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Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:55 PM

Remember we are learning everything because Trump paid a porno star to be quiet

Somerset Maugham couldn't write a novel with a more hilarious downfall that is the result of such debased vanity.

A hundred years from now there will be plays, rock operas, Italian operas, movies, novels and comic books about how a person of incredible low morals, limited self awareness and vast ignorance of how government works volunteered to become President so every little thing could be examined in exquisite detail.

Ms. Daniels and Avenatti lit the match on this fuse and Trump tried to extinguish it with gallons of kerosene.

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Reply Remember we are learning everything because Trump paid a porno star to be quiet (Original post)
grantcart Nov 29 OP
Gothmog Nov 29 #1
Beakybird Nov 29 #4
grantcart Nov 29 #11
grantcart Nov 29 #7
Cha Nov 29 #16
grantcart Nov 30 #19
UniteFightBack Nov 29 #2
Ciaphas Cain Nov 30 #18
Kingofalldems Nov 29 #3
dalton99a Nov 29 #10
mahatmakanejeeves Nov 29 #5
grantcart Nov 29 #8
mahatmakanejeeves Nov 29 #12
Kaleva Nov 29 #14
Auggie Dec 1 #24
EffieBlack Dec 2 #29
Progressive dog Nov 29 #6
grantcart Nov 29 #9
grantcart Nov 29 #13
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 29 #15
grantcart Nov 29 #17
allgood33 Nov 30 #20
Mr.Bill Nov 30 #21
grantcart Dec 1 #23
tclambert Nov 30 #22
samnsara Dec 2 #25
panader0 Dec 2 #26
MLAA Dec 2 #27
TwistOneUp Dec 2 #28

Response to grantcart (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:06 PM

1. The search warrants for Cohen's office and home were in process long before avanatti

It takes a very long time to get a warrant to search an attorney’s office. Avanatti had nothing to do with these charges. Avanatti had nothing to do with these results

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:11 PM

4. It seems like the Stormy Daniel payment

precipitated the warrant. It very well might have been a factor.

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:35 PM

11. It was the only factor. The search warrant wasn't carried out by Mueller but

by the Southern District AG of NY office and was completely unrelated to Mueller.

It was for bank fraud and campaign finance violations related to allegations made by SD.

See below for the citation.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:24 PM

7. The basis for the search warrant were directly based on bank fraud and campaign finance violations

specifically related to Stormy Daniels. The law suit was filed March 6th and a search warrant was issued on April 9th

Here is the WAPO article detailing the connection



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-seizes-records-related-to-stormy-daniels-in-raid-of-trump-attorney-michael-cohens-office/2018/04/09/e3e43cf4-3c30-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?utm_term=.ce1fd3def533

Michael Cohen, the longtime attorney of President Trump, is under federal investigation for possible bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance violations, according to three people with knowledge of the case.

FBI agents on Monday raided Cohen’s Manhattan office, home and hotel room as part of the investigation, seizing records about Cohen’s clients and personal finances. Among the records taken were those related to a 2016 payment Cohen made to adult-film star Stormy Daniels, who claims to have had a sexual encounter with Trump, according to a fourth person familiar with the investigation.



Here is a detailed timeline from Daniels wiki:



On March 6, 2018, Daniels filed a lawsuit against Trump. She said that the non-disclosure agreement that she had signed in reference to the alleged affair was invalid because Trump had never personally signed it. The suit also alleges that Trump's attorney had been trying to intimidate Daniels and "scare her into not talking". A day later, Cohen initiated an ex parte arbitration process which resulted in an order that barred Daniels from disclosing "confidential information" related to the non-disclosure agreement. The order itself, which Daniels' lawyers called bogus, was supposed to remain confidential.[57]

In a March 25, 2018, interview with 60 Minutes, Daniels said that she and Trump had sex once, and that later she had been threatened in front of her infant daughter and felt pressured to later sign a non-disclosure agreement.[58][59]

On April 9, 2018, FBI agents raided Cohen's office and seized emails, tax documents and business records relating to several matters, including payments to Daniels.[60]




The assertion in the OP that it was a direct result of the law suit stands.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:08 PM

16. I certainly needed

reminding.. thanks, grant.

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Response to Cha (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:44 AM

19. Thanks Cha

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:09 PM

2. This added logs to the fire...- and these are the women we KNOW ABOUT....who else has rump

paid to shut up and why. ???????

Also Avenatti bulldogging it really added some extra pressure on rump...he had to answer questions about it...lie about it....contradict, his wife was HUMILIATED ..fun times.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:25 AM

18. He's cool

It was funny watching people take his Presidential announcement seriously. 100% trolling lol

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:10 PM

3. GOP internet trolls are obsessed with Avenatti.

He did his part for the cause.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:33 PM

10. Absolutely.

Is he presidential material? No.
But he deserves credit for what happened

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:21 PM

5. I disagree. Michael Avenatti is a grandstanding blowhard.

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The hard work, the real work, is being done by people we never have heard of and never will hear of.

I wouldn't vote for Avenatti if he ran for the office of dogcatcher.

Someone with hurt feelings is bound to alert on this, so spell my name right:

mahatmakanejeeves

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:28 PM

8. I wouldn't disagree. The fact of the matter however is that the search warrant from April 9th


was 100% based on the suit regarding Daniels. See reply 7 above.


It isn't a testament to Avenatti but rather a testament to how bizarre the case has become and the hubris of Trump that he was swimming in pee pee tapes and payments to porn stars and all of the other crimes and thought that he could just swim by.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:39 PM

12. To be sure, I thoroughly enjoy watching the Republican administration twist slowly in the wind.

To harken back to the good old days of RMN.

And as for your description of ***** as

a person of incredible low morals, limited self awareness and vast ignorance of how government works {who} volunteered to become President....

I totally agree.

Keep your eyes on the prize.

Best wishes.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:32 PM

14. I would agree with your 2nd paragraph.

Personally, I don't think Trump intended to win. Losing the election would have been a cash cow for him, his family and his brand. Book deals, reality tv shows, merchandising, speeches and so on.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:28 PM

29. Being a blowhard and being effective are not mutually exclusive. n/t

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:21 PM

6. Mueller investigation

did the work. Trump probably welcomed the porn star publicity as a distraction from the Mueller probe.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:33 PM

9. Nope. This particular part of the denoument was not done by Mueller, it was done by the Southern Dis

of NY AG who initiated the investigation and the search warrants on charges completely unrelated to the Mueller investigation.

Mueller is investigating Russian interference in the election and the SDNYAG was investigating wire fraud and campaign finance violations as a result of Stormy Daniels lawsuit.

The plea today was related to the Russian investigation but it is the 9th charge against Cohen. The first 8 were done (probably with the knowledge of) by the office of the AG in New York under a Republican appointed District Attorney.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:26 PM

13. Lawrence O'Donnell is making exactly the same point now

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:33 PM

15. disagree on extinguisher attempt

He used gales of gas rather than gallons of kerosene. It is not certain from which orifice the gales originated, but they were composed of hot gasses.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:42 PM

17. Lol

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:48 AM

20. And we will learn much more when the rest of those paid come forth.

You know deep down there are many more.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 05:25 PM

21. I don't dislike Avenatti

but I will be far more impressed when he actually brings someone to trial and kicks ass in a courtroom, not Twitter.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:04 AM

23. To me the larger drama is that Trump, knowing that he had these extraordinary

Vulnerable actions (What can be more reckless than dating pork stars?) That would make him such an easy target for a guy like Avenatti to open him up like a can of tuna.

Hubris doesn't really cover it.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:37 PM

22. Coming to theaters soon: The Porn Star Who Saved America.

I feel like I'd have to watch that movie, but my wife will get mad at me when I do.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:15 AM

25. YEP!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 08:24 AM

26. It is truly amazing.

I remember when I first heard about the Steele dossier and the "golden showers".
I was stunned to think that something like that could bring down a sitting
POTUS. Then the pussy grabbin' tapes and the porn star. It's all so hard
to imagine--stranger than fiction (with apologies to Somerset Maugham).

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 09:01 AM

27. Just as an aside...since you Mentioned Somerset Maugham.

Two favorite excerpts

“American women expect to find in their husbands a perfection English women only hope to find in their butlers.”

Now this one is paraphrased

“Other than the diamond earrings, pearl choker, emerald brooch, pearl and diamond bracelet she wore no jewelry”

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 07:09 PM

28. It just happened to be Ms. Daniels...

It could have been anyone or anything. When you're as corrupt as Cheetolini is, you've got *lots* of loose ends that you can follow, or otherwise bump into. It's not like Nixon, which started with Bumblegate ... er, I mean, Watergate.

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