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Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:23 AM

I Guess A Mass Shooting Isn't That Unique Anymore....

Usually with a mass shooting the networks would be covering it continuously with all sorts of reporters and reports. Today I woke up and read something about 12 or 13 people being killed - but have not been able to get much detail. I guess these shootings have become so commonplace these days that they aren't much news anymore.

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Reply I Guess A Mass Shooting Isn't That Unique Anymore.... (Original post)
global1 Nov 8 OP
Adrahil Nov 8 #1
brush Nov 8 #9
riversedge Nov 8 #2
dewsgirl Nov 8 #3
lostnfound Nov 8 #4
calimary Nov 8 #10
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 8 #16
polmaven Friday #31
aikoaiko Nov 8 #5
Stuart G Nov 8 #6
Guilded Lilly Nov 8 #7
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 8 #8
maxsolomon Nov 8 #11
iscooterliberally Nov 8 #14
bdamomma Nov 8 #12
MineralMan Nov 8 #13
Autumn Nov 8 #15
ailsagirl Nov 8 #17
PeeJ52 Nov 8 #18
Cha Friday #37
zanana1 Nov 8 #19
Richard D Nov 8 #20
Liberty Belle Friday #23
KY_EnviroGuy Friday #24
ramapo Nov 8 #21
Liberty Belle Friday #22
wellst0nev0ter Friday #42
KY_EnviroGuy Friday #25
RockRaven Friday #27
wryter2000 Friday #26
JI7 Friday #28
wryter2000 Friday #39
torius Friday #29
Blue_Tires Friday #35
torius Friday #40
Blue_Tires Friday #41
torius Sunday #43
Blue_Tires Monday #44
lunatica Friday #30
Amimnoch Friday #32
Nitram Friday #33
Coventina Friday #34
Blue_Tires Friday #36
eppur_se_muova Friday #38

Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:25 AM

1. It's not exactly a news poor week...

Democrats take the House... Trump fires sessions... lots to talk about.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:30 AM

9. And the WH press sec. tweets out a doctored video to accuse a reporter of assault.

There's so much going on this is not even being reported in the MSM.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:26 AM

2. just got about a minute on msnbc. Agree, they have become 'normalized"-

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:35 AM

3. Frogs in a pot of water is the first thing I thought of.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:37 AM

4. Wall-to-wall coverage is too much when there's 300 per year.

Might be more useful to have a once a week program summarizing the slaughter and highlighting congressmen opposing common sense gun control and individuals making money off of it

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:33 PM

10. 307 was the last figure I heard. Three-hundred-and-seven - just so far THIS YEAR.

I just looked it up. Last night was November 7th. Yesterday was the 311th day of the year, with 54 days left in this year. And last night we evidently had our three-hundred-and-seventh MASS SHOOTING. Just THIS YEAR.

And for all those "all we need is a GOOD guy with a gun" assholes out there - there WAS one of those. A police officer nearing retirement - who's now become another DEAD guy with a gun.

ENOUGH!!!

Had ENOUGH YET, America????

WHEN is ENOUGH ENOUGH, America?

HOW MANY MORE of our sweet children and loved ones have to die before Enough is ENOUGH, America?

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Response to calimary (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 03:09 PM

16. monday night I heard somebody with a bumpstock

It's not that unusual around here to hear gun shots. Monday night I heard somebody firing a weapon with a bumpstock. It's a slightly different sound than made by a full automatic, but it's definitely not a hunter's tool. There's no reason for civilians to own weapons of war.

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Response to calimary (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 05:47 AM

31. I heard that too...

Today is the 311th day of the year, and there have been 307 mass shootings. I am so very sad for the families and friends of the victims, and my concern for the future of our country is enormous!

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:39 AM

5. Apparently an AR15 wasn't involved so....


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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:41 AM

6. I guess you are correct...Very sad story..

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:46 AM

7. Only in America?...always in America. Horrifying. N/T

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:50 AM

8. I'm guessing much of it has to do with the timing -- there aren't very good visuals by now.

The victims have gone home, and investigators milling about isn't compelling.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:48 PM

11. You are wrong.

It happened very late on the West Coast, when most of America was fast asleep.

Now, at 2:45 pm EST, there's plenty of coverage.

Give the media a chance to do its job before you jump to conclusions.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:55 PM

14. I was up at 5am EST with CBS on.

I had the local CBS news on in Miami and the national CBS morning news broke into the local broadcast and was all over it this morning. I just read that many of the people that were in the bar were also present at the Las Vegas mass shooting. I can't imagine what they must be going through and I've seen people shot first hand.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/some-thousand-oaks-shooting-survivors-also-witnessed-las-vegas-massacre_us_5be43e88e4b0769d24ca27c8

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:49 PM

12. it is called

normalizing these killings or desensitizing people being killed. Please I am not including anyone in DU.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:53 PM

13. It was wall-to-wall coverage this morning.

It's still being covered. I can hear it on the TV upstairs right now.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:55 PM

15. They don't even rate thoughts and prayers on FB anymore.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 03:10 PM

17. It tears me apart to have to agree with you

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 04:25 PM

18. Just like the school shooting recently...

where the kids went back to classes after the mess was cleaned up. I'm seriously considering immigrating to Prince Edward Island...

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Response to PeeJ52 (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:54 AM

37. That's a beautiful

spot in the Universe. I've been there.. in 2005.. Motor trip to Nova Scotia and Cape Breton, too.. from New York.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 04:28 PM

19. Another day, another mass shooting. nt

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:13 PM

20. You can't normalize it when it hits home

The daughter of a friend was one of the killed. A sweet, kind, and gentle 21 year old who was out for a night of fun.

Noelle Sparks.

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Response to Richard D (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:46 AM

23. I am so sorry for your loss and for her family.

Wars with 5 and 6 deployments in a row are destroying our young veterans and those who become their victims. A lot of domestic violence cases involve combat vetearns who are not getting the help they need, with tragic consequences. Suicides among vets are several times the rate of the civilian population, too.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:28 AM

24. Most of our citizens and military are still under the delusion that.....

you can train our youth to kill, send them half way across the globe for an extended period killing strangers that have done you no harm, and then they can come home and be perfectly normal in open society overnight.

This has been a sickness in societies all over the world at least since recorded time began, and I see little being done to change that attitude.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:46 PM

21. Yup, no big deal

The politicians and lobbyists have succeeded at making mass shootings just a part of freedom in America. Pretty sick country

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:44 AM

22. List of shooting victims:

https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/11/08/these-are-the-victims-of-the-thousand-oaks-massacre/

So tragic. One had also been at the shooting in Las Vegas.

Another, a Sheriff deputy, was killed trying to save others.

This is my husband's home town, and tonight there is also a massive wildfire, the #HillFire, burning there. It has scorched 7,000 acres or so, shut down highway 101 in both directions, and authorities say it will burn all the way to the sea from Newbury Park near Thousand Oaks.

I fear some who lost a loved one on the shooting today may also lose their homes.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:26 PM

42. There you go, the shootings are so common

that people are being struck by lightning twice. So that's why the media treats it as dog bites man

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:36 AM

25. One KTLA announcer made a sobering statement today....

At the very beginning of his news presentation, he said (paraphrasing):

"We have had a mass shooting here last night that was the worst one in the U.S. in 12 DAYS".

.........

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:57 AM

27. Yeah, I heard one reporter mention it was the 8th mass shooting since the synagogue 11 days prior.

if you use the definition of 4 victims for "mass shooting"

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:38 AM

26. Actually...

Shooters might be less likely to do it if they don't get all the"glory" out of it.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:03 AM

28. but they have been getting less coverage and it's happening even more

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Response to JI7 (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:16 AM

39. We still have Trump

He may not explain the CA shooting, but he does the others.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:22 AM

29. Showing photos would spur outrage

They could blur out faces. It's horrific, but photos of violence can galvanize the public.

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Response to torius (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:45 AM

35. There was plenty of graphic bloody raw footage from Stoneman Douglas on social media

Did that change anything?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 05:20 PM

40. I'm not on social media much

So I didn't see any. Think of the napalm girl in Life magazine. And I remember gruesome Iraq War footage of a fire that caused a large percentage of the public suddenly to suddenly say they were opposed to the war based on that.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 11, 2018, 01:15 PM

43. thanks but

the idea is to force the publicís heads out of the sand. not many people are aware of live leak.

there was a short article on this general topic in the nyt today... it said what if we had to look at such photos, and that chances are that we wonít ever have to.

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Response to torius (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 12, 2018, 09:51 AM

44. Liveleak was the most convenient place to go

But back in the spring, these clips were shared/viewed tens of millions of times on Twitter and Facebook.

But the bottom line is you can't sensationalize people's deaths on the off chance that the next potential mass shooter will change his ways because he saw bullet-riddled bodies and faces on the front page of his local fishwrap... Besides, what happens when those images lose their shock value?

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:27 AM

30. I watched coverage of it for hours

I watched MSNBC and every show opened with the shooting news. I watched the police and FBI press conference and I watched quite a few interviews with survivors.

And on the Nichole Wallace show they talked about how their kids have regular shooter drills because of all the school shootings.

Nobody is taking these shootings for granted.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:23 AM

32. Yeah, seems like just about everything is becoming "numb".

I canít even imagine how big a story has to be now for it to stick for more than a week.

22 women charge a POTUS candidate of everything from sexual harassment to assault, one even being under age.. only has a shelf life until after the election.

Firing a FBI agent actively investingating you, as a president.. couple weeks shelf life.

Mass shootings, used to be a month, now down to the morning edition.

A president having senior campaign staff, personal lawyers, government appointees either fired, forced into resigning, indicted, or otherwise removed, good for a few days.

Letting a US territory languish and suffer for over a year after a horrendous natural disaster - a few weeks.

Supporting a Senate candidate with an exposed pattern of predatory behavior with high-school girls going back decades - just until election is over.

So many business conflicts of interest, and OBVIOUS violations of the emoluments clause - occaisonal opinion piece.

2 years of never ending shitstorms... yeah, I think itís making everyone kind of numb.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:39 AM

33. global, you may be right, but we just had a hotly contested mid-term election which is still

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in progress as ballots are still being counted. We also saw the president fire his AG and install a conspiracy theorist to oversee Mueller's investigation. The president banned a reporter from WH press briefings and has labeled the press "the enemy of the people." CNN is providing armed guards to protect some of their high profile reporters in response. Tens of thousands of californians have evacuated their homes due to a new fire. The shooting is still being covered on a daily basis as the police release information in dribs and drabs. it just isn't the only thing of note going on right now.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:44 AM

34. Once the US decided the mass slaughter of elementary school children

was less important than gun rights, it became just another story.

Nothing will change.

Guns are more important than people.

One of yesterday's victims was a 2nd amendment enthusiast.
So I guess he died happy....

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:48 AM

36. You know it's been normalized when you have a shooting at a high school

and the school doesn't even bother to close for the day, which is what happened in NC two weeks ago...

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:10 AM

38. Has 45 made *any* remark about the shooting ? Does he acknowledge it happened at all ? nt

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