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Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:22 PM

I just realized that Trump means me. He wants to strip my U.S. citizenship.

My father was Canadian and lived in the U.S. on a green card from the time he arrived in his twenties until his death at 59.

I was born to an immigrant parent.

Trump means me.

I feel sick.

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Reply I just realized that Trump means me. He wants to strip my U.S. citizenship. (Original post)
Grasswire2 Oct 2018 OP
Kajun Gal Oct 2018 #1
Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #4
seta1950 Oct 2018 #27
DemocracyMouse Nov 2018 #49
Blue_true Oct 2018 #5
Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #2
GeoWilliam750 Oct 2018 #17
irresistable Oct 2018 #3
lunasun Oct 2018 #6
Cha Oct 2018 #7
dewsgirl Oct 2018 #8
uppityperson Oct 2018 #14
Thekaspervote Oct 2018 #19
rickyhall Nov 2018 #46
samnsara Oct 2018 #9
Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #10
Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #12
mwooldri Oct 2018 #11
Leith Oct 2018 #13
MaryMagdaline Oct 2018 #15
GeoWilliam750 Oct 2018 #16
Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #18
paulkienitz Oct 2018 #25
Maraya1969 Oct 2018 #20
Cicada Oct 2018 #30
gopiscrap Oct 2018 #21
cannabis_flower Oct 2018 #29
gopiscrap Oct 2018 #32
Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #43
gopiscrap Oct 2018 #45
LittleGirl Oct 2018 #22
Nay Oct 2018 #23
marieo1 Oct 2018 #24
TwistOneUp Oct 2018 #26
Judi Lynn Oct 2018 #28
George II Oct 2018 #31
Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #34
George II Oct 2018 #36
Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #37
Brainstormy Oct 2018 #33
lambchopp59 Oct 2018 #35
Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #38
Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #39
lambchopp59 Nov 2018 #47
Raine Oct 2018 #40
FakeNoose Oct 2018 #41
George II Nov 2018 #50
reACTIONary Oct 2018 #42
Mr.Bill Oct 2018 #44
Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2018 #48
Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #51

Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:23 PM

1. He can't do it. Don't worry.

 

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Response to Kajun Gal (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:24 PM

4. I realize that, but just the threat is stunning.

Just stunning.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:22 PM

27. I agree

I agree itís stunning and scary

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Response to seta1950 (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 1, 2018, 06:20 AM

49. Actually it would remove Trump too...

His mother wasn't a USA citizen when he was born.

Case closed... Or maybe we should actually let the hyper-idiot remove himself from the country. Then when Warren or Beto remove the presidential order, everyone can move back in. Trump's own terrorist blockades would keep him out.

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Response to Kajun Gal (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:25 PM

5. I remember telling a worried immigrant that there was no way Trump would become President.

We can't assume, we must vote in every election and push other people to vote.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:23 PM

2. It's a ploy to rile up his base...

don't worry too much. It is going nowhere.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:52 PM

17. I am rather hoping that it backfires

And causes Hispanics to vote solidly Democrat, and in huge numbers.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:24 PM

3. I do believe that he is thinking retroactively....especially on the southern border.

 

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:25 PM

6. Just red meat right before election thrown out to haters and media imo

But I understand your fear

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:26 PM

7. trump Fraud is Full of Shite.

I can see why you would feel sick, though.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:26 PM

8. He is also talking about 4 out of 5 of his own

children.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:43 PM

14. And himself. His mother wasn't a USA citizen when he was born.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 01:16 AM

19. And ivana was not a US citizen when his 3 turds were born!!

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 1, 2018, 01:46 AM

46. Trump has 4 "anchor babies", oh, but they're white, right.

I guess that's all right as long as they're white, huh.

Sorry racist POS.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:29 PM

9. besides applying for citizenship..the ONLY way you can become an American...

...is to be BORN here. We arent Europe.. we have no blood lineage to America.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:30 PM

10. I was born here.

Have lived here all my life.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:37 PM

12. Please, Grasswire, don't let his bellicose ramblings get to you.

My grandparents were naturalized citizens - OTB from Great Britain. My parents were born here; Daddy's gone, but Mum is in her 80s. She asked me if I thought he could deport her. We don't have any family over there anymore, as they all moved to the States and Canada after the war. I told her: Over my rotting corpse.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:33 PM

11. Uhhh... Or be born to American parents.

Ted Cruz was born in Canada. American mother, Cuban father. Theoretically he could be a Cuban-Canadian-American. However, he is a natural born citizen under US law.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:41 PM

13. The Same "Rule" Applies to Him, Too

His own mother was born in Scotland - and English was not her first language.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:45 PM

15. Me, too. Dad was a Canadian citizen. He and his mother might not have had

papers. After serving in WWII, he got help from one of his officers to file for citizenship. He and his mother became citizens. His dad had a green card or the like but not sure that my dad was here legally. He was a citizen before I was born but under Trump Rules, coming from a liberal country might doom me.

As crazy as this sounds, I felt a chill when Orange opened his mouth today. I can only imagine how people feel whose parents are both immigrants.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:47 PM

16. According to the US Census Bureau, as of 2016, 39% of Texas residents are Hispanic

Although I am uncertain how many of them are eligible to vote, this may not be what Ted Cruz wanted to hear from his President a week before the election. It is possible that whilst attempting to energize his base to vote, he may have just rallied the Hispanic voter base to vote against him.

It has been a pleasure to watch Beto O'Rourke run his campaign, even though I thought his chances were slim.

Perhaps this will change things a bit.

Perhaps Trump has just turned nearly 20% of the US population against the GOP for a generation, and if this results in Texas turning blue, the GOP may have lost the Presidency for the foreseeable future.

It will be up to the Democratic party to ensure that Hispanics can - and do - all vote.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:54 PM

18. Trump and his kids were born to immigrant mothers

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 02:31 PM

25. This would disqualify the entire Trump clan except for Tiffany.

I don't think anyone's talking about attacking those with one citizen parent and one noncitizen parent, like Ted Cruz. But most of Trump's kids have immigrant mothers, and their father also has an immigrant mother, and his father had two immigrant parents. Without birthright citizenship, Fred the klansman would have been a noncitizen, so unless he managed to become naturalized as an adult before he got married, hooking up with a Scotswoman would have left Donald, Don Jr, Ivanka, Eric, and Barron all high and dry.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 01:24 AM

20. Same situation here except my dad didn't have a Green Card and lied to get a SS

card instead. It turned out that he became a nice asset for his company so when they found out about his status they pulled strings and got him a green card (He was Canadian too).

He then went on to become a US citizen.

I asked my mother why they didn't try and fix the situation before that and she said that they were so frightened and they didn't know what to do. Neither of them had any formal education past high school.

Don't worry about that sick fuck. I bet there are millions of us around.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:05 PM

30. Voters at risk of citizenship cancellation should know this

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:52 AM

21. I am an immigrant and he already tried to strip me

of my naturalized citizenship

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:36 PM

29. OMG!

What happened?

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #29)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 06:45 PM

32. my wife and I were going to work in a refugee camp in Greece this summer

I was put on the no-fly list and then had my naturalization challeneged. In 1988 I was charged with inciting a riot at the Tacoma appearance of George Bush Sr as he campaigned for Pres. They dropped the charges after we dropped a law suit (we were roughed up by the republican security force) he had to leave 17 minutes early and since then a repub nominee for pres hasn't campaigned in the city limits of Tacoma. I also did the same thing with Rick Santorum. I have been protesting all my life, so I have a record and they used that to put me on the no fly. I also had to get an attorney and appear before a panel to sort out mny naturalization. I have been in and out of the country 54 times since I first came here. They had the results of my citizenship test, my natualization papers, and the listing of each airport and date I came in and out of the US. It was all bullshit to mess with me. Lately I have been very front and center in the immigration struggle, protesting at the NWDC and stopping busses from leaving to round up immigrants. So I am off the no fly and I am also ok with the citizenship stuff. In fact my wife and I are going to be in G=Frankfurt for the first time as an adult during Christmas time in a few weeks and then I am going on to Africa to sing for a funeral for a dear friend in Eritrea

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #32)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:09 PM

43. What an interesting and inspiring example of dissent you have laid down.

Be safe out there.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #43)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 11:42 PM

45. thank you, you're very kind

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 11:01 AM

22. He's feeding those that say they are referring to

people with their "anchor babies". Trust me, my sister spews that shit and has for years. She's a total trumper.

If your Dad was a legal green card holder, she doesn't mean you and your family. She's talking about the undocumented ones.

I know I was cautious at first because my spouse is a naturalized citizen and I figure 45 will go after them too because of "chain migration" which is his whole freaking family.
Hugs.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 12:30 PM

23. What about your mom? If she was a US citizen, you're just fine. My mom was a Canadian

and had a green card, my dad was a US citizen, and they were legally married, so we're both OK. Don't let the Orange Asshole freak you out.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 01:53 PM

24. USA citizen

For the first time ever, I don't feel safe in my country!!! I was born here to parents that were citizens and had lived here their whole lives. But.......I am vulnerable - I am an older citizen and a woman and I am a Democrat!!!Three strikes against me. Am I safe in my country. DJT could just start ranting his vicious nonsense against me and other like me, and could incite some other 'nut job' to do his dastardly deed. I wish that big mouth would do all of us a huge favor and just Shut the Hell up!!! If he and his family like N. Korea , Saudi Arabia and others why don't all of them just move to those countries?

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:15 PM

26. You're grandfathered in. No worries. nt

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 03:33 PM

28. He wants everyone out of the country who doesn't like him.

So much hatred, mixed with cheeseburgers, ice cream, shakes, fries, for one large package of mottled skin to contain.

Don't feel isolated. He hopes for everyone who doesn't support him to feel endangered, and alienated. That's a whole lot of people he's trying to scare.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:05 PM

31. I guess me too - my mother was Canadian. On the other hand, Canada has no qualms about..

....considering both of us Canadian citizens.

O Canada!

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Response to George II (Reply #31)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 07:45 PM

34. since the law was changed in 2009, that is so.

"Lost Canadians" became a "thing". I'm actually in the process of getting my certificate of citizenship now. I'm a dual.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #34)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 08:08 PM

36. The original law was passed in 1946 and has been amended and/or replaced several times since then...

....the last time in 2009.

Initially it applied to anyone born after 1947, granting citizenship to people born outside the country with at least one Canadian parent.

I was born in in NYC in 1948. I never bothered to look into all the changes over the years since they didn't affect me. The curious thing is that I'm one of six, two were born before 1947 so they are not Canadian citizens, four of us were born after 1947 and are Canadian citizens.

Now here's an interesting family twist - my mother was born in Ontario, my grandparents moved to NYC when she was a little girl. While in NYC my grandparents had another son and daughter, who were "birthright" immigrants. Years later they all moved back to Toronto to settle for good, but my mother, being 18 and settled in, stayed in NYC. So she was living in the US and was Canadian, her two younger siblings wound up living in Canada the rest of their lives (one is still alive) and are US citizens. My mother became a naturalized US citizen in the 1960s.

I only heard about the law a few years ago, looked into applying for my Certificate of Citizenship, but at the time being in my late 60s it was too involved for what little benefit it was, so didn't bother. Had I known about this when I was in my 40s or younger I would have followed through. Who knows, there would have been a good chance of moving up there decades ago!

Here's a good summary of the law and it's changes over the years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_nationality_law

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Response to George II (Reply #36)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 08:26 PM

37. Do it.

You need a certified copy of your Canadian-born parent birth certificate (obtainable by mail from the LOVELY people at the Ontario Archives. $22. ) It is very swift process.

Also a certified copy of your own birth certificate.

A photo ID photocopy

A passport quality photo.

You fill out the questionnaire. I'll send you the link if you wish.

Mail to Ottowa with $75.

Bingo. They send you the certificate of citizenship.

Then you also could get a Canadian passport if you want.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 07:17 PM

33. me too.

my mother died, at 25, before becoming a citizen. But nobody but Trump has ever made me feel alien.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 07:56 PM

35. Not as long as my vote, and the ones I've encouraged to stop this madness count.

I believe that enough millions of voting citizens will effectively restrain this xenophobia, counter the compounded lies and put old Grandpa toothless's choice for a nation's leader back in the angry Fox led box this debacle of a pResidency has been all along.
Because if it doesn't by the next two election cycles, millions of us will be accompanying you as immigrants to leave this land to the well armed nutjob haters and xenophobes. It will mean our democracy has been sold to the most hateful, greedy bidders and there soon after be nothing left to immigrate or remain here for.
Keep the faith brother. There are enough voters with enough brain cells left to stop this insanity.

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #35)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 08:44 PM

38. In 1775, my father's family fled NY Colony for Canada.

Being named a common surname, my 3rd gr grandfather who was a double agent of some kind was held first by the British and then by the Patriots (Canadians call them Rebels, of course). He was imprisoned in shackles on both a frigate in the North River and also by the other side. He was ordered to leave NY within two days or be hanged. He went home to settle his family and his 1,113 acres and sawmill -- forced to abandon the properties. When the militia came back his wife lied, saying he had gone. BUT....she had nailed him into a pine box with a jug of milk for sustenance and he was there in the house, ready to be loaded on the wagon that would transport her through the lines. That's how he fled. Leaving worldly goods behind. He had been witnessed helping a Tory neighbor's family; that was his offense. So the family went to Canada, settling as the first white settlers in an area called Long Point Ontario. That was 1775. In 1932, my grandfather emigrated to the States, returning with his wife and grown children to the U.S. after trying the art of "dry farming" on a Saskatchewan homestead.

So....Canada provided refuge for my family once. And I am grateful for that.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #38)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 08:48 PM

39. I actually feel a little guilty about him being considered a traitor to the Revolution at times.

But I have PLENTY of other ancestors who were Rev War patriot soldiers, as well as a signer of the Declaration of Independence.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 1, 2018, 02:17 AM

47. Guilt goes to rest, consider that you probably would have to have been there, then.

To fully appreciate the individual situations that lead to expatriation.
My own possible expatriation would be unprecedented in my line, 6th generation son of 1800's Oregon settlers, who moved back to the midwest when more of the family came from England. I must admit my actual choice at retirement age may be south of the border, possibly far south, hopefully teaching English for food and a bed, share my retirement SSI.
Unless the Republicans legislatively steal that too.
This election, I believe stands as litmus test and harbinger of salvation for both of us. I lost everything to a 2012 pre-ACA health disaster, severe trauma requiring a baker's dozen surgeries to correct. I continue to work, but it's hard with some physical limitations. At 62 I'm done, and if these idiotic tarriffs cause runaway inflation as predicted, it's what is likely to make the U.S. a place to leave behind for many of us.
Canada's climate is a bit cold for my bones.
Because living at the rest stops and desert camps in an RV starving on dollar store canned food doesn't appeal to me.
But thanks to pre-ACA "pre-existing conditions" exemptions that took every last retirement dollar I had,till I recovered from my care credit debt, I'll never be able to stop working till I'm dead.
Yo hablo espanol e eu falo poco portugues. Might as well make use of it either somewhere near the border where I'll start or beyond.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:27 PM

41. He'd have to deport his own kids, right?

Not gonna happen. You're safe!

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 1, 2018, 07:08 AM

50. And his two sisters and brother. They were born before his mother became a naturalized citizen.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 09:30 PM

42. This is a direct threat to my family...

... a shot fired across the bow. I've told a few of my fam that this was the direction the deplorables were headed in. They are going to have to move beyond denial now.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 10:54 PM

44. If one citizen is in danger,

we are all in danger. That's the only way to realistically look at it.

My son in law is a naturalized citizen from Iran. If they come for him they will have to go through me. I will fight for him the same as I will fight for myself.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 1, 2018, 06:03 AM

48. I am reminded of a bit from the film and play A Man For All Seasons

Richard Rich has just run off, and it is certain that he is going to inform on Sir Thomas More to More's political enemies.

Lady Alice (More's wife): Arrest him!

More: Why, what has he done?

Margaret (More's daughter): He's bad!

More: There is no law against that.

Will Roper (More's son-in-law): There is! God's law!

More: Then God can arrest him.

Lady Alice: While you talk, he's gone!

More: And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke the law!

Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast- man's laws, not God's -- and if you cut them down -- and you're just the man to do it -- do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Nov 1, 2018, 08:23 PM

51. It wouldn't be retroactive. What's been done can't be undone. nt

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