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Sat Nov 17, 2018, 07:44 PM

RECENT, 11/17/18: CNN Video Clips of California Fires

Video, showing California wildfires:


Fire Officials Denounce Trump's Tweets Threatening to Cut Funding for California Wildfires

Donald Trump had a lot to say about California’s forest management in the wake of the states’ deadly wildfires — and many officials are saying the president got it completely wrong.

“There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor,” Trump tweeted on Saturday. “Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!”

The following day he added, “With proper Forest Management, we can stop the devastation constantly going on in California. Get Smart!”

Speaking out against the threat, California Professional Firefighters President Brian Rice said that the president had gotten it “dangerously wrong.”

Pointing out that the state of California should hardly be blamed when the majority of forests are not under their control, he added, “it is is the federal government that has chosen to divert resources away from forest management, not California.”
https://people.com/politics/fire-officials-denounce-trump-tweets-california-wildfires/


"If" the Mueller Investigation fails to destroy any chance of Trump being reelected, California voters, celebrities and firefighters will!

On edit at 4:36 PM MTZ on 11/17/18
I wonder if this OP Title works better:
RECENT CNN Video Clips of California Fires

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Response to Jeffersons Ghost (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:43 PM

1. This fire is only half extinguished! Trump is about to visit California acting presidential...

Rain, next week is expected to cause landslides and more ecological and property damage, according to Albuquerque, NM TV

This information was first posted California voters will BURN Trump, IF he is allowed to run for reelection!
Jeffersons Ghost at 11:38 AM by 5:33 PM MTZ, this nearly nearly identical Op had only 590 views.
I'm doing a headline experiment, on mostly unreported - at DU General Discussion - as major news.

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Response to Jeffersons Ghost (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:20 AM

9. This fire is half contained, not half extinguished

There is tons of unburnt material within the perimeter of the 233 square miles fire that will continue to burn for a long time (weeks) until the rains come and knock it down.

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Response to Jeffersons Ghost (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 08:49 PM

2. As an ex-Californian, I'm pretty sure they won't

be voting for anyone who expects them to rake the state, or leaf-blow it.

My sister lives fairly near Paradise in those Sierra Nevada foothills as birds fly, long drive by car. For years she's been required to keep her ground cleared and the forest trees limbed up to I think 15 feet to remove fire "ladders" from ground fires to the canopy. Various plants that burn too fast and hot are forbidden.

Trump assumes the big problem is forest fires, and an exasperated fire official pointed out that most of the megafires aren't forest fires but in other ecosystems. I wish I remembered the terms used, but certainly shrublands and grasslands. Reminds me of a book I read long ago that described the deadly threat to early farmers of wildfire on the prairie. And of course our cities are full of fuel.

Our homeowners' insurance is going to change, but being able to insure is very important to society. Companies are not allowed by law to insure more than a certain percent in an area to protect insureds from company bankruptcy. Those laws and all actuarial numbers are going to change, and prices. As extreme climate change effects advance, what will this do to the idea of home ownership?

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:35 PM

3. We call them prairies, in New Mexico; and Climate Change with slight catalysts causes them here too.

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Response to Jeffersons Ghost (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 09:45 PM

4. Of course, guess you would. Prairie, huh?

I love the desert, which is how I think of NM, high mountain elevations excepted of course.

The SE has had a few warnings of the future also.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 12:41 AM

7. Climate Change causes forest fires and smoke increase greenhouse effects & insurance rates.

On a future edit I plan to add more to this, when I'm not drinking.

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Response to Jeffersons Ghost (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:00 AM

8. :) Wise man. I've woke up and found

"I said that, huh?"

As for insurance rates, perhaps after congress's response to the warning President Johnson issued in 1965 was to protect coal and petroleum magnates, President Carter's report to the people should have been that their insurance rates were going to go through the roof -- if they had one.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:00 PM

5. I think those other ecosystems you're thinking of are chaparral: bushy, scrubby, dry, resinous...

...and evolved to burn lke hell given drought (which we've had years of and no end in sight) and high winds. The wind comes over the foothills as sundowners, heating up as it flows down, or roars through the passes and canyons as Santa Anas. Either way high wind further dries an already dry landscape, and a spark can set off a conflagration that rages for miles.

Chaparral is ubuquitous in plains and foothills, and home to a lot of wildlife adapted to the landscape.

The fire chief also referred to the urban-wildland interface, which is where human population either abuts or infiltrates wildlands, sometimes with scant roadways in and out. Those places are beautiful and peaceful, far from the big city. In the Los Angeles region, canyons like Malibu are known for gorgeous estates near to the city, yet not in it. In Paradise, which I never heard of before it was scoured off the map, 26,000 people found an affordable bit of this dream. My heart goes out to all of them.

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