 AM

2. And remember two things: Iran wanted to build nuke plants for domestic use and

we wouldn't let them I guess because they would have been a formidable competition for our buddies the Saudis. Now it is becoming clear.

Second, remember when they tried to hang a scandal on HRC for the nuke deal our government agreed to with Russia?

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:43 AM

3. Can someone please explain to me...

how this is NOT all espionage?

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:31 AM

18. nope. global warming denial is tied to it in the sense that by letting it get bad enough

it would be easier to sell the state-funded centralized solutions like nuclear that the dinosaur companies could use to move on from fossil fuels without a bunch of small scale decentralized (democratized) innovation in alternatives cutting into their power and profits and ability to amortize their investments in dinosaurs.

MIC intel around the world has probably been geared for reviving nuclear for decades and would want to use an idiot like trump

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Response to certainot (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:11 PM

27. +1. thanks for this angle

I'll be paying more attention.

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Response to certainot (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:17 PM

29. Or the Saudis know they've passed peak oil and keeping it from everyone



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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:06 AM

4. The gist of it. And if this holds up, I don't see how they DON'T SPEND LIFE IN PRISON!!!

As the transition team does its work in December 2016, a small (if overlapping) group of additional Trump aides, associates, and allies—including Michael Flynn, Tom Barrack, Rick Gates, and Bud McFarlane—do a different sort of work: they lobby Trump to give nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia so that Russian companies and others can get billions of dollars in contracts to build nuclear reactors in the Middle East.

The proposal would “require lifting sanctions on Russia,” according to Reuters, to allow currently sanctioned Russian companies to partner with American entities to build reactors in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates—the latter nation, too, because, under the terms of a deal signed many years ago by the United States, if the American government relaxes nuclear-weapon safeguards on Saudi Arabia, a “gold standard” clause from a past U.S.-UAE nuclear deal would ultimately entitle the UAE to enrich uranium as well. As explained by ProPublica, “Saudi Arabia needs approval from the U.S. in order to receive sensitive American technology. Past negotiations broke down because the Saudi government wouldn’t commit to certain safeguards against eventually using the technology for weapons. Now the Trump administration has reopened those talks and might not insist on the same precautions.”

Abramson, Seth. Proof of Collusion: How Trump Betrayed America . Simon & Schuster. Kindle Edition.


60. Isaac Arnsdorf, “White House May Share Nuclear Power Technology with Saudi Arabia,” ProPublica, November 29, 2017, https://www.propublica.org/article/white-house-may-share-nuclear-power-technology-with-saudi-arabia. 61. Reuters, “Saudi Arabia Says It Has Options if U.S. Walks Away from Nuclear Power Deal,” Haaretz, March 25, 2018, https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/saudi-arabia-says-it-has-options-if-u-s-walks-from-nuclear-power-deal-1.5938599; Warren Strobel, “Exclusive: Mideast nuclear plan backers bragged of support of top Trump aide Flynn,” Reuters, December 1, 2017, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-flynn-nuclear-exclusive/exclusive-mideast-nuclear-plan-backers-bragged-of-support-of-top-trump-aide-flynn-idUSKBN1DV5Z6.

Abramson, Seth. Proof of Collusion: How Trump Betrayed America . Simon & Schuster. Kindle Edition.




This has all been available thru various news sources and the Steele Dossier

Seth has done an AMAZING job compiling it all into an easy to follow medium

I canNOT recommend this book or audiobook enough

i mean...dear f'n gawd!!

In January 2017, however, what the Saudis (and Emiratis) most want from Trump is nuclear technology—specifically, sales of same without a Section 123 Agreement prohibiting the Saudis from ever weaponizing their uranium. The opportunity exists, should the United States assent to these sales, for all parties to get what they want: the Trumps, as much as a billion dollars; the Russians, an end to sanctions; the Saudis and the UAE, nuclear reactors, an easing of Russian support for Iran, and the right to enrich uranium without prohibitions on its subsequent weaponization; Qatar, an end to the Saudi blockade, the favor of the Trump administration, and a very large—and likely to grow, should sanctions on Russia end—private stake in Russia’s state-owned oil company.

Abramson, Seth. Proof of Collusion: How Trump Betrayed America . Simon & Schuster. Kindle Edition.

100. Steve Mufson, “Pompeo: Saudis must not enrich uranium if it seeks civilian nuclear cooperation,” Washington Post, May 24, 2018, https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/pompeo-saudis-must-not-enrich-uranium-if-it-seeks-civilian-nuclear-cooperation/2018/05/24/714c5e30-5f92-11e8-a4a4-c070ef53f315_story.html?utm_term=.13d5782b6cf8.

Abramson, Seth. Proof of Collusion: How Trump Betrayed America . Simon & Schuster. Kindle Edition.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:29 AM

6. Oh what a tangled web we weave.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:38 AM

11. And this is a huge reason why ...

it was illegal to accept campaign donations from foreign entities,
and that we have the emoluments clause, so that the grifting trumpeters, can't enrich themselves.

Welcome to the world of Citizens United.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:39 PM

33. oligarchs have purchased SCOTUS, WH, Senate

The ultra rich class that GOPers have been feeding since Reagan own communications, SCOTUS, WH, Senate and many state houses. Trump and McConnell are disposable tools.

It's going to take a few more blue waves to make sure democracy survives global oligarchs.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:43 AM

22. Thank you for this and the book recommendation.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:36 PM

26. Booooooommm!!! Lock him up!! Lock him up!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:00 PM

32. treason


Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii


And ...


18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:36 AM

35. REC!!!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:24 AM

5. I mean, I know that Israel and SA,

are buddies now working against Iran. If I were Israel I would think twice about SA getting nuclear facilities.
SA has a brutal leader right now, and he is young. He has murdered a journalist in a brutal, disgusting manner to show the world how brutal he is. If this nuclear deal goes through, it is insane.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:31 AM

7. Citations of sources would help please.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:36 AM

10. edited post #4

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:32 AM

8. Thankfully no nuclear materials can be sold to any other country without Congressional approval.

And all that material is carefully controlled, so it can't be smuggled out of the country.

That was the lunacy of the Uranium One deal that the rightwingers have been whining about for years. We DIDN'T sell all that uranium to Russia. The company was sold to a Canadian company owned in part by a Russian company. But all they can do is mine uranium in the US and sell it to American companies. It can't leave the country.

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Response to George II (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:56 AM

16. But, this was a deal for the Russians to sell to Saudis

This wasn't a deal for US companies to sell to the Saudis, Flynn was working to allow the Russians to make the deal

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Response to neohippie (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:34 AM

19. and flynn probably driven by want saudi to control terrorism in ME!

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Response to certainot (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:54 PM

24. Traitor isn't a strong enough term!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:35 AM

9. Projecting MF'ers once again.

Hillary sent 20% of our uranium to Russia!!!!



Everything they accuse someone else of. I bet Mueller could just follow the fake accusations.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:40 AM

12. Not sure that "plutonium" is part of the deal.

My understanding is that nuclear (nuculear) power plants use uranium. Plutonium can be produced by plants under the right conditions. At least that's my rudimentary remembrances of physics lessons long past.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:40 AM

13. If this nuclear deal falls apart,

look for the prices of oil and gasoline to skyrocket. I believe that Russia and SA have been keeping the price of crude down as a favor to Trump, another part of the Quid.

Russia and SA are glorified gas stations, they aren't going to keep biting the bullet keeping crude at $50 a barrel.

Of course starting a war with Iran would do the trick too.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:44 AM

14. I wonder if this will all become easier for the parties involved...

When we end our nuclear deal with Russia? I know it mostly deals with arms.

https://www.armscontrol.org/print/2556

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:50 AM

15. This is news that we already had months ago but fell through the cracks.

This is what the meeting in the Seychelles was all about. The one that included Erik Prince.

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:17 AM

17. It's not supposed to be the narrative.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:38 AM

20. So, Trump harping on Uranium One

was more projection from him

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:41 AM

21. I wonder how many repug congressmen have been making these back channel deals

for some payola?

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:49 AM

23. One explanation of the high-five

and all smiles between SA and Russia at the G20.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:27 PM

25. Nuclear tech to the Saudis

Kidnapping Gulen for Erdogan, dropping sanctions for Putin, Putin gets to sell Arctic reserves to Exxon and the Saudis get a nice thank you war with Iran for Christmas. Netanyahu is undoubtedly in there somewhere as well. The only thing that's stopped the Exxon boys from riding into Tehran on tanks is Putin.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:14 PM

28. Give the author a little credit.

Seth Abramson.

Proof of Collusion.

NYT best seller.

Tweeting his evidence for many months now.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:18 PM

30. See post 4

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:46 PM

34. Sorry....obviously I was reading from down to up. :-) NT

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 03:00 AM

36. Heh. No worries. I shoulda added a bit more in the op

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:27 PM

31. Well, sure

Why not give nukes to the country that sent us the 9/11 hijackers, finances every sunni terrorist organization on the planet and cuts apart journalists with a buzz saw. What could possibly go wrong?

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