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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:05 AM Dec 2018

WHOA! NC absentee scandal just got crazy more interesting!!

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1070149544724365312.html


1. Wow. There is a subplot to the election fraud scheme unfolding in North Carolina that is absolutely insane.

This is DEEP in the weeds, but worth it.

Let's go.

2. So Jeff Smith owns a "video sweepstakes" business in Bladen County, which is apparently a place you an go and win money for playing video games.

The head of the Bladen County GOP, Landon Bordeaux, goes to Smith and says that he's about to get raided by the current sheriff.

3. But Bordeaux says, there's an out. If Jim McVicker wins the 2014 election for sheriff, Smith will be in the clear.

Bordeaux asks Smith to give McCrae Dowless $4000 IN CASH to help McVicker win. So Smith does it.

And it works. McVicker wins by 350 votes!

4. But Smith gets stabbed in the back. McVicker raids his video-sweepstakes operation BACKED UP BY HELICOPTERS. Smith is pissed.

5. But apparently Smith does not blame McCrae Dowless, who, after all, did what he what he was supposed to do (If you overlook breaking N Carolina law)

Smith agrees to let McCrae Dowless use an empty office in a building Smith owns to run his absentee ballot operation for Harris
standby have to take a phone call

6. OK, I'm back. So anyway everything is going swimmingly between McCrae Dowless and Smith until Smith finds out that McCrae Dowless isn't just running his (probably illegal) absentee ballot operation for Harris -- he's also helping Smith's arch nemesis McVicker!

7. This is apparently when Smith and McCrae Dowless become "former friends." So when the current controversy erupts, Smith is more than happy to dime out McCrae Dowless to the Washington Post.

Shows them the desk where Dowless sat and recieved the absentee ballots from his crew

8. Smith basically describes a whole bunch of illegal conduct by McCrae Dowless in fairly devastating fashion

Well, someone (I don't know who, but maybe McCrae Dowless) wasn't happy about that

Today, an even more devastating story emerged on Smith

9. The story on Smith involves a meeting that occurred during the 2018 primary. Smith was supporting Billy Ward in the GOP Primary to oust McVicker.

At this point, he's not working WITH McCrae Dowless, he's on his own now

At some point he attended a meeting & left behind NOTES

10. So today, one day after Smith dimed out McCrae Dowless to the Washington Post, these notes, written by Smith, make their way into the hands of a North Carolina reporter

And they show Smith cooking up a scheme to pay CASH for UNSEALED ABSENTEE BALLOTS



11. Smith was clearly desperate to oust McVicker. But he's not as good at rigging absentee ballots as McCrae Dowless.

McVicker defeated his opponent and is still sheriff.

Where is goes from here -- I have no idea.
A lot of the details in this story come from a great New Yorker article that came out a couple hours ago so, I also recommend reading that:
Republican Operative Faced Prior Allegations of Election Fraud in Disputed North Carolina District
Doug Bock Clark on allegations of election fraud, dating back to 2014, against the Republican operative Leslie McCrae Dowless, who helped the Mark Harris House campaign in North Carolina‘s Ninth Cong…
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/republican-operative-faced-prior-allegations-of-election-fraud-in-disputed-north-carolina-district



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WHOA! NC absentee scandal just got crazy more interesting!! (Original Post) Roland99 Dec 2018 OP
I think I saw this movie, wasn't Burt Reynolds in the lead grantcart Dec 2018 #1
It does seem straight out of a Hiassen novel, doesn't it? Pacifist Patriot Dec 2018 #22
Soon to be Coen brothers film grantcart Dec 2018 #23
The Ballad of Busted Skuzz? Roland99 Dec 2018 #24
THAT's what it reminded me of. Missing a NC alligator Hortensis Dec 2018 #31
Financial ties to the GOP! Roland99 Dec 2018 #2
Going back to 2014. BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #3
election fraud Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #4
What is the difference between the two types of fraud? BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #5
fake election vs fake voter Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #7
Voter Fraud (which is almost non-existant)... GReedDiamond Dec 2018 #9
Election fraud uses the process to steal votes by the thousands blm Dec 2018 #27
I learn so much from DU. BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #29
👊🏼 blm Dec 2018 #32
Normally these things are nameless and well concealed Awsi Dooger Dec 2018 #6
Need to look into Thom Tillis 'win' in 2014 which was unexpected blm Dec 2018 #28
This sounds like "Dukes of Hazard" -- McRae Dowless? Seriously? You can't make this stuff up. LuckyLib Dec 2018 #8
waiting for Dudley Doright to ride in Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #10
And this is why elections should occur ONLY on election day with hand counted paper ballots at the diva77 Dec 2018 #11
"corruption of the chain of custody" Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #13
Except where the post office workers keep them inste Bluesaph Dec 2018 #14
Not a problem in my state. Qutzupalotl Dec 2018 #30
I've thought of doing mail-in absentee ballot. But Early Voting fixes that Roland99 Dec 2018 #18
This just keeps getting better and better pecosbob Dec 2018 #12
This is crazy. They just need to redo the election in that country for the local races. SweetieD Dec 2018 #15
Does anyone remember the firebomb of a gop office in North Carolina during 2016? SweetieD Dec 2018 #16
That particular incident was probably done by a tiny anarchists group. yardwork Dec 2018 #20
I've been wondering how the gop managed to get so many such votes. BSdetect Dec 2018 #17
UPDATE - Handwriting on note matches public documents Roland99 Dec 2018 #19
+1 progressoid Dec 2018 #21
Another update!! More than 1,000 absentee ballots possibly destroyed!!! Roland99 Dec 2018 #25
So this is a deep state, librul plot oswaldactedalone Dec 2018 #26

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. THAT's what it reminded me of. Missing a NC alligator
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:35 PM
Dec 2018

chewing off Smith's leg and a bloody stump as he staggers about his plotting is all.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
3. Going back to 2014.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:10 AM
Dec 2018

WOW. They are going to have to have a reelection and clean out all the voter fraud as well.

This prove, along with Wisconsin, GA and FL that the only way the GOP can win is through cheating, lying and stealing. The GOP should be renamed the GCOP(Greedy Corrupt Old Party).

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,250 posts)
4. election fraud
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:15 AM
Dec 2018

The evidence points to election fraud. Unless I'm missing something, there's no evidence showing voter fraud.

Scheming GOPers hate democracy.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,250 posts)
7. fake election vs fake voter
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:20 AM
Dec 2018

Here, you have people conspiring to alter the election process itself; damaging the rights of multiple, presumed innocent voters.

Voter fraud is where a person attempts to vote when they do not have the right; typically, voting more than once or under an assumed name.

GReedDiamond

(5,310 posts)
9. Voter Fraud (which is almost non-existant)...
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:28 AM
Dec 2018

...is when an individual person/voter commits Voter Fraud by, for example, registering in two different places/states, so it could be possible to vote more than once. I think Ann Coulter was an example of this scenario.

Electoral Fraud is when there is an organized effort, usually by members of the "Republican Party," to rig elections in general, using such tactics as had been most recently used in North Carolina. Absentee ballots were being collected by fake "election workers" and were apparently never turned in for counting, meaning massive numbers of votes were never counted. I think the fake election workers were also sometimes filling out ballots for some people, but not the way they would have voted - those ballots were turned in for counting.

blm

(113,010 posts)
27. Election fraud uses the process to steal votes by the thousands
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:57 PM
Dec 2018

While voter fraud is committed by an individual to cast one vote.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
29. I learn so much from DU.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:00 PM
Dec 2018

Thanks for helping to clarify this. No one ever makes me feel like an idiot when I ask a legit question.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
6. Normally these things are nameless and well concealed
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:19 AM
Dec 2018

That's what is astonishing to me. This guy Leslie McCrae Dowless has his name attached all over the place going back multiple cycles yet somehow was allowed to continue into 2018.

Some news organization should have been all over this based on 2016 and following Dowless' every move in 2018.

diva77

(7,629 posts)
11. And this is why elections should occur ONLY on election day with hand counted paper ballots at the
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 01:34 AM
Dec 2018

PRECINCT level with public oversight. Results for each precinct are posted AT the precinct PRIOR to ballots leaving the premises. Exceptions could be made for people with special needs.

This way you don't have corruption of the chain of custody, which is part of the problem with what occurred with this mad tale from NC.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,250 posts)
13. "corruption of the chain of custody"
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:28 AM
Dec 2018

You've boiled the problem here down to its essence.

Voter education could help a lot -- ballots should go into secure drop-boxes or the U.S. Postal Service.

Qutzupalotl

(14,286 posts)
30. Not a problem in my state.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:01 PM
Dec 2018

In Oregon, voters can check that their ballot was received and even observe the sorting process at the precinct.

It would be hard to rig an election under vote-by-mail, since tampering or interfering with mail delivery is already a felony. Hardly worth it for one vote.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
18. I've thought of doing mail-in absentee ballot. But Early Voting fixes that
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:21 AM
Dec 2018

I disagree with one day. Should be a full week-long event to allow people to vote in-person.

pecosbob

(7,533 posts)
12. This just keeps getting better and better
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 02:07 AM
Dec 2018

It's a freaking Dukes of Hazzard episode...

darn I got beat.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
16. Does anyone remember the firebomb of a gop office in North Carolina during 2016?
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:08 AM
Dec 2018

They never found who did that. I always suspected that it was an inside job done by local gop members to smear dems. Hopefully with the national eye pointed toward north carolina some journalist will revisit that story and investigate. Local law enforcement are probably republican and if they knew it was an inside job by a republican they would never charge the person.

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
20. That particular incident was probably done by a tiny anarchists group.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:00 AM
Dec 2018

They also bombed a Democratic office at the same time. That got much less publicity, natch.

BSdetect

(8,994 posts)
17. I've been wondering how the gop managed to get so many such votes.
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:15 AM
Dec 2018

Now we know this one method they exploited.

What about other such scams?

They are real "ratfuckers".

Probably protected by powerful friends in key places.





Roland99

(53,342 posts)
19. UPDATE - Handwriting on note matches public documents
Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:40 AM
Dec 2018
http://www.wbtv.com/2018/12/04/notes-suggest-second-person-ran-absentee-ballot-operation-bladen-county/
The handwriting in the notes obtained by the station appears to resemble several publicly filed court documents and other official paperwork bearing Smith’s handwriting.
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