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Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:35 PM

Michael Cohen might be sitting on a bombshell that even a Trump voter

might get rattled by.

Jeffrey Epstein, the child rapist living in Florida (more than 100 victims), faces another civil trial next Tuesday. His criminal worries disappeared when he got off with an incredibly light sentence from a prosecutor named Alex Acosta -- who went on to join Trump’s Cabinet. Interestingly, Trump was one of the men who were implicated in Epstein’s sex parties. In 2016 a woman named Katie Johnson sued Trump, saying he raped her at an Epstein party when she was 13. She even had another witness, a woman who was present at the party. But Johnson withdrew her lawsuit a few days before the election, saying she was afraid.

I can’t wait for it to come out that Katie Johnson was one of the women Cohen paid off.



(And please don't be misled by the word "prostitute" in the stories. 13, 14, and 15 year old teens aren't prostitutes. They're victims, who were targeted. Epstein paid his young "friends" to lure their own friends to his parties. So every victim led to 3 or 4 more high school or middle school students.)

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

Facing a 53-page federal indictment, Epstein could have ended up in federal prison for the rest of his life.

But on the morning of the breakfast meeting, a deal was struck — an extraordinary plea agreement that would conceal the full extent of Epstein’s crimes and the number of people involved.

Not only would Epstein serve just 13 months in the county jail, but the deal — called a non-prosecution agreement — essentially shut down an ongoing FBI probe into whether there were more victims and other powerful people who took part in Epstein’s sex crimes, according to a Miami Herald examination of thousands of emails, court documents and FBI records.

The pact required Epstein to plead guilty to two prostitution charges in state court. Epstein and four of his accomplices named in the agreement received immunity from all federal criminal charges. But even more unusual, the deal included wording that granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators’’ who were also involved in Epstein’s crimes. These accomplices or participants were not identified in the agreement, leaving it open to interpretation whether it possibly referred to other influential people who were having sex with underage girls at Epstein’s various homes or on his plane.

As part of the arrangement, Acosta agreed, despite a federal law to the contrary, that the deal would be kept from the victims. As a result, the non-prosecution agreement was sealed until after it was approved by the judge, thereby averting any chance that the girls — or anyone else — might show up in court and try to derail it.


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Reply Michael Cohen might be sitting on a bombshell that even a Trump voter (Original post)
pnwmom Nov 2018 OP
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #1
Name removed Nov 2018 #37
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #41
Jeffersons Ghost Nov 2018 #52
allgood33 Nov 2018 #53
calimary Nov 2018 #76
SayItLoud Nov 2018 #78
Me. Nov 2018 #2
erronis Nov 2018 #16
Me. Nov 2018 #19
UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #3
Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #32
watoos Nov 2018 #33
Ferrets are Cool Nov 2018 #4
lilactime Nov 2018 #5
Blue_true Nov 2018 #22
FM123 Nov 2018 #6
Glimmer of Hope Nov 2018 #7
DoctorJoJo Nov 2018 #8
pnwmom Nov 2018 #13
Me. Nov 2018 #21
grantcart Nov 2018 #9
ellie Nov 2018 #10
pnwmom Nov 2018 #11
D_Master81 Nov 2018 #12
Blue_true Nov 2018 #23
Duppers Nov 2018 #38
Lucky Luciano Nov 2018 #14
gay texan Nov 2018 #18
whathehell Nov 2018 #29
gay texan Nov 2018 #42
Garrett78 Nov 2018 #49
CaptYossarian Nov 2018 #73
whathehell Nov 2018 #77
whathehell Nov 2018 #79
Pepsidog Nov 2018 #15
erronis Nov 2018 #17
pnwmom Nov 2018 #26
kag Nov 2018 #86
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:40 PM

1. i wondered where this story went

Saw some of it before the election, then it disappeared with the lawsuit. There's a lot more in that can of worms than has been revealed so far.

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Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:43 AM

41. thank you

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:55 AM

52. thanks for your reply! Did someone mention "BOMBSHELL?"

Mueller's weapon of choice is still an FBI FISA Warrant: read ALL of this...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211491422

GOTCHA
The National Security Agency is the only government group that actually listens...
Maybe, FBI online agents are finally "listening" too...

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:34 PM

76. So did I. I remember reading about it - especially that rape

of the 13-year-old. Allegedly by trump. That story sure did disappear.

Wonder if there’s any way to revive it, or anything that will enable the victims to seek justice? They’ve been defiled, cheated, and then robbed. Sadly enough, with trump involved it’s probably to be expected.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:42 PM

78. Flori-duh . A sunny place for shady people!....and

Out going Fl AG Pam Bondi always on her knees before tRUMP will be roped into this disgraceful cover up before long.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:44 PM

2. Other Big Names From The Herald Piece

Ken Starr, Mr. Morality, as his lawyer, Alan Dershowitz and Manhattan DA Cy Vance who tried to get Epstein's sexual predator status lowered. And how like these guys to shortchange the female victims in this matter by denying them justice. And kudos to the former Miami Chief of Police who was frustrated & disgusted by all the injustice but who's hands were tied.

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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:06 PM

16. Cy Vance, Jr.

A shame.

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Response to erronis (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:12 PM

19. But He Has A Well Earned Reputation For Giving Big Names A Pass

The Trumps, Strauss-Kahn, almost let Weinstein off due to sloppy work from his office or so they say and now this Epstein deviant. I wish to God someone would run to oppose him.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:45 PM

3. I remember Katie. nt

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:57 PM

32. Katie Johnson withdrew her lawsuit when the death threats became overwhelming,

targeting her parents, her siblings and eventually, her ENTIRE family.

It was also reported, when this attack occurred, that she had been told to be quiet or else she, too, would disappear. This was a reference to another young victim, who disappeared and whose body was never found.

Rest easy, trmp.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:07 AM

33. Yip, that's what I remember.

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:49 PM

4. K and R

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:49 PM

5. Trump voters would blame the young girls.

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Response to lilactime (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:18 PM

22. Yes they would. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:50 PM

6. Here in South FL, this story never really went away.

It's sickening how Acosta helped Epstein derail the victims.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:24 PM

7. I have always thought she was credible.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:43 PM

8. There Have Been Rumors That Douchbagowitz Was Also Involved, ...

 

... which might explain why he participated in burying it and now serves as Trump's judicial pimp.

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Response to DoctorJoJo (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:02 PM

13. The Miami Herald article at the link mentions Dershowitz

and that there was at least one accusation against him.

So, yes, I've wondered if this accounts for his descent into the dark world.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:13 PM

21. Same Here

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:52 PM

9. Epstein found one of his victims at Mar a lago

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:57 PM

10. I read this article

in the Miami Herald and it is rage inducing.

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Response to ellie (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:00 PM

11. It sure is. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:01 PM

12. They wont believe it

They just dismiss it out of hand and move on. Look at how it went down with Kavenaugh.

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Response to D_Master81 (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:21 PM

23. Yep, they will use the old standby, "Why didn't the girls say something years ago?"

Deplorables are, well deplorable.

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Response to D_Master81 (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:20 AM

38. B I N G O !

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:04 PM

14. This won't move the needle with deplorables. nt

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:12 PM

18. "Guys will be guys"

$10 says that's the excuse they will come up with.....

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Response to gay texan (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:47 PM

29. I don't think they'd do that with children..

I know that super cynicism usually wins the day here, but I don't think they'd take it that far.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:58 AM

42. true

but after the last two years, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:52 AM

49. It's more likely that they'd dismiss it as fake news.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:20 PM

73. Trump voters of today would have blown up those little black girls at that church years ago.

I have nothing but contempt for them and want the south to secede again--and leave them alone this time.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #73)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:38 PM

77. Um, no, that's taking it way too far for me.

Have a nice day.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:05 PM

15. Set aside the agreement not to prosecute as an illegal plea bargain and go after the bastards.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:12 PM

17. The plea agreement can be contested and annulled.

And there should be an open trial of those involved. Once the plea deal arrangements have been exposed all of the perpetrators will have a difficult time with the rest of their lives.

Justice.

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Response to erronis (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:35 PM

26. I don't know the details, but I read recently there is still an outstanding lawsuit

attempting to do just that.

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Response to erronis (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:46 PM

86. And THIS is why we must preserve our free press.

When even the "justice" system fails us, the press is often the only recourse. This article is incredible.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:12 PM

20. I am afraid that Trumpanzees will think it's either ok or a false accussation

On Edit*: the Miami Herald article is well worth the read. A bit Heartbreaking, but excellent.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:23 PM

24. They won't understand the reports, so I've always thought.

And if they do, they'll think it's all lies and if they believe it, it'll be that it's no big deal.

They don't care what kind of monster he is as long as he's their monster.



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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:27 PM

25. This comment reminds me of kavanaugh's accusers

Epstein paid his young "friends" to lure their own friends to his parties. So every victim led to 3 or 4 more high school or middle school students.)

Didn't one of the women report that she brought friends to the parties, knowing they'd likely be assaulted? And people wondered why she did that?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:41 PM

27. You overestimate the Trump cult. Won't matter. Nothing will

I think they've more than proven already that absolutely nothing will sway them away from their cult leader. NOTHING.

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Response to bitterross (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 03:16 AM

88. I'm with you.

Anything negative toward donald is discounted as lies dreamed up by whoever is at the top of the list today.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:46 PM

28. I can't read this again.

It's disgustingly infuriating. Oh, what a president we do have. Thick as thieves. Birds of a feather. Crooks and criminals. One and all. Tick Tock.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:48 PM

30. Jaw dropping and appalling

That is an outrageous story. So disgraceful.
These girls are likely to have problems with this for decades.

The one thing I was hoping is that they missed someone who lives in a state that could nail him ...

This evil man should not see the light of freedom ever again

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:51 PM

31. What happens if the migrant children and teenagers "somehow" found their

way to these animals? And if their whereabouts were intentionally lost to serve the alter cockers?

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Response to fierywoman (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:11 AM

34. With all due respect, where have you been ?

There have been dozens of allegations (both of beatings and sexual assault) regarding the children being held in cages at these inhuman detention centers. Children as young as five have been physically abused. In some cases, by older, more sexually-mature boys, who were well-know by the "guards" to be predatory. Nothing has been done to segregate these younger children and protect them from the abuse and assault.

Every time I hear Kristjen Nielson (Secretary of Homeland Security) say that these children are not being placed in dangerous situations, I want to lunge at her neck right through the goddam screen. ANYONE who thinks that ripping innocent children from their mothers' arms and placing them in cages is a good idea needs to visit the guillotine. ANYONE who thinks that gassing unarmed men, women and children is a good idea needs to be put on permanent duty at the morgue.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:15 AM

35. Umm, with all due respect, I think we are talking about two different scenarios.

Yes, I am informed and aware of the horrors you write of. My questions regarded those children who had "disappeared" from the cages/jails/detention centers that we are aware of.

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Response to fierywoman (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:06 AM

43. Well, what is the last count of children that they have "lost ?"

I shudder to think about the accountability of the DHS to keep adequate records, much less follow up on these innocents.

Is anyone looking into this ?

It seems we are so overwhelmed with scandals that it is difficult to keep track of all of the abuses of power in which this WH has engaged.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:42 AM

48. I just googled "lost migrant children numbers" and it's between

1500-6000.

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Response to fierywoman (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:55 AM

50. In other words, they just flat out don't know.

This is madness.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #50)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:42 AM

51. Or -- and I think anything is possible at this point with this crew -- like the good Nazis

they are (i.e., meticulous record keepers), they know very well where the lost children are and what's become of them.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:16 AM

36. Disgusting

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:25 AM

39. All that is needed in this story

is a Pizza place.


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Response to AwakeAtLast (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:07 AM

44. And the bookstore with no basement.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:33 AM

40. It Will Not Rattle Them

Even if it comes out that Donald Trump raped a 13 year old girl his supporters will not care. They only care about things like that when the politician is a Democrat. Remember Roy Moore? Republicans made excuses for him. They claimed it was normal for a 35 year old man to try to date a teenage girl. I think they said something about how a 30+ year old lawyer would have been seen as a catch to a Southern girl and her family. I think they also said that due to poverty in the South and the fact that girls could not support families, getting your teenage daughter married to a 31 year old man was seen as something to do in order to not have the family destroyed by poverty.

I can only imagine what Trump supporters will say about Trump sleeping with a 13 year old girl. They will once again blame the girl and her family. They will claim the girl and her family probably saw Trump as a way to riches. They will likely go as far as to say that the girl and her family set up Trump. They will claim poor Trump was tricked into have sex with the 13 year old and the girl and her family threaten Trump so they could get millions of dollars. They will make Trump into the real victim. If they do not take the route of blaming the girl and her family they will claim Trump was the ultimate catch. They will ask the question, what family would not want their 13 year old daughter to date and marry a 30 something/40 something year old billionaire. I would not be surprised if Trump supporter claimed the only surprising thing about this story is that there are not more 13 year old girls who tried to have sex with and marry Donald Trump due to everything he had to offer a 13 year old girl. I also would not be surprised if they said that a 13 year old girl would have seen Trump, the handsome billionaire, as a sexy catch.


If you are expecting Trump having sex with a 13 year old to cause Trump's supporters to turn on him you need to stop. We have seen this before and they did not do such a thing in the past. They will not do it in this case. They will do the same as and more than they did with Roy Moore. They will either claim Trump would have been regarded as a catch by any family with a teenage daughter, or they will claim Trump is the real victim in that clearly this girl and her family saw Trump's riches and decided to do whatever they had to do to get those riches.

I may be wrong, but I do not expect to see Trump having sex with a 13 year old turn away his supporters. They have stood with him through everyting else. I do not see the turning away it turns out to be true that he slept with a 13 year old. Trump knew his supporters better than we thought. They will stick with him through just about everything.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:09 AM

45. And yet, Al Franken was a pervert.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:19 AM

47. He wasn't accused of "sleeping" with her. He was accused of a violent RAPE of a 13 yr. old.

And there is a witness. And the victim told more than one classmate in the months after it happened.

I don't know why you are minimizing what he was accused of. It wasn't "sleeping" and it wasn't "having sex." It wasn't even "underage sex."

What she alleged was a forceful rape of a child. If it turns out that Cohen paid her off, and got her to sign an hush money agreement, I think Trump's supporters will start to desert him.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:51 AM

54. They Will Not

Trump was right about his supporters. They will support him through anything. I am not minimizing what he did. I believe at one point I mentioned that he raped the girl. However, you are fooling yourself if you truly think his supporters will ever turn their backs on him for raping a child. Trump's supporters do not care about what he does in his personal life.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #54)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 02:05 AM

87. I agree

But there is another way that Trumpsters 'handle' scandal like this. About half won't even care how many underage girls he raped. But the other half will just listen to the first RW liar host to come on air and say she is making it all up. That she is being paid by Soros and Hillary and the Democratic Deep State.

Either way, they will find a way to either deny or excuse.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 06:03 PM

81. I agree with you, pnwmom.

This is very different from having a relationship with an underage girl. Some of his most hardcore supporters may stick with him, but I think many would be disgusted and horrified by this, enough to make a difference. I have always thought this. It's the one thing that many of them would not be able to rationalize into acceptance.

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Response to erpowers (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:22 PM

59. they both don't care and don't believe

First they don't care about women in general - so don't care
Second - it's all a 'plot' and everyone's out to get him

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Response to Locrian (Reply #59)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:42 PM

60. Yes

That is one thing Donald Trump and possibly all Republican can count on happening. The Republican base will make everything into a plot to take down Donald Trump and the Republican Party. I would not be surprised if some Republicans tried to claim that the girl and her family were being paid by George Soros all along.

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Response to Locrian (Reply #59)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 06:19 PM

84. And if they found out Cohen/Trump paid a lot of money for her silence? n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:10 AM

46. as disgusting as it is i don't think most of them would care

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:06 AM

55. The REAL "Pizzagate"...

...being swept under the rug.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:44 AM

56. Maybe this is how Hannity ties into the whole thing

I hate to speculate, but he is the most rabid Trump defender, as if his own life is riding on Trump.

Also, Cohen was "representing" Hannity secretly.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:53 AM

57. Whenever this Epstein guy is brought up

Whenever this Epstein guy is brought up on other forums, repukes always bring up Clinton and how he was more involved than Trump.

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Response to Catherine Vincent (Reply #57)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:52 PM

61. That's not what the facts show. Read the Miami article, and others.

Trump was accused. Clinton wasn't. And no reputable source found evidence Clinton did anything worse than accept a ride on an airplane full of other people.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #61)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:38 PM

63. The Republicans that support Trump will only focus on Clinton. I don't like how it looks. Clinton

Flew on that plane several times. Visited Epstein's island. He does not get a pass. You better believe if Trump goes down for this he will pull everyone he knows that is implicated down with him especially if they are named Clinton.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #63)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:27 PM

65. Clinton didn't visit the Island. He flew on the plane

on multiple trips, along with members of his Secret Service contingent. This was shown in flight logs.

And no women has ever accused him of any misbehavior on those trips.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/victims-feds-hid-sweetheart-deal-sex-offender-deep/story?id=36843144

Court files document long-running ties between Epstein and the former president. Bill Clinton flew on at least six trips with Epstein and his entourage in 2002 and 2003 including to international destinations such as Paris, Bangkok and Brunei, according to logs kept by one of Epstein’s pilots.

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To date, no documentary evidence has emerged to show that Clinton ever got near Epstein’s island home, and the U.S. Secret Service, in response to Freedom of Information Act requests, says it has no records of its agents traveling there in the years after Clinton left office.



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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:18 PM

58. The Mushroom Militia won't care.

cf: Roy Moore, confessed pedophile, embraced by the Base.

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Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:22 PM

62. Wasn't Alan Dershiwetz's name linked to this Epstein scandal?

 

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Response to louis c (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:37 PM

67. yes he's mentioned in the story

Read the story, there's four parts I think, this is from part 3


link https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article219494920.html

In the affidavit, Roberts claimed that Epstein and Maxwell directed her to have sex with Andrew and Dershowitz and others. She had sex with Andrew three times, she alleged — once in London, when she was 17, again in New York, when she was 17, and a third time, as part of an orgy on Epstein’s island, when she was 18. By law, at 17, she would have been above the age of consent in New York and England, but not in Florida, where the age of consent is 18.

As part of the affidavit, Roberts furnished a photograph of her with the prince and Maxwell, which she said was taken in London.

Dershowitz, who was part of Epstein’s criminal defense team, was often a guest at Epstein’s homes, she said.

“I had sexual intercourse with Dershowitz at least six times,’’ Roberts wrote in the 2015 court affidavit. “The first time was when I was about 16, early on in my servitude to Epstein and it continued until I was 19.’’ She detailed some of those trysts, which she said happened at Epstein’s homes in Palm Beach, New Mexico and on Epstein’s island.

One of Epstein’s housemen, Juan Alessi, testified in a 2009 sworn deposition that Dershowitz visited Epstein’s Palm Beach home four or five times a year. He said that Roberts was a frequent visitor as well, but he never placed Dershowitz and Roberts at the house at the same time.




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Response to louis c (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:37 PM

68. He was Epstein's lawyer, and he was also named by a victim,

and he denied doing anything other than getting an ordinary massage.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:41 PM

64. WOW!

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Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:31 PM

66. seems to me this kind of deal would be illegal

I'm no lawyer so I don't know for sure...but my gut (LOL!) tells me this is an illegal deal.

I would think someone with standing could sue and the the deal overturned.

...but maybe my gut isn't as smart a the oranganuses gut.

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #66)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:10 PM

72. There is still an outstanding lawsuit seeking to overturn the deal.

But I couldn't find details on when it might come to court.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/us/jeffrey-epstein-acosta-florida-sex-abuse.html

Not one of Mr. Epstein’s victims was initially informed of the nonprosecution agreement, whose terms called for it to be kept secret. It was not until afterward that victims and their lawyers learned that no federal prosecutions against Mr. Epstein would be initiated. The secret deal prompted two of the victims, identified in court records as “Jane Doe 1” and “Jane Doe 2,” to sue the government, claiming that the agreement had violated the federal Crime Victims’ Rights Act, which grants victims the right to be informed of crucial steps during a prosecution, such as plea negotiations. (Ms. Wild is Jane Doe 1, according to The Herald.)

Bradley J. Edwards, the lawyer representing Ms. Wild and other victims, wrote in a court filing that had the women known about the nonprosecution agreement, “they would have taken steps to object” to the deal, perhaps appearing in person to appeal to the judge to reject it. The victims’ rights case, which began in 2008, is still pending. Mr. Edwards did not respond to an interview request on Thursday.

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Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:47 PM

69. Horrifying story.

And I agree — though many Deplorables would give Trump a pass for reasons enumerated in this thread, proof that he raped a child would turn some of them. And it would certainly influence a great many of the “Both sides are the same” types.


What we need is something to turn a few Republican U.S. Senators against Trump. If it’s heinous enough and obvious enough, this may do the trick.

It’s sickening that this is what it takes (if this actually is enough!). I really feel for these girls — now women — whose lives were ruined by this evil bastard Epstein and his associates and enablers.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:48 PM

70. The defense's use of the word prostitute made my blood boil.

Young girls aren't prostitutes, they are victims of sex trafficking.

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Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:55 PM

71. Filth, scum, slime. And fundies lap it up.

Humans are horrible.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:24 PM

74. Bring forth the truth

freaking republican perverts

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 04:33 PM

75. Where is his place in New Mexico?

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Fri Nov 30, 2018, 05:18 PM

80. I can't even, mom...and who cares what trumpians would think - not me, not now, not ever

———————JUSTICE FOR KATIE————-

and if Cohen had a hand in this atrocity, please drop that bombshell SOONER rather than LATER

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 06:09 PM

82. This is just mind blowing

I remember hearing that name a few years ago and names of notable that would go to his sex parties. I keep thinking the story I read talked about an island in the Caribbean. This story finally made the nightly news.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 06:13 PM

83. Rape. Culture. (n/t)

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 06:21 PM

85. There is nothing that Michael Cohen has

 

that Robert Mueller and SDNY also don't have.

So the bombshell is already equipped with a detonator and wires connecting to a switch Robert Mueller is holding.

My hunch is that Robert Mueller will indict the remaining people AND release the report simultaneously so that Cadet Spanky Bonespurs cannot deny the items one by one via tweets to his cult members who will believe them.

When the entire avalanche comes down the hill, he won't be able to type fast enough to tweet his way out.

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