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Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:05 PM

Can Trump destroy American democracy?

Seems to me that he can. And he is well along the road to actually doing it.

He's owns the Senate.

The right wing Supreme Court may go along with him on ... everything.

He doesn't give a rat's ass about the Constitution.

He represents the idiocy of a minority. But he's holding the biggest lever of power.

The media, the "fourth branch of government," seems to be impotent.

We've won the House. But is it enough to put the brakes on the orange madman?

Sessions is out as AG. Will this end Mueller's investigation?

Fox "news," hate radio, lunatic online sites all peddle propaganda that many believe.

The vast majority of us are being castrated by a fascist, evil minority.

So let's go back to the headline. "Can Trump destroy American Democracy?"

Our "blue wave" became a blue ripple because of stolen votes in so many places.

So who or what is going to end the reign of the creature inhabiting the White house?

I hate to be negative after we won the House. But we're in deep shit.

We've won a battle. Evil is winning the war.


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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:07 PM

1. If his reign doesn't end soon, and ignominiously,

then yes.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:08 PM

2. No he cannot. You've got it backwards...this shitwad wins some battles but he ain't gonna win the

war. I promise you on that front !

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:11 PM

3. No, not by himself. But then, he's NOT by himself...

Republicans have been working toward that ever since conservatives took over their party.

At this point, no qualifiers. Yes, all of them.

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Response to JHB (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:12 PM

6. This

He wouldn't be a problem if the Republican party was not behind him 100%.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:11 PM

4. Only if we let him.

Election Day was a little taste of things to come.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:59 PM

16. What you said!!! n/t

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:11 PM

5. we captured the house, we picked up what, 37 seats? and we won 2/3rds of the senate races

the senate results only look disappointing because 6 years ago, the last time this class of senate seats was up for grabs, we won 3/4th of them as obama sailed to an easy re-election. still it's hard to complain about winning 2/3rds of the senate elections.


as for the media, "impotent" isn't the right word. "complicit" would be better.


i think we're fighting back, and i think donnie's days in power are numbered. we're halfway back to restoring normalcy, and then our top priority should be securing the right to vote and have those votes counted for all american citizens over the age of 18. the government should not have the power to take away the vote from anyone.

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Response to unblock (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:17 PM

8. 30 seats, per the NYT, so far.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:29 PM

12. Yeah, plus a few from the races not yet called. Maybe 37 is a stretch,

Still a good result -- and this despite gerrymandering and disenfranchisement and suppression and so on.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:14 PM

7. Concentration of Power and Evil Genius

We smartly concentrated our power in urban areas thinking to solidify them as blue, only to be out flanked by the white folk going rural and figuring out that the senate is where the power resides. The House don’t mean anything in the grand scheme. Senate is where the power resides
and we are screwed.

That stable genius is really a damn “evil” genius.

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Response to QuantaviousJackson (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:26 PM

10. Yep, the Senate is fucking us.

About 40 million people live in California and they have two senators.

A few dozen people live in Wyoming and they also have two senators.

It's virtually impossible to overcome this constitutional fuck up.

Do you suppose that the constitution actually is a suicide pact?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:20 PM

9. Depends on how he screws with the economy

I’m in cyber-punk mode right now, in the middle of re-reading “Snow Crash” , which no longer seems as much....fiction

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:28 PM

11. Yes he can, and the Republican party will happily help him.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:29 PM

13. Not anymore.

The Democratic majority in the House can and will thwart him. Plus they can investigate him or anything they want to.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:43 PM

14. Then again, what if he just ignores the House of Representatives?

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Who's going to stop him? Who's going to arrest him? Who's going to judge him guilty if he's impeached? We're holding two pairs and he's holding a royal flush. When you've got the cards, you can tell everyone to fuck off. And that's exactly what he's doing.

The power of the House is meaningless if it can't be enforced.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:56 PM

15. That applies to the executive branch as well...

"The power of the House is meaningless if it can't be enforced"

That applies to the executive branch as well... and Trump's empty pronouncements are not enforcement, they're simply empty pronouncements. He can tell anyone he wants to to "fuck off", but he can't make them or force them to fuck off.

The hysterics of saying he can and will do anything he wants to as as absurd as Trump himself saying he can do anything he wants to. Talk. Talk-talk-talk. Nothing more. Except for hysterics.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:40 PM

18. We'll have to cross that bridge when we get there

Obviously there is no precedence.

He can be ignored too by those he wants to order around.

Anything could happen, but I don’t think his base will ever have the power to implement his orders. He doesn’t have the military backing him in order to become dictator, so maybe he’ll get taken to the nut house.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:05 PM

17. That's what the party of Trump is about.

Its a fascist party. The American Fascist Party. And they are in fact out to destroy our democracy. Democracy must be destroyed for fascism to flourish. We won a critical battle this time in pushing back against their takeover objectives, to live another day, but we still have a long fight ahead of us. They aren't going away because of one election and the loss of one chamber of Congress. They are still holding too many hills, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the gerrymandered voting districts, Citizens United, ALEC, Fox News, etc. We need to hold our hill and chip away at taking some more of their hills. We are in the throws of an ideological war.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:14 PM

19. I felt that way until Tuesday.

I think we now have a better chance to fight. We still have a long road but I do not feel as much as doom and gloom.

We need to make sure that our first time voters vote again and not be complacent just because there was a lot of wins or just because their vote did not succeed the first time. The ones who voted and did not succeed the first time need to look at those who did win and try again because they should know now if you work at it you can eventually win.

We also need to keep on working on getting new young voters and I think some of the best to get those voters are the ones who voted the first time and got what they voted because they are proof that voting does make a difference.

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