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Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:11 AM

New Cohen Bombshells Might End the Trump Presidency



https://www.politicususa.com/2018/12/01/new-cohen-bombshells-might-end-the-trump-presidency.html

Posted on Sat, Dec 1st, 2018 by Leo Vidal
New Cohen Bombshells Might End the Trump Presidency


Michael Cohen tossed another bomb at Donald Trump late Friday night by publicly disclosing that he told his former boss, who was then a presidential candidate, about a phone call he made to Moscow in 2016. Cohen said he called the Kremlin to request help from the Russian government in building a Trump Tower in Russia’s capital city.

Not only that, but Cohen also maintains that he got guidance from Trump’s lawyers and his White House staff in 2017 while he drafted his false statement to Congress seeking to cover up the truth about the Moscow project and the fact that Donald Trump was heavily involved in the project.


Both of these new, explosive accusations were made by Cohen’s attorneys late Friday night as part of the case being prosecuted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller. They were part of a “sentencing memo” in which Cohen asked for a no-jail sentence in exchange for his cooperation with Mueller’s investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Cohen’s new filings with the court completely contradict the statements of President Trump who said he had little knowledge and no involvement in the Moscow project.

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The new accusations concerning President Trump were made by Cohen’s lawyers in a sentencing memorandum that was delivered to a federal judge in Manhattan on Friday night.

Donald Trump has been downplaying his knowledge of the Moscow Trump Tower project, but Michael Cohen has now filed a court document saying he knew everything and was intimately involved in the project every step of the way. And Cohen said that his lies to Congress were in effect drafted with the knowledge and assistance of Donald Trump and his lawyers.

Trump keeps trying to run away from this scandal, but the faster he tries to run, the more it catches up with him.

It is only a matter of time now until the scandal completely envelops him. The presidency of Donald Trump will soon be over.

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Reply New Cohen Bombshells Might End the Trump Presidency (Original post)
babylonsister Dec 1 OP
manor321 Dec 1 #1
ewagner Dec 1 #3
Mr.Bill Dec 1 #32
yonder Dec 2 #50
Mr.Bill Dec 2 #57
berni_mccoy Dec 1 #2
oswaldactedalone Dec 1 #4
machoneman Dec 1 #5
TruckFump Dec 1 #15
FakeNoose Dec 1 #17
klook Dec 1 #36
Grasswire2 Dec 2 #48
True Blue American Dec 1 #37
Pepsidog Dec 1 #38
politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2 #55
Pepsidog Dec 2 #56
Haggis for Breakfast Dec 1 #45
ginnyinWI Dec 1 #6
Progressive Jones Dec 1 #24
dalton99a Dec 1 #7
watoos Dec 1 #8
Just a Weirdo Dec 1 #10
Pepsidog Dec 1 #39
NYC Liberal Dec 2 #53
Pepsidog Dec 2 #54
CincyDem Dec 1 #9
NRaleighLiberal Dec 1 #11
milestogo Dec 1 #12
Obvious85 Dec 1 #13
Marcuse Dec 1 #31
Honeycombe8 Dec 1 #14
Major Nikon Dec 1 #16
SergeStorms Dec 1 #19
Major Nikon Dec 1 #25
Izzy Blue Dec 1 #26
SergeStorms Dec 1 #44
Rizen Dec 1 #18
malaise Dec 1 #20
riverwalker Dec 1 #21
Solly Mack Dec 1 #22
BlueMTexpat Dec 1 #23
Izzy Blue Dec 1 #27
Mrs. Overall Dec 1 #28
Quixote1818 Dec 1 #29
Martin Eden Dec 1 #30
wishstar Dec 1 #33
JCMach1 Dec 1 #35
Grasswire2 Dec 2 #49
triron Dec 1 #34
kimbutgar Dec 1 #40
KY_EnviroGuy Dec 1 #43
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 1 #41
Izzy Blue Dec 1 #46
Stuart G Dec 1 #42
dchill Dec 2 #47
NoMoreRepugs Dec 2 #51
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:26 AM

1. This is big. Is cable news reporting this yet?

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Response to manor321 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:34 AM

3. If true, BIG is an understatement! n/t

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Response to manor321 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:12 AM

32. Not really.

Apparently, we are now required to worship George H. W. Bush for a week or so.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:53 AM

50. +1. Good post. I think I'm getting your drift.

By all means, acknowledge notable leaders, as appropriate, for their works and humanness, just as we would mark less visible folks for their own humanity. But that length of mourning and acknowledgement seems pre-determined by what media interests (our cultural callers) can accommodate, and fashioned by exactly whom?

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Response to yonder (Reply #50)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 02:03 PM

57. It's fashioned by

whoever is buying the commercial time.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:33 AM

2. K&R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:38 AM

4. Nothing to see here

Last edited Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:22 AM - Edit history (1)

Nothing sticks to the teflon shitstain.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:38 AM

5. IMO, the big story here is Trump's lawyers.

I wonder if Don McGahn (sp?) and others who already left the WH legal team spilled the beans to Mueller in exchange for immunity? I mean, they were fools to help draft Cohen's testimony to Congress in the first place. But, given that they did, were they expected that attorney/client privilege would save their asses?

No lawyer here but intentionally conspiring to help a client lie must be grounds for some prosecution REGARDLESS of that privilege, right?

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Response to machoneman (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:18 AM

15. An atty cannot aid a client to do that

At a big minimum it is grounds for discipline if it is knowingly done.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:22 AM

17. We learned that McGahn was cooperating with Mueller a couple weeks ago

McGahn wasn't on the Trump campaign so he can only testify to the coverup, not what happened before the election. You may be right about the immunity part, or maybe McGahn isn't getting charged. We haven't heard yet.


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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:25 PM

36. Threat of incarceration

is most likely McGahn’s motivation. No way is he any kind of patriot.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:40 AM

48. I don't trust McGahn

Kavanaugh's success is largely due to McGahn's plans and supervision.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 03:29 PM

37. McGhan spent

30 hours with the Mueller team while he was Trumps Attorney. Wonder how many times he lied?

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Response to machoneman (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 04:07 PM

38. I agree but privledge is Trump's to waive. Not sure McGahn could have testified about convos with

Trump without his consent or Court determination after a hearing.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:24 AM

55. I thought that I kept hearing that McGahn was the Government's Attorney, not Trumps personal Atty.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Reply #55)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:48 AM

56. Interesting point. McGhan is attorney to the office of the president so attorney

client privilege may not exist. Executive privilege may apply. Good point. White House counsel serves the President’s office in his official capacity. So like when Bush wanted to authorize torture he first went to White House counsel to find legal justification for torture. John Yoo an attorney in that office tortured the law to come up with legal justifications for the use of torture so that the President Bush could stand behind the legal opinion of b White House Counsel to cloak him in immunity. But I don’t know if that creates attorney-client privilege. Bush prevented most of his people from testifying invoking executive privilege to frustrate most efforts at congressional oversight. Quite frankly, from a legal perspective I think Trump’s lawyers screwed up allowing anybody in the White House to give Mueller testimony. It was a strategic mistake that will bite Trump in the ass.

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Response to machoneman (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:56 PM

45. Remember that it was McGahn who brought us Kavanaugh.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:38 AM

6. At the very least, I hope he "chooses" not to run for reelection.

Let him pile up as many excuses as he wants. Of course it won't be his fault, lol. Just get him outta there!

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:10 AM

24. He won't be capable of running for reelection. Mark my words. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:52 AM

7. Kick

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:54 AM

8. According to experts,

Donald Trump's criminal empire is going to be under investigation for the rest of his life. Trump certainly should die a pauper. He never expected to win the presidency, he just wanted the publicity, to get his Trump tower Moscow and to get a Trump News TV network.

Like my old gym teacher told me in high school, "you fuck with the bull you get the horns." Mueller is a bull.

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Response to watoos (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:01 AM

10. Pauper living on skid row

Not able to make any more than 50 cents a day.

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Response to watoos (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 04:11 PM

39. Smart gym teacher. Trump should declare victory, say he fixed everything and resign to lay under a

tanning bed.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #39)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:04 AM

53. He's in way too deep to resign now. If he resigns, he'll give up any claim to immunity and

also the pardon power. He won’t resign even if he wants to.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #53)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 10:19 AM

54. True

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:00 AM

9. Lordy Lordy, I hope there are tapes. n/t

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:02 AM

11. Lock them all the fuck up!!!!!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:03 AM

12. He deserves this theme song...

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:06 AM

13. He just lightly called Moscow

It was legal and totally cool

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Response to Obvious85 (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:06 AM

31. As opposed to "strongly".

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:07 AM

14. I heard this Friday earlier in the day, I thought. The Kremlin call, Trump's involvement, etc.nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:21 AM

16. Perjury, that's a damn hard rap to prove

-- Richard Milhous Nixon

How much does anyone want to bet that Mueller has already asked Trump about this and he perjured himself?

That alone will earn the orange man a felony rap he's not going to be able to twitter out of.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:39 AM

19. "To the best of my recollection"....

those words followed every one of Donald Trump's answers to Mueller's questions. He's so busy (from those 4 hour work days) doing the "business of the people" that some things just kinda' slip his mind. You can bet each of Trump's answers was carefully worded to leave the slimeball an "out" should he be questioned further.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:12 AM

25. I don't think it's going to help him much

Cohen didn't just lie to congress on his own. This was a carefully crafted lie by a web of conspirators at the highest level. Each time one of those conspirators turns on the orange man, it's going to be incrementally harder for him to claim ignorance. Not only that, the political fallout will destroy his presiduncy. It's going to get increasingly difficult for the GOP to continue to defend someone who lied not only to the public, but during a criminal investigation. One by one his defenders in congress are going to turn on him an all of this is going to play out in real time in the House.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:33 AM

26. Huh? lol

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Response to Izzy Blue (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:53 PM

44. Oh boy.

"I have the world’s greatest memory. It’s one thing everyone agrees on." Trump certainly is big on superlatives when it comes to talking about himself. The idiot doesn't stop to think that all of those superlatives are the easiest thing to verify, and he's batting .000 when it comes to his braggadocio.

I'd forgotten this, but Ben Carson was his closest competitor at that time. When they could keep him awake, that is. And this was in November 2015, before the Russians started pushing their boy to the top. That we know of, anyway.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:38 AM

18. That is a bombshell

Not that we didn't know anyway. Trump asked for Russian help on national tv ffs.

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Response to Rizen (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:42 AM

20. Precisely n/t

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:01 AM

21. "White House staff"

Can’t wait until they named.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:04 AM

22. K&R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:05 AM

23. From your post to reality,

I hope!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:43 AM

27. Mueller has previously recommended to the judge(s) the amount of time to be served.

One would think that Cohen's lawyer would not have stated in Cohen's sentencing memo
Trump's involvement with the Moscow Tower and Cohen being in touch with White House lawyers and staff while drafting his written testimony to congress had it not been verified by him with other evidence?


????

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:47 AM

28. K & R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:52 AM

29. Of course he knew.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:55 AM

30. "The presidency of Donald Trump will soon be over"

Only if HIGH CRIMES are proven and heinous enough to garner 67 votes for impeachment in the Republican majority Senate.

Otherwise, this POtuS will continue to wield the vast powers of the presidency.

The only check on that power is the Democratic House, which will be in place in any event.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:14 AM

33. I was extremely discouraged just 3 days ago that no one was stepping up to be like John Dean

but seems possible that Cohen with all his tapes and cellphone and email evidence is poised to be the equivalent to John Dean in breaking the conspiracy wide open. His lawyer Lanny Davis had tamped down expectations several months ago, so I was not expecting much more from Cohen, but that seems to have been a fakeout so Cohen could quietly cooperate with Mueller without tipping off other witnesses or targets prematurely.

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Response to wishstar (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:59 AM

35. Meanwhile, Trump submitted written answers

:ROFL:

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Response to wishstar (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:42 AM

49. That's what Cohen's friend Danny Deutsch is holding up..

...as the frame for Cohen. "He wants to be seen in history the way John Dean is seen." He actually said that on MSNBC the other day. "He wants to do the right thing."

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 11:54 AM

34. knr

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 04:53 PM

40. I won't believe it until he taken out of office and moved to a prison cell

I heard the predictions the repuke Party was finished in 2008. They got back in 2010 and were stronger then ever, controlling all three branches of government.

It ain’t over until I see handcuffs and the orange maggot wearing a orange prison jumpsuit.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:12 PM

43. I'm skeptical, too.

Far too many secretive supportive billionaires involved that don't want their investment lost.

Defense fund check will be written, many encrypted phone calls will be made, and media will be flooded with false rumors and innuendo to insure public confusion. Faux news and Limbaugh will throw whatabout-isms and Clintonisms out 24/7 on the air.

Our government systems are corrupted with our own dollars spent on goods and services mostly going into Repug pockets (including our primary main-stream media).

As you said, let's see the handcuffs applied.........

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 05:10 PM

41. Is there a paper trail?

Otherwise it's just, "He said, he said."

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:59 PM

46. That's what I'm also curious to know and asked this earlier today

27. Mueller has previously recommended to the judge(s) the amount of time to be served.


One would think that Cohen's lawyer would not have stated in Cohen's sentencing memo
Trump's involvement with the Moscow Tower and Cohen being in touch with White House lawyers and staff while drafting his written testimony to congress had it not been verified by him with other evidence?


????

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 05:20 PM

42. Big Tree posted this yesterday.Someone else thinks Trump will go down, Joyce Vance.

and she ought to know who may go down

Who is Joyce Vance?...A former United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama


Joyce Vance is an American lawyer, who served as the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama from 2009 to 2017. She was one of the first five U.S. Attorneys, and the first female U.S. Attorney, nominated by President Barack Obama.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211494385

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 12:00 AM

47. Book 'em, Danno.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 01:21 AM

51. It's just a teaser of what's to come. Mr Mueller and his

Dream Team have been at this a looooong time, it's all they do. After being shit on by King tRumpy who doesn't think all the intelligence services are providing all the assistance possible to dig as deep Mueller needs to? The pressure is being torqued up on Spanky McSithole and its only going to increase geometrically.

This is just an opening salvo in the battle that's about to be waged IMO.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 02:33 AM

52. Let us all join in and say.....SHIT HAPPENS DONNIE BOY!!!!!


Couldn't happen to a more suitable CRIMINAL!

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