Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists

[Hassin Bin Sober]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/hillary-clinton-europe-must-curb-immigration-stop-populists-trump-brexit

Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists
Europe and centre left everywhere need tougher approach to phenomenon that fuelled Trump and Brexit, says Clinton

Europe must get a handle on immigration to combat a growing threat from rightwing populists, Hillary Clinton has said, calling on the continent’s leaders to send out a stronger signal showing they are “not going to be able to continue provide refuge and support”

In an interview with the Guardian, the former Democratic presidential candidate praised the generosity shown by the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, but suggested immigration was inflaming voters and contributed to the election of Donald Trump and Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

“I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration because that is what lit the flame,” Clinton said, speaking as part of a series of interviews with senior centrist political figures about the rise of populists, particularly on the right, in Europe and the Americas.

“I admire the very generous and compassionate approaches that were taken particularly by leaders like Angela Merkel, but I think it is fair to say Europe has done its part, and must send a very clear message – ‘we are not going to be able to continue provide refuge and support’ – because if we don’t deal with the migration issue it will continue to roil the body politic.”

[BootinUp]

1. Sometimes there are no good choices. Nt

[malaise]

2. The reason for most of the refugees n Europe is Western bombing of their

homelands or bombing by Western allies. Surely Hillary knows that particularly in relation to Libya.

[shadowmayor]

11. Glad you posted this

The refugees pouring out of Syria, Iraq, and Libya are all due to our efforts to control those countries through bombings, over-throws, and interference. To have a US leader tell Europe to stop accepting refugees who we created is hard to fathom. Sometimes I think we Americans truly have no idea of the horrors, the deaths, and the miseries we have unleashed across the globe.

[Wellstone ruled]

16. Let's add a real common

denominator. Climate Change and over population in the Middle East.

A very famous statement by the late Senator Hubert Humphrey was this."Empty Bellies equals Empty Heads",think about it.

[malaise]

17. Add neo-liberalism imposed by the West

Add the fact that Islam does not tolerate usury which is orgasmic to western financial institutions.

[Wellstone ruled]

18. This whole

nightmare started with the Bribery of the Saudi's in order to pump their Oil after WW2.

[malaise]

20. Thank the Brits for that

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Don't forget the overthrow of democracy in Iran for the puppet Shah.

[Wellstone ruled]

21. American memories

are a daily event where as the Old World Memories last for Centuries. As a friend who worked for Standard Oil after College said,we will run the Middle East we control it. How that statement stayed with me through the decades.

[malaise]

23. Yep oil still rules

That and land theft

[suffragette]

28. Yep, boomerang effect of colonialism and greed.

[dalton99a]

3. .

[dsc]

5. while it is true that here immigration is not a real issue

that isn't true in Europe. In Europe there has been a huge increase in immigration in recent years and it has lead to massive problems in some countries.

[marylandblue]

6. It's an issue for many on the right, and accounts for the rise of Trump

And it's not just about the number entering and caught, it's about the illegal immigrants already here.

[marylandblue]

4. I think she is correct, and I think the US has the same problem

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IMO, The first Democratic candidate who comes up with comprehensive immigration reform that is both humane and effectively curbs illegal immigration will be the next President.

[libdem4life]

7. This.....there is a happy medium. Not what many want to tackle, seems...who wants to risk it?

Still...the Catch22...we cannot continue our life style without immigrants. California, as an example, the Central Valley where 25% of US food comes from, Northern California, the grapes huge agricultural contributions...they all run on immigrants...legal or illegal...and the small pittance and lack of benefits they will work for.

Pretty sure it's likely the same for manufacturing and other industries...I'm just familiar with CA...circa Cesar Chavez and the United Farm Workers.

My son still lives in Northern, and said the College is often shut down, the buses don't run, yet many of the farm workers are still out there...can't lose those corporate profits.

But these issues are way to complex for The Cretin, thus so for his fawning Republican Congress. Tax cuts waning, stock market slowing, consumer prices going up...the frogs in the proverbial water will heat up and jump out at some time.

https://ufw.org/

[realmirage]

8. She is absolutely right

Democrats need to shake this perception that we are for open borders. Obviously you can’t just let hordes of people into the country without some kind of responsible process..

Migrants have transformed large areas of Europe very quickly and it is understandable that people want a more organized system that doesn’t have such sudden impact on neighborhoods and economies.

You can’t hate on migrants either. There must be a balance and I know most democrats understand that already but we are losing the war of perception on this issue.

[Adsos Letter]

10. "Democrats need to shake this perception that we are for open borders."

I agree. And our policy statements need to make that plain. The Right has been allowed to characterize our goals as "open borders." We need to loudly correct this misperception.

[Initech]

13. Exactly, fight stupid or stupid thinks it's right.

[Raine]

33. Exactly ... I totally agree nt

[dlk]

9. Climate Change and Wars are Causing the Enormous Migration

Pressure must be put on leaders in the regions where the migrants initially come from to work toward solutions. This is a global crisis and global solutions are called for. As climate change continues, the situation will only intensify.

[Raven123]

12. Perhaps she had a point

However given the role of the USA in creating the Middle East mess, I squirm a bit when we offer advice to Europe on handling some of the consequences. I realize this is a complicated issue and I don't pretend to grasp all of the issues in play. I'm just uncomfortable having witnessed our actions post 9/11

[Garrett78]

14. Anti-racism education, addressing climate change and addressing poverty are key.

Giving into ignorance and irrational fear is not the answer.

[OnDoutside]

15. As a European, I have some misgivings about this. Are we not then giving into RWNJs ? I accept

that the EU need to face this issue head on, in that Hillary is 100% right. I would like to see an EU Coastguard created as there is no coordinated protection all along coastline from Greece to the Baltic (not the Balkans ). We are a long way off from an EU army though.

[GulfCoast66]

19. I was not going to post anything, but since you live in Europe...

Perhaps you can provide some clarification/insight.

I am fortunate enough to travel to Europe almost yearly. We rent apartments and try to stay in the same place at least 5-6 nights to get a real feel for the place. This allows me to pick and hang out the same bar for several days at a time. And I speak a little French.

Anyway, from my limited conversation about the issue I found no one who begrudge true refugees of war. What the people I heard speaking about with concern is the fact or impressions that those are a vast minority of the recent immigrants. The feeling is that it is all the economic immigrants, mainly young men from countries we are not bombing, that are causing most of the push back.

Would you find my conclusion incorrect?

Thanks for posting.

[OnDoutside]

24. I like your travel plans, it's a great way to take a visit in. As regards the immigrants, it's a bit

more complicated. I think most accept that those coming from Syria are war refugees, and anyone coming from North Africa, are economic migrants. The truth is that it's a bit of both, for both. I've seen Pakistani/Afghani migrants being interviewed, with the Syrian refugee column, while yes a lot of the immigrants from North Africa, are sub Saharan looking for a better life.

Overall though, the issue is that those at the EU frontier (Spain, Italy, Greece etc) have borne the brunt of immigration, and all of these countries are currently economically screwed. So you have financially overstretched governments, struggling to cope with their own unemployment & homelessness issues, now being landed with all this immigration. A lot of immigrants use these countries as passing through countries, but many stay.

While Hillary does make sense, the solution is to sort out the Syrian war, and the mess in Libya, but for all the thoughts of Europe being able to stand up, and stand up asap, it still requires the USA to sort itself out asap, and resume it's position of Leader of the Free World. i.e. nothing is going to happen anytime soon.

[GulfCoast66]

25. Thank you.

After a few trips of moving every 2-3 night we realized we were seeing lots of stuff. But learning little about the people and culture.

Have a nice evening.

[OnDoutside]

26. You too !

[mcar]

22. ...

Link to tweet

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Tom Watson
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@tomwatson
Folks, in you're in the first wave of outrage at something @HillaryClinton said in a news story - where the full context is not yet available - you may be doing this wrong. Also, have you not lived through the last three years? Wait a while. She's not a xenophobe

[OnDoutside]

27. There was a good tweet in this thread

Link to tweet

[RelativelyJones]

29. She is right.

[gulliver]

30. "And the migration is Dubya's fault," she should have added.

Dubya stampeded the country into Iraq (beginning the process in an election year and using it for political purposes I might add). He broke Iraq, creating ISIS, and handed Iran a windfall of influence and power.

[Devil Child]

31. I admire her for taking this stand. Clinton is correct in her assesment n/t

[Voltaire2]

32. Perhaps they should build a wall?

I don’t think adopting right wing policies is the best way to combat right wing extremism. I could be wrong of course.