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Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:46 AM

Please allow me to posit that

the big boys play the long game, much like the military does in a major war.

Think of Trump's "election" as a Pearl Harbor-type event. The people and the brass are unprepared for the calamity and are seemingly slow to react and recover. The wounded and the dead are attended to with appropriate salves and rites and beneath the decks on the man-o'-war, preparations are slowly but deliberately made for the retaliation which only comes over what seems like an eternity following the initial insult.

Now career politicians, like the military, know that there will be casualties in the battles which will be fought. They are inevitable and tragic, but a great politician, like a great general, plans his or her campaigns to minimize the wounded and the dead while still achieving the objective in a reasonable amount of time. For America, this miscreant was able to disrupt but not demolish the Union and the armies have been assembled and the incursions have been planned and executed. The people in charge of seeing to it that the government functions continuously, who rank above anyone else who is transiently elected to public office quietly set things in motion.

Yes there have been many casualties, but one thing about America: it fights its wars, has its tragedies, its earthquakes, floods, epidemics, depressions and recessions, but in the long run it continues as the capitalist empire's flagship nation. It counts its dead, buries them, and moves forward. Yes this has been awful; yes this has been a monument to lying stupidity and false-prophets, but we are beginning to eradicate this pestilence which has infected the White House and the replacements are being groomed as we speak.

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Reply Please allow me to posit that (Original post)
PCIntern Dec 5 OP
Cirque du So-What Dec 5 #1
vlyons Dec 5 #2
PCIntern Dec 5 #3
erronis Dec 5 #4
Trueblue Texan Dec 5 #8
Wounded Bear Dec 5 #15
pangaia Dec 5 #17
Trueblue Texan Dec 6 #26
Stonepounder Dec 6 #23
erronis Dec 5 #5
DinahMoeHum Dec 5 #6
2naSalit Dec 5 #7
Cosmocat Dec 5 #9
FakeNoose Dec 5 #11
Cosmocat Dec 5 #14
PufPuf23 Dec 6 #25
Cheviteau Dec 5 #10
brush Dec 5 #13
Caliman73 Dec 5 #18
brush Dec 5 #21
PCIntern Dec 5 #22
Perseus Dec 5 #12
PCIntern Dec 5 #16
elleng Dec 5 #19
PCIntern Dec 5 #20
relayerbob Dec 6 #24
ananda Dec 6 #27

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:41 AM

1. Well said

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:48 AM

2. I disagree

The pestilence is the unregulated capitalism that has bought our gov.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:51 AM

3. Sorry but that's a perennial "given"

And thatís how it is and will always be, whether some like it or not. They see to that as well my friend.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:12 AM

4. Agree on the "unregulated capitalism". The key is the "unregulated"

One of the functions of a working government is to provide a framework and rules for the operation of markets and trading. What has happened has been an erosion of the rules over time. And those that want to maximize their profits will continuously strive to take advantage of the system. I don't know how we can get closer to some ideal that doesn't include concepts such as "too big to fail".

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Response to erronis (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:40 AM

8. I'm not sure this is entirely true...

...real capitalism works when better products and services are developed to increase profits. That is an ideal form. But what has been going on here is profit making by means of legislative advantage, which doesn't serve humanity or the planet. It seems to me real capitalist principle could be making great progress toward resolving problems in global climate change, for one example. But the legislative advantage road has been made too smooth. We need to make corruption more risky, less profitable to set capitalism aright in this nation.

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:59 AM

15. Nice try, but...

positing "ideal" systems where Capitalism goes all kumbaya with the rest of the world is hooey.

Unregulated capitalism leads to monopoly, fascism, and ultimately to authoritarianism.

History tells us not to live in some dream world where capitalists somehow have a coming to jesus moment and start acting in any way other than promoting profits.

"Capitalism" will not come to your dreamland without serious steering by democratic forces.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:18 PM

17. Thank you for the correction. :)



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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:41 AM

26. nobody said Capitalism should be unregulated.

In fact, it actually works better with regulation. Of course. The concept that maximizing profits causes the problems we are living with is what I have a problem with. I think it's great to maximize profits--that's what Capitalism is about. It's THE WAY profits have been maximized that have caused so much harm. When corruption facilitates WHICH regulations are implemented or dropped, we all pay and so does the planet. There is no fairness in such a system and there is only the goal of profit at the expense of health of all. Completely unsustainable.

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Response to erronis (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:46 AM

23. I have believed for most of my life that ANY -ism

carried to the extreme ends up being a disaster. Whether that -ism is fascism, socialism, feudalism, communism, capitalism, any other -ism.

Saying that corporations have no morals or ethics is not a slam on corporations, just a simple statement of fact. Just as governments impose limitations on things like freedom of speech (you can't shout fire in a crowded theater unless there is on), freedom of religion (you can't practice a religion that calls for human sacrifice), so there must be limitations on Capitalism.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:14 AM

5. Nicely posited. I could almost hear some patriotic music in the background.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:26 AM

6. As my county executive said to me (back in early 2017). . .

"If you want to get to Berlin, first you have to get to Normandy"

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:35 AM

7. Well stated...nt

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:15 AM

9. Except the reality is that the we are losing ground

each republican spurt of fuck wittery gets worse, the country becomes more inoculated to it, and democrats push back is less expansive.

The great democratic pushes were FDR, Kennedy and Johnson - real progressive gains were made.

Then Nixon - a "mere" domestic political scandal. There was a modicum of consequences and accountability, some people saw actual jail time and Nixon was forced to resign. It is important to note that while he was a lunatic, Nixon DID advance or try to advance some decent policies like the EPA.

Ford pardoned him and the electorate held him accountable for it.

Carter was a fine man and was doing the right thing, but got punished by the electorate, Reagen rat fucked the hostage situation and put the smiling face to conservative fuckwittery - the BIG advance in normalizing right wing fuck wittery.

He then ran simultaneous illegal international arms deals - including being a big player in domestic drug sales to fund some of it - claimed incompetence to get out of any responsibility. VERY minimal responsibility for an even worse scandal than Watergate. He has been cast as one of the great POTUS.

Clinton was a solid POTUS, had some fuckups, but the republicans spent 8 years losing their minds and bending over backwards trying to take him down. Important to note - what policy achievements Clinton had were mostly "centrist" or even slightly right leaning.

Given the choice between an experienced public servent and decent man in Al Gore and an inept son of priviledge in Bush II, the country opted to go with the "guy you would like to have a beer with ..."

Bush II lied the country into Iraq - an even worse scandal than Iran/Contra, and there literally was no accountability for it. The party used 9-11 as a sledge hammer for 6 years until it played out.

BHO was near perfect as POTUS, but his primary policy achievement was enacting the REPUBLICAN version of health care, which they used to gin their brain dead base into a deranged rage, and massively turned over the levels of power in DC and at the state level.

Now - the country elected a deranged sociopath POTUS, enabled him to pack not only the supreme court, but ongoing the lower courts, with completely committed partisan right wing nut jobs.

Yeah, we got a really good mid term win. We also had a really good mid term win in 06, and BHO won in 08.

The country saw fit in 2010 to give the republicans the biggest mid term blowout in lives ...

YES, there is a nice charge of re-enlightenment at this time.

But, the pattern is pretty clear that this country will turn on a dime to indulge whatever horribleness or stupidity that republicans gin up and lose their minds over because ... LIBERAL!

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:36 AM

11. Yes to all of this, but I believe Reagan doomed us

The group of extremely wealthy people behind Reagan were the ones who played the long game of rat-fuckery that eventually led to Trump. In Reagan's 8 years the people of the United States lost so much ground that we'll probably never catch up. As you know, that was almost 40 years ago, since then we liberals/progressives can barely manage to tread water.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:54 AM

14. YEP

Been a slow slide my entire adult life.

Had heartburn over it since the early 90s.

Can't for the life of me figure out why this country indulges the bullshit.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:54 AM

25. Nice summary. Thank you.

I was subject to the draft in 1971 and first voted in the 1972 elections so had the POTUS experiences.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:23 AM

10. Then Let Me Posit

What you posted is a long version of "The Pendulum Swings." No, we will never deliver ourselves from greedy politicians who identify as Republicans. They have been with us for the past one hundred years, and they will be with us for the duration. If we don't start teaching our country's history in our schools, they will eventually win out. I was born in Roosevelt's second term and have been a political junkie all my life. I'm not a wise man by any stretch...but I think I can sense what's next. We must keep up the good fight.

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Response to Cheviteau (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:51 AM

13. What's next is the inevitable repug recession. Their favor-the-rich policies always result...

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in economic downturn for everyone else. The recent big drops and volatility in the market signals what's coming.

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Response to brush (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:24 PM

18. Yes. Then Democrats get elected, give everyone their medicine, fix the situation...

Then the Republicans say, "Democrats want to control your lives..." and the madness starts again. That is what I hate. Republicans ruin the economy, Democrats pick up the pieces and put us back on track and then Republicans try to take credit for the recovery.

What I really hate is that the really stupid fall for it, and most of the rest are so tired that they sit out elections.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:20 PM

21. Yep, and the repugs never stop complaining about debt 'til they get in, then it's crickets.

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Response to brush (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:18 PM

22. It's Lucy with the football...

everytime...

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:39 AM

12. Bravo

Concise and inspiring...well done.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:34 AM

16. Don't get me wrong:

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Iím not saying that we wonít get some RW asshole as a President again- we most certainly will. Itís just that this guy and his minions are off the rails entirely

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:37 PM

19. True IF 'the people in charge' are GOOD, and really ACT.

Are we confident about that today?

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Response to elleng (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:43 PM

20. Not an issue of good and bad

Loyal citizens of the country vs Spies and sedition

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:09 AM

24. Excellent!! Clear, concise and true

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:46 AM

27. Most affluent people are fine.

This is a war on the poor and middle class,
and they are the ones suffering and dying
in mostly silent desperation.

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