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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:01 PM Dec 2018

State AGs Just Subpoenaed All Of Trump's Tax Returns

From the article:

The state attorney generals who are suing Donald Trump for Emoluments Clause violations are demanding that he turn over all of his tax returns.
Read the subpoenas:

The truth about Trump’s corrupt abuse of the presidency is coming to light, and the end result could be impeachment of this president.


To see the subpoenas:

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/12/04/state-ags-just-subpoenaed-all-of-trumps-tax-returns.html
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State AGs Just Subpoenaed All Of Trump's Tax Returns (Original Post) guillaumeb Dec 2018 OP
That's interesting. If the court directs him to turn over the tax dox and he doesn't, 3Hotdogs Dec 2018 #1
These are state level suits. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #2
I was certain you were wrong about it being criminal corts grantcart Dec 2018 #24
It is a civil suit brought by the AGs of MD and DC in the US District Court for Maryland onenote Dec 2018 #29
That makes sense grantcart Dec 2018 #36
I was once held in contempt of court ashling Dec 2018 #31
States do not need Trump to do it. They can go directly to the IRS who cannot refuse a court order. berni_mccoy Dec 2018 #41
The subpoenas are for his various entities so the requests are not for his personal tax returns. Glimmer of Hope Dec 2018 #3
Thank you. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #4
The OP quotes the article as saying "all." The writer's misunderstanding? Faulty journalism? ancianita Dec 2018 #21
That web site is a bit sketchy. I skimmed the subpoenas last night and none of the requests Glimmer of Hope Dec 2018 #23
Thanks. ancianita Dec 2018 #27
Whoever wrote that article leftynyc Dec 2018 #5
I am thankful that I did not write the article. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #6
Those kinds of mistakes leftynyc Dec 2018 #7
Yep. geardaddy Dec 2018 #19
Not related to this, but I like the headline of the article directly below the one you linked Victor_c3 Dec 2018 #22
Lol! Kaleva Dec 2018 #32
its also one state (MD) and the District of Columbia onenote Dec 2018 #30
I agree that Attorneys General is more correct, but both are accepted these days. LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #42
it should read "attorneys general" niyad Dec 2018 #8
If I had written it, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #10
I know it was not your mistake. as an editor, these things irritate me. niyad Dec 2018 #14
In the future, I may youse (sic) my ability guillaumeb Dec 2018 #16
Wow,that was fast. Wellstone ruled Dec 2018 #9
Fake news? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #11
Now the lawyers start wracking up billables Roland99 Dec 2018 #12
Will there be money to pay them? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #13
As long as they accept rubles Roland99 Dec 2018 #15
Laughing at my desk. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #17
The two subpoena documents combined are 492 pages!! George II Dec 2018 #18
PoliticsUSA doesn't have time for spell check? IronLionZion Dec 2018 #20
K&R UTUSN Dec 2018 #25
He is not going to be impeached kimbutgar Dec 2018 #26
It might be better if he is not. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #38
it's as if he is attending his own funeral today n/t orleans Dec 2018 #28
The state "attorney generals"? red dog 1 Dec 2018 #33
Can't they subpoena them Mr.Bill Dec 2018 #34
Go Maryland! Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #35
Can he refuse to hand them over? Amaryllis Dec 2018 #37
That is a good question for the lawyers here. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #39
the judge has granted discovery according to WaPo article onetexan Dec 2018 #43
Thank you for the link. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #44
Rec # 100. Thanks, Nt. Mc Mike Dec 2018 #40

3Hotdogs

(12,210 posts)
1. That's interesting. If the court directs him to turn over the tax dox and he doesn't,
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:10 PM
Dec 2018

does he lose the suit and have to sell the crappy properties or pay a fine? What remedies does the suit ask for?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. These are state level suits.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:16 PM
Dec 2018

So Trump could not pardon himself.

Trump has much experience with civil courts, but these are criminal courts.

I think we are all looking forward to seeing what happens.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
24. I was certain you were wrong about it being criminal corts
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:53 PM
Dec 2018

However if it is enforcing a charge on emoluments then that would have to be Federal and not state.

It is doubtful that a President could pardon himself as you cannot undertake a pardon to further a crime.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
36. That makes sense
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:17 PM
Dec 2018

I read the article at the link and got sloppy. It states "could lead to criminal charges" which is speculative to say the keast

ashling

(25,771 posts)
31. I was once held in contempt of court
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:11 PM
Dec 2018

for not answering after my name was called 3rd time. I had been stopped by Highway Patrol and was a few minutes late for court. ( My old Ford picyup threw a rod and was not steering well, so Highway Patrol pulled me over to see if I was drinking - I was sober ... the judge was drunk w/ power) Judge fined me $25 and told the Sheriff to not let me leave the courthouse until it was paid.

I never paid anything, the sheriff let me go, and the judge forgot about it.

Maybe Trump could be held in contempt and in jail until they were produced.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
41. States do not need Trump to do it. They can go directly to the IRS who cannot refuse a court order.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:55 AM
Dec 2018

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
3. The subpoenas are for his various entities so the requests are not for his personal tax returns.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:27 PM
Dec 2018

Maxine will get those.

ancianita

(35,816 posts)
21. The OP quotes the article as saying "all." The writer's misunderstanding? Faulty journalism?
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:17 PM
Dec 2018

Sorry I haven't had the time to read the subpoenas to find out.

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
23. That web site is a bit sketchy. I skimmed the subpoenas last night and none of the requests
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:50 PM
Dec 2018

are for his personal tax returns.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. I am thankful that I did not write the article.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:31 PM
Dec 2018

I rarely correct or comment on such issues. That is my daughter's job as a copy editor.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
7. Those kinds of mistakes
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:33 PM
Dec 2018

stick out like a sore thumb to me. I didn't even read the rest of the sentence.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
22. Not related to this, but I like the headline of the article directly below the one you linked
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:29 PM
Dec 2018

“Grieving Nation Solemnly Waits Extra Day For Their Amazon Shit”

I love satire, it’s often so true and really points to our attitudes as a society.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
42. I agree that Attorneys General is more correct, but both are accepted these days.
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:14 PM
Dec 2018

Attorneys General is a form that is falling from favor and probably will be considered archaic in a century or so.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. If I had written it,
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:43 PM
Dec 2018

it would have.

I see this type of error all the time, in magazines, papers, and posts here.

I am a literature major, and my oldest daughter is a copy editor. We frequently exchange examples of this sort of thing.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. Wow,that was fast.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:42 PM
Dec 2018

So the make the so called Rich Guy a poor Man is now in full swing. Damn,lovin it. Woo Hoo!!

IronLionZion

(45,261 posts)
20. PoliticsUSA doesn't have time for spell check?
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:08 PM
Dec 2018

This article is full of mistakes. It makes them look unprofessional and lose some credibility.

kimbutgar

(20,882 posts)
26. He is not going to be impeached
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:59 PM
Dec 2018

We are stuck with him until he is booted out of office in 2020 in a landslide lost.

Mr.Bill

(24,104 posts)
34. Can't they subpoena them
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:28 PM
Dec 2018

directly from the IRS? I would imagine Mueller may have them already.

I was on a Grand Jury once and we needed to subpoena someone's medical records. We did it directly from the hospital, not the person in question.

onetexan

(12,994 posts)
43. the judge has granted discovery according to WaPo article
Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:41 PM
Dec 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2-attorneys-general-to-subpoena-trump-organization-irs/2018/12/04/d20a5106-f7fd-11e8-8642-c9718a256cbd_story.html?utm_term=.252139f9af8d

and i take it to mean there is legal standing for the subpoenas, and if so, the IRS has no choice but to comply:

"The flurry of subpoenas came a day after U.S. District Court Judge Peter J. Messitte approved a brisk schedule for discovery in the case alleging that foreign and domestic government spending at Trump’s Washington, D.C., hotel amounts to gifts to the president in violation of the Constitution’s emoluments clause."
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