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Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:12 PM

Andrew Gillum Unconcedes As Florida Governor Race Heads For Recount

Florida Democratic gubernatorial candidate Andrew Gillum has walked back his concession of defeat as more ballots are left to be counted.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/11/08/andrew-gillum-unconcedes-as-florida-governor-race-heads-for-recount.html

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Reply Andrew Gillum Unconcedes As Florida Governor Race Heads For Recount (Original post)
peace frog Nov 8 OP
hlthe2b Nov 8 #1
manor321 Nov 8 #2
diva77 Nov 8 #4
Sam3 Nov 9 #58
rzemanfl Nov 9 #60
Thrill Nov 8 #3
obamanut2012 Nov 8 #6
California_Republic Nov 8 #17
Pacifist Patriot Nov 8 #44
AlexSFCA Nov 9 #57
dalton99a Nov 8 #5
quakerboy Nov 8 #7
Ferrets are Cool Nov 8 #14
California_Republic Nov 8 #18
forgotmylogin Nov 8 #16
LisaL Nov 8 #20
quakerboy Nov 9 #50
The Mouth Nov 9 #59
quakerboy Nov 10 #61
LisaL Nov 8 #19
onethatcares Nov 8 #8
Bfd Nov 8 #9
spanone Nov 8 #10
ffr Nov 8 #11
Awsi Dooger Nov 10 #63
vdogg Nov 8 #12
Kind of Blue Nov 8 #25
Cha Nov 8 #36
Kind of Blue Nov 8 #45
Cha Nov 8 #49
Cha Nov 8 #35
Equinox Moon Nov 8 #13
LisaL Nov 8 #23
Amaryllis Nov 8 #40
LisaL Nov 8 #41
Amaryllis Nov 8 #43
Honeycombe8 Nov 8 #15
BlancheSplanchnik Nov 8 #21
Cha Nov 8 #34
BlancheSplanchnik Nov 8 #48
Kind of Blue Nov 8 #22
LAS14 Nov 8 #24
jcgoldie Nov 8 #46
LAS14 Nov 8 #47
LAS14 Nov 10 #62
catbyte Nov 8 #26
Hekate Nov 8 #27
mcar Nov 8 #28
Cha Nov 8 #33
NutmegYankee Nov 8 #29
rzemanfl Nov 8 #32
LisaL Nov 8 #38
rzemanfl Nov 8 #39
LisaL Nov 8 #42
mtnsnake Nov 8 #30
Cha Nov 8 #31
samnsara Nov 8 #37
Wintryjade Nov 9 #51
democratisphere Nov 9 #52
True Blue American Nov 9 #53
LAS14 Nov 9 #54
Blue_true Nov 9 #55
YOHABLO Nov 9 #56

Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:13 PM

1. A hearty K&R!

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:15 PM

2. Sweet!

Now can we get Al Gore to unconcede the 2000 race?

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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:20 PM

4. First I laughed at your post, but actually, I think that's a great idea!

We have so many gaping wounds in recent US history as a result of what happened in 2000 election.

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Response to diva77 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:21 PM

58. ... and we inflicted harms that have changed the course of world history (nm)

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Response to Sam3 (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:48 PM

60. Enjoy your stay. n/t

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:18 PM

3. Why did he rush to concede anyway. Should have followed Nelson's lead

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Response to Thrill (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:39 PM

6. Agreed -- everyone at work Wednesday thought so, too

And, all were native Floridians who have seen a lot of elections down here.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:25 PM

17. I never see the hurry. Let the SoS count

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Response to Thrill (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:40 PM

44. He's gracious and had incomplete info.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:15 PM

57. no, he should not have rushed to concede

out of respect to his supporters and people who worked so hard on his campaign. Look what Abrams is doing in Georgia.

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:24 PM

5. Democrats should wait at least 48 hours before conceding. What's the rush?

Your supporters want to make sure their votes are counted. Pretty sure they can wait 48 hours for you to thank them

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:44 PM

7. I dont get the point of conceeding at all

Either you win or you lose. The result is in the votes that get counted, not in your own personal opinion of whether you did well enough or not, nor in whether you make a phone call or speach after the voting has stopped.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:06 PM

14. I'm with you on that

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:22 PM

16. I think it's a show of good sportsmanship.

Plus people want results, and there's always a party for both candidates, so a concession or an acceptance speech is expected at the end of the night.

I agree if the count is within 3% they should definitely hold off and give a Stacey Abrams "To be continued!" speech without conceding.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:34 PM

20. Yes, if the race is not close it would make sense.

But when it's so close one needs to wait.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:18 AM

50. Its not a game

Its one thing to acknowledge that your opponent seems to have gotten more votes this time, and stating that you give up.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:25 PM

59. It's not legally binding, anyway

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #59)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 01:59 AM

61. Yeah.. Which makes it kinda silly

Especially given how someone ends up rescinding it pretty much every election these days.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:34 PM

19. Especially in a close race.

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:54 PM

8. Yay, f......ing Yay

that concession stuck in my craw. Let's take it home.

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:55 PM

9. I just read this on twitter too. They were begging him not to concede when he did

Saying now the margins are so close, he still has a chance although he is still a small % behind.
He has to hang in there!

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:56 PM

10. K&R...

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:56 PM

11. So much for voters saying he was too liberal.

Being liberal is something to hold your head up proud about.

Being illiberal however, should be scorned.

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Response to ffr (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:36 PM

63. Liberalism is great but obviously not ideal if 46% say too liberal for Florida

We have to find some way to counteract that type of thing. Otherwise margin for error is gone. Huge difference between 37% saying DeSantis is too conservative and 46% believing Gillum was too liberal.

Republicans pushed the fear that Gillum was a socialist and Florida would turn into another Venezuela. It was rejected by Politico as false, and by anybody with a fleck of common sense as laughable, but apparently it was very effective among heavily Cuban districts of Miami, where Gillum lost 16 points compared to Hillary in 2016. That 16 points was more than enough to shift the statewide outcome.

This Miami Herald article from early September is now being spotlighted as very accurate toward what played out in those Cuban districts. In recent days I have seen references to this article all over the place on Miami sites, with some Miamians saying it was exactly what their friends were saying about Gillum and Venezuela.

Fear is reality in the Trump era:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article217956930.html

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:01 PM

12. Should've never concede in the first place.

Honestly, I'm disappointed that he gave up so quick. Abrams and Nelson never stopped fighting and Gillum just sort of rolled over. Not a good look. He needs to find his spine because there are much tougher battles ahead.

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Response to vdogg (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:43 PM

25. Though I was disappointed, I don't think it was a loss of spine but

good sportsmanship that I believe Dems are way too full of. I guess it's upbringing.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:44 PM

36. Yeah, that poster was way out of line talking

about Andrew Gillium needing "to find his "spine". There's got to be at least one dissing our Democratic candidates.

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Response to Cha (Reply #36)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:43 PM

45. I can imagine the type of threats he's had to deal with, Cha.

I can't blame him at all as I can't blame State Rep. Kiah Morris of Vermont who couldn't get protection for her family after racially motivated death threats, vandalism at her home and her grounds, as well as multiple home invasions.

I don't want any more martyrs and am filled with gratitude for those who really tried and still trying. It's just heartbreaking that some dems cannot understand the spine it takes.

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #45)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:41 PM

49. Exactly, Kind of Blue. Andrew Gillium

has more Courage than they'll ever know about.:candle

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Response to vdogg (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:42 PM

35. Oh Please. The facts on the ground changed and

he withdrew his concession. No need to talk about Andrew Gillum's lack of "spine".

He has more courage than you'll ever know about.

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:01 PM

13. I think Beto should do the same thing.

This is good news!

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:40 PM

23. Beto's race is nowhere near that close.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:54 PM

40. But what about the machines switching votes from Beto to Cruz the first day of early voting? Was

that ever corrected? I hope Beto had people on the ground checking out irregularities.

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:56 PM

41. You are never going to figure that out.

You can't recount a machine vote unless that machine has a paper print out.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:57 PM

43. Exactly. WHich is why we need to get rid of highly hackable voting macheines.

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:12 PM

15. Fingers crossed. nt

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:39 PM

21. Oh fingers crossed fingers crossed!

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:37 PM

34. Toes Too!

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Response to Cha (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:09 PM

48. Yes!!!!!

🤞🏾

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:40 PM

22. YAY, Dammit!

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:42 PM

24. 49.6 - 49.2 .4

I wondered why Gillum was showing as Lost in the NYT website when he was less than half a percent behind. Then somewhere I saw that the trigger in Florida was 1/4 percent. Does anyone have solid info?

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:46 PM

46. Not sure if this is the info you mean but...

1/4% is for a hand recount... 1/2% for a machine recount.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:56 PM

47. Thank you! That's exactly what I need. It looks like Gillum should be....

... scheduled for a machine count. Unless there's a rounding issue.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:46 PM

62. FINALLY!!! The NYT website has FL governor's map as pink.

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:46 PM

26. An enthusiastic K&R!

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:24 PM

27. YES!

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:31 PM

28. K&R

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Response to mcar (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:37 PM

33. NOT Over!

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:32 PM

29. With the voting irregularities being found, I feel he'll win on recount.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:35 PM

32. The agony of 2000 is still fresh in my mind. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:45 PM

38. Hanging chads and butterfly ballots.

Wasn't that fun?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:50 PM

39. The Republicans scared the Dems into not challenging military ballots.

That, to me, was the death knell for Gore.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:57 PM

42. The image of the guy who seemed to be blind as a bat looking at hanging chads is

stuck in my mind.

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:33 PM

30. Something tells me Andrew Gillum is one of the most popular Democrats on DU these days.

Personally, I think he's the best thing going.

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:35 PM

31. Yes, Andrew Gillium has Withdrawn his

concession as facts changed on the ground.

Thank YOu, Andrew!

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:44 PM

37. what did he do? hollar KINGS X ?

...im so happy!!!!!

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:19 AM

51. Yea.

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:36 AM

52. We really have half assed voting systems in this mess of a country.

Really makes me wonder if every vote is ever counted?!

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:17 AM

53. Hard not to laugh

At Republicans complaining about,” Hords of Democratic Lawyers descending on Florida . “after the hords that descended on Fla. in the 2000 election,including Republican Congressmen.

Remember how they stormed the BOE?

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:23 AM

54. I've been waiting for the NYT to switch FL governor from red to pink, since...

... they've got Georgia as pink. But it hasn't happened. Is Gillum's switch not official?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-governor-elections.html

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:47 AM

55. Did he have a choice?

If, when all the vote are counted, he is ahead of DeSantis, what is he supposed to say "Give it to DeSantis because I conceded on incomplete information"?

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Response to peace frog (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:00 AM

56. It's Florida for god's sake. You know there some dark shite going on down there.

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