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Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:52 PM

Unbelievable. Some naive, college, white women are still trumpers.

Below is an excerpt from a "Vanity Fair" article that gives us an insight into their sheltered thinking.

She grew up in a Republican household. “When I was little,” she said, “I would sit with my grandfather on Saturday mornings and we would watch Fox News and he would say, ‘Never trust anybody that trusts a Clinton,’ and I still remember that.” So when Donald Trump came along with his chants of “Lock her up,” this resonated with her, as did Trump’s financial success. “He made very smart business decisions,” Maggie said, “and you would hope that he would hone in on these skills to build up this country.”

She didn’t believe Trump was a racist, she said: “I think [his racist comments are] a mix of what he actually feels and political theater. Being a businessman, I think, he knows how to sell something, so he’s trying to create this brand, because he knows if he keeps saying these things, people will keep watching and wondering what is he going to do next and that will intrigue some to vote for him.” Someone like her.


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Reply Unbelievable. Some naive, college, white women are still trumpers. (Original post)
brush Nov 30 OP
Hoyt Nov 30 #1
brush Nov 30 #4
Hortensis Nov 30 #38
peekaloo Nov 30 #2
brush Nov 30 #3
peekaloo Nov 30 #6
brush Nov 30 #9
dawg day Nov 30 #5
smirkymonkey Nov 30 #25
violetpastille Nov 30 #33
smirkymonkey Nov 30 #35
violetpastille Nov 30 #41
violetpastille Nov 30 #29
mercuryblues Nov 30 #31
byronius Nov 30 #7
RobinA Nov 30 #28
uponit7771 Dec 1 #53
PJMcK Nov 30 #8
Charlotte Little Nov 30 #10
grantcart Nov 30 #14
The Genealogist Nov 30 #32
Charlotte Little Nov 30 #36
The Genealogist Nov 30 #37
Charlotte Little Nov 30 #39
RhodeIslandOne Dec 1 #54
Apollyonus Nov 30 #11
marlakay Nov 30 #19
Apollyonus Nov 30 #12
brush Nov 30 #22
elleng Nov 30 #13
brush Nov 30 #23
JI7 Dec 1 #49
jalan48 Nov 30 #15
Solly Mack Nov 30 #16
maryellen99 Nov 30 #17
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 30 #18
The Great Escape Nov 30 #20
pstokely Dec 1 #48
spanone Nov 30 #21
Garrett78 Nov 30 #24
Vinca Nov 30 #26
guillaumeb Nov 30 #27
Doodley Nov 30 #30
Hassler Nov 30 #34
brush Nov 30 #40
crazycatlady Nov 30 #42
brush Nov 30 #43
crazycatlady Nov 30 #45
Tipperary Nov 30 #44
struggle4progress Nov 30 #46
uponit7771 Dec 1 #52
struggle4progress Dec 1 #55
Awsi Dooger Nov 30 #47
JI7 Dec 1 #50
Blue_true Dec 1 #57
allgood33 Dec 1 #51
Blue_true Dec 1 #56

Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:56 PM

1. Condoning racism -- or using hatred to attract the white wing vote -- IS RACISM!



Young Republicans -- and Libertarians -- are disgusting in my experience.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:02 PM

4. Yep, condoning it is being it.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:32 PM

38. She's chosen her leader and adopts the views he

and supports the actions he wants her to. If she's the sort she really sounds like. This is hardly the lowest that type would go out of loyalty. Psychologists say people like this expect their leader to decide matters of conscience. Their role is loyal support of the leader's decision.

And the words are just clueless attempts to justify what they don't understand about themselves and never will. The why of their choices has nothing to do with their rationalizations. They're typically profoundly lacking in self awareness, though with help they can come to realize when what they're doing is wrong and want to change. They can also be remarkably improved if the group they identify with comes under a better leader.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:58 PM

2. Fantasy Sugar Daddy meets Survivor.

Good gawd

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Response to peekaloo (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:01 PM

3. I haven't looked yet but there must be a photo of her in the dictionary next to the word "naive."

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Response to brush (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:05 PM

6. I found one under "willfully ignorant"

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Response to peekaloo (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:06 PM

9. Yeah, that's even more like it.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:04 PM

5. I live in a blue city in a red state-

I know several of these educated Trump women.

To a one, they are ANGRY. Their anger is so constant and unfocused, it really seems more like a personality trait than a reaction to anything specific. They feel like they have been cheated somehow of what they think they deserve. (Three of them have very nice, bland husbands, who are probably the only ones who can put up with the constant anger).

They seem most angry at institutions which don't give them what they want-- their kids' school system which expects them to pay for textbooks and supplies (though obviously - to the rest of this-- this is because the conservative state legislature won't properly fund schools-- these women, however, act like this is a personal affront that the particular school is making on them specifically). Or their employer who won't pay them overtime, and somehow that is the fault of unions (even though they're a lawyer and there is no union involved).

Most of what they're angry about would probably be helped by liberal policies, but that's not important to them-- 1) they blame liberals for... uh, not doing enough? Helping all people but not them in particular? 2) If what they're angry about is fixed, they'd just find something else to be angry about.

I had a long talk-- well, long LISTEN-- I didn't say much- with two of these women recently, and I realized that first, they take EVERYTHING personally, and also, they are angry not just with government but with their husbands, their families, their kids. They're just angry, and they hold grudges forever. Say my birthday card to them arrives late. They're angry. I apologize profusely (stupid me). Months later, they're still angry, even though the birthday card in fact arrived, and I've already apologized.

It's not that they support Trump's policies or anything. It's that Trump is THEM-- irrational, angry, self-obsessed, quick to feel cheated, and grudge-holding.

They can't dislike anything Trump does, because that's how they would like to be. They'd like to force everyone else to pay attention to them and be afraid of upsetting them. They want to be Trump. Nothing any progressive or Democrat could do would help, because it's not about policy or governance-- it's all personality.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:01 PM

25. "It's that Trump is THEM-- irrational, angry, self-obsessed, quick to feel cheated, and grudge-

holding."

Great post! Very interesting perspective. I think you are on to something. I know some women like this as well, and when I think of what they have in common - you are right - they are angry, judgmental, irrational and quick to blame others for their own shortcomings. Also, most of them just aren't very bright. They never really think anything through.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:08 PM

33. I met a grown woman recently

Who thought that if she woke up at 3 am and got a drink of water that the devil is up at that hour and would get her. So she would just stay in bed until it wasn't "The Devil's Hour".

Then she said, regarding politics, "If it doesn't effect me or my kids, I don't care."

I meet a LOT of women like that here. Some are college educated some are not.

And I really think that they would be better off, happier and more well adapted in a pre-industrial society, where they had a skill - they had a home and they were not asked to worry beyond that. They would be less angry and stressed.


Many humans, of any gender have not evolved as quickly as our technology and it's demands upon them.



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Response to violetpastille (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:13 PM

35. Wow, that is some crazy thinking!

Where are you located? It sounds like she is religious. It seems even if people are well educated, if they are also very religious, it stifles their desire or ability to think critically.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:15 PM

41. 10 minutes from Portland Oregon

The PNW seems to be is a nice, shady place for white nonsense to flourish.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland/492035/





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Response to dawg day (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:25 PM

29. What do we do?

I used to bitch about Oprah's woo, and Dr Phil peddling.

But she did do a lot to get white women to sit down and read about other lives. Cry for other people's pain. Hot glue some shit to some other shit.

People talk about Oprah for President. I think she would help the world most by bringing back her show.

That magical fucking thinking isn't going anywhere. Oprah knows how to take our spiritual cancer and make SpiritualCancerade (tm.)

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Response to dawg day (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:00 PM

31. A lot of good points

I see the anger you describe in someone I know. Holding a grudge is an understatement with this person. She looks for reasons to be mad about something, no matter how trivial.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:06 PM

7. "How was I supposed to know what they were doing in those camps?"

Stupid is as stupid does, college notwithstanding.

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Response to byronius (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:16 PM

28. This Was

pretty much my reaction as well - your header. "I don't always like what he says, but he probably doesn't mean most of it. Some of the things he does aren't great, but I don't think he really believes in most of that stuff. He's successful, so he must know something." I've actually heard with my ears, "He's rich so he must be smart."

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Response to byronius (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 06:00 AM

53. +1

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:06 PM

8. What a dumb young woman!

That’s all I’ve got to write.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:08 PM

10. "When I was little"

"I would sit with my grandfather on Saturday mornings and we would watch Fox News..."

That right there says it all. She isn't naive or sheltered. She grew up watching propaganda and is basically a cult member. And I'm betting that is the case for most of these women.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:22 PM

14. Except the whole idea is preposterous. A little girl wanting to

Whatever Sat mornings watching TV cable news rather than playing with her friends.

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:02 PM

32. That is a bullshit excuse

Pardon my language but it is true. My father, uncle and their parents were life long Republicans, and were all very politically active and outspoken. My mother's side are conservative Democrats, but my dad's side were far more vocal about it.Yet here I am, a liberal. All it took to begin transitioning out of that right wing mindset was a high school civics course, where I actually began learning what each party stands for.

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Response to The Genealogist (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:18 PM

36. I didn't give her an excuse

I was merely pointing out that her mind was filled with propaganda. In fact, I'm NOT giving her the excuse of being sheltered and naive. She clearly got the poison in her veins and has done nothing to educate herself so that she isn't racist. Because Fox News is White Supremacist Channel 24-7 even though they hire a few "tokens."

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:20 PM

37. Didnt mean to imply you had

Sorry for the confusion.

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Response to The Genealogist (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:57 PM

39. Got it

No worries.

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Response to The Genealogist (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 06:09 AM

54. Some people have strong wills and grow up

She’s still little and an idiot.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:18 PM

11. This is true

I have always maintained that "Trump is a great and successful businessman" has been etched into the psyche of a lot of people who watched "The Apprentice"

These people don't understand money and business at all, just go by TV impressions and narratives.

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Response to Apollyonus (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:27 PM

19. I didn't realize until last year

That show was completely scripted and told Trump what to do and say. So basically they made him look strong when he wasn’t, just another propaganda for the future.

More fake when a lot of people me included thought he was making the decisions on the show.

It needs to get out in the public that he was just a actor puppet for the show then maybe so many wouldn’t believe in him.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:19 PM

12. Sorry .. your link is too long. Please try tinyurl.com

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Response to Apollyonus (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:51 PM

22. Sorry, try the link. It works.

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Response to elleng (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:55 PM

23. He needs to update as the premise doesn't hold any longer. We just framed a huge Dem win.

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Response to elleng (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 05:20 AM

49. no, it has nothing to do with that. it's about racism. if it was about messaging then you would have

non whites falling for the shit also. and equal numbers of white people who see through the shit.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:23 PM

15. Privilege is tough to give up.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:25 PM

16. Willful ignorance.




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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:27 PM

17. These are the girls who are looking for their Christian Grey

And btw did you all see the homophobic slur towards liberal men? The one female Trumpie that called liberal men “really feminine”.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:27 PM

18. White women cling to white privilege. Racism is stronger than sisterhood.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:40 PM

20. Wouldn't They Have Been Happier at NC State?

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Response to The Great Escape (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 05:15 AM

48. or Liberty U

nt

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:49 PM

21. ...you can't fix stupid.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:56 PM

24. Conscious thought comes up with silly reasons. Unconscious bias is the real driving force.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:02 PM

26. The lady should read about Trump's wonderful business decisions.

If he does to the country what he did to his businesses, we'll have bread lines one day.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:04 PM

27. The essence of Maggie, and those like her:

He made very smart business decisions,” Maggie said, “and you would hope that he would hone in on these skills to build up this country.”


He is a crook, and a business failure. And Maggie is no better or smarter than Sarah Palin.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:43 PM

30. They do not believe they are racist because it is so ingrained into their mindset. They have been

brainwashed by their parents, Fox News and radio outlets.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:13 PM

34. Huh, a Trump chump and a millennial. I thought only Boomers were Trumpanzees?

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Response to Hassler (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:12 PM

40. Some millennials have come to realize their cohort has wingers too, just as boomers and genXers do.

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Response to brush (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:34 PM

42. college students are Gen Z

Millennials typically cut off at 1995-1996. 1996 babies are either college seniors or have graduated.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:44 PM

43. Gen Z has it's winger too then.

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Response to brush (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:59 PM

45. I think every generation does

Millennials have Dylan Roof (Charleston shooter).

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Response to Hassler (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:48 PM

44. Nope, not even close.

Sadly, it seems the ones that vote are wingers.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 05:27 PM

46. "His racist quips are just a harmless marketing ploy!"

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 05:56 AM

52. +1, one guy I knew said "he's not a sheet and hood wearing racist" as if that was somehow better

Even they know he's a racist

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #52)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:51 AM

55. "Hitler didn't really hate the Jews! He only gassed them for political reasons!"

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Response to brush (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 05:40 PM

47. Attending golf tournaments really helps me

I witness this type of thing and consequently I never fool myself regarding the Republican Party going away, or defeating Trump by landslide.

Two weeks ago I attended an LPGA tournament in Naples. That is always awkward because those are heavy red counties -- Collier and Lee -- plus golf skews conservative to begin with. I am always hearing comments in the gallery or the shuttle bus.

This year on Thursday I saw an elderly couple in the grandstands with the man wearing a MAGA hat. Two days later I saw them with obviously a daughter, son-in-law and two children. Grandpa was still wearing the MAGA hat. I can just imagine what that daughter heard all her life regarding politics, and little doubt she married that way and it will be passed down to her children.

One percent here and there is fine. Get rid of the landslide nonsense. That is not the real world.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 05:23 AM

50. they aren't naive. they are just bigots .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:44 AM

57. One common thread that I saw among all of them.

Was that they were religious or extremely religious. So they have engrained failure to question stuff into their psyche.

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Response to brush (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 05:24 AM

51. Don't wast time with them. Tell them to their faces,

"I can't wast my time trying to explain reality to you. You are too ignorant to understand it."

I did this to my cousin and she kept imploring me..."What do you mean, I'm too ignorant?" I just walked away shaking my head. She kept after me, "what do you mean?" I just said, let's change the subject and walked away again.

I bothered her all through their visit with us but I wouldn't give her the satisfaction of saying another word about it. I just know she is going to search out some stuff on her own. Most people with a modicum of brains do not like to be told they are ignorant. Not arguing or trying to persuade her further has piqued her interest more than trying to convince her myself. I just acted like I know something she doesn't know and that was maddening to her.

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Response to allgood33 (Reply #51)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 10:41 AM

56. She will research and find out the truth, or she will do her research on the dog whistle

conservative sites and just reenforce her ignorance. My guess is she does the second.

I would have appealed to the nice traits that she shows. If she is a good mom, tell her "X, you seem to be a wonderful mom, but I have seen the things that you believe politically really hurt children, do you want that for your kids? Why don't you read stuff by people that you disagree with, try not to pass judgement, just think about what they say and the data they present to support their arguments. You seem to be a good mom, so I am sure in the end you will work out the best path for your kids". Yes, it's a little ass kissing toward her, but sugar draws bees better than salt.

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