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Didn't take long for the shit to hit the fan in Brasil, did it? (Original Post) Blue_Tires Oct 2018 OP
Coming soon to a school near you. Va Lefty Oct 2018 #1
Coming to a Country near you.......... Bengus81 Oct 2018 #38
trump's new BFF spanone Oct 2018 #2
Not just a BFF, Trump has been sending strategic support: Blue_Tires Oct 2018 #10
'we share the same worldview' Jesus. spanone Oct 2018 #13
Keep your powder dry, lads and ladies. olegramps Oct 2018 #20
would that be the worldview NJCher Oct 2018 #52
"Cultural Marxism" code for Jewish Caliman73 Oct 2018 #19
When I heard on the news that this guy won BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #56
Horrible situation. Freedom of expression, civil rights and the Amazon rain forest will soon be gone dameatball Oct 2018 #3
The sad thing is they boiled this election down to money. Initech Oct 2018 #8
The point is, we're screwed. RVN VET71 Oct 2018 #26
Yeah, this feels like pretty much the final nail in the earth's coffin. Neema Oct 2018 #61
Why do you think the .01% is interested in Mars? cagefreesoylentgreen Oct 2018 #71
holy shit NatBurner Oct 2018 #4
Uh-oh...I wonder if Glenn Greenwald is there right now. MineralMan Oct 2018 #5
already has..... spanone Oct 2018 #9
I'm not surprised. MineralMan Oct 2018 #12
Here is what Greenwald wrote this past month Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2018 #24
OMG! ploppy Oct 2018 #6
What is frightening is how quickly this can happen once fascists are solidly ensconced in the smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #7
It's already happening here. Johnny2X2X Oct 2018 #16
In 9 days, we will all see how far gone America is... Moostache Oct 2018 #44
I wish I didn't agree with you lisby Oct 2018 #59
the character of our country is on the ballot. mopinko Oct 2018 #62
This article is disturbing. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #22
++Sure is lunasun Oct 2018 #32
That is really scary. smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #39
If we get the house, 🌋. If we do not, 🌋. sprinkleeninow Oct 2018 #43
back to the bad old days for Brazil ProfessorPlum Oct 2018 #11
The whole fucking world is going fascist. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #14
Because right now, Fascist are providing irrational, yet comforting arguments to scared people. Blue_true Oct 2018 #60
omg I am so afraid for them. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #15
There will be a revolution in Brazil soon. Watch. triron Oct 2018 #17
Yeah, this guy likely will not finish out his term. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #21
May some harm come to him. roamer65 Oct 2018 #25
I am going to assume that you mean political harm, rather than physical. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #27
This man advocates genocide against minorities, leftists, LGBTQ and indigenous peoples. roamer65 Oct 2018 #30
Indeed. The far righters tell us to die... ck4829 Oct 2018 #53
How long can we only mean "political harm"? maxrandb Oct 2018 #65
this belongs on the greatest page DBoon Oct 2018 #18
K&R for Attention genxlib Oct 2018 #23
This happened a couple of days before the election... a la izquierda Oct 2018 #28
Wow, they have a lot of universities lame54 Oct 2018 #29
It's the age of super-specialization. Buns_of_Fire Oct 2018 #34
Not really. There are that many just in the Minneapolis St. Paul MineralMan Oct 2018 #35
It's a joke lame54 Oct 2018 #36
Oh. I guess I don't find much humor in situations where MineralMan Oct 2018 #37
I have been waiting for the book burning ceremonies to begin. Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #66
USA Please note lunasun Oct 2018 #31
How could a nation be so stupid? Oneironaut Oct 2018 #33
Wake up and smell Fascism rising, Americans! appalachiablue Oct 2018 #40
Wow that was fast. dewsgirl Oct 2018 #41
The same thing happened in Chile watoos Oct 2018 #42
Pinochet was gone by 1990 FakeNoose Oct 2018 #64
It is now too late for Brazil. PatrickforO Oct 2018 #45
Take note, America nolabear Oct 2018 #46
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Oct 2018 #47
I'd bet Agent Orange Chaos is revelling in this and telling his staff he wants to do the same. lark Oct 2018 #48
It looks like you and I had roughly the same thought at roughly the same time. Buns_of_Fire Oct 2018 #54
And you can bet that Rump and his house nazi, Miller, are paying close attention. Buns_of_Fire Oct 2018 #49
knr triron Oct 2018 #50
Disturbing ck4829 Oct 2018 #51
GOTV on 11/6/18 or this will be in the USA. muntrv Oct 2018 #55
Going full Nazi at the start matt819 Oct 2018 #57
You can see their future by what they are banning ThoughtCriminal Oct 2018 #58
How's Glenn Greenwald doing? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 #63
Jair Bolsonaro Controversial Views, Up Close & Very Ugly appalachiablue Oct 2018 #67
Shit (Aretha gif) uponit7771 Oct 2018 #68
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #76
What the hell is wrong with our world? jimlup Oct 2018 #69
Cratered my day Mersky Oct 2018 #70
What is happening to our world? Totally Tunsie Oct 2018 #72
The fucking evangelicals there can shoulder a lot of the blame just like here. BigDemVoter Oct 2018 #73
Fascist move: destroy any opposing history Crash2Parties Oct 2018 #74
I think you probably could have a point. "Christians" have been destroying history for centuries, Judi Lynn Nov 2018 #75
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #77

spanone

(135,795 posts)
2. trump's new BFF
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:31 PM
Oct 2018


Had a very good conversation with the newly elected President of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro, who won his race by a substantial margin. We agreed that Brazil and the United States will work closely together on Trade, Military and everything else! Excellent call, wished him congrats!

Caliman73

(11,726 posts)
19. "Cultural Marxism" code for Jewish
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:55 PM
Oct 2018

You hear the term "Cultural Marxism" discussed a great deal in White Supremacist circles. Cultural Marxism, Cultural Bolshevism, and Internationalism are all terms that those groups use to discuss the influence of Jews on the world (obviously not in a good way).

Jordan Peterson, the idiot Canadian psychologist who is a darling of the right, has been throwing the terms around a lot in his speeches on how Hitler wasn't really about White Supremacy, but just a guy with OCD who needed to eradicate "filth". He talks about Cultural NeoMarxism and how "the West" is under attack. Marx was German, isn't Germany "the West"?

BigmanPigman

(51,569 posts)
56. When I heard on the news that this guy won
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 02:39 PM
Oct 2018

and what his ideology is I said, "Bannon must be thrilled...another country goes fascist". I didn't know whether they actually knew one another. This post was verification. Aren't those two lovely?

dameatball

(7,395 posts)
3. Horrible situation. Freedom of expression, civil rights and the Amazon rain forest will soon be gone
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:31 PM
Oct 2018

The rain forest is not entirely in Brazil but you get the point.

Initech

(100,043 posts)
8. The sad thing is they boiled this election down to money.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:39 PM
Oct 2018

Some things are far more important than money, like wanting to live without fear, freedom of expression, and preserving natural resources. To me that's far more important than money.

RVN VET71

(2,689 posts)
26. The point is, we're screwed.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:15 PM
Oct 2018

The rain forests are important -- necessary -- vital -- sine qua non for work the ecological health of the world. As Brazil and its fascist government burn them down, every living creature in the world will suffer.

Steve Bannon? Is he planning on moving to the Moon to get away from the destruction he so fervently seeks to wreak on a hapless planet?

Neema

(1,151 posts)
61. Yeah, this feels like pretty much the final nail in the earth's coffin.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 05:01 PM
Oct 2018

We may have already passed the point of no return, but as soon as the Amazonian rainforest is gone we're done.

71. Why do you think the .01% is interested in Mars?
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 02:42 AM
Oct 2018

People like Elon Musk and others aren’t pushing Mars exploration and colonization for the good of humanity. Notice their timetable? By the end of the 2040s when environmental degradation really hits the fan.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
5. Uh-oh...I wonder if Glenn Greenwald is there right now.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:32 PM
Oct 2018

He'll need to keep his head down, if so.

Trump, no doubt, will congratulate the new government and seek to emulate it.

spanone

(135,795 posts)
9. already has.....
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:40 PM
Oct 2018

Had a very good conversation with the newly elected President of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro, who won his race by a substantial margin. We agreed that Brazil and the United States will work closely together on Trade, Military and everything else! Excellent call, wished him congrats!


 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
7. What is frightening is how quickly this can happen once fascists are solidly ensconced in the
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:37 PM
Oct 2018

government. It creeps until they have a firm hold on everything and then it's like a tidal wave. This is what scares me about what can happen in this country if we don't challenge the power of Trump and the Republicans.

Johnny2X2X

(18,973 posts)
16. It's already happening here.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:45 PM
Oct 2018

Trump is prepared to use the full power of the Federal Government to get himself reelected.

Nothing is off limits.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
44. In 9 days, we will all see how far gone America is...
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 02:00 PM
Oct 2018

The mid-terms are going to be challenged and the validity of the vote questioned in a dry run for 2020. There is no doubt in my mind that Trump has no intention of EVER leaving office...he plans to die in office and leave the government to Ivanka...about the only part of his plan I can abide is the die in office part if he means today or tomorrow only.

Shit's about to get real for a lot of people real soon now...predicted test cases? Texas senate. Georgia governor. North Dakota senate. Hope I am wrong, but I got a real bad feeling about this...

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
22. This article is disturbing.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:09 PM
Oct 2018
Fintan O’Toole: Trial runs for fascism are in full flow
Babies in cages were no ‘mistake’ by Trump but test-marketing for barbarism
Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 05:00

Fintan O'Toole

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375?fbclid=IwAR3w_rDBBj2L5XpCpf3OMSf2oX_j3nm0eR5F9yY2w4amdkvqKgnAUvEo2SA

snip...

Fascism doesn’t arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it.

One of the basic tools of fascism is the rigging of elections – we’ve seen that trialled in the election of Trump, in the Brexit referendum and (less successfully) in the French presidential elections. Another is the generation of tribal identities, the division of society into mutually exclusive polarities. Fascism does not need a majority – it typically comes to power with about 40 per cent support and then uses control and intimidation to consolidate that power. So it doesn’t matter if most people hate you, as long as your 40 per cent is fanatically committed. That’s been tested out too. And fascism of course needs a propaganda machine so effective that it creates for its followers a universe of “alternative facts” impervious to unwanted realities. Again, the testing for this is very far advanced.


His numbers have been steady upper 30's, low 40's. He is emboldened. No one has stopped him. His cult is emboldened. I see even more violence after November, no matter who wins the House. They are poor winners & even worse losers. I'd bet money that there will be a Constitutional crisis after the election. We are on a precipice & could topple either way.

on edit: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211338417
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
39. That is really scary.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:45 PM
Oct 2018

We are pretty much already there. I am really worried about the elections. Because even if we win, I have a feeling something horrible is going to come out of it. That is just how insane they are.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
14. The whole fucking world is going fascist.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 12:43 PM
Oct 2018

The only explanation I have is that people are scared. As a collective, we see what's coming, in spite of the deniers. Climate change is going to change everything forever. Wait until the southern regions of the US becomes uninhabitable & we have our own citizens migrating north. It won't matter if they're white, then. It's gonna get ugly.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
60. Because right now, Fascist are providing irrational, yet comforting arguments to scared people.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 04:40 PM
Oct 2018

People hate to believe that their choices are the blame for their problems. They want to blame someone else, immigrants taking their jobs (patently untrue), racial minorities getting special favors, women demanding equal treatment.

Fascists point the finger at the invisible boogieman and scared voters jump up and down saying yes.

Expect an late seventies and early eighties wave of immigrants out of Brazil heading for saner places. Brazil will go down faster than Venezuela because it does not have the large oil reserves.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
21. Yeah, this guy likely will not finish out his term.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:09 PM
Oct 2018

Brazil's political situation is a massive shitshow, and their leaders haven't been lasting longer than two years, lately. Hopefully, they'll come to their senses long before then, and oust this asshole before he does too much damage.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
30. This man advocates genocide against minorities, leftists, LGBTQ and indigenous peoples.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:20 PM
Oct 2018

If you live by the sword, you shall indeed die by it.

God be with the Brazilian people.

ck4829

(35,039 posts)
53. Indeed. The far righters tell us to die...
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 02:18 PM
Oct 2018

Yet we express one tenth of the vitriol they have for us at them, it's taking it too far.

maxrandb

(15,298 posts)
65. How long can we only mean "political harm"?
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 09:00 PM
Oct 2018

When bombs actually go off? Is that when we move beyond "political harm"?

When Innocents are gunned down in houses of worship? Is that when we move beyond "political harm"?

America better hope that we on the left never get to the point the right has been for 40 frickin years, but how much are we supposed to take?

I'm not willing to die while waiting for the "backlash" to the hate.

Quite frankly, I don't see a way to fix this shitshow without getting bloody.

I'm hopeful it won't come to that, but not optimistic.

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
28. This happened a couple of days before the election...
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:18 PM
Oct 2018

but point taken.
I have several friends who are professors and attorneys in Brazil.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,158 posts)
34. It's the age of super-specialization.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:31 PM
Oct 2018

But still, you'd think they could spare a brazilian or two for their old pals to the north.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
35. Not really. There are that many just in the Minneapolis St. Paul
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:33 PM
Oct 2018

metro area of Minnesota. Brasil is a big country. Look at it on a good map.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
37. Oh. I guess I don't find much humor in situations where
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:39 PM
Oct 2018

police are coming to shut down academic freedom, somehow. My bad.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
66. I have been waiting for the book burning ceremonies to begin.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 09:00 PM
Oct 2018

Given trmp's disdain for science, education and intelligence in general, it would not surprise me.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
42. The same thing happened in Chile
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 01:57 PM
Oct 2018

Kissinger and our CIA helped Pinocet. I worked in Chile in 2001 and 2002, I saw the results firsthand.

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
64. Pinochet was gone by 1990
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 08:54 PM
Oct 2018

He had a terrible first term (economy collapsed etc.) and was denied a 2nd term.
I believe Escobar was President of Chile in 2000-06.

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
45. It is now too late for Brazil.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 02:00 PM
Oct 2018

I can imagine the horror of the everyday citizens - those who voted for and those who voted against. Now, the very next day the colleges are taken over, anti-fascist posters are ripped down.

They must be feeling sick now, as the realization dawns they are in for this kind of ride.

lark

(23,065 posts)
48. I'd bet Agent Orange Chaos is revelling in this and telling his staff he wants to do the same.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 02:11 PM
Oct 2018

He's got Miller & Kelly researching how & when they can invade WaPo and CNN to shut them down. He's telling DeVos that WW2 can't be taught in school anymore, too unfavorable to fascists, and will jail anyone who flies the baby blimp or who demonstrates against him or any fascist or racist group.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,158 posts)
54. It looks like you and I had roughly the same thought at roughly the same time.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 02:21 PM
Oct 2018

And I'm sure we're not the only two. The sun in shining outside, but the skies just got a lot darker.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,158 posts)
49. And you can bet that Rump and his house nazi, Miller, are paying close attention.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 02:15 PM
Oct 2018

Studying methods and procedures, calculating whether such-and-such a technique will work in the US, whether the frog-in-the-boiling-water approach is working too slowly and they should just turn the heat up to 11 and be done with it...

matt819

(10,749 posts)
57. Going full Nazi at the start
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 02:45 PM
Oct 2018

Listening to Hitler's Compromises by Nathan Stoltzfus. Just a couple of chapters in. Interesting perspective on Hitler's administration/management of the development of the Third Reich, and the dance toward the Final Solution. I think we're seeing parallels today in the rise of the far right in Europe, the US, and now South America. Will we see a truly genocidal regime evolve today? I don't think so, but I no longer rule anything out.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
69. What the hell is wrong with our world?
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 10:47 PM
Oct 2018

Why is it lurching towards fascism all over the globe?

Are we living in the simulated fascist takeover the planet reality? WTF?

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
70. Cratered my day
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 02:33 AM
Oct 2018

I reworked my schedule for the week so I can represent liberals at a seniors luncheon I attend with my grandma every week. I will wear a Beto shirt to let the 85% republican crowd know exactly how I voted. While they mostly know I'm a democrat, I intend to make it more pronounced this week. I'd like them to truly see me as the liberal they more than tolerate. They like to see my shining face as much as I like to see theirs. Fortunately, my Granny voted all democrat, and I expect she'll approve of my t-shirt.

Basically, I'm not taking this facism acceptance crap lying down... I'm gonna wear democrat t-shirts everyday this week, heck I might dye my hair black and brown tomorrow. Won't be new to me, but it will be new to the conservatives I see every week. Just so they have to question whom won't conform if Trump goes full Brazilian.

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
73. The fucking evangelicals there can shoulder a lot of the blame just like here.
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 02:44 AM
Oct 2018

I don't like bad mouthing ANY religion, but they have given NO reason to give them any respect, whatsoever.

Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
75. I think you probably could have a point. "Christians" have been destroying history for centuries,
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 06:32 AM
Nov 2018

starting in the New World with the arrival of the first invaders, and never ended.

I'm glad I saw your comment. I hadn't thought of it, yet, but it absolutely seems likely.

That's why we know almost nothing at all about the people who populated the Americas prior to the brutal invasions.

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