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Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:35 PM

Trump's life expectancy and health

In looking up life expectancies for Social Security, for funsies I looked up Trump's. He was born in 1946 and is obese. The LE for male born in 1946 is about 73. Being morbidly obese would decrease that by maybe 8 years, I read. But let's say he wasn't this obese a few years ago. If you take off 5 for being obese, that's 68. He's 72. BUT, genetics being a strong influence, it matters that his father lived to 95 (that's very long for someone born in 1905), and his mother lived to 88 (again, longer lifespan than avg for someone born in 1912).

I just thought it was interesting. A President's health is of concern when they get past 70 years old. It was with Reagan. I think Trump is possibly diabetic. Remember that press statement he made not long ago where he slurred his words so much that people were suspecting he was on medication or something? Low blood sugar can cause you to slur your words. Coupled with his obesity, and the fact that he doesn't seem to eat a healthy diet, I think could mean he may be diabetic. (I don't think diabetes makes you sniff, though, the way he sniffs.) He does get activity through golfing, though.

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Reply Trump's life expectancy and health (Original post)
Honeycombe8 Nov 27 OP
HipChick Nov 27 #1
Polybius Nov 27 #2
BlueStater Nov 28 #9
Polybius Nov 28 #24
denbot Nov 28 #14
Polybius Nov 28 #23
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #15
FakeNoose Nov 28 #37
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #38
LiberalFighter Nov 28 #40
Pope George Ringo II Nov 28 #51
torius Nov 28 #53
Polybius Nov 28 #66
torius Nov 29 #70
GWC58 Nov 27 #3
Just a Weirdo Nov 28 #28
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #39
sandensea Nov 27 #4
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #41
sandensea Nov 28 #47
unitedwethrive Nov 27 #5
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #16
3catwoman3 Nov 28 #55
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #58
3catwoman3 Nov 28 #64
GoCubsGo Nov 27 #6
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #42
GoCubsGo Nov 28 #48
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #50
womanofthehills Nov 28 #68
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #52
NickB79 Nov 28 #63
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #65
Kitchari Nov 27 #7
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 28 #11
anarch Nov 28 #20
Just a Weirdo Nov 28 #29
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 28 #32
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #17
yortsed snacilbuper Nov 27 #8
redstateblues Nov 28 #10
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #18
getagrip_already Nov 28 #54
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #60
getagrip_already Nov 28 #61
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #62
Polybius Nov 28 #67
Honeycombe8 Nov 29 #69
Just a Weirdo Nov 28 #30
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 28 #33
Just a Weirdo Nov 28 #34
trackfan Nov 28 #12
DavidDvorkin Nov 28 #13
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #19
DavidDvorkin Nov 28 #25
TexasBushwhacker Nov 28 #43
cally Nov 28 #26
DavidDvorkin Nov 28 #31
cwydro Nov 28 #46
PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 28 #57
Vinca Nov 28 #21
Honeycombe8 Nov 28 #22
llmart Nov 28 #27
Totally Tunsie Nov 28 #35
Wintryjade Nov 28 #36
onenote Nov 28 #44
cwydro Nov 28 #45
bdamomma Nov 28 #49
getagrip_already Nov 28 #56
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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:04 PM

1. There has never been a authentic medical report..


The last one was obviously bogus...

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:16 PM

2. There are five keys to living long, in no order

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1) Genetics - He's got it
2) Diet - Nope!
3) Exercise - Doubt he exercises, but he does minor activities like golf and probably moves around a lot (at least 5,000 steps a day?)
4) Access to good healthcare - He's got the best there is
5) Luck - He seems not to have gotten any major diseases or had any bad accidents

So he's got three and a half out of five. He also seems to have good energy for his age. He campaigned non-stop to so many state the final months of Election 2016, which surprised me since I thought he was wasting his time. My conclusion is that he lives until his late 80's. He'd probably make late 90's is he was strictly into health food.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:09 AM

9. How much energy does it take to fly around in a plane and give long-winded speeches?

Of course he enjoys campaigning. He gets to hear himself talk and we all know how much he loves the sound of his own voice. I do not count that and golfing as real physical activity at all, so no points in his favor there.

Also, I have to correct the OP. His father lived to be 93, not 95. And he wasn't exactly in the greatest of shape when he died either. He had apparently been suffering from Alzheimer's for at least a few years by that point.

Alzheimer's is hereditary and, even at this point, he doesn't exactly have the firmest grasp on reality. If his poor eating habits don't eventually do him in, he'll very likely end up like Reagan did in his final years.

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:17 AM

24. Not all that much

Campaigning takes a bit, and he does seem to like it. He may indeed get Alzheimer's, if he hasn't already. We'll see. I'm sticking with late 80's, but Reagan lived until 93 in 2004. He was sick for at least 12-16 years or more, so his last years were not good at all.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:05 AM

14. Bawh-haw-ha, energy, sure, riding in planes and golf carts really gets that cardio going..

Thanks for playing, Jonny tell him what heís won!

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Response to denbot (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:11 AM

23. Just because I said he had energy doesn't mean I like him

I can't stand the guy, I apologize if I offended anyone.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:37 AM

15. Plus, when yu are born. Someone born 10 yrs ago has longer LE than someone born 80 yrs ago.

Even with all else being equal.

As for his father, his father was slim. Being morbidly obese is a YUGE factor in LE. There's a reason we don't see elderly morbidly obese people. They tend to die much younger.

If he's diabetic, which I suspect he is, that also shortens the lifespan.

He can't walk very far. Remember when he was in an electric chair to tour some place in Europe, along with many other world leaders? The other leaders all walked. He rode in an electric chair. And although he golfs, he rides in the golf cart.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:19 PM

37. Cheeto prefers the golfcart to walking

... but he says it's by choice not necessity. His explanation (that I read somewhere) is that everyone only has so much energy per day, so why should he waste his walking if he can ride a golfcart? I know it's infantile and self-serving, but it seems that he could walk a ways if he had to. Also when you walk you're expected to talk and be pleasant to people, and that's definitely against his nature.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:44 PM

38. Everyone is supposed to walk 10k steps/day, regardless of age. An old George Carlin joke:

George Carlin joked once that he operates under the theory that he has only so many steps in his lifetime, so he tries not to use 'em up.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:53 PM

40. I would argue that access to good healthcare is only an advantage when it is used.

I doubt he does.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:10 PM

51. It also helps to actually do what your doctors tell you to.

Nobody can tell him what to do, though.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:20 PM

53. Doubt he walks 5,000 steps a day

Just sitting in the White House, I know it,s big but I doubt the Prez has to walk a lot. Outdoors he takes limos and golf carts, stands only to swing at a ball. On trips he gets limoed around or stays in his room watching Fox and Fiends.

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Response to torius (Reply #53)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 10:08 PM

66. 5,000 isn't really a lot

I average twice that at my job. Walking six blocks back and fourth is a large part of that though.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 01:14 AM

70. It's about a mile and a half.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:17 PM

3. People like

Trump ARE the ones who seem to live forever. How old was Fred Trump when keeled over? ☠️

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Response to GWC58 (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 11:25 AM

28. 93 but from what I understand, had Alzheimer's

So I'm expecting an Alzheimer's diagnosis and a "sudden" resignation. Let's make sure Pence has a fatal disease that'll make him die the minute he's President.

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Response to GWC58 (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:52 PM

39. His father lived to 94. BUT Fred was thin. Donald is morbidly obese.

That makes a big difference. There's a reason you don't see many morbidly obese old people around. They don't live that long, usually. Trump used to not be that overweight, so maybe he hasn't been this obese for that long.

Morbidly obese people often (usually?) get what's called Metabolic Syndrome. The obesity causes a trifecta of conditions: diabetes, high cholesterol or triglycerides, high blood pressure. Trump probably has this syndrome. It's hard for a 70+ year old morbidly obese man not to get that syndrome. He's not just overweight or obese. He's morbidly obese (over a certain % of overfat). That's dangerous at his age, regardless of genetics.

This is one of the issues with electing people past a certain age, unless they are in excellent health. Even if they are, the body breaks down with age. Nothing we can do about it. Reagan was very healthy but got Alzheimer's while he was President.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:19 PM

4. I for one hope that fat bastard can hold on long enough to go down in defeat in 2020.

Little good would it do us, I think, to have him croak in office and leave us with Dense Pence.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:53 PM

41. Michael Moore said that if Trump is around in 2020 & loses the election, he still won't leave.

He said he thinks Trump will stay in the W.H., claiming he is hte President and won the election, but it was rigged.

Moore could be right.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 02:13 PM

47. I wouldn't be surprised

Of course though, the thought of seeing Cheeto dragged out of the White House kicking and screaming on 1/20/21 by two burly Secret Service agents tickles my funny bone to say the least.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:22 PM

5. If Cheney is still alive without a heart, I'm convinced that only the good die young.

Mushroom Dick will likely live to 100...hopefully in prison.

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Response to unitedwethrive (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:38 AM

16. And Cheney had heart surgery years ago. Go figure. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:26 PM

55. I remember hoping that Cheney's donor heart had not...

...come from a Democrat.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:20 PM

58. LOL. That never occurred to me.

I'm not going to say what I thought. Nope. I'm so bad.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:56 PM

64. First thought I had when I heard about that bastard's...

...transplant - what a waste of a good organ if it came from a Democrat.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:23 PM

6. Two words: Dick Cheney.

He's 77. He has had multiple heart attacks. He is alive and kicking, and walking around with someone else's heart beating in his chest. Trump may be a ticking time bomb, but a lot of other nasty, dirty fucks always seem to surpass their expectancy. He probably will, too.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:56 PM

42. Cheney isn't morbidly obese. That's a game changer.

Aretha Franklin was morbidly obese and lived to 76, which is a normal LE for women, I think. But that's unusual, I think. Look around and yu'll notice that are almost no morbidly obese people past a certain age.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 02:25 PM

48. Cheney was obese prior to his transplant.

My father was about the same size as Trump. He lived to be 81, as did his mother, who was obese and diabetic. His brother made it to 85, as an obese diabetic. Go to the grocery store on Senior Discount Day. You'll see lots of 'em. They're more common than you think.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:02 PM

50. There are exceptions. Nothing is 100%. But the fact is what I stated.

Fact. Told to us by experts. Those experts get that information from facts. They base their information on the exception. They base it on what is generally or usually the case. They can even tell you how many years obesity cuts off your lifespan.

What it does not tell us is what your lifespan w/o obesity is, because you have to factor in a lot of other things. Have you ever smoked, how long did you smoke, did you or do you drink alcohol, how active is your lifestyle, do you sleep well or have apnea, etc.

All those things go into determining your LE. But all things being equal, morbid obesity cuts 8 years off a lifespan.

Trump's lifespan would probably be more than 72, if you took into account his genetics. Let's say it's 94, like his father. So all things being equal, his LE would then be 86 (8 years sooner than 94).

Maybe your parents would have lived 8 years longer without their morbid obesity. You don't know.

Morbidly obese seniors are not common. I live in a state with a high obesity rate. I don't think I've seen one senior here who is morbidly obese. I have seen a very few who are just obese.

The facts I stated are from the Mayo Clinic and other expert sources. There are ALWAYS anecdotes for the exception to the rule.

My morbidly obese mother died at 68 (about 6 years less than it would normally have been). As did her father, who was smaller than Trump, but still technically obese (died at 68). That does not mean that all morbidly obese women die at 68, or live as long as 68.



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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 10:14 PM

68. You need to factor in environmental toxins

All the chemicals and pesticides that are in his McDonald's hamburgers and diet Pepsi's.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:17 PM

52. No, Cheney wasn't obese before his transplant.

He was always a bit chunky, but never obese that I saw. His physique is kind of thick.

Cheney 1970s


Cheney 1989-90 era


Cheney 1990



He seemed to gain weight AFTER his heart surgery. But never morbidly obese. Trump is easily 100 lbs overfat, looks like. That is morbidly obese.

There is a difference between overfat, obese, and morbidly obese.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #52)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:55 PM

63. A lot of that weight gain was water retention due to meds he was on.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #63)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:58 PM

65. Dat's a lot of water! LOL. But thanks. I didn't know about those meds. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:49 PM

7. He must NOT

Must NOT die in office--No state funeral for him! No honors, no media coverage. I hope he slips away in obscurity, in exile or in jail

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Response to Kitchari (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:31 AM

11. Jesus. I never thought of that.

When that fucker does die we are going to have to put up with 4 or 5 days of nonstop state funeral coverage.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:41 AM

20. yes, but also people will be dancing jubilantly in the streets

so it's a trade-off.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 11:26 AM

29. No media except Fux will air that shit.

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Response to Just a Weirdo (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 11:40 AM

32. I disagree.

EVERYONE will turn it in to ďa somber occasionĒ and re-normalize the asshole. The same thing they did after he won the nomination. Mark my words. And hopefully Iíll be proven right sooner than later. Nyuk nyuk.

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Response to Kitchari (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:39 AM

17. Yikes! nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:59 PM

8. I don't think his elevator is going all the way,

up?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:10 AM

10. The sniffing is due to his cocaine addiction

Takes one (former one)to know one

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:40 AM

18. I really do think he has avoided all booze and drugs in his life. Because of his brother. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:24 PM

54. that story comes from trump... it's probably a lie

I wouldn't be surprised to find out he killed his brother to get control of daddies money. He had a LOT of debt and was close to losing everything. Mom probably liked his brother more, which would have enraged him.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #54)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:22 PM

60. Well, no. There's a death certificate and it was public knowledge.

I have noticed the internet has been wiped clean, it seems, of the references to him about what really happened. I read once that his brother was an alcoholic and had committed suicide. Now there's just the alcoholism-related references with no mention of suicide. So, I don't know.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #60)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:49 PM

61. I didn't say his death was a lie....

I said that the version of it told by tiny is a lie. I doubt that alcoholism is an enemy of trump. He is too selfish to give a shit about anyone else, including his brother.

He could have killed him and used the drinking as a ruse. We don't even know he doesn't drink.

You know he has been fine with it as long as it delivered girls to him.

NOTHING he says is true. NOTHING.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #61)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:52 PM

62. Death certificates list cause of death. I think it says alcoholism related. I think I read that.

I didn't get that information from Trump.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 10:14 PM

67. That's another big health benefit that I forgot

Look at Mitt Romney, he may be ugly on the inside, but by not drinking or smoking he has aged really well. He's 71.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #67)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 12:55 AM

69. Wow. I forgot he's about Trump's age. Hard to believe!

Not drinking or smoking didn't help Trump much on the outside. Maybe his weight and lack of activity counters that. Romney is also slender and seems fit, like he exercises. I bet he exercises and does active things with his family. Wow. But then I think about those magic underwear he wears, and the appeal goes away.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 11:28 AM

30. Not coke. He's a speed freak

He never touched coke, but he imbibes cheap speed like crazy.

https://gawker.com/rumor-doctor-prescribes-donald-trump-cheap-speed-1782901680

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Response to Just a Weirdo (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 11:42 AM

33. Lol. From your link.




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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:25 PM

34. Gawker was the best...

Fuck Hogan. Repeatedly.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:41 AM

12. S.O.B.s like him seem to go on and on. n/t

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 12:54 AM

13. 73 is the life expectancy at birth

It goes up as the person passes through various stages where the death rate is high. If a man of that generation lives to 70, his life expectancy is much more than three years.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:41 AM

19. I never heard that.

I was just going by the Social Security life expectancy charts.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 10:49 AM

25. Look at this Social Security table

It lists number of years remaining at various ages:

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:57 PM

43. Yes. At a current age of 72

Trump, on average, can expect to live 15 more years.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 10:53 AM

26. Thank you. This mistake is made all the time

Itís become an issue of mine. BTW, when we talk about life expectancy being low in earlier times, it is often because of deaths in childhood. People lived longer lives once past childhood.

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Response to cally (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 11:31 AM

31. Yes, even in the Middle Ages, many lived to be very old

It's a common misconception that everyone was old by 30 and dead by 40, or something of that sort.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 02:08 PM

46. Yes, exactly.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:58 PM

57. Thank you David.

I constantly have to explain to people the difference between life expectancy at birth and what it is some years later. I'm especially driven crazy when people think that just because life expectancy some time in the past was 30, they think that means people aged very quickly and died of old age at 35.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:50 AM

21. Don's golfing activity amounts to climbing in and out of the cart.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 07:59 AM

22. Yeah. He doesn't (can't?) walk far.

Remember when in Europe he toured some big place with other world leaders; they all walked, but Trump rode around in the bldg in an automated chair like you see in stores these days.

I don't think he can walk very far.

My father is in his mid-80s and still tends his half acre yard himself. There's no reason someone much younger, like Trump, couldn't walk a distance, if healthy.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 11:06 AM

27. At 70...

I walk four miles every day, all year long, all sorts of weather, at a nearby park. I also bike occasionally about 10 - 15 miles, but only in good weather. Two years ago I took a spin class for an entire year.

I doubt this lardass could even get up on a bike.

By the way, I do believe that narcissists live longer because they don't have the stress of caring about people other than themselves. Plus, the really rich never have the stress of worrying about how to pay the bills.

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Response to llmart (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:01 PM

35. So agreed on your last point.

Narcissists spew their anger and toxins out at the world, thus cleansing themselves of these life robbers. No one in their path is safe, but that is not their concern.

The rest, those who try to be good people and welcomed citizenry, stifle their ill feelings inside themselves, creating a personal pressure cooker atmosphere. Their toxins remain internalized and slowly poison their system, leading to health difficulties and personal strife.

My theory at least offers a reason for the admonition "Only the good die young".

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:12 PM

36. Being rich increases, so that needs to be factored in. Big difference between having money

 

to be gentle on body for a lifetime and receive medical care and having to use body to earn money, going pay check to pay check and living in stress, without medical care available.

Just seems the rich live forever.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 02:03 PM

44. Life expectancy charts are often misunderstood and misused

As others have pointed out, life expectancy at birth is different than life expectancy at later stages of life. I haven't checked it out, but someone who is 72 in 2018 probably has a life expectancy that takes them into their mid-80s (depending on various factors).

Moreover, the tables are not meant to be applied to an individual. For example, in 2009, the life expectancy of someone who was 80 was around eight more years. But that doesn't mean that everyone who was 80 in 2009 should now be dead because its more than 8 years.

In my experience, and I have no research to back this up, genetic disposition to longevity is more important than a lot of other factors. My grandmother, for example, was diabetic, had suffered a crippling car accident in her 70s and still lived well into her 90s -- as did almost every one of her 9 siblings and both of her children, despite their having heart and COPD issues, among other things.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 02:05 PM

45. Yeah, but cockroaches and rats live forever.

Ugh.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 02:51 PM

49. well maybe

if he enters a church he will be struck down, you never see him in a church.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #49)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:28 PM

56. or a war zone.......

Though I'm sure he spent many hours in boston's combat zone, or the ny 42nd street of his day.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:20 PM

59. I predict Trump will die someday, but not until after he has left office.

So what difference does it make then?
Post-Trump, DU will need to find something else to obsess about.

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