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Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:26 PM

***Miami Herald exposes Trump sycophant Allan Dershowitz as involved in Epstein pedo ring***

Now we know why he is Trump’s #1 defender! Concerned that perhaps both he and Trump will be implicated in Epstein’s pedophillia???!!

the affidavit, Roberts claimed that Epstein and Maxwell directed her to have sex with Andrew and Dershowitz and others. She had sex with Andrew three times, she alleged — once in London, when she was 17, again in New York, when she was 17, and a third time, as part of an orgy on Epstein’s island, when she was 18. By law, at 17, she would have been above the age of consent in New York and England, but not in Florida, where the age of consent is 18.

As part of the affidavit, Roberts furnished a photograph of her with the prince and Maxwell, which she said was taken in London.

Dershowitz, who was part of Epstein’s criminal defense team, was often a guest at Epstein’s homes, she said.

“I had sexual intercourse with Dershowitz at least six times,’’ Roberts wrote in the 2015 court affidavit. “The first time was when I was about 16, early on in my servitude to Epstein and it continued until I was 19.’’ She detailed some of those trysts, which she said happened at Epstein’s homes in Palm Beach, New Mexico and on Epstein’s island.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article219494920.html#storylink=cpy

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:30 PM

1. And we know who else like them young as well .....

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:30 PM

2. It would explain so much.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:11 PM

35. Like Ivanka sitting on "Daddy's" knee.

Daddy? Or "Papi"? The thought of it makes me wanna varf.

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Response to TwistOneUp (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:59 PM

54. +1, You mean the lap dance photo? No one would be shocked

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:33 PM

3. Dershowitz is done. Wasn't trump also included in the underage orgies also?

Poor trump , every dirty, evil thing he has ever done is coming out.

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Response to brush (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:46 PM

11. The rumors are that Trump modeling agency was a conduit for some of the young girls.


I am real curious how many stories about the Trump/Epstein happenings were bought off by David Pecker, the National Enquirer guy. Surely the 2-3 cases we have already heard about are not the only ones.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:11 PM

19. maybe dersh is being blackmailed by putin too

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Response to certainot (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:29 PM

41. A cheerful thought....

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:20 PM

75. conditions described match those of trump modeling agency

The Miami Herald's report includes descriptions of the conditions given by some of the girls. A Mother Jones report from August, 2016 includes very similar descriptions:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 08:54 AM

124. Well, soon

Those hidden stories from the Enquirer will be coming out. didn't Pecker agree to co- operate with the investigation and turn over files?

This mess gets worse every day!

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Response to brush (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:38 PM

46. That's karma.

hopefully he (tRump) will take down all those who were involved in this Russian stealing. McConnell needs to go down hard.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #46)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:48 PM

108. He's another one whose demise will be met by song

And celebration!

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:34 PM

4. Ooops. Did Dershowitz think he would

never be exposed?

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Response to Cha (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:35 PM

5. +1 Cha!

Also, Dershowitz should not appear on TV again until this matter is resolved legally! Worth noting as well that Dotard, himself, used Dershowitz just on Thursday on Twitter to build a case for firing Special Counsel Mueller!

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:38 PM

7. Of course he did..

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:00 PM

27. And Get This

Epstein's lawyer is Ken Starr

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Response to Me. (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:06 PM

29. expose the whole swarm of magats

This story jumps up then gets pushed off the front page but never seems to quite die. Maybe there are lots of slimey tentacles to it, even international ones.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:14 PM

38. Keep Giving Those Rs & Kicks

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Response to Me. (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:52 PM

71. it should be required reading

My son, a coach, interrupted himself watching football to read the Miami report. I could tell by the jaw muscles how mad it made him.

This story should be the lead until it is fully investigated and exposed.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:29 PM

40. I suspect...

that there is a human trafficking element to the whole drumpf organization too. And there are plenty in Congress who are probably involved since they stopped raping the pages. I think a big ugly thing is about to be exposed which will cause us all to have a quiet moment with ourselves about some fundamental things.

And for example, look at Lindsey Graham of late...

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:39 PM

93. Yup, they all need to be perp-walked to jail.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:18 AM

126. Of course

Epstein has an estate in the Bahamas. What if the Bahamas decided to start making criminal charges against Epstein, Trump, Dershewitz and others.

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Response to Me. (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:00 PM

56. +1

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Response to Me. (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:47 PM

66. Incestuous big

nest of vermin.

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Response to Me. (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:43 AM

131. Death Starr is a sex-abuse enabler (did it at his university, now for Epstein)

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #131)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:33 AM

136. Mr. Big Morality Has Feet Of Clay

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #131)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:09 PM

138. Yeah. I noticed Ken Starr's photo was in that rogue's gallery.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:56 AM

116. Bingo!!!! Keep his mug off the screen until this "matter is resolved legally!"

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 04:31 PM

145. Someone above suggested that Putin may be blackmailing Dershowitz.

That would explain a lot.

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Response to Cha (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:30 PM

42. Aren't these the same charges that were made years ago?


He claimed he had credit card receipts that proved he was elsewhere?

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Response to grantcart (Reply #42)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:37 PM

45. Yes, it's not a "scoop."

Those are old accusations and he claims he has evidence proving it couldn't have happened.

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Response to Cha (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:41 PM

65. A lot of you people clearly have no clue as to what are you talking about.

This story is years old, nothing came out of it.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #65)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:59 PM

96. Yes, bits and pieces of this have come out before.

But NO ONE has quite put all of the pieces together and fleshed out the puzzle this well up til now.

Just because nothing came out of this before, does NOT mean that in this climate, so it will be pushed back under the rug again. There is more at stake now and more people have been implicated.

And remember this, there is NO statute of limitations on murder.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #96)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:26 PM

104. Thanks Haggis.. well said.


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Response to Cha (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:18 PM

102. Pretty sure he was the one that 'exposed' himself, Cha.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:38 PM

6. Miami Herald had some good scoops over the pat week

There was one about Alex Acosta.
The complete unraveling is taking place before our eyes.

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:44 PM

23. A huge hat tip to the Miami Herald for their coverage and exposure.

Another McClatchy publisher which has been behind a lot of open reporting around the country.

I believe and hope that other reporters and publishers will understand that they can actually do some critical reporting and not fear the wrath of the executive branch.

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Response to erronis (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:08 PM

31. Agree n/t

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Response to erronis (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:09 PM

34. AMEN!!!

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:01 PM

28. Acosta and Epstein are really the same story

Acosta was the flim-flam prosecutor who let Epstein wiggle out of the serious charges. I'm sure there had to be money under the table for that too. Epstein secretly got a light conviction on lesser charges, and never had a public trial. No other participants were ever investigated either. (That would include Derschowitz, Cheato, and probably several others.) Also Epstein received a very light sentence in the county jail rather than a federal or state penitentiary. If any of us had done these horrible deeds, we'd be locked up for life.

I agree that the Miami Herald did a fantastic job reporting these stories. Isn't it great when the media does their job?


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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:07 PM

30. *hand up* (don't shoot)

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:52 PM

69. There is no scoop. It's an old story.

He claims he has evidence it couldn't have happened.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:16 PM

90. the story is ongoing

Granted, the OP title is somewhat misleading about Dershowitz's current involvement, but the Miami Herald's title, "Perversion of Justice", now with 5 pieces, arguably could be called an understatement.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #90)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:55 PM

95. Watch for the Miami Herald to get a Pulitzer out of this.

And they will deserve it. They have done the hard work of getting through all of the hoops of fire on this one.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:03 PM

98. It doesn't matter WHAT he claims.

Documents can be manufactured, records can be falsified, paperwork can be forged.

Even if it's an old story, so what ?

What matters is what the evidence says and where it leads.

In case you have forgotten -- the Wisenthal Center is still hunting Nazis, too, and bringing them to trial.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #98)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:55 PM

111. 👏🏾

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:29 AM

113. Yes!

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

(and on Tuesday Epstein is going back to court in Palm Beach County)

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:38 PM

8. Dershowitz wrote to Raw Story...

Denying any shenanigans.

And that Roberts woman does sound somewhat shady, and dishonest.

Dershowitz is a complete asshole for supporting Trump, but unless there is some actual evidence, it's just Al Franken 2.0.

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Response to Archae (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:41 PM

9. No. There is no comparison to Al Franken.

The FBI had prepared a 53-page federal indictment charging Epstein with sex crimes that could have put him in federal prison for life.

There is no reason to think that these women are lying about anything including Dershowitz.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:13 PM

61. Yes there is reason to think this woman (it is not "these") is lying.

Dershowitz sued in 2015 and won the suit. Her attorney's admitted they made a mistake. Did you read the article?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #61)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:49 PM

83. Dershowitz did not win the suit

This is the admission of "mistake":

As expressly understood by the parties upon the execution of the Confidential Settlement Agreement and Mutual Release, Ms. Giuffre reaffirms her allegations, and the withdrawal of the referenced filings is not intended to be, and should not be construed as being, an acknowledgement by Edwards and Cassell that the allegations made by Ms. Giuffre were mistaken. Edwards and Cassell do acknowledge that the public filing in the Crime Victims’ Rights Act case of their client’s allegations against Defendant Dershowitz became a major distraction from the merits of the well-founded Crime Victims’ Rights Act case by causing delay and, as a consequence, turned out to have been a tactical mistake. For that reason, Edwards and Cassell have chosen to withdraw the referenced filing as a condition of settlement.



Following the announcement of the settlement of defamation claims against Alan Dershowitz, he has been making public statements suggesting that he has prevailed in the lawsuit and that the terms of the settlement exonerate him of any wrongdoing. Those statements are at best misleading.

It is a mistake for anyone to conclude based upon Mr. Dershowitz's statements that the case against him was abandoned due to lack of factual support. It is a mistake for anyone to conclude based upon Mr. Dershowitz's statements that Bradley Edwards and Paul Cassell had determined that the allegations against Alan Dershowitz made by Virginia Roberts Giuffre were false or unfounded. Neither the terms of the settlement nor the agreed upon joint public statement issued as part of the settlement support any such conclusions, and it is false to state or suggest otherwise.


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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #83)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:36 PM

106. LOL

You are using the face saving statements from the losers. How come law enforcement has ignored this supposed child rape? Are all of them in the conspiracy?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #106)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:51 PM

109. Dershowitz specifically stated they didn't lose

Both sides issued a joint statement denying culpability from the other in regards to defammation, not whether or not the acts actually occurred.

Proclaiming innocence on the basis someone wasn't prosecuted might be a laughable moment if that warped mentality weren't so dangerous.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #109)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:54 PM

110. I will ask again.

How come law enforcement has ignored this supposed child rape.? Are they all part of the conspiracy?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #110)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:26 AM

112. You can ask stupid loaded questions all you want

Along with even stupider loaded ones which allege a conspiracy with law enforcement. I'm just going to point out how stupid they are.

Law enforcement didn't ignore it. They prosecuted Epstein and he got off with basically nothing after agreeing to pay off his victims. The deal included co-cospirators and many of the details are sealed, including those which involve Dershowitz. Let's not forget also the scumbag Dershowitz negotiated the deal to begin with.

Dershowitz admits he received a "massage" at Epstein's place. You know the same Epstein that trafficked underage girls to his friends for sexual massages. The criminal allegations against Epstein for child rape started in 2005 with a mother who went to the police after her 14 yr old daughter had been paid to massage Epstein while he masturbated. As his lawyer, Dershowitz would have known every single detail, yet 10 years later he accepts an allegedly "legal" massage in Epstein's home. How stupid does one have to be to believe Dershowitz over a known rape victim?

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #112)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 03:48 PM

144. No, the details are NOT sealed from law enforcement.

They know all the details. I guess you are calling law enforcement stupid for believing Dershowitz over the Epstein victim. I hope you stay far away from any court. We don't need people like you on juries who don't believe in the Constitution and who don't need any evidence to find people guilty.

From the same Miami Herald:

Clinton, the 42nd president of the United States, was friends with Epstein and often flew on his plane and visited him on his island. Epstein donated to the Clinton Foundation and various Democratic causes and candidates.

Are you now going to declare Clinton guilty of some crime?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article221897990.html

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Response to former9thward (Reply #144)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 06:48 PM

146. Loaded questions and now strawman bullshit

I think we're done here.

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Response to Archae (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:52 PM

13. Al Franken 2.0?? WTF makes you compare it to that? nt

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Response to Archae (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:20 PM

20. Wrong.

 

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

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Response to Archae (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:48 PM

26. Of course he's going to deny it.




Holy chit.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:40 PM

64. Dershowitz has proved the story is false

The attorneys for the claimant were sanctioned by the court. They apologized to Dershowitz. They withdrew the claim.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #64)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:38 PM

77. That's his version of the story

The reality doesn't match. What Dershowitz is talking about is a civil suit in which one record was striken from the record which Dershowitz calls a "sanction". The reality is the "sanction" Dershowitz was calling for never happened. The judge specifically stated removing the record was the only negative action that happened. There was also a defamation case against Dershowitz and a countersuit which was settled confidentially with both sides withdrawing any claims of wrongdoing by the other side. This isn't what vindication looks like.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #77)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:43 PM

79. What exactly would it look like, then?

He says he can't sue the woman for libel or slander because she didn't make the accusations to the press.
So what do you think he can do for vindication?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #79)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:05 PM

89. Not claim he was vindicated to start with

Dershowitz's version of events is misleading. You have people right in this thread claiming he was "vindicated" and he "won" a lawsuit over this. They come to these conclusions reading Dershowitz's version of reality which is specifically intended to lead someone to believe things that just aren't true.

Virginia Roberts is a very credible witness. She actually did prevail in her legal battle which was never with Dershowitz. She still maintains Dershowitz had sex with her while she was underage. I believe her over a lawyer who routinely finds himself representing scumbags.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #77)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:46 AM

119. Claimants lawyers concede charges against Dershowitz false

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Response to Cicada (Reply #119)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:14 AM

125. Your subject line isn't what your link says

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #125)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:41 AM

130. See paragraph "meanwhile Edwards and cassell noted..."

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Response to Cicada (Reply #130)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:53 AM

132. It still doesn't say what your subject line says

So the question still remains how you came up with it.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #132)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 10:57 AM

134. Huh? Her lawyers said Dershowitz produced records disproving her

A lady sued claiming Dershowitz had sex with her at a time and place. Dershowitz produced travel records proving he was not there at that time. Her attorneys, cassell and the other guy, concede Dershowitz provided those records. They withdrew the suit.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #134)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 11:09 AM

135. Compare your claim to what they actually said

Your claim:
Claimants lawyers concede charges against Dershowitz false


What they actually said:

As expressly understood by the parties upon the execution of the Confidential Settlement Agreement and Mutual Release, Ms. Giuffre reaffirms her allegations, and the withdrawal of the referenced filings is not intended to be, and should not be construed as being, an acknowledgement by Edwards and Cassell that the allegations made by Ms. Giuffre were mistaken. Edwards and Cassell do acknowledge that the public filing in the Crime Victims’ Rights Act case of their client’s allegations against Defendant Dershowitz became a major distraction from the merits of the well-founded Crime Victims’ Rights Act case by causing delay and, as a consequence, turned out to have been a tactical mistake. For that reason, Edwards and Cassell have chosen to withdraw the referenced filing as a condition of settlement.



Following the announcement of the settlement of defamation claims against Alan Dershowitz, he has been making public statements suggesting that he has prevailed in the lawsuit and that the terms of the settlement exonerate him of any wrongdoing. Those statements are at best misleading.

It is a mistake for anyone to conclude based upon Mr. Dershowitz's statements that the case against him was abandoned due to lack of factual support. It is a mistake for anyone to conclude based upon Mr. Dershowitz's statements that Bradley Edwards and Paul Cassell had determined that the allegations against Alan Dershowitz made by Virginia Roberts Giuffre were false or unfounded. Neither the terms of the settlement nor the agreed upon joint public statement issued as part of the settlement support any such conclusions, and it is false to state or suggest otherwise.




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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #135)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:14 PM

140. From the news article

“Edwards and Cassell noted in their statement Friday that Dershowitz had produced travel records to establish he could not have been present during the supposed misconduct.”

If we make ludicrous idiotic claims about people, such as a distinguished retired law professor in his seventies,having coerced sex with underage girls, then it will be difficult to complain about Republicans saying Hillary is a serial killer etc. Making such claims reduces credibility. It’s an absurd allegation in my opinion.

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Response to Archae (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:52 PM

70. Evidence can be found in Dershowitz's own denials

Dershowitz admits to receiving a "massage" at Epstein's residence in NYC.

Think about that for a moment. Who is going to receive a legitimate "massage" at Epstein's place? Right away this starts to push the limits of credibility. And why does he admit as much? Because his own calendar shows him scheduled for a massage at "AD" which is undoubtedly a reference to just that. So Dershowitz freely admits he got a "massage" because he knows there's a paper trail for it going right up his ass. Meanwhile flight logs show Epstein and a passenger named "Virginia" arriving and departing NY before and after Dershowitz is known to have been there.

https://abovethelaw.com/2015/10/is-this-what-exoneration-looks-like-to-alan-dershowitz/

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #70)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:44 PM

80. You can get a legit massage anywhere.

Even in a hotel room.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #80)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:47 PM

82. Now you are just making his point for him.

If he could get one at his hotel or anywhere, why would he schedule one at Epstein's?

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #82)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:50 PM

85. How would I know?

I just don't think it proves anything you claim it proves.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #85)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:07 PM

100. You seem to have a particular personal issue underlying your push back.

Care to explain ?

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #100)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:20 PM

103. I don't have any particular personal issues.

But thank you for asking.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #103)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:47 PM

107. Ever read "LieSpotting" by Pamela Meyer ?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #80)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:55 PM

87. Dershowitz is claiming he got a legit massage at Epstein's mansion

Not anywhere, not in a hotel room, at Epstein's mansion. He's claiming this after he was accused of having sex with an underage girl there. Possible? Yes. Believable? No.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:42 PM

10. This one is gonna be a big bombshell.

It’s gonna take down quite a few. Rightly so.

Reminds me of the Franklin scandal from the late 1980’s.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:38 PM

47. I don't think so.

There is no scoop, it's an old accusation that is being recycled for whatever reason.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:57 PM

52. It was recycled because Acosta is Trump's Labor Secretary and was being considered to head

the DOJ.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:47 PM

12. K&R

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:55 PM

14. This is a must read series from the Herald. It's sickening how Epstein got off.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:56 PM

15. Reading the article, there was steam coming out of my ears...

And some of those fuckers, like Acosta, are still around.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 05:57 PM

16. Ohhhh Yuck....Makes me want to puke...

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:04 PM

17. Now even fewer people will want to have him to dinner.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:10 PM

18. OMG! There really is a super secret underground pedophile ring!

Better get the military tribunals ready!

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Response to Initech (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:45 PM

24. As always, what they had projected is really their's to own. (R) - party of preverts.

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Response to erronis (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:12 PM

37. it's projection all the way down with Greedy Old Perverts

Have they ever failed to be guilty of the things they accuse others of doing?

GOP is the enemy of humanity.

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Response to Initech (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:05 PM

57. .

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #57)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:07 PM

59. They have Q, maybe ours could be Z?

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:21 PM

21. Misogyny Has Many Ugly Manifestations

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:41 PM

22. His defensive posture

when the subject is raised is telling.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 06:46 PM

25. This news has been known for many years and has been discussed many times on DU

Nothing ever came of it and Dershowitz has denied it for years. I personally think he's guilt and Drumpf knows all. That's why he licks his behind like a lap dog.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:09 PM

32. What do you make of story that BClinton was/is a friend of Epstein?

Over the years the stories get publicity and then---nothing.

And people claim the stories are silenced because too many prominent people of all professions, both political parties, are found emeshed in the stories, perhaps only on the sidelines.

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Response to bobbieinok (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:12 PM

36. He addresses all of that in a response to this story from Raw Story

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Response to still_one (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:42 PM

48. So Alan Dershowitz proved that Robert is a liar ?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #48)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:54 PM

50. I don't know Autumn, I just copied his response from Raw Story. I personally detest Dershowitz, and

don't trust him


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Response to still_one (Reply #50)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:12 PM

60. I don't remember much other than it faded away real fast. Dershowitz is a worm

and something like this hanging over his head would explain a lot of his recent bullshit.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:56 PM

72. In his response he seems to do a lot of double talk, and things are

sealed which makes me even more suspicious about his assertions

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Response to still_one (Reply #72)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:17 PM

74. His Was A Professional Masseuse

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Response to Me. (Reply #74)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:30 PM

76. Sure, but it makes no sense to me why the information that confirms what he said is sealed

It will be interesting if he responds to The Miami Hearld

He also maintains that he is not and advocate for trump, and while it is an entirely different issue, I have never seen someone go out of his way to defend trump for not being his advocate, and I realize that has nothing to do whether he is implicated with Epstein or not

I don’t find him particularly trustworthy

Also, was Roberts charged with making false statements on court documents?

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Response to still_one (Reply #76)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:41 PM

78. He did respond but it appears to be the same response already published elsewhere.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #78)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:45 PM

81. Thanks. However why isn't Roberts being charged with lying on court documents?

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Response to still_one (Reply #81)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:49 PM

84. She is immune from libel or slander for statements made in court documents.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #84)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:58 PM

88. I don't understand Why the documents are sealed, or if he has a tape saying Roberts was told to go

after him why the media doesn’t play it or provide a transcript of it

Regardless, I appreciate you keeping me honest, and correcting my misstatements

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Response to still_one (Reply #76)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:25 PM

91. He's A Lawyer, He Could Sue For Defamation

so far hasn't. As for his not being an advocate...what a lot of hooey. I've often wondered why he would place his standing in such jeopardy by being just what he says he isn't.

Not sure which docs you are referring to, give a little more detail.

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Response to Me. (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:06 PM

99. He can't sue for defamation if claims are made in court documents.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #99)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:12 PM

101. Right... Because They Are Reporting Such

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Response to still_one (Reply #76)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:32 PM

92. I WEnt Back & Re-Read

and I don't see any implication she lied. She was interviewed by the FBI and included in the complaint but see no indication of lies or perjury aside from the usual he said/she said, though the bookkeeper. for one, backs her up.

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Response to Me. (Reply #92)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:04 AM

118. Someone I think stated she got immunity so there would be no slander, or

perjury charges, but it says as you said one person's word against the other, though supposedly Dershowiz says the records are sealed which could offer conclusive proof, but I don't understand why the records are sealed?






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Response to bobbieinok (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:17 PM

137. The alleged "Clinton/Epstein" link is a smear

Last edited Mon Dec 3, 2018, 01:34 PM - Edit history (1)

I may make a short video exposing this smear, which has been repeated an infinite number of times. Despite what you've read in many places, Bill Clinton was NOT an Epstein friend and did not take trips on the so-called "Lolita Express" to Epstein's private island.

The only person who claims that Clinton and Epstein socialized over a meal is Virginia Roberts. But Roberts, in her original affidavit, goes out of her way to state that Clinton was not guilty of sexual impropriety. She DOES accuse Alan Dershowitz of rape.

You can't use Roberts against Clinton without also using her against Dershowitz. I am continually infuriated by the right's attempt to weaponize Roberts against Clinton while ignoring her claims against Dershowitz.

I am also infuriated by the fact that the right never mentions that Epstein's former girlfriend recruited Roberts AT MAR-A-LAGO, where she worked FOR TRUMP. Mar-A-Lago dressed her in a skimpy, sexualized outfit -- even though she was underaged and actually looked even younger than her years.

Roberts' father (who seems to have been a real piece of work) worked for Trump. I cannot easily believe that Epstein recruited girls (note the plural) at Mar-A-Lago without the knowledge of his friend, Donald Trump.

Yes, it is true that Epstein flew Bill Clinton to various places around the world on a private jet. At the time, Epstein's sexual secrets were not known. Epstein had, and still has, a genuine interest in scientific matters, and he was always trying to ingratiate himself with influential people. So he offered to fly Clinton to various scientific conferences around the world.

If you read various news stories about the alleged Clinton/Epstein connection, you'll see many references to "flight logs" which verify that he was on Epstein's plane. Most of the writers of those stories have not read the actual logs. I have.

(They're available online. I won't do your Googling for you, but if you can't find them, write to me privately.)

If you track the dates of each flight, you'll see that in each and every instance, the flight took Clinton to some overseas location where a conference of some sort (usually something having to do with science) was being held. There are news articles which describe what Clinton said and did at these locations.

On NO occasion did these flights take Clinton to Epstein's island.

Furthermore, those flights do NOT list any of Epstein's "girlfriends" (including Virginia Roberts) as accompanying Clinton on these flights. To be honest, there really is no evidence to support Roberts' contention that she met Clinton; all of the evidence goes in the other direction. (I admit that this fact is problematic for Democrats, because most of us don't want to discredit the things she has said about Dershowitz or Epstein.)

Not only that. There's one thing about those flight logs that nobody seems to have noticed. The flights which carried Bill Clinton have a different N number! Epstein owned more than one aircraft. Clinton never took a ride on the plane which the press has called "The Lolita Express."

And even if he had, what of it? The plane did not exactly have "Lolita Express" written on its side. As I said, Epstein's big secret was still a secret at that time, and there were no girls on those particular flights.

In short and in sum, the Clinton/Epstein connection is a massive smear.

I'd like to post a link to the video I intend to make, if such a thing is permissible on DU. But perhaps I can't do that; someone would no doubt accuse me of using DU for self-promotion. Well, I'd be overjoyed if someone here double-checked my work and created a presentation of his or her own. if YOU do the job, so much the better. We have to get the word out.

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Response to JCannon (Reply #137)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:18 PM

141. Thanks for this info. Claim about B is in every Epstein story I've seen

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Response to bobbieinok (Reply #141)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:57 PM

142. Thanks, and a correction

Having just now looked again at the flight logs, I see that Clinton did, in fact, travel in both jets. Epstein owns a Boeing 727 identified as N909JE and a Gulfstream II identified as N908JE. The latter is the aircraft generally identified as the so-called Lolita Express.

Clinton rode in it on July 13, 2002; the plane went from Rabat-Sale Airport in Morocco to JFK airport, with the usual refueling stop in the Azores. A check of Clinton's whereabouts at that time reveals that he had gone to the 14th International AIDS Conference in Africa, where he and Nelson Mandela gave speeches.

I'll go through the logs to see if he rode in that aircraft on other occasions. If memory serves, his other trips (there weren't that many) were in the Boeing.

As I said, Epstein's plane was not known as "The Lolita Express" AT THE TIME. That was a name invented by the right-wing media when they decided to use Epstein as a weapon against Clinton. We now know the names of Epstein's girls; they are not listed as being on any of the Clinton flights. And Clinton never took any of those flights to Epstein's island.

By the way, Epstein also transported other celebrities in his Gulfstream. One of them was Stephen Hawking. Naturally, this has led some fools on the right to presume that Hawking must be party to some monstrous pedophile/Satanic conspiracy!

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:15 PM

39. Oops!

 

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:33 PM

44. Wanna bet Epstein is a big GOP donor?

He fits their profile.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:52 PM

49. You'd lose the bet.

He was supposedly a major democratic donor.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #49)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:55 PM

51. whew, you just saved someone a lot of bread. Yup, a Democratic donor

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:00 PM

55. Epstein was a big Dem donor but he invited both Dem's and R's to his parties and

would tape them having sex with underage girls to get leverage on them or so he says. It's probably true because he got let off with a slap on his hand.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:58 PM

53. Black male is what the Russians do

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #53)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:03 PM

97. Ummmmmm

blackmail

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Response to Name removed (Reply #58)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:28 PM

62. +1

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:31 PM

63. Kick this important story.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:51 PM

68. Kick

KICK

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:15 PM

73. Coming from MSM, this will pack a lot more clout than from RAchel, etc. "liberal media". Hope others

pick it up. It's been out there for a long time.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:54 PM

86. Need others to step forward, or this goes away

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:52 PM

94. The civil case continues Tuesday, so we may hear more about this.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:31 PM

105. Alan Dershowitz identifies himself as "a Hillary Clinton liberal Democrat"

 

For example, in this NY Times interview:

You reject the label “Trump supporter,” don’t you?

Absolutely. I’m a Hillary Clinton liberal Democrat who’s trying hard to restore Congress to the Democrats, who will help finance Democratic candidates all over the country. I’m a liberal Democrat. I haven’t changed one iota in 50 years. I am not a Trump supporter. I’m a supporter of civil liberties.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/us/politics/alan-dershowitz-trump.html


Also, he says these allegations are false and disproved:

Not only did I deny the claims, I conclusively disproved them. I produced my travel, phone, credit card, and TV appearance records conclusively proving I could not have been and was not in any of the places Roberts claims I was during the time that she knew Epstein. The former director of the FBI, assisted by a former assistant U.S. attorney and a chief federal marshal, reviewed these records and the other evidence and concluded that “the totality of the evidence found during the investigation refutes the allegations.” The judge struck Roberts' affidavit and sanctioned her lawyers for filing it, and her lawyers then withdrew their accusation admitting that it was a mistake. After reviewing the evidence, ABC News canceled their plan to show an interview with Roberts because she was not credible.

https://www.salon.com/2018/12/02/alan-dershowitz-responds-sex-allegations-are-outright-false-and-thoroughly-disproved/

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Response to oberliner (Reply #105)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:48 AM

120. Dershowitz is a Hillary Clinton Liberal Democrat Like...

 

...Benedict Arnold was a decorated Colonial General.

He's a fucking asshole.

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Response to louis c (Reply #120)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:57 AM

121. He has donated money to many prominent liberal Democrats

 

https://www.opensecrets.org/search?order=desc&q=alan+dershowitz&sort=D&type=donors

In addition to Hillary Clinton, he has donated to:

Joe Kennedy III
Elizabeth Warren
Barbara Boxer
Al Franken
Mark Udall
Barack Obama
John Kerry
Russ Feingold

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Response to oberliner (Reply #121)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 08:42 AM

122. Ummm, nope. I guess you missed these:




https://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Impeaching-Trump/dp/151074228X







And this one:





Plenty more where this came from. Don't know what you point is anyway.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #121)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 03:14 PM

143. I guess you didn't get the point of my post...

 

...Deuochawitch USED TO BE a Hillary Clinton liberal before he became a Trump ball licker, just like Benedict Arnold used to be a decorated Colonial General until he was a fucking traitor

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 12:34 AM

114. Kick and rec for the RW think tank trolls.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:03 AM

117. Dershowitz makes me want to throw up.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 08:51 AM

123. If there is no pizza or Hillary involved,

then these legitimate mainstream news stories are just part of the liberal plot to distract us from pizzagate.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:30 AM

127. Katie Johnson

This would be the perfect time for Katie Johnson to come forward again.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 09:46 AM

129. I have avoided the Trump Organization human trafficking topics, along with

the bickering about whether Louise Mensch/Claude Taylor were nutjobs.
I would like to go on record at this point and state, I felt like a conspiracy theorist last year even cautiously following these stories. At this point I do believe the Team Patriot faction of twitter, has to have some type of real info.
Each and everyday I believe these stories more and more.
This Epstein/Acosta story, will bring many more of these vile stories to light.

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Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 02:03 PM

139. Back to the top.

Kick.

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